Can't wait for the OT:we should make a Denard legend patch to honor the next great dual threat Michigan QB!
this guy evidently hired to work for AD
Can't wait for the OT:we should make a Denard legend patch to honor the next great dual threat Michigan QB!
I couldnt agree with you more man, how are these players ever going to be remembered for what they do if everyday they are getting the past shoved down their throats, its ridiculous lets get away from the past so we can move forward.
Tradition is something you can’t bottle. You can’t buy it at the corner store. But it is there to sustain you when you need it most. I’ve called upon it time and time again. And so have countless other Michigan athletes and coaches. There is nothing like it. I hope it never dies.- Fritz Crisler
Wearing the Michigan jersey should be honor enough. And considering the reverence around here for "the team, the team, the team" it's also rather hypocritical to make such an effort at singling out individuals for extra recognition.
And the patches? Man, to me, that shit is beyond dumb and should remain the domain of scouts, not football players.
I think Michigan should have the number changes completed by Week 2 or 3 every year. I think Kovacs wearing #11 for less than half of the season is a little ridiculous. I like the Legends program but I would have expected Michigan to be a little bit more controlled with it.
In my opinion, Desmond's #21 is on the same level as Carter's #1, if only because of the Heisman trophy and what Desmond has gone on to do after college. To move someone to Desmond's 21 to Carter's #1 would be silly (even if I didn't think that the #21 is just as significant as the #1 jersey).
We're going to move Denard to slot WR and give him the #1 jersey for his final 3/4 games.
After being one of the most oustanding, gifted, and prolific quarterbacks and players in the history of Michigan football who if he had the defenses or WR's or RB's of any of the great 90's/00's teams or played in the watered down B1G of the 70's/80's for example Bo's teams with Demetrius Brown and Michael Taylor likely would have won several national titles by now and who was on many occasions the only bright spot in the worst stretch of Michigan football ever evar evar and whose humility and character embody everything great about even the most laughable stereotypes of what a Michigan Man is supposed to be but yes absolutely let's move him to RB/WR absolutely.
We need the old points system back so we can get this to the +100 it deserves.
That second paragraph is a single sentence, and yet contains only two commas. Talent.
if they were going to to give anyone the number 1 jersey it would've been at the beginning of the year, theyre not going to just change jerseys in the middle of the season unless its for a legend
I know this is completely unrelated but I figured it was worthy to share...
From the mgoblue website, "NIT Season Tip-Off -- The Michigan Basketball team welcomes Bowling Green, Cleveland State and IUPUI to Crisler Center for the NIT Season Tip-Off tournament. The Wolverines will play two games at Crisler Center during the tournament, and your game ticket for the first game against IUPUI will also be valid for the second game! (Second game will be played on Tuesday, Nov. 13, or Monday, Nov. 19)."
Tickets for the IUPUI game are on stubhub and are very cheap. I ended up getting them for $5 and that ended up being for 2 games!
If we're going to go all out with these legends numbers why not give Braylon the old heave ho and make the #1 jersey an Anthony Carter legend jersey
No one has earned that jersey yet. Funchess maybe after next year. You really have to prove yourself with this one. Zero room for let downs and errors. Wear #47 or #48 and miss a tackle, people will brush that off. But if you wear #1 and drop a pass, heaven help you.
Am I the only one hopeless confused about who is wearing what number this year and why? We have Legends, we have endowments, we have normal numbers but they really arent normal anymore because some players are now wearing Legends numbers.
And if I understand the OP, we're proposing taking one of players no longer wearing his normal jersey number because he's been given a Legends patch number and changing his number again to an endowment jersey? Do I have that right?
I'm no expert here but isnt it somewhat customary for players to get their own number and, unless they flip positions or request a change, KEEP that number through their time spent at the school? This whole thing might've looked good on paper but at least for me is confusing as Hell. And FWIW my 9 year old doesnt get it either as he had to ask Kovacs on Saturday what his "real" last name was when he met him.
I think they should go to incoming freshman, unless there's a Braylon situation where it happens to be open and an upperclassmen requests it. Honestly, I will not be surprised if, after Kovacs, Ryan, Roundtree, Moore (although Funchess probably gets it, so Funchess), and Morgan graduate they start getting issued to players before they play their first games at Michigan.
This is what happened with the number one for a couple decades, and I don't really get the opposition to it. If someone gets the 21 or 1 and isn't a lights out All-American, does that really hurt any of the legacy behind those numbers? If you're going to make the requirement that the player is looking at an All-American type season as a junior or senior before giving it out, you seriously will not have any other numbers in consideration for honoring. The worse thing is that you also have all these numbers in the weird position of not being worn and not being retired, which I think could hurt the legacies of these numbers.
I agree that this would be the best way to handle it, but I just don't see that being Hoke's style. Giving legends' jerseys to unproven recruits rather than those who have worked hard in practice and shown their abilities on the field doesn't seem likely.
I respect that, but it really does muddy the waters. It also eliminates a potentially useful recruiting strategy, if you believe recruits care that much about the jersey #s of folks who played before they were old enough to watch football.
in his own mind. From my perspective, these are basically numbers given out for the sake of keeping them in circulation, and getting fans to say, "Wow, Desmond Howard was something special" or "Oh yeah, Gerald Ford knocked fools out in Michigan Stadium back in the day". If they're going to be something that says, "Desmond Howard clone!" or "Next president!" I don't think it's a good idea at all.
If what we're looking for is a reincarnation, Desmond's number likely would have been issued once in the full two decades since he's left, and it's very possible that Kramers number would have been issued three times in the past 57 years.
I'd rather just see the numbers and appreciate the current players honoring their tradition or the numbers painted up on the press box and not issued.
Don't forget about Devin Gardner getting the Roy Roundtree legend number this offseason.
I believe that the original idea behind even having numbers was in order to identify the players. But if we are going to keep up the musical chairs with them then what's the point of even wearing any numbers? We might as well just send the guys out there with blank jerseys.
while i was initially all in favor of the legends jersey program, the rush to re-institute the number has been very annoying. it has actually diminished the recognition of these players. Ii would have preferred that they be unveiled yearly, one-at-a-time, at each season's home opener. that way the player who gets the honor could have had spring practice and summer to "earn" the number on and off the practice field, and it could be given only when an appropriate candidate emerges. it would also be given to an underclassman (preferrably a promising sophomore) so that they could wear it for the majority of their career. i would also advocate that only 2-3 legends jerseys be in circulation at any one time. i would also make the patch smaller with perhaps only the initials of the recognized player (legendary players don't need to be written out fully, and it clutters the jersey). that way, the player could also be told that if they reach a legends status in their own right, they could have their initials added to the patch.
First of all, #1 is NOT a legends jersey. It is an endowed jersey.
Second, Roy Roundtree has NOT earned the jersey. The last guy who competently wore #1 had the following stats his senior season:
And the following career stats:
Roy Roundtree? Here's his stats this year:
And his career:
Obviously, stats aren't the only thing to consider. But the #1 jersey is supposed to be for a player that can dominate a game; Roy is not that player. He was an effective system receiver in RR's offense, but he doesn't get great separation, and isn't an elite player. Do I love him? Yes. Has he shown an ability to show-up in big moments? Absolutely. But the #1 jersey? Not even close.
Roundtree was perhaps on his way to the #1 jersey if he had continued producing like he did in 2010. Unfortunately for him, the change in offensive scheme has stunted his production somewhat.
But watching this weekend's game, I was wondering...did anyone ever do a breakdown of how many catches Roundtree had from Denard and Tate over the 2010 season? I know he had some big one play TD catches at the beginning of the Illinois game, but the end of Roundtree's signature game was with Tate. And Tate came in a lot that season. So seeing him suddenly be a target again the last couple of weeks I wondered if he was getting more balls thrown to him by Tate in the past. Because QBs get comfortable with safety valves, and maybe Denard 100% of the time means he wasn't looking in his direction when there aren't QB OH NOES. (Obviously not saying he was avoiding him...just that he checks down a different direction). Now maybe there's nothing to it, and if someone did the pass breakdown the opposite is true, and Denard threw a lot more to Roundtree than and Tate hit other guys. Just seemed odd with a QB switch he's suddenly a target all over the place again, playing in an even LESS spread system.
I don't know of any breakdowns, but Denard was the starting QB for the 2010 season and Forcier didn't play all that much except for against Illinois that year. Roundtree was a very frequent target of Denard's. I don't think his production had anything to do with Forcier being the QB.
Actually Forcier played extensively in several games that year. BGSU, Iowa and Ohio were three others. He attempted 84 passes, which is a lot for a backup QB.
Yeah...and I guess he played quite a bit against Iowa, but Denard threw 291 passes. Forcier threw 84.
I see where you're coming from, but "upgrading" Roundtree to the #1 jersey is essentially telling Desmond that his jersey wasn't good enough. Wearing #21 is a big enough honor.
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I say give the #1 to somebody because it automatically makes them awesome.
how about Denard vs ohio? fitting conclusion to his career?