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September 27th, 2011 at 2:33 PM
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Leave our OC alone UNM
@TomDienhart Tom Dienhart
Some early names I hear for New Mexico: Bob Bostad; Sonny Dykes; Mike Leach; Noel Mazzone; Jim McElwain; Ed Warinner; Al Borges.
 
 
 
Cut it out dude
 
 
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September 27th, 2011 at 2:37 PM
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I just wonder if we could give them some extra cash and a player or two to take him now...

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September 27th, 2011 at 3:00 PM
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Let's give them you and call

Let's give them you and call it a day.

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September 27th, 2011 at 4:25 PM
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I wish there was a button

I wish there was a button that read dipshit.

Because I would press the shit out of that button.

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September 28th, 2011 at 8:00 AM
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I'm still pushing for a

I'm still pushing for a "Douchey" button.  Who wants to start a petition?

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September 27th, 2011 at 2:38 PM
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hire mike leach.  we need

hire mike leach.  we need that guy back in college football.

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September 27th, 2011 at 2:49 PM
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Yeah, especially if Craig

Yeah, especially if Craig James has any other kids who need to spend some time in an equipment shed.

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September 27th, 2011 at 2:58 PM
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The same CRAIG JAMES who was

The same CRAIG JAMES who was rumored to have KILLED 5 HOOKERS AT SMU?

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September 27th, 2011 at 2:58 PM
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Just

Just 5?

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September 27th, 2011 at 2:59 PM
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I doubt Craig James would

I doubt Craig James would want to travel to New Mexico...prostitution is illegal there and he'll need to get his fix...

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September 27th, 2011 at 6:10 PM
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Yarrr, but there be nary a

Yarrr, but there be nary a body of water in the vicinity!

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September 27th, 2011 at 2:38 PM
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No one is stupid enough to leave

leave Denard Robinson for....what? Cacti? Al Borges has been in the business long enough that he can get a better HC job than at New Mexico.

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September 27th, 2011 at 2:43 PM
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Oh please, nobody wanted to hire him and that's why he ended up with Hoke. He's mentioned that a few times... He slowly and systematically runs offenses into the ground, his track record at the real schools show that.

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September 27th, 2011 at 3:24 PM
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What?

Borges built good offenses at UCLA and Auburn, and got SDSU off to a good start. 

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September 27th, 2011 at 8:42 PM
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Who the buck invited this

Who the buck invited this guy?!

Easy, buddy!

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September 27th, 2011 at 2:46 PM
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leave Denard Robinson

leave Denard Robinson for....what? Cacti?

Green chile

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September 27th, 2011 at 3:03 PM
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Sounds delicious!

 

Homer Drooling

 

Where are the Isotopes?

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September 27th, 2011 at 2:40 PM
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I think that he has been in

I think that he has been in the business long enough, that he may not want to be a HC. He may be plenty happy being a OC at a major college.

 

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September 27th, 2011 at 2:41 PM
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Al is 55 and a career OC.  If

Al is 55 and a career OC.  If he didn't want a HC job before, he doesn't want one now.

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September 27th, 2011 at 2:43 PM
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You look like

the most interesting man in Ann Arbor....

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September 27th, 2011 at 7:11 PM
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He doesn't always make posts,

He doesn't always make posts, but when he does, he prefers MGoBlog.

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September 27th, 2011 at 10:29 PM
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Stay literate

my friends.

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September 27th, 2011 at 4:03 PM
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Especially at New Mexico

When you're 55 and taking your first head coaching job (especially if you've had the success as an o-coordinator that Borges has had), I'm guessing you wouldn't want to be starting on the bottom rung of the ladder.  In Borges situation if you wanted to give head coaching a try, I'm guessing you probably wouldn't look any lower than a mid level team in one of the better BCS conferences.

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September 27th, 2011 at 4:34 PM
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My thoughts...

...exactly. 

I have a had time envisioning him as a good fit in that role.

 

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September 28th, 2011 at 6:09 AM
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Plus, Brady Hoke has pointed

Plus, Brady Hoke has pointed at him.

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September 27th, 2011 at 2:41 PM
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Borges has been everywhere...

and I guarantee he's had HC opportunities before... if that's what he wanted, he'd have done it by now, so not concerned there.  Plus he's in a good situation with a head coach who doesn't seem to micro manage his coordinators.  OC at Michigan > HC at UNM.

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September 27th, 2011 at 3:00 PM
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Falk

Jon Falk would appreciate that thought.

 

To your point, how many books have any prior head coaches at New Mexico written!

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September 27th, 2011 at 2:44 PM
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Hoke needs to point that

Hoke needs to point that finger at UNM and say "NO! Bad UNM! You stop that!"

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September 27th, 2011 at 2:45 PM
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Hopefully our O becomes so

Hopefully our O becomes so amazing that Borges' name will never be mentioned for such a shitty job in the future.

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September 27th, 2011 at 2:49 PM
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If Al wants cactus

he will have to go to Tucson.  There are no saguaro cactus here at 7,000 feet.  UNM should really think twice before going for another offensive coordinator from the Big Ten.

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September 28th, 2011 at 7:34 PM
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Can  I ask, I'm from Gallup.

Can  I ask, I'm from Gallup.  You.  Not too many of us M-fans in the state everyone forgets

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September 27th, 2011 at 2:52 PM
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At first I thought you were

At first I thought you were talking about the University of Northern Michigan making fun of Al Borges. My mistake....

And I doubt he'll leave, this guy's probably just throwing names out

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September 27th, 2011 at 2:58 PM
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Excuse me sir,  it is

Excuse me sir,  it is Northern Michigan Unversity or NMU.  

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September 27th, 2011 at 3:36 PM
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Steve Mariucci...

...hates you.  As does Lloyd Carr and Tom Izzo (not that it matters).   All proud NMU alum would never Pryor-ize their alma mater by referring to it as the University of Northern Michigan!

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September 27th, 2011 at 3:23 PM
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I hope to goodness

He goes there. Not to beat a dead horse and I haven't said anything about Al on here ever but his play calling is simply pathetic. This offense has taken more of a step back then I thought. Get mad at me all you want but if you do you must not know football very well.

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September 27th, 2011 at 3:33 PM
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We are in the first year of a

We are in the first year of a new coach after getting rid of one of the best offensive minds in the game. A step back was expected even though we're still a top ten rushing team nationally.

Also - wait until we play the good defenses in our league. Remember how we did against them last year? Give it a full season before you bitch about our step back.

EDIT: I love how you ended your argument. "Disagree with me if you want, but if you do you're obviously stupid."

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September 27th, 2011 at 3:45 PM
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Was I bitching

Or just stating the obvious. Hmmm.

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September 27th, 2011 at 4:42 PM
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September 27th, 2011 at 5:42 PM
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You were bitching.

You made two statements about Al Borges.
1. His play calling is pathetic.
2. We took more of a step back then (sic) you thought.

That is stating the obvious? The first is a vague, unsupported, purely opinion statement. The second is merely you comparing his performance to your own expectations. Neither of those are obvious.

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September 28th, 2011 at 1:36 AM
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You sir

Have been blinded. The support for my first statement is in the tape. You ever heard the saying the big eye in the sky don't lie. My 4th grade football coach used to say that all the time. Have you watched the game film at all? I have, I have watched every game about 5 times each. I have watched certain plays and drives several more times than that. I'm a football junkie I can't help it. My opinion of his playcalling, the offense's rhythm, the timing, the adjustments, is that at this point they are pathetic. Now I could go into detail about each of those things and the importance of all of those things but i don't really have time to do that and I know you know that already. Besides I'm just some Joe who thinks they know football. The second point can't even remember.

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September 28th, 2011 at 6:32 AM
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really?

You're way off base here.

(1) Maybe you're a spread zealot and all that jazz, but to assume that a new OC under a new regime will try to call games by running a scheme based on what he does not know. . . is nucking futs.

(2) If you can't see how this is shaking out, despite watching each game a gazillion times, I hope you don't end up in the coaching profession. Stick to X-Box. Borges is doing a pretty damn admirable job accomodating parts of a system that will be totally erased/replaced in a few years to take advantage of the unique talents of a 4.3 speed QB, while still attempting to add in bits from what he knows and does well. This latest presser really gives you all that you need to know. QB's have struggled under Al in their first year, with marked improvement in year 2.

(3) Denard is airmailing the shit out of his receivers right now. comfort or no comfort, he's flat out missing open receivers routinely...

and yet...

(4) He's still leading the nation in rushing per game. Borges has been smart enough to maybe go against his instinct to cut down on the carries. He very much realizes that Denard=Offense right now. If we can get away with throwing the ball under 20 times a game until some pass game kinks can get ironed out, I'm all for it. As long as we're able to get production (200+ yards) on the ground from Denard and Fitz/Vince, I'm OK with what's happening.

(5) Brian has mentioned on this blog that the offense has a "grab-bag" feel to it. While this is true, Al and his players are still developing a chemistry and offensive identity. That doesn't just appear out of nowhere. Again, I cite the latest presser: Borges notes that they just have to continue to try things out, and if they don't work, they keep working on it the next week. It's hard to place blame on the playcalling when there are blatant execution issues between Denard and the receivers. Poor throws and blatant drops are going to make the O look pretty bad. I think Borges has said all the right things, and there's absolutely no way to pass judgement on his ability.

(6) While I'm not a fan (obv) of running a 5'6 back out of an I-form, I think things such as the new option addition and QB lead oh noes are clear examples of progress and Al tinkering with the game plan to meet his players half way. At the very least, you have to like that he's not routinely and stubbornly running arrogant plays that have no chance. This is a "feel it out" phase of Michigan football. We will be better.

(7)We are lucky to come out of this CC with such seasoned, smart coordinators. Relax, and watch things improve. We're going to get beat at some point, but honestly, I could see anywhere from a low end of 8 to a high of 11 wins this year (including a bowl).

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September 27th, 2011 at 3:24 PM
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I like Borges...

and think he will be successful here over time. However, if we could get an OC who has proven he can run a spread offense similar to the one we had previously as a replacement I'd be lying if I said I'd be too upset. 

Again, nothing against Al, I think he will be successful in the long run, but if we were running a more spread type offense with the shorter passing game I think this team could win the B1G this year. Hell, they have a chance as it is with no passing game to speak of at all.

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Personally

I think Borges has at the very least met expectations so far.  He's shown the ability to be able to adapt in-game to what's working.  Obviously, against the tomato cans (no offense, directional Michigan schools), he'd want to try to run his own plays to see what works and what doesn't.  That he had the spread-type plays in his back pocket and trotted them out to take advantage of Denard's strengths and compensate for his struggles in the passing game tell me he knows what he's doing. 

You have to chalk up the early-season difficulties with the pro style offense to the newness of it all to those kids, Denard especially. 

I'd give Borges a solid B+ or A- so far.

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September 27th, 2011 at 3:25 PM
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I feel like if Borges wanted

I feel like if Borges wanted to be  a HC, he would have done that a long time ago.

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September 27th, 2011 at 3:42 PM
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I came to this thread thinking that OC meant "original content"

I was getting ready to pick apart UNM's fan base for lack of creativity.

But now I'm worried that my custom Al Borges t-shirt with the word gorgeous beneath it may not be in style for long...

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September 27th, 2011 at 3:49 PM
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Maybe you need a custom

Maybe you need a custom Gordon Borges shirt...

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September 27th, 2011 at 3:59 PM
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Mblue96
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He was a finalist for a job

less than 2 years ago and appears to have wanted that job but someone else was selected.

http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/oregonian/john_canzano/index.ssf/2009/12/post_1.html

 

http://www.oregonlive.com/vikings/index.ssf/2009/12/portland_state_hires_nigel_bur.html

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September 27th, 2011 at 5:05 PM
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Blue boy johnson
Joined: 03/15/2009
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Job is Al's if he wants it.

Job is Al's if he wants it. Al's updated resume has a referral from Fred Jackson on it

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September 27th, 2011 at 5:10 PM
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It's UNM...

"Only The Brave Coach At UNM...Also Those On Probation"

They just need their own Nevin Shapiro and they are in business. 

 

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September 27th, 2011 at 5:40 PM
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They should hire his father.

They should hire his father. That guy makes me want to run through a wall.

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September 27th, 2011 at 6:51 PM
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I live in Albuquerque and I can't imagine Borges coming here

The situation with the UNM football program is beyond bad. It requires a younger guy who is willing to make peanuts relatively speaking. In other words a coach starting at the very bottom of the food chain of FCS ball with a lot of ambition.

My take? UNM should dump its football program and develop one of the best soccer programs in the country. That may be doable. Football? As I said in a recent post, at times friends ask me to go to games and I tell them that I've already been to high school once in my life.

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September 27th, 2011 at 7:08 PM
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No program is so bad that a

No program is so bad that a great coach can't turn it around.  The challenge is just to find that coach.  UNM needs to find a rising young assistant and hope he turns into a Meyer or Stoops.

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September 27th, 2011 at 7:16 PM
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Sure, but it may well take

Sure, but it may well take three years to get to three wins, depending on how bad the recruiting was.  Any coach who can pull that off would be better off waiting for a better job in the first place.

Florida International is a good example of a horrific program that's been turned around.

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September 27th, 2011 at 9:45 PM
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I understand that Rita likes

I understand that Rita likes the sun, and that Rich is available . . . .

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September 27th, 2011 at 9:46 PM
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Sorry, x2 post

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September 27th, 2011 at 7:28 PM
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CO Blue
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Don't mind me

I got posted in the wrong spot.

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September 28th, 2011 at 7:56 PM
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New Mexico?

No thank you!  Too darn hot.

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September 28th, 2011 at 8:15 PM
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Down the line

Down the line and not anytime in the immediate future, the ideal replacement for Borges whenever he decides he wants to move on seems like it would be Scott Loeffler (once he gets more seasoning and success over at Temple).  And if Loeffler had success as Michigan offensive coordinator it would set him up to succeed Brady Hoke whenever he decided to retire (of course Loeffler might get a head coaching job by then).

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