Awful if true. I really hope it's not. College football doesn't need any more negative news.
Awful if true. I really hope it's not. College football doesn't need any more negative news.
I'm sure college football will be just fine. In fact, maybe this will help us start realizing con artists like Meyer, Carroll, Kelly and Petrino are fakes
You're right. College football will survive. I do wonder, though: which Kelly do you refer to? Chip, I'm guessing?
Brian. If you think the deaths at ND (Declan Sullivan) and St Mary's (Lizzy Seaberg) are bad just start digging into his time at CMU and GVSU.
I suppose I haven't been following college football long enough to know what was talked about when he was at CMU and GVSU.
it was just questionable disciplinary decisions. Star QB getting in trouble multiple but never seeming to face much discipline among other unseemly things.
The CMU murder case could have been a much bigger deal but it was really swept away.
That's a pretty hefty suggestion. Why don't you just explain what the heck you're talking about? And what did he have to do with either of those deaths? He's not the overseer of all the goings on in South Bend.
Death and cover ups seem to coincidentally follow this guy wherever he goes. Just an unlucky guy I suppose.
Chicago Tribune December 2009
Kelly responded with team discipline as well as any new coach could. But he embroiled himself in controversy explaining why several CMU players may have perjured themselves trying to protect a teammate.
"For example, a number of them were African-Americans that had been in that culture of violence, and they're taught to look away," Kelly said in the Sept. 22, 2005, edition of the Detroit Free Press. "You don't want anything to do with it. Get out of there. You don't say anything to anybody.
"That is a culture that they are immersed in. When they come here, their first reaction is to react the way they've been taught to react in their culture and in their environment. That's difficult."
so searching and linking is tough, but I'm pretty sure ESPN anonymously interviewed a few FBS coaches and they all claimed that their job wouldn't survive an incident identical to Declan Sullivan's death.
Investigators wanted to see Sullivan's video footage to figure out what happened. Brian Kelly refused to give the tape up because he said it showed parts of their walkthrough for the upcoming game.
Eventually OSHA was allowed to view edited clips of Sullivan's recording, they were only permitted to view them in a designated location and not allowed to take the tapes with them.
Does OSHA really have so little power they can't demand the tapes? How wasn't this alone a bigger scandal?
If OSHA has jurisdiction over your workplace they can do anything they want. The only reason why they wouldn't do anything is if there was pressure from above. Eventually Notre Dame was fined 77 thousand dollars but that's spare change for them.
In the first part of ther report Brian Kelly said it was a "Beautiful day", OSHA says otherwise. Here is small portion of the report.
What a joke. I never had much dislike of ND before Kelly but there is just too much weird stuff with him.
Things like this make me think the whole Teo saga was cooked up by Kelly and Teo. If ND is willing to cover up negligent homicide and sexual assault what would stop them from making up Lennay Kakua?
I am from MP and know people close to the program and it is safe to say Kelly didn't leave any friends in his wake. Being a jerk, making public statements about black culture and their hatred for the police being a reason his players didn't cooperate in a murder investigation and having members of the team murder a 150 pound gay kid outside of a bar for talking some smack didn't earn him too many friends in MP.
You'll have to forgive me for my ignorance, but are there any links that you can show me that actually talk about this? I'm having a hard time finding anything.
Edit: There's now a link above.
Quick google found this article about the murder. It's a mobile link.
I will take a look for something about the black culture statement but trust me he said it.
Mobile link to an apology for stupid statement about black culture.
Appreciate the links. This has certainly been eye opening.
Thanks for educating me.
I'd recommend reading up on the circumstances surrounding Jerry Seymour at CMU.
Yup. Some of my buddies played for him at GVSU and I heard multiple stories of him being caught hooking up with secretaries, Coeds, etc. He always felt above it all and never thought he'd be found out since he controlled everyone in the athletic dept
The moral of the story is, that turning down Michigan might cost you your marriage. That's two coaches who basically accepted the job, ended up turning it down, then having an affair come out.
Rick pitino. His affair came out not too long after turning Michigan down (ironically because his wife preferred Louisville)
Say "not long after." It was probably 5-7 years later. But it was at Louisville, after taking that job over the UM job.
Miles turn down Michigan? If you are referring to post Carr, we screwed that up, he wanted to be the coach. If referring to post rich rod? Dave Brandon never was going to hire him nor did he offer, I have first hand knowledge of that. Les has burned many bridges in Ann Arbor...
will you do me and I was like wha-bam!"
This must be new, because I'm not sure how this magical .gif could have escaped me otherwise. Pure gold.
It's from last season and it's a classic.
Nice touch with the sideburns.
Best gif EVAHHHH!!!!
This is amazing!
Gary Moeller is pleased.
He salutes you BiSB
I would think that happened in the middle 90's. Les might be 40+, and Mrs Moeller might be close to 55+. Interesting.
Pete Carroll apparently was having an affair with a grad student and Charlie Weis made a public comment about it once.
And in terms of Les Miles a) his wife is definitely not a looker and b) if this student affair is true, then I'm totally buying the whole rumor of how Lloyd wasn't too fond of him because of some inappropriate activities he engaged in with Gary Moellers's wife. Two rumors usually add up to something.
College football losing Les Miles would suck though. This gives me a whole new view to the Les Miles Loves to Eat Grass meme....
Before we all implicate Moeller's wife, we should note that that's just one version of the rumor. Others were that he was sleeping with students.
Keep in mind that when you spread this particular rumor, you're not just making Miles look bad, you're making Mrs. Moeller as well, and that may be totally unfair.
But I have it on good authority that this is the accepted story among those "in the know." In other words, this isn't an internet creation (unlike this latest rumor).
So regardless of what actually happened, whatever DID happen resulted in a significant falling-out between Moeller and Miles.
There are at least some insiders who swear that this story is nonsense.
Again, when you repeat this story you are not just implicating Miles, but also the wife of someone who is still part of the Michigan athletic family. Gary Moeller still attends athletic events frequently. I think we should exercise caution here.
And I'm not going to try to win a "my insiders are more insiderish than your insiders" battle, cause that's not my point. My point is simply that is is a widely held view in many circles (from message board trolls like myself to past and present Athletic Department hoi polloi). And these stories have existed for 17 years. Mentioning in isn't breaking any new ground.
In other words, the rumors (whether fatually true or not) and their general acceptance inform the current relationship between Miles and various Michigan factions.
I don't think we are implicating anyone here. We are just talking about what we heard, read, etc. I know that various idiot journalists surf these blogs/forums and use the information but that's more of a indictment on the state of journalism today. Anyways, it's not like this is some official place where everything is of fact. Everything will be okay.
This site won't tolerate an unsubstantiated rumor for a minute... but, if the rumor has been around long enough, and BISB heard it, then it must be true?
discretion is the better part of valor my friend and I would prefer that we not sit here like high school students and debate who slept with who...
Soooooo...you're telling me his wife has 'More' Miles? Since she's 'not a looker'...
You see what I did there???
You imply that Les Miles wife is "definitely not a looker"...
I wonder if it was with Katherine Webb
This wouldn't be that surprising.
If this is true, it's just the latest evidence that we (inadvertently) dodged a bullet when we missed out on that guy.
we missed a bullet but landed on a grenade. we were in a coma for 3 years
I wanted to post Mo, but beat to the punch
Not very many write-ups on this, but RantSports had one (LINK).
This story and many tweets do stress that, at the moment, there is no evidence to support the claim, but I would think that, in a scenario where it was true (lots of people on Twitter going out of their way to point out the lack of evidence at the moment) the timing couldn't be worse as you would have to make a bumbling transition to one of the coordinators more than likely with no time to hire someone impactful. There would also be considerable difficulty getting top-tier recruits to come to LSU, I would imagine. Les leaving because he doesn't want to coach anymore is something they could likely manage fairly smoothly, but in any other case, I would see LSU as desperately unprepared.
EDIT: PatWhiteSports is now tweeting that they have a source claiming that this rumor is not true.
If true this is an absolute tragedy for the game of college football. A solid 50% at least of my non-Michigan college football entertainment comes from his ridiculous antics, pressers and otherwise. And who will step up to troll Saban?