Les Miles is not morally fit to coach at Michigan
Les Miles is a guy who lies to kids. Watch this Outside the Lines video if you haven't already: http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5935634&categoryid=3286128
If Michigan is a place where RR doesn't fit and Miles does, then Michigan is just another team, not a place that stands for something.
January 9th, 2011 at 12:16 AM ^
To your question of whether something might be legal/lawful without being moral... I would refer you to the many fine articles, books, etc. that have chronicled our latest economic 'situation.' You may (or may not) change your answer to that question.
January 9th, 2011 at 12:24 AM ^
"many fine articles, books, etc." address the two questions I raised that come after the one you also mentioned?
If not, then they're probably not worth much.
January 9th, 2011 at 2:24 AM ^
Well, frankly morality is something that no book can answer. So, yeah. You got me there. Good on you. You've got to come up with your own gauge for morality. So, if I implied any sort of moral certitude in my post, I apologize. I cannot answer "what is moral?" You need to come to your own conclusion.
As for the second question - "why is anybody's version more credible than another's?" Well, I would say that depends in large part on the information available. And in this particular case, I feel there's a fair amount of publicly available information that can lead to certain conclusions. If you disagree, so be it. Then yeah, your conclusions will be different and we will not agree. But the facts will still be the same. At which point it will be a disagreement about what is or isn't moral. *shrug* some may find your view correct - others might agree with mine. But at the end of the day, it's still just opinions. You're welcome to yours, as I am to mine.
Regardless, Go Blue!
January 9th, 2011 at 8:44 AM ^
I appreciate your thoughts.
One clarification though - we're talking about either M football or college athletics generally right?
January 9th, 2011 at 12:27 AM ^
Man, c'mon. Stop acting all "holier than thou." What would Jesus say about your constant judgement of our characters through internet blogging?
January 9th, 2011 at 12:34 AM ^
he'd commence a tap dance.
Then possibly have a rice cake.
January 8th, 2011 at 11:26 PM ^
Moral certitude in athletics starts at 5,000 MGoPoints.
January 8th, 2011 at 11:35 PM ^
apparently meta-ethical certitude starts somewhere in the 4200s!
January 8th, 2011 at 11:41 PM ^
as against "meta-ethical certitude." In fact, put me down as against ethical or moral certitude as such.
I expect that being accounted for will make a difference on this important issue.
January 8th, 2011 at 11:10 PM ^
Seriously? You can stop now.
January 8th, 2011 at 11:10 PM ^
January 8th, 2011 at 11:56 PM ^
Harbaugh come into the conversation?
January 8th, 2011 at 11:11 PM ^
chengelis
- bobwojnowski Regarding #Michigan football, it hasn't changed. If Michigan wants Les Miles, and doesn't low-ball him, he will come. Dream job.
January 8th, 2011 at 11:14 PM ^
@schadjoe I'm hearing he will accept if/when offered the job.
January 8th, 2011 at 11:11 PM ^
"de plane...de plane!..."
January 8th, 2011 at 11:12 PM ^
Wow...we sure do have some irrational fans! Was today a bad day for our beloved Wolverines...yeah sure, but c'mon....people take a deep breath and relax. We will have a coach by mid next week at the latest and any of these kids that were leans (unless the are early enrollees) will still be in the fold. There have been plenty of surpises right up to signing day in the last decade.
And one last thing....WHOEVER THE COACH ENDS UP BEING....can we PLEASE be a united front. We have enough forces working against us already....let's not throw logs ont he fire.
Go Blue!
January 8th, 2011 at 11:13 PM ^
I'm happy to be irrational if it means wanting Michigan to have integrity.
January 8th, 2011 at 11:19 PM ^
Who fucks over his own players.
January 8th, 2011 at 11:22 PM ^
This guy deserves it.
January 8th, 2011 at 11:24 PM ^
Plus ten for guy advocating unity....
January 8th, 2011 at 11:25 PM ^
any of these kids that were leans (unless the are early enrollees) will still be in the fold.
This isn't FantasyLand®, most of our top recruits verbally (and some very publicly) have committed to other schools.
January 9th, 2011 at 12:20 AM ^
I am completely onboard with supporting the staff fully ONCE THEY ARE HIRED. But until that time, I think it's perfectly reasonable for anyone to express their opinion for or against any candidate.
But yeah, once they sign on the dotted line and indicate their desire to be Michigan's Head Football Coach - Then I agree everyone should just swallow any ill feelings and get behind the TEAM.
January 9th, 2011 at 12:43 AM ^
now that RR is gone we need to present a united front.
January 8th, 2011 at 11:12 PM ^
Well Brandon is not down in the Bayou buying cajun food for sure... he's there to try & secure Miles as a HC. If he does, hopes he locks up & brings Chavis with him.......Now the issue of what the guys at www.wjob.com is taking place.... a Miles decision expected within 48 hours, (from last night's) game... so we will see it will either be yea or nay.....
January 8th, 2011 at 11:12 PM ^
23gene
January 8th, 2011 at 11:16 PM ^
BOBBY PETRINOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
January 8th, 2011 at 11:54 PM ^
If we hired Bobby Petrino...I'm not sure I could support him as Head Coach. He is literally the only reason I ever briefly considered rooting for OSU(I know I know, neg as needed)
January 8th, 2011 at 11:18 PM ^
Should I start the Pat-Ter-Son chant? Or do you want to?
January 8th, 2011 at 11:18 PM ^
Harbaugh decommitted from the 49ers??
But seriously, list:
Patterson (extension signed)
Edsall (Maryland)
Bielema (Hell no)
Tressel (Hell no)
Beamer (Nope)
Kelly (Nope)
Chizik (Nope again)
Petrino (highly doubt it)
That leaves...Stoops (!!!!!!)
January 8th, 2011 at 11:21 PM ^
Why do you think it has to be a HC? It could be one of the assistants
January 8th, 2011 at 11:31 PM ^
The vagueness of Twitter. I'm gonna let wlubd answer that.
January 8th, 2011 at 11:24 PM ^
Assuming that's the case and it's a head coach, the list would be:
Bielema-No.
Patterson-Most Likely.
Stoops-Maybe but not realistic IMO.
Edsall-No.
Harbaugh-FML
Beamer-No.
Tressel-Hell no.
Petrino-Maybe?
Chizik-No.
Kelly-No.
Assume that leaves Patterson, Petrino and Stoops in that order of likeliness. I'll still hope for Patterson but looks for all intents and purposes to be Miles.
EDIT: Beaten to it. By 5 minutes. How the hell did it take me that long to type this?
January 8th, 2011 at 11:13 PM ^
Fuck you.
January 8th, 2011 at 11:32 PM ^
I only regret that I have but one neg to give for this post.
- Nathan Haleffe
January 9th, 2011 at 7:33 PM ^
"One neg's as good as a wink to a blind bat."
- S.A. Nomore
January 8th, 2011 at 11:14 PM ^
who act like being a michigan man is such a big deal will gladly overlook much of what les does just because hes a michigan man. they held richrod to such high standards because they didnt like him and they were looking for a reason to hate him
January 8th, 2011 at 11:17 PM ^
Do you like Michigan just because there helmets are blue? If the team doesn't stand for something, then what's the point?
January 8th, 2011 at 11:58 PM ^
to win football games. im not saying i want us to lower our standars, but dont be surprised when half the michigan fans you meet will accept miles with all his baggage because he is a) a michigan man and b) a winner
January 8th, 2011 at 11:39 PM ^
RR was held to high standards? What, like having to beat MSU, Iowa, Penn State, Ohio State...Hell, did he even beat Northwestern?
You dont seem to understand something here. Les Miles is an elite coach. If he didn't love the university, there's no way he would even consider taking this job. Three years into a terrible decision by Bill Martin, If Miles doesn't take the job there is a possibility we just dont come back from this. At best it would add years to the process.
January 8th, 2011 at 11:53 PM ^
no one denies he was expected to beat state and tosu. i mean high moral standards. 20 minutes of extra practice time and half the fan base talks about how he has no morals. he had to pay a buyout to WVU and people say he has no class. etc
if harbuagh or miles come, those same people will not care if they leave and have to pay a buyout. what i'm saying is people will gladly overlook les miles oversigning and backstabbing players because he's "A MITCHIGAN MAAAAN'" while richrod was publicly ridiculed whenever he looked the wrong way at a reporter
January 9th, 2011 at 12:03 AM ^
I could not care less what nasty SEC tactics Les Miles used when he was coaching at LSU, Oklahoma State, or wherever. This man would be leaving a championship caliber team for the sole reason that he loves the University of Michigan. Do you really thing he would do anything to hurt the University's reputation? Not a chance in hell. Do you treat a rental car like you do your own?
January 9th, 2011 at 1:21 AM ^
for the sake of winning football games. he doesnt ditch players and oversign because he hates lsu, he does it because it helps him win because thats his job
January 8th, 2011 at 11:14 PM ^
Les Miles is NSFW/H/Kass! Hide yo kids, hide yo grass, hide yo hats, and hide yo recruits cuz Les Miles is one sketchy mother- [shut your mouth!]
I'm only talking bout the Mad Hatter [we can dig it].
January 8th, 2011 at 11:16 PM ^
Michigan will have to worry about undersigning (is it possible) if we dont lock up a viable option at head coach. If its Les Miles so be it.
January 8th, 2011 at 11:17 PM ^
ESPN is reporting as of a few minutes ago that BD is going to ask permission (or has) to talk to Les Miles.
I have no opinion on whether this is true.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6003504
However, I hope it is true because at some point we're going to need a coach who can at least attract a few recruits, i.e., DB may have boxed himself into a corner now NEEDING an impressive name coach just to keep the team together.
January 8th, 2011 at 11:18 PM ^
about who we are actually going to end up with but everyone knows that even if we hire someone senseless we should probably all not complain because last time 10% of the fans fretted very vocally over meaningless stuff we ended up right where we are now
January 8th, 2011 at 11:18 PM ^
MGoJudgment Rendered.
January 8th, 2011 at 11:34 PM ^
Revealed.