I believe it's called a pooch punt. And it is a very common strategy between the opponents 50 and 30 yard line
Let's talk drunk strategy: purposely duff a punt?
You sure you only had 3 beers?
Drunk off of 3 beers. C'mon man!!
I'm not "drunk" but I'm also drinking microbrews (KBC and Founders). They're more bang for the ounce.
I'm just playing with you. Microbrews definitely pack a punch. MmmMMMmmmMMMM beeeeerrrr
I don't know what's been going on with me lately, but it seems like if I have 2 or more micros during the day, I'm just tired for the rest of the day. If I'm out at night having fun, then I can drink and stay energized, but for some reason it just saps my strength if I'm sitting around. Maybe I'm just getting old. Anyway, point is I totally understand a 3 beer haze.
Pooch punts are more for accurate placement, not turnovers, no?
With a pooch punt, you intentionally kick it short to mitigate the possibility of a long return. The whole idea of coverage, as I understand it, would be to simply swarm the unlucky person who gets to attempt the return.
not really sure what you mean by a "chaos punt" then. Do you mean just shanking it?
Because no, I don't believe that would work
It would be more about getting the ball into the return team's blockiing area, not to the actual return man in hopes of causing a muffed punt. The pooch punt, at least in my eyes, has always been when you're in that area just too far for a field goal and you want excellent placement/chance to down the punt close to the goal line.
I believed Matt Wile has done it a couple times....doesn't work.
Any confirmation it was planned?
limited to 4th down. It is typically more effective on 3rd down although rarely called at the D1 level. Thats right, I said D1.
Wouldn't work on 3rd down, it requires everyone on the return team running towards the returner with their back to the ball not realizing its about to hit them in the back.
That is the purpose of a 3rd down punt; the "return team" does not expect it. They would be in their 3rd and long defense. This play is executed fairly often at the High School level.
you don't do it 3rd and long. 3rd and 2 or less to really suprise them.
the whole point is to have the ball hit the defenders in the back as theyre running towards the return man trying to block, there are no such people on a 3rd down punt
That's just simply chaos
I don't even know what you are trying to say here. Someone less drunk summarize?
I'm trying to force the coverage team to muff the punt. I guess I didn't make that clear. WIth the shorter punts the ball tends to land in the middle of the coverage team when they're expecting a longer punt.
It's not a pooch punt that I'm talking about. It's about surprising the return team with a shorter, quicker punt when they were expecting a booming punt.
So UM is on their own 40, WIle is out their looking to boom one. Instead he "duffs" one 25 yards to the opposing 35 yard line, right in the middle of the blockers for the return team who are expecting the ball to be punted to the 10 yard line. The ball has a chance of bouncing off of one of the blockers for the return team.
I feel like this is less risky than going for it on your own 40 or a fake punt. But I guess it would be harder to execute. I just feel the major risk is only shanking the punt 20 yards but the reward is getting the ball back in enemy territory. A failed fake punt or 4th down conversion nets no yards.
Am I making sense yet? I'm on my fourth so maybe I'm getting clearer...or less clear.
On fourth and five, I think you're probably better off just running your normal offense rather than trying a "chaos punt." Unless you are facing Akron.
I'm just talkative, not drunk. Mean guy.
No need to defend yourself. You said 3 beers. You never said the size of the beers.
I'm a man! I'm forty!
Minus 12. And a kid at heart.
I've had 75 beers and I think this is kind of an interesting idea.
This is a good question and I've thought about it too, but from a slightly different angle. Rather than punt for 20 or 30 yards, would it be possible to line drive a punt right at a near-enough defender who cannot get out of the way or catch it cleanly. The hope would be to bounce it off one of them in order to make the ball live and unrecovered. The problem is that a punt must go five yards beyond the neutral zone (I think NCAA Approved Ruling 6-3-1, but I could be wrong). I think it would be too tough to get a punter to bounce it off a defender five yards beyond the neutral zone. If someone were to try it, I'd suggest kicking the far end of the football so that it kind of helicopters wildly into the defender, and have your best hands guys descending on the spot.
My thought was a line drive would be too difficult. But maybe you could use a technique like you speak of to aim the line drive.
Thank you for adding to the discussion.
This is a really interesting idea. On the flip side though, if one of those guys on the return team is paying attention and fields the short punt, he might only have to beat the punter to take it back to the house.
I didn't think of the improved odds for the actual punt return. My plan is banking on this trick play being used very rarely, but yeah, if a guy is paying attention it could get ugly. But isn't that true for all trick plays?
Against MSU, throw the bomb on every play and pray for a pass interference. It's working for ND, sort of.
At what point are MSU's corner backs not considered "aggressive" and are just called "cheaters".
ND 17 MSU 10
Care to share strategery?
I have actually NEVER thought of this before, but y'know- something like it might just work!
People keep pointing out that Wile is already kicking them short & it sucks... but aren't all his shanks going out of bounds, not bouncing into the midst of retreating blockers? Said blockers are looking at the people they're supposed to neutralize on the return, so a wildly bouncing ball could land and bounce off one very easily- IF a punter could accurately land it there! Not sure I've seen any evidence Wile could?!
Has there ever been a worse game? Why am I watching this?
I have seen the short punt hit unaware players and had this thought as well, not sure if it was called or just luck. I do know of a high school team I have reffed that runs rugby style punt and the punter has a read to throw the ball if the return team is blocking the gunners too aggressively, as long as linemen don't release, it's an easy pass interference flag.
Drunk strategy? How about a 2-2-7 defense?
Have the two DLs shoot the B gaps and use one LB on a delayed blitz where the pocket opens up with the other LB playing man on the RB. If there is no RB and a mobile QB, use the 2nd LB to spy the QB, else cover the short middle.
I feel like MGoBlog should have it's own flag football league 11v11 with actual play calls. I would so get drunk and make up stupid shit.
How about the 6-2-3? Think of the pass rush!!
You just had to bring this up, didn't you?
Haha, but there's was totally a regular punt! Dileo just messed that whole coverage/signal up.
We won. We're good.