Geez how hard is it to spell the kid's name? Gholston people, Gholston.
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Geez how hard is it to spell the kid's name? Gholston people, Gholston.
Detroit Cass Tech is our pipeline. Not SE. Michigan just has to ask Wilcher, who (if anyone) looks deserving of being at Michigan, and then they come.
If it is determined that one of our players used a racial slur, even on the field, I would expect our coaching staff to take immediate severe action. I'd say that's just as bad as a punch and a 1 game suspension is in order.
With that being said, there's nothing that indicated that there was any issue with that here.
FWIW, that was a post by a RCMBer speculating about what happened, without any sources. The rumored word is much worse, which is why the threads are rightfully being deleted.
This Tom Gholson seems like a real loose cannon.
I'm glad we didn't land Gholson, he's an ass hole.
/keeping the "Gholson" trend alive
You picked the right school Tom. I wish you the career your wonderful brother has had. Stay real Tom.
So is this actually who Sam is referring to when he says "Tom from EL"? I always thought it was Izzo. Turns out its Tom Gholson.
why do you guys think this story is true? Will gholston said it, and he probably lied.
I really wanted him to come here... Sucks that they called him "Tom" on his visit. What kind of shit is that?
Yeah but it's all fun and dandy until one of Tom has a nephew or niece. Then what?
Don't worry Valenti was all over this on 97.1 insinuating that Lewan was throwing out racial slurs at Gholson and that Lewan derved to get punched...Valenti said so, its true
How did he defend the Denard helmet twist?
I don't know, I was only listening for about 15 minutes around 5:30 when the media started making a racial mountain out of nothing
That name has no place on this blog anymore.
story is totally false. If it makes him mad enough to punch when it is Lewan, what is he going to do when it is Jake Long and every other offensive lineman in the NFL? I know they don't read or anything, right? He may as well change his name now.
calling a black player "Tom" is not racist? Maybe it wasn't used as a racial slur during the game, but I think it was most definitely used as a racial slur when he was first called "Tom" while visiting Ann Arbor. Maybe it's only me, misconstruing the situation, but I find that completely unacceptable.
It is just you, misconstruing the situation. You guessed right.
The word "Tom" is not inherently racist. If you know a guy named "Tim," and you call him "Tom," that's embarassing but in no way racist.
Now, if he had called him "BlackGuy McMinority," THAT would be racist regardless of context.
The word "Tom" isn't inherently racist. However, it took on a racial connotation some 200 years ago. I think it's at least treading a fine line. But we don't know the facts of the situation. We don't know who called him that back when he was being recruited(an actual fan, a host, the coaches, an OSU fan, etc.), we don't know the context of the situation, we don't know who was showing him around, where he was, etc. I feel like discussing racism online can't end well so if someone chooses to respond to this, respond like the original repliers to my comment.
Yeah, but who cares if you're racist to the Irish....
Jump on the everything is racist bandwagon often?
If a white player were going to make a racial slur, I have a hard time believing it would be to call a black player from the inner city who was raised by a guardian an Uncle Tom. Uncle Tom is a pejorative, ususally used by african americans against other african americans whom they perceive as being too "white."
Just not seeing it here.
"Uncle Tom is a derogatory term for a person who perceives themselves to be of low status, and is excessively subservient to perceived authority figures; particularly a black person who behaves in a subservient manner to white people."
Uncle Tom is what black people call other black people who don't act black enough. It isn't really that tough.
Denard hurled a racial epithet too.
The attack by anyone on Lewan is unfair, and character assassination. Unlike Gholston's antics, which we can see on tape, no one can prove or disprove the racial commentary claim. It is unfair, to say the least.
I actually appreciate it when guys post rumors such as these. I saw the original post, and it didn't really affect my view of Lewan or Gholston, one way or another. And I didn't fell the need to even ask what I thought the odds were that it was true.
Of course, that view comes with the big time caveat that it be described as "This is what is being said at place X. I don't know if it's true, etc."
Now, I understand that the mods might want to avoid any appearance of participating in rumors. There is, however, an analogue in financial markets. You get in trouble if you spread rumors, especially if you profit from its spread. On the other hand, internally to the firm, it might be appropriate to point out that there's a rumor in the markets of X in order to understand some price action. It happens a lot.
If you wanted to lock the thread in order for it not to spiral out of control, then I guess there's some need for a way to update it that makes it hard.
Anyway, that's my 2 cents.
But it depends on the rumor. The thread "Rumor: Denard to start over Tate" may stand on flimsy evidence, whereas the thread "Rumor: CRAIG JAMES KILLED FIVE HOOKERS WHILE AT SMU" might not.
Claims of racial slurs can follow a guy for years, so we won't help in the effort.
Calling him Tom as in a reference to Uncle Tom just doesn't make any sense. So unless Lewan is just that stupid, I don't think it happened.
WE GAINED LEST THAN THREEVE YARDS PER KARI THIS WEAK!!! TOM LEWAN STOPPED BLOCKING FOR HIS DENARDS AND RUNNINGS BECAUSE HE AM RACIST NOW!!
Once again, nothing indicates that Lewan did anything wrong. I'm just trying to shoot down these very poor logical arguments.
Funny Gholston uses the phrase, "neck and neck" to describe his recruitment.
Oh wait, that's not funny.
racial tensions on the team. Look at the times when Denard has scored, and should be happy. What does he do? He attacks Lewan, jumping on him, and Lewan is forced to hold Denard up in the air to protect himself.
Rumors have surfaced that Taylor Lewan regularly abuses black men. He recently picked up one much smaller black man and refused to put him down.
how do you jump from committing to the cross-state rival out of spite to punching people in the face or trying to wring a quarterback's neck after the whistle blows?
I'll wait for your response Tom.
The last thing we need is a guy who flies off the handle when someone calls him a name. Looks to me like there are going to be a lot more 15 yarders coming Tom's way if he can't handle a little name calling. Might as well start calling Jerel Worth ... Jerry. Then they can be Tom and Jerry.
Lewan is going to call an opposing player a racial slur when he has several teammates who are of the same race?
Genius. That's ironclad logic.
All standing more or less next to Taylor Lewan as he spews racial epthets?
is what I will call him for the rest of his career. I hope everyone starts doing it
Is it possible for us as a group to circle back and determine what role Drew Sharp had in the abortive development of this ridiculous and insulting "story"?
Flufff from State News last week is the mention about being called "Tom" I think they're referring to:
Gholston said he was very close to choosing Michigan and had offers from top programs such as Alabama, Oklahoma and USC.
However, he went with the team coming off a 6-7 season.
He credited the coaching staff, especially MSU head coach Mark Dantonio, for being straightforward and getting his name right — something the Michigan coaches failed to do, calling the five-star recruit “Tom” — but went back to his grandmother as a main influence on his decision. “(She) was definitely a big deal,” he said. “(She’s) why I liked Michigan and Michigan State.”
I don't know if it's true, but I guess he said it.
...what I am gathering is that Gholston mentioned to his circle of friends or other confidantes that Lewan was calling him "Tom" during the game. And that either one of that circle of friends, or perhaps even Sharp himself, mistook that name for the old-fashioned racial derogation ("Uncle Tom"). And that (Did Sharp really do this? did he do it and then take it down?) Sharp then blogged about Lewan using a [non-specified?] racial epithet as a precusor to the punching incident. (Sort begs the question about Gohlston trying to tear Denard Robinson's head off, but whateva.) And the interwebz being what they are, the story quickly morped into Lewan somehow using the "N" word.* It was false; a slur on Lewan.
So naturally I am looking for confirmation as to whether this episode of acute malignant journalistic malpractice can be attributed to Sharp. Hopefully it can. If not, let's help further kill it right here and right now.
*Be advised; never use the word if at all possible. If you use it, be fully prepared for the consequences which may be beyond your control. There are only a very few poeple, including Spike Lee and Braylon Edwards, who are permitted use of the word under ordinary circumstances.
Not doing anything to dispel the "inferiority complex" rap.... Tom
well now we know what the student section will be chanting next year...
I agree that what Gholston did is completely deserving of a two game suspension but I really think that everyone is overreacting and taking this too far. What he did to Denard was pathetic and in my eyes, by far the worst thing he did. Punching Lewan was not that bad at all. If we remove our biased for our players, Lewan clearly pushes Gholstons head into the ground while hes down, (we were lucky that wasn't called because that is clearly a personal foul) and then Gholston gets up and punches him. We need to stop pretending that he was trying to kill Lewan or something. Lewan was wrong and Gholston reacted very stupidly but to call him a thug and talk about how stupid he is, is unfortunate and frankly, hypocritical. I dont believe that people on this board were callin Jonas a thug and stupid for punching another player or Greg Mathews when he kicked the Oregon player or punched the Florida player. Things like that happen and I agree its unacceptable and he should be suspended but too many people are making this into more than it is. The far bigger play is the helmet pull. Thats far worse and more likely to cause injury than a punch.
Secondly, while I dont believe that Lewan called him 'Tom' in a racist way by any means (if he even called him that), a white guy calling a black player 'Tom' is always going to be taken that way when it clearly isnt his name. I dont believe that Lewan would call him that at all but using the "he plays with african americans" as a reason why doesnt help defend him, it looks stupid. All division teams are going to have african americans, more than likely are going to be a majority black. Using that as proof isn't logical. (see Buck Burnette, Bill Romanowski, etc) I think mentioning this story and getting it out would go a much farther way to clearing the young mans name.
1st off, pushing someone's head into the ground isn't a personal foul. There is also a reason you get suspended a game for punching someone and nothing if you push someone's head into the ground. I am guessing you have never been punched in the neck. It hurts. A lot.
Second, a white guy calling a black guy "Tom" isn't going to be taken in a racial way unless you are dumb. It doesn't even make sense in a racial way. There are plenty of racist comments Lewan could have made towards Gholston, with one name being pretty obvious. Anyone thinking this is racist doesn't know what it means.
Are you forgetting that he tried to break Lewan's arm earlier in the game? An isolated punch in the heat of battle is one thing. A series of cheap shots is thuggery.
glad you opted to be a Spartan.