at least it's not just us?
"Unless their parents are Spartans, kids in this state naturally become Michigan fans."
I don't necessarily agree with that generalization.
For the most part, you're probably right but I have several friends in the Fowlerville and Webberville area that are Spartan fans but didn't go to State.
Still, +1 for you sir!
I'm not sure who's worse between Valenti and Caputo.
Valenti = Blowhard for the sake of being a blowhard.
Caputo = Can't form a sentence or coherent thought.
But I do know they but suck...
I grew up in Clarkston and kids in my class were split pretty much 50/50, including ones whose parents went elsewhere than UM or MSU.
and sounds like he should have been a mortician because most of his opinions you can bury.
Uhhh...does he not know where the Tigers' AAA affiliate is?
I am also sick of hearing that argument. MSU slappies love to call us arrogant, but I never hear Michigan alumni (and I am one) criticize non alumni for cheering for the team. Not every spartan fan went to state, but I don't remember him making that point.
Pat Caputo just is an embarrassment all the way around no matter how you look at it. Very nice letter.
Why do you accuse him of the generalization over MSU being the team of the working man, then insult the shit out of Sparties by saying the only people who root for them had parents that went there?
Then there's THIS beautiful display of objectivity: "I still would have enough respect for other people, though, to respect their choice of team to root for"--But Michigan kids don't root for Sparty unless their parents went there.
And lets' not stop there: "It's hard to admit someone who chose differently than you could have a valid reason."--But Michigan kids don't root for Sparty unless their parents went there.
And let's close with this: "you're taking Spartan rhetoric about Michigan arrogance and treating it like fact"--However true that may be, you have laced your letter with rhetoric that YOU accept as "fact."
You graduated from Michigan? Really? Is that where you learned to be a hypocrite? Is that where you learned to write self contradictory letters that Pat Caputo will now be able to use as fodder when he chooses to ridicule Michigan fans?
This is an exercise in futility for two reasons: #1--Caputo gets what he is after. One letter represents X number of listeners (probably a couple hundred)--if he got 10 or 20 replies like this, he knows we're listening and will continue to do so. #2: It's completely self defeating with the contradictions and hypocrisy.
I think you are constantly PMS'ing.
No need for a character assassination. Not cool.
Quite neg banging this guy. He is talking to me, not uniqnam.
Thanks in advance!
Dude, seriously, get a life. Find a girlfriend. Experiment with dangerous narcotics. Join PETA. Something.
Also, when you dignify stupidity with an argument, you tend to also look stupid.
Pat Cupito sucks.
"if some Michigan-born man chose the Buckeyes, I wouldn't treat him any different than any other Ohio State fan."
I have Michigan-born friends that somehow chose to become Buckeye fans and I think far less of them for being so than I do for those who live in Ohio or went to Ohio State, at least those people have an excuse.
You think less of someone because of their choice of FOOTBALL team? Wow.
However, I do tend to listen, to get scores and interviews and such, on Saturday afternoons and evenings after football games.
And from a number of years' experience, I know that this week (M-MSU) is a hard one for Pat Caputo. He's got psychosocial issues with this rivalry. Therapy is probably his best option. Yes, he is relentlessly antagonistic. But he doesn't seem to know it, and/or can't help himself.
I've never once heard any real Michigan man ever use the term "Walmart Wolverine." The term was invented by Michigan haters, to ridicule the large number of non-alumni fans of Michigan football. It was an epithet, to match the "Subway Alum" term commonly used with Notre Dame. ('Walmart Wolverine = one whose only connection to Michigan is the gear he bought at Walmart.')
Now, in the internet era, the term "Walmart Wolverine" has been largely stripped of all rational connection with anything. Michigan-haters use the term "Walmart Wolverine" as a general insult without regard to the term's origin or meaning. Most of the people typing "Walmart Wolverine" onto their message boards have no idea what it is or why it is they using that term at all. At its root, the term isn't an insult to Michigan alumni at all.
Michigan fans didn't invent the term; they don't use the term; and Michigan fans and supporters aren't guilty of the pervasive gross misuse of the term in the internet age.
Anyway, I liked the OP's letter to Pat Caputo. I think Caputo actually does read mail like that. He's certainly got issues, but I get the vague impression that he is a guy with a conscience, too.
I always thought the term "subway alums" meant Notre Dame alums living in NYC, which would seem to be a common destination for many ND alums, as I know it is for many U of M alums and alums from all manner of universities. As I just completely wrong here? I'm curious.
Personally, I had always presumed that all the non-alum ND fans riding the subways in Chicago, not New York, were the root of the expression.
Same thing only different, I guess.
was originally coined in NYC to refer to Notre Dame fans who did not attend the school, but its usage has spread nationwide.
"YOU BLOW", anyone else remember that Caputo sound bite the Fan used to play? It was hilarious, Pat had called into the Radio Station from his car to berate a caller who said, "Caputo Blows".
Ahh yes, I miss those days of Stony and Wojo
Writer for the Oakland Press, who spends many a night on WXYT, talking sports. You should call him "The Book", if you want to be cool
"The Book"...he's more like a sticky note.
I think you wasted your time. First, my guess is that that he didn't read it, or just counted it as a Michigan fan he got a response from.
There are a number of guys in the Detroit sports radio scene who, frankly, have little to say. They get through their shows by trying to piss people off and getting them to call in. They then try to claim that makes them "controversial." Caputo is one of these guys, Drew Sharp is another. Pat is sometimes good on baseball, on anything else he is useless.
My suggestion is to turn the channel.
I heard the whole thing.
Caputo made the first WMW comment to a caller who was being an ignorant Michigan slappy, and he took a flyer and guessed correctly that it was not an alum.
A few more calls ensued.
Then someone called and pointed out that they were a Michigan fan, not because they graduated, but because of spinal surgery at UM hospital that basically saved his life. There was a pause, they went to break, and no more WMW comments.
It's radio, people. Most experienced hosts will try to stir things up a bit and get a caller riled, particularly one who is spewing partisan crap about a rival without any point or logic.
I think that thin-skinned Michigan grads are worse than the sarcastic Spartys. Why?
Because UM grads should know better...
This quote just made me very happy as I sit at my computer at work.
Wasn't he included with Kyle Orton in the trade for Jay Cutler?
you can't be a fan of UofM unless you went there........but we at Michigan State are the working man's team........even though the working man probably didn't go to State.
Who is Pat Caputo anyway?
wouldn't the working man be more likely to shop at Wal-Mart?
This whole Caputo argument is convoluted.
I liked your letter, but I'm 99% sure Pat responds by searching your name on the UM directory.
College football at all levels is a marketing tool used by schools to bind their alumni and students closer to the school as well as attract interest to their university. Like it or not, universities are a business. They have to find ways to attract customers(i.e: students). That is what college football and basketball have become for schools.
I went to EMU. They would dearly love the "Wal Mart Wolverines" and "Save More Spartans" to transfer their loyalty to EMU. Any school would.It generates alot of money and attention to their school. That would be a boon no school would pass up.
Cuputo also seems to ignore Izzo's attempt at making MSU "Michigan's team" during their FF run as well as the outline of the state that is currently on the back of MSU's helmet. His Alma Mater is blatantly reaching out to those he and other Spartan fans are insulting.
Cuputo is an excellant baseball reporter, but that's about it. He is a hypocritical windbag.
After all these years is their any other family acceptable term for him? Inarticulate, confused, not too bright. He had a show years ago on DFN in the morning with Mark Wilson, a genuinely witty man. I thought Caputo was pretty good but subsequent iterations of him on radio convinced me that Wilson carried his sorry untalented ass. If the man had any talent he would have graduated from the Oakland Press to at least a Detroit daily. After all, even a hack like Rosenberg can get a job with the Freep.
Funny thing. Over the summer when I was driving to and from Flint, I tuned in to the show to hear Caputo make Weis fat jokes. Not trying to point anything out here... but really?