into spaces that he shouldn't because the Lions only have one good WR.
The guy is 24.He is on track for 4800 yds passing. Give him time and healthy receivers and he will produce big numbers again.
The defense, however, is atrocious.
into spaces that he shouldn't because the Lions only have one good WR.
The guy is 24.He is on track for 4800 yds passing. Give him time and healthy receivers and he will produce big numbers again.
The defense, however, is atrocious.
Stafford is highly overrated! He puts up useless stats when the game doesn't matter...(see every game this year)!
Our only hope is that he is only 24 and will get better in more meaningful spots of the game.
Were the 5000 yards he put up last year "useless stats when the game didn't matter"? They've lost five games this year by one score, while scoring more points in the 4th quarter than any other team in the nfl. I don't call those useless stats.
Stafford is throwing to an all-pro and 3 other guys who don't belong on the field.
The defense is pitiful.
And Scheffler sucks.
Explain the Marino remark. Stafford can only hope to be uttered in the same sentence as Marino when all is said and done. No Superbowls, true, nut he is regarded by many as one of the greatest passers to play the game.
Marino had no Super Bowl wins - he was in XIX, lost to SF.
Also had 8 playoff wins (10 losses). Still have yet to see the Lions win a 2nd playoff game in my lifetime.
They beat the Broncos last year, which was a playoff team. They also beat two 8-8 teams last year that, if not for the loss to the Lions, would have had winning records. This year, they beat the Seahawks. I get that the Lions aren't good, but the overreactions are unbearable. They've lost 7 games this year by an average score of 4.6 points. They have a lot of room for improvement, but quarterback is not one of them.
The Lions had the Colts, Texans, and Packers(@ home) beat. Unfortuantely, their shit defense collapsed just their special teams did versus Tennessee and the Minnesota game at home.
The offense has cotnributed its fair share with all the picks 6s and fumble returns for touchdowns, but the leitmotif of this season is the crummy defense and poor discipline.
Stafford has lead the Lions to numerous come-from-behind wins in his career. He has three such games this year alone. His stats do NOT come when the game does not matter. In fact, in only four games have the Lions trailed by 10 pts or more this season. Their largest deficit has been 17.
He is throwing to Calvin, who is consistantly double or triple covered, Pettigrew, who drops just about everything that is thrown at him, Durham, an undrafted receiver out of Georgia. Titus Young and Burleson out and lacking anything resembling a run game, he has to force the ball. Plus the defense routinely gives up 30-40 points so that is quite a bit of pressure on a guy who is essentially a 2nd year quarterback because of injury.
No Young, Burleson,Petitigrew or Broyles. That's basically 80% of the Lions receiving corps.
4800 yards IS big numbers. His TD numbers are down this year, but I think that's Linehan as much as anything.
Stafford has silly physical talent, but I've never seen a QB throw more passes off his back foot. He's got such a good arm that he can get away with it a lot of the time, and he might be doing that because his line is atrocious, but if the Lions get a good QB coach who can teach him proper technique, he could be something special.
Right now, his form looks like Jeff George. With his arm, he could be Marino.
Well at least they will receive a good draft pick, hopefully a CB
No they won't, you just know they're going to beat the Bears and drop their draft pick from 4th to like 11th or something like that
Manti or DE.
As much as I have Notre Dame, I'd love to see Te'o on the Lions next year. Like to see them go Eric Reid out of LSU in the second round because Spivey is terrible and Delmas can't stay healthy. Hopefully Bill Bently can recover from that injury and be good.
Milliner might be worthy of a top 10 pick, if they pick Te'o where do they play him? They have Tulloch anchoring that spot and Te'o has never been anywhere on the outside.
Teo makes plays. The Lions desperately need LB's who can do that. T
after the season ends. He was resigned to a 1 year deal.
I know both Levy and Durant are FA's after the year but Tulloch was signed to a 5 year deal this offseason, so he's going to be the man in the middle for awhile.
It won't make a difference.
Can't wait to draft a WR who was "the best player available" because we have so much depth at other positions that we can just draft whoever we want
Actually, at this point WR is a position of need, no matter how many we've picked recently.
Which is a sad commentary on the Lions' ability to discern and acquire talent. Rogers, Williams, and Young were all high draft picks spanning two different GMs, and the result is the same. At this point it seems clear that Calvin Johnson is the WR version of Barry Sanders: a supreme talent stuck with an incompetent franchise who will see the playoffs only occasionally. It must kill him to think what he could be doing for a team like Seattle or NE or Atlanta.
Worst team in the NFL. Everyone but CJ underperforms and the coaches seems so indifferent about losing. I hope they clean house and offer Cowher the biggest contract for a coach in history to install some discipline.
Worst team in the NFL? You must not have seen Jacksonville play this year, or Philadelphia, or Carolina, or Oakland, or Buffalo, or...
And I think Carolina is just flat out better.
However your "or" could continue with the Chiefs, who are really godawful.
has been up-and-down. The Panthers and Lions are roughly equal in talent.
Although your verbage is rather juvenile, I found this statement utterly hilarious and humiliating at the same time. I love the honest comparison between this man's favorite franchise and the... Carolina Panthers. He honestly offers up the fact that his favorite team and the... Carolina Panthers are roughly equal in talent and success in each franchise's long, sad existence of irrelevance. I just really love the honesty, it's like talking to someone at the airport and them telling you with an honest, genuine smirk saying "Yes, I think we'll be on roughly equal footing with the Royals this year. This is the year it all changes, we're only getting better, I swear."
and secondly, the Panthers do not have a "LONG, sad, existence". They have only been in business since 1993. They have made a Super Bowl and NFC title game in their 19 years of existence.
Could find a way to get the Cardinals to score touchdowns.
Total Points: Detroit 10, Arizona 38
I did not see the game, but I did chuckle at that stat.
Maybe the next few years will be like the early 90s, when the Lions were decent in odd numbered years, but got crushed in the tougher schedules that resulted in the even years.
Lions are so flippin' bad. And they can not afford ANOTHER Top-ten pick!
They need to get rid of Mayhou (or however you spell his worthless name)
And draft some LB and then any one player available from Alabama available in the second round... They are the only Pro team that I think would actually lose to an Alabama or early-2000's USC team in the college football team
Forgot the Auburn DT too...
cj, stafford, suh were all top 2? picks, fairley, reiff and cherilus are pick 13, 20something and 17.
MAYHEW has done an okay job. Cherilus and Rief were not top 10 picks.
Outside of that your post is spot on.
Under the NFL's new draft pick salary slots, top-ten picks are underpaid if anything. The very first pick in the draft now gets about $5.5 million/year for a four year contract, which is far less than a similarly talented player could get in free agency. Before the slotting system, the top picks got $12-14 million/year.
The Lions got screwed by being bad before the slotting system took effect, leading to big contracts for Stafford/Suh/Johnson. But Reiff is earning only about $8 mil over 4 years, and there's no reason to be concerned about the salary hold for next year's draft pick.
This is an awful performance. The Lions have way too much talent to lose 8 straight games. If the Lions achieve this dubious defeat I think Mayhew has to pull the trigger. 8 straight defeats with a healthy QB is simply unacceptable.
Mayhew needs to be the only let go of. The only Coach I wanted over Schwartz was Harbaugh, and he will retire at SF winning them multiple SuperBowls
You wanted Harbaugh after he went 5-7 with Stanford?
*No offense to the real Captain Hindsight.
This is just disheartening to watch, they continue to regress. The O-line can't protect against a blitz, Scheffler drops balls, Durham runs the wrong routes, and Calvin can't beat double coverage every play. This game has just been terrible to watch.
Scheffler is not good. He drives me NUTS- He'll catch unlikely passes at times where it doesn't matter, then he drops the EASIEST passes that I feel 90% of college TE's could catch...
They have about 17 penalties already too
3 Arizona touchdowns. I think their longest scoring drive has been ~7 yards.
The Mayans being right will be a blessed release from this abomination of a season. Which is why it won't happen. Angry Lions Fan Hating God is not a merciful diety.
The staff has to go and it won't. Schwartz is more worried about how he will celebrate if they score a TD or win a game then worrying about his team playing well the entire game. Mayhew will show him too much loyalty and not have the balls to get a new coach because Schwartz was "his guy". All of our current talent will age or leave and the Lions will be in the same boat they were in when we went 0-16. This team is loaded with talent, if I'm an available coach the Lions would be a very desirable job, but we won't do anything about it. This team has finally showed a pulse last year and they haven't done anything with it since.
I picked up the lions defense in a desperation effort in my fantasy play off game. It is not going well.
I'm sorry but you're crazy
I was desperate. I thought I would get some points from Lindley ints.
The Chiefs went 40 minutes of clock time without getting a first down...against the team ranked 32nd in scoring defense and 30th in total defense.
It appears that Al Borges did a decent job of developing a middling 3* Lindley into an NFL starter? Hmmm.......
THree turnovers leading to 21 pts. Two resulted in Cardinals starting drives inside the 5 and the other was a pick 6.
I don't care about today. I wouldn't expect him to be good at this point. He's got one of 32 jobs in the world. He was a nothing recruit who was developed at SDSU under Borges is
the point I'm making.
I agree regarding Borges and Lindley.
Being a decent college starting QB is very different from being a decent NFL starting QB. I care way more about whether Borges can produce the former.
They muct be one of the worst 5 franchises in any of the 4 major sports in the modern era. I think they should just move their team to another country and start a new league.
I'm not sure that Swartz is good enough to be the chicago D coordinator.
The best bet for them on any given Sunday would be to just not get out of bed.
This could be an interesting discuss. Who is the worst team in each of the four leagues? Do the Lions qualify as one of the five worse? I think it would be important to throw out some "new" teams, such as the Texans, because they really haven't had a chance to establish themselves. The Pirates have had, I believe, twenty or twenty-one straight sub-.500 seasons in a row.
I don't know how there is this whole thread about how shitty the Lions are and nobody has yet fingered the shitty offensive line. The whole interior, at a minimum, is horrible. Raiola is horrible, Peterman is horrible, Cherilus is horrible. The offensive line fucking blows.
The idea that their line blows is a mistaken one. They aren't good at run blocking, but pass blocking they are okay. Both the Pack and Bears have worse lines IMO.
It's the NFL. Every QB gets pressured and hit. Even Manning and Brady.
They haven't pass blocked well today though, I'll agree with you they are usually fairly decent protecting Staff, but today you can't defend them.
They "aren't good" at run blocking like Matt Millen "wasn't good" at being a GM. They suck at run blocking. The only reason the Lions even have respectable statistics running the ball is because Linehan has figured out how to squeeze the most he can out of the scheme - end-arounds and traps and things - and because of Leshoure. They can't ever get a single yard when they need it.
Being deficient in the run game matters less in the NFL than almost every thing else. I'm much more concerned about the turnovers and crap defense. Fix those and the Lions are an elite team.
I'll give ya this: the Lions secondary is the only positional unit around that can make the Lions' O-line look good by comparison.
Their OL is much better than their secondary.
A, I have season tickets and you're being incredibly patronizing, and B, I'm not sure you quite got the gist of what I was saying.
"Relentless Cardinal defense"
I bet people in Seattle are now laughing their asses off.
at DE, DB, and LB. Losing helps with that.
at least decent probably the best unit on this team not like that means much. de's though get 0 pass rush KVB is too old and avril is showing why he didnt get big money. corners and safties have been kiiiiillllled with injuries, i think bently green and greenwood should be decent with houston next season (or is he a FA too?) we really need safties though like WOAH we need safties
You don't have to subject yourself to the Lions.
Lol just turned it on, awesome stafford
Holy fucking shit.
Oh sweet jesus......Throw a TD!.....except it doesn't count cause we have a Delay of Game. Then we get it back to the 3......and throw a 103 yard Pick Six.
Only the Lions
I really do think it is 50-50 if Schwartz comes back or not.
I've defended him in the past but if they lose out (it appears they will) then it should very much be discussed at least. The way the Fords have run the team though I'm 95% sure he'll be back next year.
in his first three seasons. This year is obviously a massive disappointment. Do you assume that this year is a fluke and go with him one more year? Or do you fire him and try someone new? If the Lions were a franchise with an active owner I suspect that both Mayhew and Schwartz would be gone.
But knowing the Fords, both will be given another year. At this point I am not passionately against that, but I would be happy if they were fired. The large amount of defensive free agents would permit a new coach to rebuild a horrid unit with his own guys without having to cut a bunch of guys without having to take the cap hits.
I think the improvement is more a direct result of finally having a couple of our top 5 draft picks pan out.
Schwartz directly caused us to lose one of the most important games of the season (challenge flag in the texans game). The team discipline is a joke. I just can't really see what Schwartz has done to deserve any more chances.
in the right place to succeed. In the first three years they did that.
Schwartz generally gets his teams ready to play. Unfortunately, his teams also are incredibly poorly disciplined. This may be his downfall.
I don't care if they lose out. There is ZERO chance of Ford release Schwartz from his duties at the end of this season.
At least we get the ball back with minimal time off the clock...
Barf. Put our roster up against any other team that is bad in the NFL and one thing you will notice is how underachieving we are. Yes KC Oakland and Jacksonville are worse but that's because they don't have the personnel to win. The lions have the roster to beat average teams but underperform, so I think that is the reason why we are the worst NFL team yet again. Not to mention the lack of discipline, play calling and fundamentals.
Is that better or worse than running out of the back of your own endzone?
Why do I still watch the Lions? I really can't say. It's like picking scabs or popping zits or the like - a gross, unhealthy habit.
So......I hear this guy is looking for an NFL gig.
Anybody think we call him up? I wonder which situation is better, Jax or us
Maybe the offensive line wasn't god awful at run blocking...the terrible defense is already in place though.
Do not want! Good luck getting NFL players buying into the conditioning they'd need to run that offense, plus NFL defensive linemen would destroy that type of offense, reference Stanford-Oregon 2012.
It wouldn't have to be a true zone-read. Kelly has been running a lot more power, than when he first started at Oregon, incorporating a lot more TE's into the Gameplan, and has been going away from the RR-esque running QB's.
And the offense didn't do too horribly against Stanford either, they still had 400 yards against them.
His offense will faulter. Spreading the field will get his Qbs killed. No thanks.
Will it though? The Patriots go 5-wide pretty much every play, and they're have had quite a lot of success
Ridley, Vereen, and Woodhead get plenty of carries. New England's success comes mainly from having one of the greatest QBs to have ever played the game. In the NFL scheme matters less than the quality of players you have.
Having 4 receivers a play is still spreading the field quite a bit. And that's generally what Oregon has been doing, spread the field with the receivers and run a RB in the holes. They rarely run QB designed runs, so QB health wouldn't be as much of an issue as some people are making it out to be.
As far as the scheme/players debate, I don't think you can say scheme doesn't matter at all. Less than a decade ago, the way to win in the NFL was still with a strong running game. Just look at the Patriots, they won 3 of 4 Super Bowls with a strong run game and strong defense. And after they lost some of that core, they retooled it up, spread the field with a passing attack, and got back to winning a lot
If the Cardinals tried to spread the field they would get their heads beat in. You need the players to run a scheme at the NFL level.
If simply running a spread would win games every team would so. But it isn't. You need tackles who can block on an island, you need receivers who can consistently get open, and most importantly, you need a QB who can make the correct decision quickly. You need all three of these to have success running the spread at the NFL level. Most teams do not have this.
Do us a solid and back up the bank for Urban Meyer.
Though Nick Saban coming to town might be kinda funny.
Nothing is going to change until the Fords sell the team. A new GM and coach won't matter. It hasn't matter for the past 50+ seasons. I guarantee in 5 seasons we will be having the same conversation about replacing the coach and GM.
And they wont sell the team as long as tickets sell out and merchandise is bought...aka never. Looking forward to the 2017 version of this conversation.
I don't think Schwartz is a bad guy, but this team needs and offensive and defensive system that has some coherence, not "throw to Calvin Johnson" and "tackle hard." I want nothing to do with any college coach, but there has to be a competent DC/OC out there who could come in and use the talent on this squad. I mean, Marvin Lewis has turned the Bengals into a consistently-okay team. So it can be done even with a bad roster.
Nah. I'd rather get someone a bit younger, though I do respect Reid for what he did with Philly.
Yikes. The dreaded give up.
I'm not a Lions fan. But the only thing worse than this team's play is going to be the tough-guy beat writers droning on all week about Schwartz needing to go. There will also be dozens of unoriginal water cooler discussions started with me this week, some of which I'll have to tolerate even for a few minutes so as not to appear a total jerk. This will disrupt my week.
Recipe for fixing what ails you if you're an NFL team: your next game is against the Lions.
or the Bucs
Shutout central today. Hasn't anybody heard of offense? I long for the golden days of no defense and the spread n' shred. The current generation is inferior.
Yeah I wish hilarious were the right word.
I am a Lions fan. Stafford has all the tools and can make all the throws he just doesn't win. CJ is the best WR in the game. Our OL sucks and has for pretty much ever. Our D-Line is great but have no motor and Fairley and Suh are looking to get out ASAP.
It's a shame but this team might be better if they just moved and got new ownership. If a new team came here with new ownership they might win, but with these same old clowns I can't see us ever being w inning franchise. If you look at the NFL there are really only a handful of teams that are ever any good. Steelers, Packers, Giants, Ravens, Pats are nearly always good and we just aren't one of those teams.
Can we just go the Browns route? Let's start a petition to have Ford move them to L.A. and change their name, then someone else can start over.
In five years they'll have won a superbowl as the Los Angeles Turkey Vultures and the Detroit Lions will be a second-year expansion team with one of the worst offenses the league has ever seen. And your head coach will be Chris Palmer.
You'll be free of the Fords but it's a heavy price to pay.
Ben Roethlisberger may be the most overrated QB of all time.
his 2 super bowl rings say different. i'd argue that romo is more deserving of the honor.
No one thins Romo is a good QB...how can he be overrated? Ben is overrated because he has those two Super Bowls. On teams that ran the ball and had great defenses. If you are a QB and probably aren't the best player on your championship team, you're probably getting too much credit.
He's a good quarterback, but the fact he has two rings has people putting him up there with truly great quarterbacks, where he doesn't belong. And he completely handed the game away today, twice.
What about Cutler?
Does anyone think he's particularly great either? He's a punch line a lot of the time.
It's the 4th year of the Mayhew/Schwartz regime and the team has no direction. We have 3 people getting superstar money and really only one is playing like a superstar. CJ is phenomenal, Stafford is probably a top 12 QB, and Suh has shown signs of greatness but is inconsistent.
The lions could have to sign a brand new secondary which they've seemingly done the last like 10 years. The DL is way overrated, the OLine is average at best and we have no receiving depth.
Drafts have turned out to be pretty bad all around. Sure, trading Roy Williams for 3 picks and making the playoffs were big accomplishments, but things aren't looking good
I wouldn't say that they have been bad. They are getting decent players out of the draft, but the problem is they are not gettign enough of them
A bad draft is what Millen gave us. I don't see any of them looking that bad just yet. The DL is overrated is because the DEs' stink.
I know injuries aren't something you can plan for, but they just haven't gotten much from their drafts. Personally, the people you draft in at least the first two, maybe three rounds, have to be starters. I like Reiff long term, but why draft essentially a blocking TE when you have a number of needs? Broyles and Bentley were unfortunately not able to add much this year.
Fairley, And Leshoure did nothing their rookie year, but seem to be players you can build a team with. Young has been a waste.
Suh has been alright, and Best and Spievey haven't been able to contribute.
The Lions have to trade Suh this year and go back to building the trenches. Time for a new center, LT, RT and a guard. I like Sims. Gotta draft conservatively too. No more projects for the next few drafts. No more previously injured players, no more character issues, no "best player available" who won't start and make an impact. I'm not expecting them to draft studs in every round, but they have to draft players that will contribute
The Lions desperately need DE, LB, and DBS. Trading Suh is not doable. Not with his contract. Plus, he is differencemaker. Those just don't come along.
The line is going to be rebuilt. Age alone dictates that, but spending high picks on OL when you have more pressing needs on defense is insane.
The last draft was terrible. We need linemen and dbacks.. We took one of those and some average guys late in the game. Im sick of this old attitude. Not everyone are the Pats. Development isnt something every team is great at. Hence all the legal troubles in the off season. I get its a business but man, it doesnt feel like a team.
Best season of his career. He is better as an all around DT and still is disruptive as a pass rusher. Suh and Fairley are two of the top 5 DT in the league this season.
If you ends can't beat one-on-one blocks that means they can double your DTs. In Year One Vanden Bosch was still an effective player. Now he is a scrub.
The Lions need two defensive ends. Jarvis Jones would be perfect.
Bojern Werner. Jones may have medical issues with regards to spine and is a better fit as a 3-4 OLB. Either Werner or Mingo would be great for the Lions
At least my second favorite team is the Chargers.
Tom Brady with a TD saving tackle.
Love the diagonal snap on the fake punt.
When Denison U. was running the single wing back in the 70s and 80s they always had a center who could do that, even hit a back in motion with the snap. You never knew who was going to get the snap, or where.
"Its the same ol, same ol situaaaation!"
If Schwartz got canned, the Fords are just as likely to elevate one of the assistants to HC, because loyalty. That's how we ended up with such stellar HCs like Rick Forzano, Tommy Hudspeth, and Wayne Fontes. The Fords have never hired a HC with the record and accomplishments of Bill Cowher. Not sure they've even interviewed one.
In fairness, very few such coaches exist, and many would likely not give the Lions the time of day if they can find a better offer. They did try to hire an established head coach when they hired Mooch, and it worked out just as well as the rest of the crew.
I've always thought Mariucci was overrated. He inherited the 49ers machine from Seifert, and the machine was good enough to post double-digit wins in his first two seasons. Then Mooch leads them to seasons of 4-12 and 6-10. They rebounded with 12- and 10-win seasons, but their faiures in post-season got him canned. If the Lions had the talent that the 49ers had, then Mooch would not have been faced with the task of building up a program with an idiot like Millen running the show.
The problem for the Lions is that they've needed a coach and a GM who've proven they can build a team from the ground up, but amazingly the Fords have been even worse at hiring GMs than they've been at hiring HCs.
In the second round, they opted for Ryan Broyles—with his serious knee injury—over Peter Konz, who has become a starter at RG for the 12-2 Falcons. If you want to make the argument that choosing Reiff in the first round meant we didn't have to expend a high draft choice on another OL, fine, but the Lions had more pressing needs than another WR, especially one coming in with a recent knee injury.
love Calvin Johnson....but there is very little positive data that shows successful trends of when the WR is your highest paid player
The Lions have a real shot at the 3rd pick in the draft. Manti Te'o or one of the Alabama studs is a real possibility. sorry what was i thinking they'll probably winout and draft elsewhere : (