Let's say for the sake of argument that Burke does leave...

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Erik_in_Dayton
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Let's say for the sake of argument that Burke does leave...

As Brian recently posted, that leaves Michigan with the possibility of Della Valle, Albrecht, and some as-yet unknown candidates.  Sam Webb has mentioned the possibility of someone using the graduate transfer rule to join Michigan from another school, but he hasn't come up with any names. 

Am I missing anything?  Does anyone have a reason to be optmistic about Albrecht given that he apparently has no scholarship offers?  How about Della Valle, who is apparently more of a two guard?  Is there some unhappy PG who's already graduated from Alabama Tech who has a year of eligibility left and who can really handle an offense? 

As for Stauskas, I know people are going to mention him, but the kid just isn't a PG, is he?  I'd like to be wrong. 

It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future. -- Yogi Berra

                         

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April 4th, 2012 at 4:26 PM | No let's not do that. (Score:4 Normal)
DIABEETUS
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No let's not do that.

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vs Notre Dame: 23-16-1
vs MSU:  68-32-5
vs B1G: 522-197-24
vs SEC:  20-8-1
vs PAC 12: 48-24-1
vs Big 12: 10-5-1<

April 4th, 2012 at 4:27 PM | i don't see a question here, (Score:4 Normal)
ish
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i don't see a question here, but if you intended to ask "will we have a good point guard next year without burke?" the answer is: no.

April 4th, 2012 at 4:29 PM | This is not meant to be a glib answer... (Score:2)
Erik_in_Dayton
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None of the questions I posted were intended to be rhetorical.  I'm hoping people know something that I don't. 

It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future. -- Yogi Berra

                         

April 4th, 2012 at 4:28 PM | Then the 2nd round of the NBA (Score:2)
dennisblundon
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Then the 2nd round of the NBA draft just added another quality PG.

April 4th, 2012 at 8:31 PM | that, or we get worst case (Score:1)
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I think he goes undrafted.

April 4th, 2012 at 4:29 PM | If you're not sold on these (Score:3 Normal)
lunchboxthegoat
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If you're not sold on these three possibilities without Burke next year your other option is: 

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April 4th, 2012 at 4:31 PM | No! (Score:3 Underrated)
Erik_in_Dayton
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You're supposed to say, "I really like Albrecht, and in fact he has offers from _____."  Or you could say, "What about that really good PG from _____, who has already graduated but who has a year left? I hear he likes Michigan." 

I reject your answer. 

It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future. -- Yogi Berra

                         

April 4th, 2012 at 4:30 PM | Ok, for argument's sake (Score:5 Normal)
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We're fucked

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April 4th, 2012 at 4:30 PM | If he does, someone really (Score:5 Normal)
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If he does, someone really persuasive is giving Michigan players horrendous advice regarding their draft prospects.  First Morris, now Burke?  Stupid.

Denard has spent the offseason working really hard and smiling at people.

April 4th, 2012 at 4:36 PM | probably this guy (Score:5 Normal)
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April 4th, 2012 at 4:41 PM | According to the front page (Score:3 Normal)
ken725
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According to the front page someone has told Burke that he will be in the 25-30 range.  That is marginal 1st round status. 

I bet he falls outside the 1st round much like Morris did last year. 

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April 4th, 2012 at 4:54 PM | This person is called an (Score:2 Normal)
coastal blue
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This person is called an agent and he does not have Trey's best interests at heart.

April 4th, 2012 at 6:19 PM | Isn't it a report created by (Score:1)
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Isn't it a report created by the NBA and their scouts? The league obviously wants talented kids to declare but at the same time they're not hurting for players like Trey Burke. I'd say the range he received (if that really is the range they gave him) is a fair projection.

April 4th, 2012 at 11:40 PM | I wish we had some statistics on this (Score:1)
Yeoman
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comparing evaluations with eventual draft positions. On its face I'd expect them to try to give accurate projections. I don't see what the league has to gain by encouraging undergraduates into the draft that they can't use, but it'd be nice to not have to guess.

April 4th, 2012 at 4:59 PM | It actually says "20-35" (Score:2)
snarling wolverine
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It actually says "20-35" which isn't even a guarantee of the first round.

April 4th, 2012 at 6:45 PM | i'm guessing (Score:2 Normal)
ashea
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i'm guessing 60 kids get at least a 20-35 grade.

April 4th, 2012 at 8:28 PM | Probably not 60, but the (Score:0)
April 5th, 2012 at 9:16 AM | This draft is much deeper than last year's draft (Score:2)
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I don't even think Morris gets drafted if this class came out last year.

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April 4th, 2012 at 4:42 PM | This seems like a possibly (Score:5 Normal)
colin
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This seems like a possibly different case.  Trey got a grade that neither Manny nor Darius got. I'm not sure I buy it, but it doesn't really matter does it?  He may very well be maximizing his value going now.  

...the Canadians make up for it with their emotion and classic ice-dancing skill.

April 4th, 2012 at 4:31 PM | albrecht + della valle (Score:1)
JCV16
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adding those two (who are both flawed but can handle it) keeps us in the top 25, I think.  Say goodbye to dreams of final four contention, though.

Tremendous!

April 4th, 2012 at 4:32 PM | Let's just run the Wisconsin (Score:5 Normal)
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Let's just run the Wisconsin offense.

In any case, Big Ten Geeks pointed out that the last time Wisconsin didn't have a point guard they won thirty games. Point guard: optional at Wisconsin.

"It would be a travesty, it would be ridiculous to all of a sudden come back and get the feeling back, get the health back, feel good again and then all of a sudden go throw some other colors on my shirt and go coach."

April 4th, 2012 at 4:35 PM | I thought of that too (Score:5 Normal)
Erik_in_Dayton
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I'm am intrigued by this no-PG offense and would like to subscribe to Wisconsin's newsletter.

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April 4th, 2012 at 4:39 PM | does anyone have any idea (Score:2)
colin
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does anyone have any idea what they ran/who their primary ballhandlers were?

...the Canadians make up for it with their emotion and classic ice-dancing skill.

April 4th, 2012 at 11:35 PM | what they ran (Score:2 Insightful)
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http://www.coachesclipboard.net/BoRyanSwingOffense.html

The fundamental difference between this and the sets Beilein prefers is that Wisconsin is trying to post people up, while Beilein likes to keep the lane clear and plays for back cuts and threes. What they have in common is that, at least in theory, the four outside players rotate through all four positions (or sometimes it's five players rotating through all five).

You can run these offenses in the half court without a designated point guard. But you have to be able to get the ball up against pressure and you need someone to handle when you run unless you never want to run.

April 4th, 2012 at 6:13 PM | That's not all that far-fetched. (Score:2 Normal)
Yeoman
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This year's offense was heavy on the high ball screens and thus point guard dependent, something Beilein chose to do because he had a quality point guard. But the sets he's mostly used in the past are derived from offenses like the shuffle where the four outside positions (and in some cases all five) are interchangeable. Once you get the ball up the floor, they're more or less pointguardless, a lot like the stuff Wisconsin runs.

I think we'll see a lot more grinding through the skin and the shuffle etc. next year, and I think it'll be more effective than people expect.

April 4th, 2012 at 4:38 PM | Considering the recent (Score:5 Funny)
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Considering the recent investments in the basketball facilities & increase in ticket prices (perhaps in anticipation of a coming dynasty), I sense one very panicked Dave Brandon following Trey around campus doing a good bit of groveling. Which, for pure entertainment value, I'd love to watch. 

Not making the argument that these investments & pricing decisions were predicated on Burke (renovations pre-date Burke), but one has to assume DB sees the enthusiasm getting sucked out of the fanbase if we lose Burke. 

No enthusiasm=fewer sales; fewer sales=sad DB; sad DB=dead drifters.

Enthusiasm=sales; sales=happy DB; happy DB=fewer dead drifters. So, for the sake of Michigan's drifters, I hope Burke stays. 

Hopefully it doesn't come down to Edible Arrangements. That'd be a clear reason to leave, in and of itself. 

M '11

April 4th, 2012 at 4:38 PM | Having seen relatively little (Score:3 Normal)
colin
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Having seen relatively little tape, I still hope GRIII gets some looks as a point forward type.  I thought his handle looked as good as anyone on the roster.  I'm sure Stauskas will get some looks, but I thought GR looked better.  In any case, I definitely don't buy the idea that we have to have little dudes at the 1.  You just need enough handle and decision-making skills.

...the Canadians make up for it with their emotion and classic ice-dancing skill.

April 4th, 2012 at 4:47 PM | I'd rather not. (Score:1)
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I'd rather not.

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April 4th, 2012 at 4:52 PM | You know he could really (Score:1)
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You know he could really raise his stock up next year with the talent coming in next year. I just dont get it.

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April 4th, 2012 at 5:11 PM | What matters is if he would (Score:2 Normal)
colin
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What matters is if he would have grown beyond what he'd be projected to by NBA scouts by sticking around another year.  NBA talent evaluators assume 19 year olds will get better. Beilein's a great coach, but Trey's certainly shown he's incredibly self motivated and driven to improve.

...the Canadians make up for it with their emotion and classic ice-dancing skill.

April 4th, 2012 at 4:57 PM | Scott Machado (Score:5 Normal)
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Senior from Iona, 13.6 ppg, 9.9 apg, 5 rpg. Draft stock is not too high. A year of high major basketball could boost his stock.

April 4th, 2012 at 5:01 PM | This is what I was looking for^^^ (Score:2)
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Did he already graduate?  Do you know him?  Can you make him promise to come to Michigan? 

I'm kidding about those last two...sort of. 

It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future. -- Yogi Berra

                         

April 4th, 2012 at 5:17 PM | SOMEONE GET ON THE LINE (Score:2 Funny)
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SOMEONE GET ON THE LINE WITH THIS SCOTT MACHADO GUY!!!!!

: Is Scott Machado there?

 YES SIR!

 I hear you play the point and have some eligibity left!

How's this for you coach?

 

Ann Arbor is this way son!!!

 
ED: Looks like this kid played all four years so he wouldn't have any eligibility. Any one year rental would have to have been redshirted for a year.

April 4th, 2012 at 5:17 PM | First he should get on the (Score:2)
snarling wolverine
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First he should get on the phone with Burke and sell him on returning.  But yeah, that's not a bad backup option (even though I hate the rent-a-senior rule).

April 4th, 2012 at 6:33 PM | A nice idea (Score:1)
Yeoman
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but that'd be some real basketball-culture shock, coming from a team that plays like Westhead's Marymount teams to play in Beilein's offense.

It'd be a good career move for him--show some versatility that I don't think the nba thinks he has.

April 4th, 2012 at 5:07 PM | I still have a year of (Score:2 Funny)
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I still have a year of eligibility left and I played ball in high school.  

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April 4th, 2012 at 5:19 PM | Stay right there Burke (Score:5 Normal)
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Stay right there BurkeAll of the 4 stars. via @mgoblog

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April 4th, 2012 at 5:22 PM | Open Tryouts (Score:2 Normal)
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Can't wait for the open tryouts to take place.  I think I'm going to make the team as the starting point guard.

April 4th, 2012 at 5:53 PM | I'll be pulling for you. How (Score:1)
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I'll be pulling for you. How will I know which one is you?

April 4th, 2012 at 5:43 PM | this just sucks. (Score:0)
April 4th, 2012 at 5:50 PM | Albrecht is a reach at best, (Score:2)
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Albrecht is a reach at best, it would seem. Dell Valle may be "more of a two guard" but I'm not sure that would stop them from trying him out if he came.

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April 4th, 2012 at 5:54 PM | I think they would, absolutely (Score:2)
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I don't see much other choice. 

It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future. -- Yogi Berra

                         

April 4th, 2012 at 6:04 PM | McGray won't change his mind, right? (Score:0 Overrated)
April 4th, 2012 at 6:27 PM | Let him go. This is ridiculous (Score:1 Normal)
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It has gone this long. Some underclass carry their team deep into the tourney. They are obviously super stars This is not the case. Wrong choice but he and his family made their bed. See yah.

Go Blue !!!

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April 4th, 2012 at 6:30 PM | we're a little upgefuckt, (Score:1)
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as they say in Germany.

April 4th, 2012 at 6:32 PM | I found our backup plan (Score:0)
April 4th, 2012 at 6:35 PM | Justice Hayes wishes Trey Farewell (Score:2)
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per twitter:

 

@ju5ticehayes: S/o to my dude @Trey_Burke3 in declaring for the NBA.!!  Go get that bread!!!!!!!!!!! Haha.. First on in our class_!

 

I guess its a good thing I have Akunne on my fantasy team.

April 4th, 2012 at 6:36 PM | Apparently Stauskas thinks he can contribute (Score:3 Normal)
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@NStauskas11: Lol... I was about to leave the gym, but after hearing this news... Guess its gonna be another hour of ball handling.

April 4th, 2012 at 6:46 PM | he may be our best option (Score:1)
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he may be our best option

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April 4th, 2012 at 6:50 PM | Kwamain Mitchell (Score:3 Normal)
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Plays for St. Louis, helped give sparty a scare. Stat line is decent - 12.1 ppg, 3.8 apg, 2.7rpg. The one issues is that he was suspended a year for violating school policy.

Other option; Devon Moore - James Madison. Ok stats. From Columbus.

Not many good redshirt junior point guards out there.

 

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