Probably should have seen this coming... Basketball season in less than four weeks.
alternate headline: man does job
They shouldve been unranked after the Uconn game.
I think it is a bit rough of a fall. It was a bad game to lose, but I still feel better as a fan of UM than NW, Illinois, Iowa, even MSU. Basically, anyone in the conference other than OSU and Wiscy. It was a tough loss on the road to a team that tried to give the game away.
Dude quit being a homer. MSU is way better than us. Some of you people make me laugh. Their D will hold us under 250 total yards and their O is making great strides. To say you feel better about our team than MSU is laughable.
Offense depends on how long we try to establish the things that we are worst at before resorting to doing the things we're best at. Seems like Hoke and Borges like to try at least a half of the former before moving on to the latter.
But, bu...but, but we paid to skywrite Go Blue over their stadium, doesn't that count for anything?!?!
Cartman, is that you?
So happy I am on the same wavelength with someone else hahah!
MSU has beaten the teams they were supposed to beat except for ND. Stating they are a way better is insane.
Their offense has had one solid performance against a defense of repute (Iowa). YSU, IU et. al are not barn burners
This post is so over enthusiastic it feels like a RCMB troll
Hey Dude, totally disagree!
Honestly, I'll believe MSU's offense has made some great strides when they do it against a competent defense; IU's is not one yet, and their play against Iowa was pretty erratic. I'll give you that their defense is great right now, but they still gave up 28 points to IU and I think UM's offense is still pretty potent when they play like they did during that second half.
But whatever, feel free to bitch and moan as much as you want. It's my opinion that MSU has some real issues that they've been able to plaster over playing Iowa and IU. You are well within your right to believe otherwise, but I still think UM will be the better team at the end of the year.
I wish I could actually bet you on this. Borges and Funk will be the reason MSU ends up winning the division and we lose to NW, MSU and Ohio. We will be lucky to reach 8 wins. Be real...
It's good to be a loyal fan, but how do you know you feel better about UM than a State fan does about the Spartans? I bet if you polled the two fanbases right now, MSU's as a whole feels much better about their team than Michigan's fanbase does about their team.
I guess I worded that weirdly. My point is more that for all of MSU's recent "success" against Iowa and IU, they remain a team that could blow a game or revert a bit on offense. I think the ceiling for UM is higher than that of any team in the conference save Wiscy and OSU; when they are on, UM has an extremely solid defense and offense that has proven itself against competent defenses.
I'm sure MSU fans are sky-high right now, but three weeks ago you couldn't throw a rock without hitting some who predicted a losing season after that ND game. UM fans love to complain and bitch because of expectations and all that, but if you had told me the team would be 5-1 with a crazy loss at PSU despite scoring 34 in regulation and 40 overall, I'd still be optimistic.
Michigan team than I am. We are capable of losing to just about anyone (Akron, Ucon, PSU). When we turn the ball over 3 times and average less than 1 yard per carry from the running back position, how can you be hopefull against MSU, OSU, Nebraska, NW or Iowa?
I always feel better about being a Michigan fan than a MSU fan all the time. Plus, I still think we are the better team with the brighter future.
could be in some very serious shit if November goes the way it could.
even if they won in 4 OT's last night.
true which shows u how rankings are a crapchute.
did you just say "crapchute"?
i like it
That could get messy in landing.
coinage. I'm opening mine now.
the good old crapchute.
Deservedly so. And a win against Indiana (iffy, sadly) shouldn't get us back in the Top 25, either.
I figured that much!
If we beat Indiana and beat a 6-1 Sparty, we'll be back in there. Not a moment sooner tho.
if we beat indiana by the spread (11) or so, and a michigan wolverines team that is 7-1 ISN'T ranked, that will be crazy.
think about that...a 7-1 michigan team unranked. yikes
and we are 6-1
Any of you think we are going to beat Indiana? What the fuck are you smoking?
Rankings mean exactly jack shit for this team. They are completely undeserving of any consideration in the top 35 as long as our O line can't block and our coaches play not to lose.
That is a joke of a post.
and I'm smoking some super high quality outdoor grown pacific northwest weed. It's a blueberry hybrid grown by a friend of mine that maintains the wonderful blueberry fruity flavor but with a stronger sativa high than most other blueberry strains.
Further, if yesterday's game had been at home we'd be 6-0 right now. I'd still be bummed at the state of play calling, the O-line, and game managenment but no way PSU wins a game like that on the road.
Did you see them against MSU? Their defense is completely clueless.
No less than they deserve. Hopefully this lights a fire under 'em. But who am I kidding?
Said the same thing after Akron and UCONN... I'm running out of optimism.
as evidenced by them being up 10 last night with PSU facing 3rd and 15. Then the light went out for the coaching staff.
This is justified. But I hate having a team that's not in the top 25. I hate it even more because it's justified.
Wow - good options. You must have a small league. Torrey Smith is my best WR (thanks Julio). My choice this week was Ben Tate or Branden LaFell for my flex.
At least I'll be able to make a short drive to Ford Field to see them in a bowl game. --__--
Does it matter?
Rankings are for selection in the NC and BCS bowls. We don't need to worry about either at this point.
All we can focus on is the Big Ten Championship game. If we win November Legends games, the rankings can't keep us out of it, and if we lose November Legends games, the rankings can't help us.
Right where we belong, finally.
How if Florida still ranked? They have not beaten a single team that is above .500.
Yeah they are the best conference but some of this is self fulfilling prophecy.
This year the PAC12 looks better. The SEC came short in a lot of theri big non conference games. Oregon destroyed a Tenn team that came very close to beating Georgia. Florida lost to Miami. Georgia lost to Clemson. Bama beat a second tier ACC team in VT, but other than that they have no impressive non conference wins.
Until someone other than the SEC wins the NC, the entire SEC will get credit it does not deserve. Hell, I'm surprised Kentucky and Vandy are not ranked in the top 10.
because the SEC pays good money
I'm surprised it took this long.
This I disagree with. Next year we should be much better. We don't lose much and have lots of young talent getting better.
I hear this every year lol. It's a Michigan football "thing".
OK - but some things you can't argue with - we have very few guys we are losing, many who are very young and should improve, and a great recruiting class coming in.
Make a list of who we're losing starting with the hardest to replace, and the list gets iffy after just a few guys. Lewan would be at the top, but we played without him for 2/3 of the game yesterday anyway. And we only have three seniors starters on D, really only 4 on O.
And then think about how much better our young guys will be. Take Kyle Kalis, and think of him a little bigger and stronger, and a lot smarter and more disciplined. Or Chris Wormley who was the bulk of our pass rush yesterday.
I agree with that but my issue is how much these guys are being coached up. Hoke is a great recruiter but I can't honestly say some of the top talent we've pulled in is being coached up as well they should be. Looking at other teams around the country, they have younger guys playing at a high level. How can our O-linemen get mauled by Akron? I dont expect us to be worldbeaters at this point but something is wrong when Akron/Uconns are pushing us around.
He only has 2 recruiting classes on campus. Other teams around the country do not have amount of young players playing significant roles that we do. its one thing to lean on freshmen or sophmore WRs or DBs. Its quite another to do it with O-lineman and D-lineman.
our young talented offensive linemen (not including future top 5 NFL draft, All B1G) can't perform at a level to win battles against Akron and UConn? That's concerning.
Don't count UConn. Although they're not a good team all around, they have a very good defensive line, especially their tackles. We knew that was going to be a bad match up for us. I'll give you Akron, I'm really not sure what the problem was there, but every other team we've struggled with up front has talent there - ND has Tuitt and Nix, Minnesota has Hageman and Penn State has DaQuan Jones (and we were without Bryant and Lewan for much of the game).
I'm not saying our OL isn't a problem, but outside of that we have young players who are playing pretty well for young guys. Unfortunately, they're still young guys.
extend beyond the offensive line (although thats where we are the worst). Everyone critiized RR for not adjusting to the personnel he has. How is that any different for Hoke/Borges in theird third year? Hoke's game management has been shotty since 2011 season. Never once did I question Hoke's abilities and frankly I'm not one to say "Fire Hoke" as I think he needs another year. However, Funk/Borges are not good by any means. They get paid millions and fair/not fair, you get held accountable for results.
There really isn't a position group on the team playing poorly outside of the OL (unless you count QB, which would be hard to argue with). Fewer mistakes from DG and we're undefeated and looking good.
I don't mind Hoke's game management save a few things here and there. I agree with you that Borges needs to be held accountable and I think he needs to be shown the door. I've had patience with him and that's all gone now.
Your HC is always going to be either a defense or offense oriented guy, and whichever he is, he needs an A+ coordinator for the other. We don't have that. We need a Mattison-level OC for this to go as well as we want it to.
I agree with this and thats why to your point, we need to have an offensive coordinator who can hold his own. Borges resume isn't all that impressive. That said, i don't know who would be a good OC to hire.
As far as position groups go, I'd put RB as questionable. To be fair some of it is on OL, but is it 100% on the line? I don't know. On the defense, DL and LB are OK - still seeing missed tackles something Hoke preaches so I would expect this to be better than it is. Secondary in my opinion is a weak link. No position group stands out at me as a strength of this team that other teams will have a hard time gameplanning against.
We're Next Year's Team!!
And always will be.
how is the Oline going to be better losing Lewan and Schofield?
We will have a shaky oline, no proven RB, and no proven WR's next year except maybe Funchess.
The voters were just waiting for us to lose to drop us. Never deserved to be top 25 the way we've been playing
Nor should we be. Our offense should be a lot better than it is. A ton of teams would kill to have the players we have. An Oline with Lewan Schofield and Kalis at another school would be tearing it up. We need a coach to come in and do for our offense what Mattison did for our defense in year one.
Georgia could go 3-9 and end up ranked because, SEC!
It's no big deal. I'm still a fan and will continue to be. I have a good feeling that this team will continue to get better. It doesn't mean we won't lose some games, though.
Georgia?!??!? Seriously??? Get real!! They lost to Clemson and Missouri, almost lost to Tennessee(!!) and beat LSU and S Car whatever. Yet, they are still in the top 15. This is ridiculous!! And Missouri moving up to 14 from unranked?!? Are you fucking kidding me. Miami at 10?? Texas Tech at 16?? OK State at 21? Where's Utah???
Fuck this CFB season. I'm done.
I don't get Mizzou in the top 15. Sure, they beat Georgia, but their QB is done for the regular season. I seriously doubt they're going to be able to do anything the rest of the year.
They lost the season opener at #3 Clemson and had like half the team injured yesterday. They are easily the most impressive two loss team right now. I don't know why Texas Tech is ranked higher than Northern Illinois, but whatever. I guess Texas Tech is located close enough to SEC territory that they must be good.
Rankings are dumb to me right now.
We are in second place in our division. One game at a time, gotta beat IU
We shouldn't be ranked. Anyone think the oline looked better after Lewan went out? And anyone notice how many snaps jmfr had? Seems he had an impact on every play he was out on the field.
Is popping champagne.... lol oh isn't it great to be a wolverine
Snyder and crew just wanted to get rid of Rich Rod and restore Michigan to their rightful place of conservative offense and prevent defenses.
I've read through quite a few of the threads and, just, wow... Anyway, something that is really interesting is that it seems like the % of "we" vs "they" has increased a ton. IE before this game I read a lot of "we really need to..." Now a ton of those are saying "they don't deserve to..." Seriously guy, it took 2 Hail Marys and three misses by our money FG kicker on top of a few extremely questionable calls. The sky isn't falling, that game didn't change my opinion of them at all - high ceiling but capable of letting anyone stay in the game and/or beat us.
The sky isn't falling. People need to get a grip
Agreed. It's amazing how crazy people get after one loss. It's almost like people are fans so that they can complain. Isn't being a fan supposed to be a positive thing? It seems like being a fan is a horrible experience for most of these people.
I love the optimism and wish for more of it on this board as opposed to calling for everyone's head. We are a solid team that is fun to watch but this is the nature of the beast, someone has to win and lose. Lets go Blue and Eat em up Tigers!!
The real loser in this poll is OSU. They don't play one highly ranked team all year.
They never deserved to be considered for the NC anyway. We're just saving everybody time.
Good. We won't have to watch them get crushed in the NC game. We all win.
Well, if you're curious and like numbers, here's how the votes shook out:
16th - 1 vote
18th - 2 votes
19th - 1 vote
20th - 3 votes
21st - 3 votes
22nd - 5 votes
23rd - 6 votes
24th - 4 votes
25th - 6 votes
Unranked - 29 votes
Among those who did rank Michigan, the average position was 22.19, which is 4.76 places lower than the average position last week. For all the 438 votes cast with Michigan on a ballot, our average position on the year is 16.406, down almost 0.5 from last week. Anyway you slice it, quite the tumble.
The one vote for 16 was Drew Sharp
Don't worry, we'll fix that.
One game at a time. Just beat IU.
We're not playing like a top 25 team. The win-loss ratio is about to get much worse come November.
isn't getting enough love
or maybe even Indiana. We turn the ball over more than anyone in the conference, we CANNOT run the ball except for Gardner when a play breaks down. And Gardner accuracy is seriously questionable. Every year since RR arrived, we hear, 'this team is young, wait until 20xx...' Earlier this year we heard this team is young, wait until 2015 and we'll be great. Every class looks great on paper, but they aren't developing into the 'great' teams or players we're told to wait for.
I see 7-5 or 8-4 at best and OSU will be the class of the conference for athe next two years. They keep reloading like Bama and we keep re-building. Sparty has a much better defense and Indiana has a better offense. We are at best middle of the division.
about "middle" of the division
Vegas has Michigan anywhere from a 10.5 to 12 point favourite against Indiana. Guessing they know a lot more than you do.
unless you are rated high early and maintain it. Otherwise, who cares, you are just an also-ran.
Next week, the BCS rankings come out, and they'll change the other rankings based on the outcome of the Fla State-Clemson game.
Does anyone really care whether Nebraska is ranked ahead of Michigan or that MSU hasn't been ranked, when its defense is seemingly the best in the country, but it hasn't played any ranked opponent outside of ND, which it lost to and Michigan beat by 11.
I know this, Michigan will struggle with every team it plays this season, uless something changes. They have no shot at beating MSU in EL unless they upgrade their attitude about succeeding on the road, and playing with an edge and grit. Because the Spartans will be out for blood and they will try to knock them out. That's just the way it is.