Les Miles reportedly to Michigan within the next 48 hours. Radio host put his professionalism on the line in reporting this.
Late Late Night Open Thread
To start with?
Bo Pelini the leading candidate to replace him
To be fair to the host, he didnt put his professionalism on the line, he said he feels that it is going to happen, based on sources, what have you. He did say he thought it was 8 or 9 out of 10.
He also offered to buy the caller a Po' Boy if he was wrong.
Po Boy -- dressed? CUz I might take that action.
Does anyone know what Dandy Don has to say about this situation?
Not Magnus's spot. He's too scary.
I got your back. Hack has your back. Magnus just wasn't a good recruiter for blogging talent. No hard feeling though.
After you already recruited him.
He never showed up to accept the job. You have been faithfully been keeping MGoBoard alive in this chaotic time. Magnus has shown he doesn't care about us.
I think. And much more of a life than me, I'm pretty sure.
M-Wolverine will be replacing Magnus as HC of the MGoBlog all-star coaching staff. Magnus will be relieved of his duties due to his lack of understanding for MGoBlog culture. Farewell Magnus, you will do well on another blog. Welcome aboard M-Wolverine. Everybody please fully support him. We are all in for M-Wolverine.
His posting scheme doesn't fit the blog.
His avatar has been stolen and used more effectively by other posters.
He talks funny.
I heard he banged a chick over at Eleven Warriors.
He shredded Shredder's MSPaints.
And who stole my avatar?
You know, some guy, with like, a post.
Alright, I don't remember, but THEY UNDERSTOOD THE RIVALRIES!
It's the rivalries... ;-)
I think I got a lot of them. It seems every once in a while a wave of negs hits me as someone scrolls through my past posts.
Ha, I should mess him up by switching the color of it. If I recall, the guy who designed it had like 3 versions or so. One breathed fire I think.
Because I hear Magnus is interviewing for the HC job...
I fully support M-Wolverine. It is hard to show full support from Bolivia. There is apparently a daily post limit for those who have been sent to Bolivia.
From Tiger Droppings:
The Brain Trust
Member since Feb 2007
I believe Les is gone. I have never been one to claim I have sources, but I happen to know a guy who works for Michigan State's athletic department that is a former sports writer who covered LSU and then later worked in University of Michigan's athletic department. I got confirmation from him that the deal is done and will be announced on Tuesday officially. Les is gone.
In a Sparty source for Michigan breaking news.
1.) "know a guy"
2.) "who works for Michigan State's athletic department"
3.) "is a former sports writer"
4.) "who covered LSU"
5.) "worked in Michigan's athletic department"
Er, that doesn't scream reliability. Everything from 1-4 indicates unreliability. Number 5 is surely nothing at this point, given that we've had a change in AD and that he currently works at MSU's AD.
10 posts a minute it's impossible to gather anything from this anymore...
I don't know what I feel anymore. I'm just numb. I'll be under a rock. Someone let me know when it's all over!
/yeah right I can't stay away
we'll have les send ya a letter. ;-)
Take the dog for a walk.
anyone in alabama complaining about nick saban's age? I dont think so
dude, who cares how old he is when you have hair that great!
he could give GERG a run for his money, so long as he's got a stuffed beaver to compete.
Fans take turns guarding his statue in front of Bryant Denny. I hate that i live in Tuscaloosa.
Aaaaaaahhh it's raining chicken wings and spicy cajun food!
Is asking about coaches coming with Miles, does anyone know about recruits that might follow?
If any recruits were to follow I would like to see the following:
1. La'el Collins - #1 ranked OT
2. Kenny Hilliard - 6'0" 218lb RB. Reminds me of Brandon Minor.
3. Anthony Johnson - #1 ranked DT.
4. Trai Turner - IIRC he had early interest in Michigan.
5. Jeremy Hill - Another big back, don't know if we have space for him.
"He said, 'They have rumors going around about (me) going to Michigan, but it's not true,'" Jefferson said. "'It's nonsense.' He said hasn't spoken to anybody, anything about Michigan. We're going to stick with that and get ready for next year."
LSU running back Stevan Ridley concurred with Jefferson.
"He told us this is his football team and this is where he's going to be," Ridley said. "We respect our coach, and this is our coach for right now, and we're going to enjoy him as long as we can. Coach Miles is a Tiger. This is his group of guys, and he's proud of us. I think this is where he will be next year."
To the front page.
Miles said he has discussed the rumors with his players. "I told them that I had not had any conversations with Michigan to this point and, if I did, I would communicate with them very effectively," Miles said.
We've got different takes on that conversation.
Yeah, so let's believe the Lousiana's media's version of his discussion, because these guys are not at all sharpening their knives for Les Miles like they were the Detroit Free Press.
If he comes it means he lied to his players. This doesn't sit well with me. What a disaster this has become.
He can say he talked to Michigan, had a change of heart, and decided to go to his alma mater. Plus, we do not know exactly what he told his players.
period. end of story. and people thought RR was slimy. what a frickin joke.
he didnt talk to michigan.
his agent did.
There are now several conflicting reports that some players never heard him say anything about Michigan, so... Who knows.
Also note the "for right now" in one of the quotes.
Here is the TigerDroppings thread where the LSU faithful seem to think he did not say anything definitive and qualified whatever he said with "until further notice":
what the hell is he supposed to say? Oh yeah guise, I just talked to Michigan. If the deal works out, I'm gone, but if not, I'll stay here with you schmucks. Come on now..
These guys are turning my Herbie/Miles 2007 theory upside down. I like these guys!
These guys = WJBO guys from Louisiana.
Haha, yeah those guys were good tonight! Couldn't believe I was listening to a radio station out of Louisiana on a Friday night.
oh oh caller bringing up the outside the lines report on WJBO!
from their commentator regarding les oversigning:
"everybody does it. he just got caught between a rock and a hard spot and the dam broke"
cant make this shit up.
metaphor mangled beyond recognition. now, is that an example of colorful southern diction?
Is it okay to drink after brushing your teeth if its liquor? I would brush my teeth again, but I'm in bed and the bottle of J&B is in arms reach and don't plan to get up again.
not necessary. booze kills the bacteria in the mouth. actually helps!! think of it as tasty mouthwash you can drink.
AWESOME. Not that I need any more excuses to drink during these end times
Brush with the liquor.
Who is your guy now, M-Wolv, now that Patterson, Harbaugh et al. are off the table?
Or anyone equally Saban-y. Like? I've been convinced Gruden might not be a disaster, and could be the splash we need...but don't think it's likely. I actually agree with Brian that Mullen's age is really attractive, especially if we use all that $$$ Brandon is willing to spend on another big time DC. Can almost for sure keep Denard. Actually like him more than Patterson due to age and the fact he's from the north and should have more ties (though I love Patterson's consistent defense). And I think Hoke is a GREAT guy and underrated coach. I just don't think he'd unify the fan base at all right now, so it wouldn't necessarily work for the program or be good for him. Schembechler Hall and the department would give him 110% support though. Just not sure that's enough.
If Brandon goes off the board I could be excited too. But the guy will have my support. You just 1. Can't cheat and 2. Have to think the idea of athletics is to give the student the best experience of their lives. Any guy is going to have to win too; that's just the nature of the beast. But yes, I can live with 8-11 wins, and trying to do things upright, vs. multiple championships in a player farm that cheats.
Hasn't Mullen been pretty much tied-down? I like Gruden too, and think he would clean up recruiting (which, let's face it, is more than half the battle in college football).
The silver bullet that would have unified the fan base sold us out to coach the Detroit Lions West. (Death to the 49ers.) No matter who is hired, some meaningful faction will be mad. Too bad Miles couldn't bring Hoke in as HC in waiting. That would be my vote.
But the fact Mullen did it before we had an opening might mean some leeway.
I'll never understand how something so perfect as Harbaugh coming back now didn't happen. I mean, I think he's kind of an ass, but frankly as downtrodden as our program is now, we don't need a goof like Miles, we need our Spurrier, our arrogant ass who just wins and gets the cocky back in the fanbase (Gruden might be able to do that too). Because when it's gotten so bad that you may prostitute yourself for some wins, the fanbase is shaken. He can be a dick to other coaches as long as he's good to his kids.
The problem with Miles-Hoke (beyond the demotion) is that after Miles is done, Hoke is basically the same age as Miles now. So you're doing it all over again. Might as well get a Hoke now with a Loeffler or Bedford on the staff to groom after him. (Another reason Gruden became appealing...didn't realize he's STILL so young).
So much for going to bed in a timely manner for 7:45 wakeup tomorrow. Oh well, there's always coffee.
Trying to get us a shout out on WJBO...
gonna plug hoke to LSU as well? ;-)
This outrage is why DB screwed this situation up, the entire process is going to recreate the RR atmosphere all over again.
I'm still holding out for all of us rallying around the new hire and moving forward
Internal fighting means the terrorists win.
Don't doubt Les's character.
I was actually chatting during tonight's game with someone who knows him personally.
I wouldn't say that he's a close personal friend, but he is someone Les might just put on a resume' as a reference if he was looking for a job like the rest of us and needed an actual resume'.
I'm not getting any more specific than that.
According to this individual, Les is a good, upstanding guy.
Well, then, I have no more doubts.
grape or fruit punch???
Question: why do you put apostrophes after résumé?
I add an apostrophe because I have no idea how to type the accented vernsion of "e" and I wanted to make an obvious distinction between resume (v) and resume' (n).
While making the first and last "e" accented is preferable, I've always thought an apostrophe after that first "e" makes it look even more silly.
Hoping that explanation satisfies your curiosity, I'll resume my morning internet reading...
So forgive me, I agree that the choice will be Les Miles but why is everybody so down on Brady Hoke? Here is a Guy that WANTS to coach at UM, and seems to be pretty ethical while doing what it takes to be a winner. Bo didn't have the most impressive resume either but we all know what he did.
Bo won more in the Mac than Brady has. I don't think the comparison is apt personally.
......Miami(OH) situation far, far different than Hoke going into Ball State.
Hoke has two program turn-arounds to his credit. If it was only one, then one could believe he just lucked into the situation, but he has two, which is a track record of success.
Uh, Ball State went 4-8 overall and 3-5 in the MAC this year. That's not a turn-around. That's a return to the mean after an aberration.
Bo had two MAC titles, man. I think folks here are not as down on Hoke as Brian's posts on the main page (or maybe I am speaking only for myself).
I'm not saying they have the exact same resume but there were many folks holding up the "Bo Who" signs when Bo was named HC. Keep in mind I live in the cess pool that is Columbus Ohio and whether or not they admit it, they had the same reaction to Jim Tressel-everybody here wanted Glen Mason (and I wish they had gotten him). So like I said forgive me, it was my first post after over a year of membershipo but I wanted to throw my support to Brady Hoke.
Oh God, please, let's go back in time and curse Ohio with Glenn Mason...
You know, I really don't disagree that Hoke could be successful here. He just doesn't have the resume Bo had. Bo was 40-17-3 at Miami (Oh.). I know they are more of a power than Ball State, but still.
Other than my deep, delicious hatred for the 49ers, which has recently thundered out of me, I have been relatively OK with this search once I realized I could live with Hoke.
Is that Hoke wouldn't even be CONSIDERED for the UM coaching gig if he didn't coach at UM as an assistant in the past. If he coached anywhere else (say Iowa or Arizona) he wouldn't even be on long list. I'm sorry, but I'm not impressed by his resume and he would be a Michigan Man hire just for the sake of being a Michigan Man and nothing else...oh wait, he WANTS to coach Michigan! Well so do I, but that doesn't mean I should be the coach! A Brady Hoke hire would make me cry, and kittens would be mass murdered.
when you couldn't really get an idea of who was available or who was being interviewed (or not), so it was kind of like playing Farmville and getting that email alert. "Message from UM: Your coaching search is complete! Click here to find out who it is." (Except you couldn't click, because there was no email and no internets, blah blah blah. Think of it as a metaphor for something, maybe opening the next issue of The Sporting News.)
Now it's all right in front of you. I'm somewhat surprised there isn't an online page tracking all possible candidates and their current contract status, except that a) if it were at a site like ESPN, no one would believe it, because they're posting whatever they hear no matter what the source is (they must have the ombudsman locked in a closet or something), and b) if it were anywhere else, it'd probably take the site down. I'm half expecting to wake up one morning soon and find just two links on the home page, one that says "DONT KNOW YET" and another that leads to pictures of kittens.
This is like if you had job offers in NCAA's online dynasty (IIRC you don't), and you're at the end of the season, and someone has offers that he has to consider, and the commish won't skip anybody's turn, and everyone else is saying "GET ONLINE YOU IDIOT AND TAKE THE OFFER FROM MICHIGAN", and that one guy is off playing Perfect Dark Zero or something. Dude. Accept the offer so we can go from obsessing about who you are to obsessing about this year's record.
Who needs late night open threads when we have live blogs.....? *runs and hides*
Please, I need paint to make things better. I can't upvote, but for the sake of sanity, I need fun MS Paint!
/drunk and tired
I'm all for you and Aquaman getting them running. I want to go to bed at some point. (Didn't anyone else buy the App?)
But can someone who does tell me whether my gut feeling that these guys sound like total assclowns who are just loving the fact that there's zero accountability in sports reporting? They can claim whatever they want, get the hits and exposure since the Les Miles story is very PLAUSIBLE and then just say "oopsie" when it goes away.
I mean, I've seen one denial that was actually plausible (actual players quoted by legit sources) as opposed to a completely anonymous pair of guys who are trying (and failing) to work their own phones.
reporting on sports is a tough gig. sometimes these guys get stuck between a rock and a hard spot and the dam just breaks... cut them some slack.
......I miss Rich.
Because RR had so much, like, success here. Les' SEC and Bowl success speaks for itself. SEC>Big East (obviously)
In terms of morals and scrupples when it comes to getting the job done: RR >> Miles
In terms of success and how that translates to success @ UM: Miles > RR
I'm sorry, but I want to win again, and I want it to be against teams that matter. All in for Miles right now.
Especially with the game against Alabama coming up in two years. Besides, I highly doubt that the LSU hijinks would pass muster here.
credibility of these guys as well. Honestly at this point, I leaning towards the notion that they are throwing crap on the wall and hoping it sticks. Not like they lose much by being wrong.
They're saying it's 80-90% likely. I would've given it 50-50 without any news either way. Les is without a doubt one of the two or three frontrunners. I think it's just an easy preduction to make. If it turns out that nothing happens, oopsie! 20% margin of error. If it does, they've scooped literally every news organizaion in the world. They get tons of credibility and sell tons of ads.
It sucks that I can't trust them becase I definitely want Miles.
Freak.... Brian is not alone.... I'd rather have Hoke than Miles. :(
TigerDroppings folks are cooling on the speculation now with all the players coming out. Some still believe that Les' choice words allow for him to claim he was contacted over the weekend and then leave on Monday or Tuesday. Wacky and tinfoil-hatty, but at this point, who really knows.
How much did DB spend on his "outsourcing firm" to contact two guys? Good move DB.
No joke. I could tell him to call Les Miles and Gary patterson for a hell of a lot cheaper.
all Mike Singletary's fault. If he had won a couple more games in a crap division, we wouldn't be in this mess now.
I think it will come down to Miles or Hoke. Both coaches have Michigan ties.
I like the fact that Hoke states that the UM job is his dream job, and I think he will try his best to get Michigan back to it's winning ways. He will run a clean program and take care of his student athletes. The downside is that his record as HC is not the greatest. He will change our offense to a pro set and we may lose DROB and our other spread offensive players. It may take him longer to rebuild UM back to a team capable of challenging for the b10 title.
Miles is 5 years older than Hoke but seems to have a lot of drive for his age. He's a great recruiter and will go after Tressel on and off the field! The big draw back is that he doesn't treat his student athletes as well, but that could change if he heads to Michigan. I think he would keep more of the spread offense given the players we already have here. We may compete faster for the b10 title. Even if he retires in 5 to 10 years, he should fill the cup board quite well, possibly for JH after his NFL stint is over!
I wish there were other choices but I'm beginning to think it is going to be one of these two.
That sounds a lot like why Maryland's AD hired Randy Edsall as the new head coach, and Edsall has a hell of a lot better résumé than Hoke does.
If this shit doesn't go down, what the fuck will happen? I honestly think someone will get killed.
Whats Bobby Bowden doing these days?
Tracking down Peggy.
He isn't that old to track Peggy down.
"I'm not too old to find you, son."
Not sure what the problem is with having charges to a cat emporium. We've all had one of those weekends.
I am deeply offended!
You know Bowden is a fan of lol catz.
In a disturbing way though
I kept expecting one of those excessively numerous periods to turn into a question mark to no avail. I think this is what you were going for: '?'.
is when you've got to let it all hang out.
Against my better judgement, because we seem to have a ton of new posters (lockdown time?) that think Michigan should go old SMU/Miami style win at all costs
Come on. He's not John Calipari. And given that we're on probation as it is, we don't really have a leg to stand on.
I've never seen our fanbase be this so kneejerk dramatic about anything. It's amazing, from Brian on down.
Who wrote a long post on how the sanctions against U-M were the saddest day in Michigan history, but worrying about dumping students because I signed too many is "drama".
Every single candidate, aside from JH, has gotten the same treatment from pretty much everyone here. The sky is falling, DB is suddenly an incompetent idiot, etc.
Everything is going to be just fine.
Everything is going to be just fine.
No matter how many times I say this to myself, it feels like I'm lying.
It's hard not to reach that conclusion when Michigan's athletic department looks it's being run by an incompetent idiot. The program looks absolutely foolish right now, for everyone to see, for the second time in four years, under a second consecutive AD, and this is all happening because of Dave Brandon's decisions. Nobody else's. Even if he reveals a master plan, it won't erase the period in which we looked like morons for the whole country to mock. That's not good for the brand. DB screwed up, and his frantic efforts to make it better aren't working.
Still, I hope you're right that it will all be fine.
Have you seen some of the posts tonight? All the "don't be naive, it's all about winning" stuff that has been all over the place?
I called it.
when Michigan gets Les and then blows a game in the last minute by trying to run 9 new guys on the field?
Then it'll be the last time we've lost a game in the fourth quarter since 2009.
being in our losses until the last minute would be a nice change, wouldn't it?
If we win a national championship and have four or more 11-win seasons in six years, I promise to let the game he blows due to poor clock management slide.
The end of the Tennessee game this year was almost as scary as our kicking game
Whats the real word on Gruden?
Gruden said "haha, I'm not interested in coaching again, although michigan's a sweet gig". Paraphrasing.
The rumor mill said "HE LAUGHED BEFORE HE SAID THAT AND I'M PRETTY SURE HE HAD HIS FINGERS CROSSED WHICH MEANS ITS OPPOSITE DAY HERE HE COMES BABY WOOO".
DId he really say that? Both his son and dad have mentioned in interviews that he is coming back to coaching in the next couple years - but that's obviously doesn't mean he is coming here
Can't remember where I read the exact quote... I've read waaaay too much about football coaches today. It's not that he said he'll never coach again, just that he's not interested right now. He said something like he was glad michigan hasn't contacted him because he'd be tempted, but no. So you see the wiggle room people are latching onto and blowing up.
Other than casual mentions he has not really been brought up. Likely will wait for the right NFL job within the next year or two, but I think he would be a grand slam.
Our fanbase seems to have a really special obsession with guys that look like they're pinching one off on the sidelines.
For those of you wanting to believe in them, just so you know, I left their "station" tuned in after the show about Les leaving for UM ended. They are now talking about the existence of real-life were-wolves. So, you know, grain of salt. Big grains.
Maybe the werewolves are the station's sources?
I've heard rumors that Tony Dungy may be interested! He grew up in Michigan and was a Michigan fan. May be he would like to give a shot at coaching a major college team? I'd take Tony over Gruden if we were going to look at former NFL coaches!
Dungy is done coaching.
Hey's 3 years younger than Miles!
He doesn't want to coach anymore. All of these ex-coaches that have made the move to TV love their new gig, Dungy and Gruden included.
Dungy said yesterday that he wasn't interested.
Brian is still focused, (See front-page Les Miles update to his original Les Miles entry from a bit earlier). But I wonder if he's losing enthusiasm for this blog. It's just a bit weird to be unable to post or even posbang. He's expressed exasperation at our comments in the past. And now, as I reach half-past-asleep, I'm having hallucinations that I'm under a dreamlike martial law.
I doubt he'd ever officially say "Fuck this!" But we might be reading more of Tim (nothing wrong with that). And Brian might find another outlet to supplement what he's done so well at mgoblog.
I mean, the guy hated the idea of Brady Hoke. And now he's saying he'd rather have Hoke over Smiles. Odds are climbing that it'll be one of them, no matter what Les told his players.
This may not end well.
Brian may not like who the new coach is, but once the new staff is installed he can start thinking about the players and the X's and O's part of it. If they start winning, he can talk about that. He doesn't ever have to necessarily like the people in charge, but that may give him plenty to write about.
After all, there were tons of people in the media who have made a damn fine living lately who seemed to dislike Michigan's head coach. Brian I imagine will be fair about it, and at least he's honest.
So he'll be pissed for a while. Hell, we all will be. But we are all Michigan fans and we will dive into the team (the team, the team).
And in fact, I remember him saying three years ago that while he was happy with the RR hire, he didn't think he'd root for the guy on a personal level the way he did for Carr. Obviously, that seemed to change.
Brian is just down that JH is not coming to AA! It's like a major dong punch! If DB knew this he should have kept RR! Hello Brady Hoke and several more years of rebuilding!
He said it at the press conference. He knew it.
I have heard rumors that I'm interested in the job because I'm an alum and someone who has occasional success playing NCAA 10. People just aren't sure that I understand the OSU rivalry because I have never seen Michigan beat them.
I tunrned UM into a Pro O and 4-2-5 D in one season. 13-0 baby.
"I dont think DB is dumb enough to hire a man who turned us down in the past. Hoke might not be the best option, but at least he wants to be here."
He didn't... He actually called us and we never returned his phone calls.
when you look at the amount of talent LSU has, a monkey could/has lead them to 11-2. Coaches, in general, are overrated. you're only as good as the talent on your team.
Right. It wasn't Miles, it was the general manager who assembled that roster. Good thing LSU had all those #1 draft picks.
I've always really respected you, JMBlue. It's sad to see you've talked yourself into this "GOTTA GET THE BEST NAME OUT THERE, GOTTA WIN TEN GAMES AGAIN ZOMG" idea.
Miles is able to recruit based on LSU's cachet and location. He gets first pick of every kid in Louisiana and then anyone who wants to play for a top 10 SEC school. And that cachet was built not by him, but by Saban. Who, incidentally, recruited every single starter on his fluke 2 loss natty championships team.
So on the one hand, Miles' recruiting can be written off as being all Louisiana front-running, and not worthy of respect (even though two years of his recruits were on the 2007 team). But on the other hand, Saban's recruiting was magic, and enabled Miles' MNCsuccess *over three years* after Saban left. No matter how you cut it, Saban and Miles won the same number of titles at LSU. On top of that, Miles (62-17) has a MUCH better record than Saban (48-16) at LSU.
I know your larger point is to besmirch Miles' character, but don't go distorting his coaching record.
I suppose that also explains how LSU beat Alabama this year.
you're confirming that LM is an excellent recruiter? I fail to see your point. RR is a good coach, there's no denying that. But lack of attention to defensive and special teams problems ultimately led to his firing. It just didn't work in the B1G.
Anyone who supports Les Miles for this job is an egomaniac who has no care or concern for the university, it's integrity, or the player's well being as long as they can brag to their co-workers on Monday morning. I think it's tragic that our fanbase is so willing to turn their back on any sense of morality and values just because they think it might win us more games.
I will support anyone in this job except for Les Miles.
How does over-recruiting equal no morality or values?
You may want to step off your high horse before you fall off...
pulling schollies? oversigning? possible infidelity with a co worker wife? that's all lack of morals and values in my book.
Yeah, what's morally wrong about promising an 18 year old a scholarship when you know perfectly well that there isn't one available for him? Or how about forcing a junior out of school so you can make room for your new 5 star? Nope, all totally kosher.
Seriously, I hope you guys are happy with yourselves. Hopefully now that we're as scummy and scum gets, we can drop the fabled Michigan arrogance.
So do the recruits that de-commit or transfer from a school have terrible morals?
Will end the thread for "me" tonight. Because that's what I've been saying. So I'll go to bed and hope for one more "coach rumored to take the Michigan job is off the table" story to awake to, and then get this stuff finalized so I can have a life again.
You sir are the egomaniac for thinking you are all knowing. The truth is no one knows exactly what will and won't work. It is all a crap shoot and generalizing all the fans into a single idiotic statement is a waste of time sir.
This is it.
Bill Stewart it is.
Then he can be depended upon to keep Les on a short leash and cure him of his SEC ways. We can't have it both ways. The guy - Miles, in this case - actually played under Bo. But now he's not a Michigan man? We're going to disown him? Who do we get, the Pope? I mean, I know he wears a helmet, but he's not very experienced.
Admittedly, that Les has pulled some shady sh*t, but grab him as a coach and supervise him well.
And, as I've said a bunch of times since finally joining the board tonight, if he can't drag himself up to meet the high standards that PRODUCED HIM, then in two or three years, we can bring in Brady Hoke, who some, but not all of us, think will have proven himself worthy of the job (in terms of ability to win games, at least) by that time. As of right now, in my opinion, as a sub-500 coach, he simply has not.
Admittedly, that Les has pulled some shady sh*t, but grab him as a coach and supervise him well.
Okay, I get it: Les Miles = Shady/Slimey/Sketchy/Immoral...blahblahblah. Whatever he has done at LSU in the SEC does not mean it will be carried over into the B10. Remember, traits and trends do not always carry over into other coaching gigs (see: RR success in Big East =/= RR success in B10).
If Les Miles is hired, I will support him, but I will also look to the athletic department to make sure the program is run with integrity like it always has. Do you really think DB wants Les Miles running rampant with retracted scholarships and grayshirts, etc. when the media nearly shat itself ten times over because of 20 minutes extra practice? HELL NO! That shit simply won'y fly, IMO.
Whatever, I could be wrong.And sure,maybe this is just me trying to rationalize, but we've been through about 3 or 4 big name coaches that could have been here in the last 48 hours but went to greener pastures/decided it wasn't worth it to leave, and if it's down to Les Miles and Hoke, then Hello: Les Miles!
I think Les could be successful with the talent we currently have and could prove to be a good "5 year plan" type of coach. After that, maybe Hoke could be next--he certainly hasnt won big games yet like Les has. Let Hoke keep working his way up like Les did--if he is really that good then time will tell and we'll welcome him with open arms.
( I also think Les would know how to utilize Denard--he did recruit Russell Shepard after all)
Bring Les aboard and lets start kicking some Buckeye a$$. Yo.
Russ Shepard, who RR thought was among the most talented and potential-filled QB propspects he had ever seen, is now a WR at LSU. That's not exactly a great utilization of a talent that was widely regarded as much better than Denard.
Also, Hoke is FIVE YEARS younger than Miles. Loeffler makes about a billion times more sense than Hoke as a HC in waiting, especially since Loeffler isn;t already, you know, a head coach somewhere else.
On-field success is not the same as integrity. Success on the field is the product of many things and is often unpredictable. Integrity is the product of one thing -- the quality of the individual in question -- and is highly predictable. Miles would bring his lack of character to this program and leave a darker, more sinister mark than RR's on-field travesties.
That's a bit of a stretch, don't you think? Sinister? I'm not going to sit here and pretend the guy isn't without flaws and some character issues, but the man hasn't coached one down at UM and you already have him placing a black mark on the program.
Anyone who supports Les Miles for this job is an egomaniac who has no care or concern for the university, it's integrity, or the player's well being
Are you prepared to say that about Mary Sue Coleman and David Brandon? Or do you think they'll hold their noses at the press conference if he's hired?
I'd be prepared to say that David Brandon is clearly a coporate asshat whose only concern is how much cash we can make on Arby's cups and FOX robot dolls and that he would gladly take 10 wins the wrong way over 8 wins honestly.
MSC has no say so I'm just going to ignore that.
Given that she's DB's boss, I find your contention that she "has no say" interesting.
Mary Sue Coleman has a lot more important shit on her plate than who coaches the football team. She's running a billion dollar institution (plus two satellite institutions)... plus, it's pretty well known she has no interest in or knowledge of football. If Dave Brandon tells her he's found someone, she'll sign off. Just like she would with any other prospective employee in any other department of the university.
This world where MSC is pushing for Ferentz or holding a grudge against Harbaugh is pure fantasy... the product of the imaginations of people who have no idea what a university president actually does.
This line of questioning is completely absurd.
True that Brodie. Les Miles' time has come and gone. He's the real deal dirty that a ton of folks just thought RR was.
True that Brodie. Les Miles' time has come and gone. He's the real deal dirty that a ton of folks just thought RR was.
but I could deal with Miles if he is named coach.
I think too much is made of Hoke's career record on the surface and not very many are putting that record in context with where the two programs he's coached were at prior to him. Some of these posters really need to do their homework on the candidates before they let loose with their words of wisdom.
As for the "hired guns" that people continue to bring up, we are Michigan, not The U or any other sleazy program that engages in a win-at-all-costs mentality. If that is what you want, then go root for Alabama or USC, or get away from the college game altogether and stick with the NFL.
P.S. And get off my lawn!!!
"Hired Guns?" Is that what all coaches are? Let see some BCS-eligible football program pay their coaches living expenses and a small salary instead of the millions of dollars they get and see how many don't start calling their agents to find other jobs.
That "mentality" that you speak of is everywhere. It's all about winning and losing. This is about the corporatization of college sports. Otherwise, Lloyd Carr may still be coach. Or Rich Rod for that matter and we wouldn't have hundreds or thousand of blog entries about who is going the next head coach.
You can't say Rich Rod deserved to be fired because of his win-loss record and then in the same breath say that winning doesn't matter. Brandon said it himself in his press conference. This was not about Rich Rod not being a good person, it was about him not winning games, and more than that, not winning enough "red-letter" games. Miles has a better record of winning games than Hoke, certainly, and the "SEC behavior" can be managed.
......what I mean by the term "hired guns"? Probably not. Someone wanting a coach like, say, Saban for instance, is wanting a "hired gun" to get the program winning again. Saban wouldn't care about UM itself, or the traditions, or anything unique to Michigan. He'd care about winning, and as he has shown at Alabama, winning at any cost. Mullen is another that people bring up that I would consider a "hired gun". Urban Meyer is definitely another.
Neither Harbaugh, nor Miles would be considered a "hired gun" because they have both publicly stated their desires, at one time or another, to become UM's HC and that it was their dream job. The same with Hoke.
It all comes down to whether or not the coach wants to be the HC at UM, because it is UM and they wish to be a part of the tradition and history and genuinely love the school, or whether they only come in because the money is good and they are looking for another notch in their belt.
Some of the fans posting here recently bring up nearly everyone under the sun and claim a wishlist of those people. Not me. Nor for any of the fans who truly understand the history of the program and the school.
FWIW the Dominos airplane is now in Vegas. WHO COULD IT BE?!?!
The past three years have been disappointing. Extremely disappointing. We became just like every other program in the nation. At some point, we were going to stink. But we didn't think it would be long, or that it would play out like this. But for most programs it has. They started with a bad hire, paniced, and made another bad hire. Look at Oklahoma post Switzer. Gibbs was meh, then Schnellenberger (disaster) and and can't even remember the name of the guy between Schnelly and Stoops.
Think about USC post Robinson, Act 1. Ted Tollner (bad), Larry Smith (great guy, okay coach - not good enough for USC). Then Robinson part 2 (like most sequels disappointing), then Hackett (yuck), then Carrol by dumb luck.
Consider Texas and the up and downs from post Darryl Royal to Mack Brown. Fred Akers had good seasons, but then McWilliams and Mackovic essentially stunk up the joint. That was nearly 18 years of mediocre texas football.
Nebraska was a machine from Devaney to Osborne. Solich was never the same, but the game changed drastically too. But then they made the switch that maybe should have warned us about a drastic change - Callahan. Hoke's Ball St team nearly beat them at home. Even under Pelini, it still isn't the same. Better, but not Osborne dominance.
Alabama - wow - that has been an up and down sh1t show after Bear. The only one that was really solid was Stallings, and even then wanted to string him up at times, and he won a National title there. It wasn't until Saban that they got it right. That's a long time even if you delete the Stalling years.
Washington post Don James has been a mess (save one good season under Neuhisal).
I wanted Jim Harbaugh to come back to Michigan. He seemed to be a great fit. Smart, former Michigan hero. Solid NFL career. Charismatic. Cared about his athletes, worked with smart, student-athletes (get ready to deal with all those SEC football players in the NFL - good luck with that), and even deflected to them in post game interviews. But he had other aspirations, and hey, when your nobody brother is having success in the NFL, I can't see why he wouldn't try it.
We've believed this is the best job in the nation, much like Notre Dame fans. It was once. But we killed it with our bickering and unwillingness to accept an outsider. Rich Rod was brought in to implement the same type of up-tempo, fast paced, spread and shred offenses similar to the ones that kicked our ass on the way to and 0-2 start in 2007. You can't stop a running quarterback - go out and get one. We were going to drop 50 on teams like nothing and roll up points and have exciting football devoid of artillery shell quarterbacks and middle screens on 3rd and 15.
But at every turn we miss-used the term Michigan Man. The only man that probably cringes more than RR when that term is used is Frieder. Rich Rod tried the best he could and we just ripped him up. I don't care about how his wife looked, the southern twang, the same phrases at the press conferences. HIS QUARTERBACKS YEAR ONE WERE NICK SHERIDAN, STEVEN THREAT AND THE NOTORIOUS C.O.N.E. You try to win with that.
Miles was never coming. In the summer of 2007 I was in New Orleans and met a number of LSU alumni and boosters. Nice guys, and I have pictures of them with Les Miles at a crawfish boil (y'all need to do that at least once: crawfish, beer, socializing, beer, cocktails, beer, crawfish, friends, beer ... you get the idea). I realized that there was NO way he'd ever leave. Sure, they were hard, but in reality, passionate fan base, unpretentious, fertile recruiting ground - why leave? Bo was dead at this point. Maybe if Bo was still alive he'd feel obligated to kiss the ring and come back (if Bo wanted him back - there was that trip Bo made to Baton Rouge shortly after the Jai Eugene incident - if that rumor's true). He was gone.
Hoke want's the Michigan job. So does Mike Hart. I'm glad he's passionate about the job. But is Hoke ready. Is he better than Rich Rod? is he really that f'ing stupid to not use the most dangerous weapon in college football? If he doesn't adapt to use DRob, he's dumb and shouldn't be hired. Period. End of discussion.
So Harbaugh signed the contract. Donovan left the Magic and returned days later to Florida. Dakich returned to BG after having been at WVU a few days. Cremens turned down his alma mater to stay at GT after initially leaving. Okay, it's all basketball and Jim is an arrogent prick and considers himself first (and I'm not saying it as a bad thing). He's gone. Dreams die, just like your first marriage. Damn, this is depressing.
What if Ball St. hired Bielema instead of Hoke? What if Wannstache doesn't have his Pitt players hurt Pat White's thumb? What if Gary Pinkel finally one a big game? Crable why did you have to have a late hit on Troy Smith?!? Damn you! Well, at least no one is calling for Ferentz or Schiano this time around.
So why not plead with Chip Kelly to come. Yeah, screw Phil Knight. It's freakin' Oregon. No one respects that school. Michigan - college football blue blood. Screw that - Michigan - Denard Robinson. That would be amazing. Pipe dream, I know. Where is our Tressel at?
Ladies and Gentlemen, I'm a man, I'm forty - I introduce Mike Gundy?
On second thought, I'm all in for Brady Hoke. <sigh>
Pretty sure it was Michigan who spurned Miles the first time around, not vice versa. See, e.g., http://blog.mlive.com/
LC was leaving soon regardless of the result of the 2006 game. Were things otherwise, LC would still be coaching, and we'd still be living the Pax Schembechlera.
Miles will be Michigan's coach byMonday. I've never been so sure of anything.
To BKFinest it?
I think that dude is going to use Brians free point/username transfer for al the RR names, I haven't seen him since.
And the more I think about the situation, I agree.
This guy fucking walks. I've never been more certain of anything in my life!
great post--was with you all the way until the "all in for Brady Hoke" part.
I'd like Mile's experience over that of Hoke, what if Hoke brought Loeffler, kept Barwis, re-hired Fred Jackson and hired a killer DC--that might work, right????
Maybe its just the tequila and Pearl beer, but this just doesnt feel as desperate as the old Haloscan days of MGoBlog during Coach Search #1 (the scars of which I still bear in my cotton pickin' maize and blue heart).
Funny how 3 years later and we all are dreading the candidate we were once begging for.
Seriously though, I think Les would be a good fit because unlike Hoke, he'll adapt to our personnel. We'll still have denard as QB running a spread but can transition back to smash mouth football and strong defensive teams.
Is he ideal for me? No. Do I think he's a 20 year coach for us? No. But no one is these days, and I think he can restore us back to prominence and them maybe JH will be sick of the NFL and come home? (I can dream)
You were begging for him. We weren't. Please don't confuse MGoBloggers for the rabble... though, admittedly, that distinction has waned in the past 3 years, so I can't blame you entirely for being confused.
You guys are missing the big picture here. By trading Harbaugh for Miles, DB has succeeded in avoiding the horror of stickers on our glorious winged helmets.
Of upvoting. Please make a mental note of this +1. Thank you.
My friends and I talked to two nice girls on chatroulette for 2 hours and didn't know how to part ways so we showed them my dick and facebook stalked them.
I am ambivalent about Miles. Same with Hoke. The problem is that you can't predict the future. You would hate to miss out on Hoke if he turns out to be a great coach. Hoke's current resume is better than Harbaugh's was at the time we hired RR. Harbaugh wasn't even considered at the time, and now, he won't be coming here despite us desperately wanting/needing him.
Maybe Hoke will be more qualified a few years down the road when Miles retires?
I think, of the coaches available, Miles gives you the best chance of winning. I think he's he best choice within the situation that's been presented.
I don't think people will be pissed off about his hiring, and if he doesn't work out, Hoke will be out there for us for a while. I really don't think he's just going to turn into Harbaugh in two or three years The odds against are just too great.
In 37 years I have never had a drop of alcohol. This whole thing makes me want to start drinking.
Glenlivet 18 here.
And I believe we're in for a surprise...We're poaching Bob Stoops. He's announced on Tuesday. Woo hoo...
That Stoops actually contacted DB. They may meet on Monday! Bo Peneli is another interested coach even though he brushed it off. May be another Bo in our future? Don't be surprised if we end up with a top coach by the end of next week. More coaches want to coach at Michigan than anyone realizes. I think we will all be surprised by who ends up here, and it most likely will not be Hoke or Miles!
any links to where you heard that from? very curious....
from my doctoral studies days in the early 90s at OU. Stoops would like to move up from what I've been told. I don't think Michigan is interested in him. So I doubt it will happen.
well if your friend is correct, DB needs to get interested in him!
Get out of your...(wait for it)...STOOPER! Ba-dum-ching! I'll be here all night.
Brandon loses all credibility with a Miles hire. The guy is too dirty, too old, and DRob will probably be leave.
Better chance of keeping DROB with Miles than Hoke, Mr. "Basketball on Grass Is for Pansises."
"Confucius says fire coach and all best players be leave"
Oh, and Brandon has already lost credibility with his dragging out RR's firing. Now he's clearly concerned with something more important than his credibility: Michigan's viability as a major football program.
I wonder if our bickering is similar to what the Cardinals endure prior to sending up that white smoke plume???
(except I doubt if they are half-bombed at the time)
Ouch, 6.5 years.
I had a Buckeye tell me once he could do a year standing on his head--true story. Same dude also told me "ya'all got nothing to play for, best to let us all win to get to the national championship" that was 1995 shortly before the Tim's miracle massacre.
6.5 is another story--it'll go fast for us, you be assured of that.
Wait, what? +1 for late night randomness.
Here are our some of our late night LSU counterparts musings. I hear us in many of these.
"Les Miles is LSU's winningest coach(win %). Why would we ever fire him? He has basically earned the ability to retire here if he likes. All this whining about his contract is just stupid. His success dictates a top salary." [Let him go! We will not let you go! Let him go!]
"Clearly whether Miles leaves or not all comes down to one thing: Is the grass greener on the other side? A man's gotta eat." [hilarious]
"Personally, I think it is a ploy by Miles' camp to get a better deal from LSU..." [oooh, the conspiracist]
"You can hold onto 2005-2007 as much as you want, it doesn't erase 8-5 and 9-4." [But he gave us 1997; yes, but also "The Horror"]
It's so funny that an army of people are willing to slaughter Brady Hoke based entirely on Brian's unflattering opinion of him (which was largely formed 3 years ago, before Hoke had done anything of note), yet Brian's even lower opinion of Miles is dismissed by so many.
Did you ever stop to think that people are capable of parsing others opinions in order to form their own? Perhaps people have decided, for whatever reason, that Brian's is not the only opinion that matters to them?
I, for one, find Hoke to be distasteful as a candidate for a clear lack of evidence supporting his ability to win football games as Head Coach of Michigan. He has done nothing of significance at a major program as a HC, selected a questionable lateral move to SDSU and met some success there, and perhaps wants this job TOO much. Also, his notion of the spread being "basketball on grass" leads me to believe he is capable of Oregon and "The Horror" debacles.
Miles has proven conclusively that he can coach at a high level in two major conferences. He has the capability to coach spread-type players. He wins a lot of football games in "TEH ESS EEE CEE." He beat Ohio State to win a MNC.
Does he have flaws? Sure, all coaches do. But the major, institutional issues can and will be dealt with by a program terrified of more NCAA sanctions. He will not be allowed to oversign like he did at LSU. Furthermore, I believe Miles wants the job, but will not debase himself like Hoke will. A true Michigan Man, from what I've seen, will not demean himself even to further the institution. This includes making it clear you'd basically cuckold yourself for the program like Hoke has.
People seem to be confused about the nature of integrity, and that's a bit alarming.
The notion that DB can "reign in" a guy like Miles, a liar-cheater-thief type, is absurd. We can be like OSU and keep it under the radar perhaps, but then we are no better. A 60 year old guy is probably not going to have a true change of heart. So, he won't oversign, but he will find some other way to cheat the players, lie to them, or steal from their future opportunities. The possibilities are endless, and slime like that will find a way to seep into whatever cracks the system presents.
Because competing in the SEC is really possible without getting a little dirty. Right.
IF we get Miles, there's a good chance that he could right the ship under his watch. And perchance, in this time, Mr. Harbaugh could learn some humility after getting shellacked in the NFL, come to his senses and retire at Michigan when Miles' time is done. We deserve some good luck karma from the Angry Michigan Coach Search Hating God.
This came from his mouth to my ears.
Commented during the game last night: He is amazed that just because a coach may have some ties to the school, that we (Michigan) would assume he would have a interest in returning. He loves LSU and has no interest in leaving where he is LSU. ( not rumor) he said this during the game.
No Way do we want Les Miles as our next coach.
You obviously missed all the stuff after the game where he was as vague and nonchalant about staying at LSU as you could possibly imagine.
The fact that he would say both -- that he would be both definitive and nebulous about the same issue in the same night, and potentially forsaking his original, definitive stance -- should disqualify him from consideration.
When I heard it I had to rewind my dvr and listen again.
I also ready an article yesterday regarding DB, and how discreet he is being, in the article writer was a little surprised that he was able to pull off the secrecy of what is actually going on. We know he is going to hire a very good coach for Michigan Coach.
We all just need to be patient.
Because you didn't get instant gratification at the expense of his team during a game he should be disqualified. I'm glad you're not heading the coaching search.
I was listening to the comments and was put off by them. I can think of a 100 ways he could have conducted the interview without making the comments that he made. Saying that just because he has past ties with Michigan, we would assume that he has an interest is going a little beyond.
I was replying to the previous poster, not you. Sorry for any misunderstanding.
Les Miles made it clear during the game last night that he is very happy where he is.
Even if things don't work out for Harbaugh in the NFL, I am hoping that by the time that Michigan has a good coach. I would hate to think that we would still be in Limbo.
Guh. Hoke? Miles? And apparently Harbaugh was never much of a viable option;
I'm getting more and more nervous that come sometime, oh, maybe the middle of October, we'll be wondering what the hell is going on, and wondering (waxing and waning) what RR could've done with 1 more year.
Looking at the ads on mgoblog, i.e. lowermybills.com; what the hell does the hot blonde have to do with paying too much for auto insurance?
I was flipping through the sport channels the other day when I saw C. Woodson on Rome is Burning, since it was Charles I stopped and mush mouth was asking him on UM/ CC and he said if UM couldn’t get JH he would be happy with Hoke.
Glenn Steel gave his endorsement, there was one other former player I can’t recall but not too shabby on former player endorsement.
Link to article San Diego regarding Brady Hoke: http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/jan/07/agent-sdsus-hoke-cant-say...
Back...and to the left.
Get it? “Magic Bullet” theory from JFK, Ah fuck it’s too early for this. Morning all that are awake, I hope one of you has an iPhone to start a new thread soon. I do not like the post-apocalyptic MgoBlog we need a coach so we can return to normal damn it.
They were speculating yesterday that UM has a shot at JOHN Harbaugh and staff if they lost to KC. No Idea where they got this gem from but they were going on about John, Cam Cameron, Greg Mattison and Andy Moeller.