I was wondering if some of the more proficient members of this board had any conjectures on how high Wilton Speight, might be ranked when it's all said and done?
Legitimate ranking for Wilton Speight?
"Rankings don't matter." /
"Mike Hart was a three star." /
"Kevin Grady was a five star." /
You're welcome everyone.
I'll go low four, based on the gut.
I feel bad for Alabama then...a team full of Kevin Gradys...how will they ever win a game?
alabama's kevin gradys find a way to get "hurt", get a medical schollie and then get replaced.
Three stars, gentleman
It has been tossed around that he will end up toward the top of pro-style QBs. It is a down year though.
Espn put him on their "Watch List 300" just yesterday for this very reason. That means they're projecting him as a 4 star prospect.
Not really....a lot of Watch List guys end up as three-stars. In Speight's case I think that's what'll happen. On the Rivals scale I would think 5.7, which is the highest you can go as a three-star before you hit four. A good senior year could make him a 5.8. Harder to say with ESPN's because they keep shifting it.
based on film I'd say he'd be a top 20 QB in the nation (high 3 star - low 4 star types)
Though you want to trust Magnus more than me on this one
Why trust Magnus more than you? What do we actually know about what Magnus actually knows? You're both just anonymous posters on an internet message board. Magnus just happens to have a website. In reality, though, he may or may not know what he's talking about.
... Mr. Rager?
+1 to you. I had a legitimate chuckle.
That thread sure was interesting.
Without knowing who Magnus is, I think a lot of people will trust him because he has built credibility over time. We don't appreciate Magnus because he says he's a coach, we appreciate him because we've seen a lot of his predictions come true over time, and his analysis of players is well reasoned and objective.
he made that have come true? He gives a generalised eval on recruits that never really predict anything. He might say likes 1 recruit over another but he never makes any bold predicitions. And hes wrong on the talent evals every bit as much as he is right. I don't want to hate on the guy.. I value his opinions as much as I value Ace or Brians's. They are all just Michigan fans who might know a ittle more than the average fan..but they sure as hell arent pros.
You're right that I don't make a ton of predictions about who will pick what school (because it's a fool's errand, plus I don't often talk to recruits). However, what I'm assuming he's referring to is player evaluations. And while I have been wrong at times, I generally have a pretty good bead on players' strengths and weaknesses, where they're going to struggle, etc. I miss on a few guys here or there, but I like to think I hit more than I miss (Jake Ryan, Desmond Morgan, Ricardo Miller, Jerald Robinson, Jeremy Jackson). Hell, I take flak sometimes for rating Frank Clark too low, but in his commitment post, I mentioned that he gets his shoulders turned too often and doesn't always wrap up ball carriers (link); and so far he's been a solid backup, which is in line with his TTB Rating of 59 (aka Good backup or below average starter). I'm far from perfect, but there are some people in the Michigan blogosphere/recruiting analyst world who think every kid is going to make an impact or turn into a star.
His hs film doesn't look spectacular but he trains with Steve Clarkson regularly so he might shine in the summer camp circuit
What about his film did you not like?
It doesn't look like 5-star film? Arm strength issues and throwing off his back foot. I mean the kid is good and wants to get better. I'm perfectly okay with that.
First, whether it's fair or not, I think arm strength is one of the biggest determining factor for QB star rankings. They're trying to predict potential, remember, and arm strength is probably the most difficult thing to change about a QB. You aren't going to see many weaker-armed prospects at the top, or cannon-armed kids at the bottom. Not necessarily saying Speight fits into the flimsy arm category because it's really not all that bad, but I think the rankings guys are looking into that before everything you mentioned.
Second, his competition sucks.
one of the more thoughtful ones I have read in a while. Not funny, but actually insightful.
He'll go to camps, and he'll be a Mid/High 4 Star...
Trent Dilfer would'nt express interest in seeing him in person if he already didn't think highly of him/know who he is...
However, if he's a 1,2,3,4,5, or 6 star, Michigan is still getting the same player, and our coaches think he is the best QB in the nation....
One offer and one commit....
Not sure if this has been posted before, but I saw this video of him at one of those steve clarkston camps and he looks pretty good in it.
after about 3 beers, I look that good at Elbel during our tailgates! No pressure, no defense ... I don't think this film shows anything.
However ... 100% confidence in whatever Hoke saw. Kid must have potential.
Nice touch and very good accuracy. Arm strength is still a question mark. But those receivers suck.
I'm pretty sure someone from one of the pay sites said he'd start there.
This was on the Scout boards. The Scout scouter (that sounds funny) for that region said he will likely start as a high three star.
The Rivals guys expect him to be a 3-star, too.
I trust the coaches know what they're doing in offering Speight. It was just curiosity to see what others thought about his potential ranking. Based on his video, his accuracy is top notch and he puts the ball in good spots for his receivers.
I hope a lot because that means he's good and I can like him.
All I saw in that video was the deep ball. I know things have been said about his arm strength but how's his accuracy on other throws? Can he hit a 15 yard comeback?
If he can show he can make other throws I think he'll definitely be a four star before it's all said and done.
Espn seems really high on him. One of the head ranking fellas was comparing him to hackenburg. That's really good company to be compared too.
Now that I think of it, they have very similar throwing motions without super strong arms
I suck at math. Hold off on deleting this post while I write down this website.
Seriously though, I think he is a guy who can turn into a pretty darn good QB given time to develop - and the UM QB situation will allow him just that...Redshirt a year, backup Morris for a while, then all systems GO!
I want everyone to know that I do not personally know Magnus. However, I do know something about recruiting and college football. I trust his opinions to be valid and accurate to the extent one's opinion this topic can be and he is not bias in his evaluations. Recruiting is marathon, not a sprint. Moreover, 18 year old kids change their opinion on a near daily basis. The bottom line is one needs to understand that this process is fluid and kids will change their position on a dime.
That scout rating made me laugh. Have we ever had a 1 star? I guess he's rated that due to them not knowing enough about him or something.
That he wasn't planning on camping anywhere .. Which will hurt him in rankings via the sites, but who cares. The coaching staff knows what they are looking for and the dud a thorough evaluation before offering him, which makes him a solid recruit
He hasn't shut the door on all camps, but he doesn't want to do every single camp that pops up. People have speculated that he doesn't want to wear himself out and then have a subpar senior season like Shane Morris did.
Shane was crazy busy last year and perhaps doing everything did hurt his ranking and wore him down. However, given that he was evaluated and coached at these camps there's a good chance he will probably end up being a better QB in the long run.
I think we can assume Shane did not necessarily "Wear himself out" in camps. I also wore myself out in college with mono, and I did not get it at a football camp (although I may have caught it after a football game, but who knows).
He is playing in the Under Armour All American game. Good for him if he decides not to camp. Shows that he is extremely happy with his decision to attend Michigan, and he has nothing to prove to anyone else.
He's on the ESPN 150 Watch List, invited to the UA game. Michigan (Heck?) liked him a lot when they saw him throw and that also says a lot.
If he has a good year and a good camp or two, he could shoot up the boards and be as highly rated or higher than Shane. If he gets injured, he could drop.
Look at his film. He's accurate and shows good touch. What could hold him back in the rankings is arm strength and the slight hitch in his throw. But, these last two factors are less important than accuracy/touch.
Legit 4* and will be a top 12 rated pro-style QB in his class.
He's been a fantastic recruiter so far for team 135 and you can't put a star rating on that.
He's not camp crazy or 7-on-7 warrior or elite HS league, so low 4 star largely driven by UM endorsement.
More important for his credibility with other recruits than anything else.
Low four star. Should be 4-star across the board.
He commited to Michigan which automatically makes him a 5 star in the only category that matters!