Have fun down south.
landing spot. will be interesting to see how he does.
Have fun down south.
Heard he is still taking an official to Michigan. It AINT over!
I literally laughed out loud
...that was anticlimactic.
Nah, it just climaxed back in July.
...I'm Ron Burgundy?
You don't know me and you know nothing of my work
Who wouldn't want to play in Oklahoma or Northern Mississippi. Beautiful landscape and very good schools academically with thriving economies.
Hate to beat on my home state, but, to answer your question:
kids who are from there and see a freezing winter and being close to Detroit as the alternatives
Well then just stay in Ann Arbor and buy a Carhartt.
As someone who has lived in Oklahoma - then he's got the wrong idea. USC or Florida would be better choices.
Agreed. Oklahoma gets cold in the winter. When that wind gets going, man worse than AA at times. That said for a WR OU or OSU are GREAT for NFL prep, it'd be more surprising for him not to look there. There's also something going on with Ole Miss this year, every year there seems to be a random hot recruiting school. This year it's Ole Miss. I've been saying for months this one's probably not going to go our way, best of luck to him.
Where exactly did this recruitment go wrong? Obviously he favored us for a long time while maintaining he wanted to visit the Oklahoma schools. Then he said the Michigan coaches hadn't been in contact for a while and suddenly he's interested in Ole Miss. Am I missing something?
He's been to Ole Miss multiple times and been interested for a while. His teammate andd friend from HS, Standifer, is playing down there.
anyone else wonder if our handling of Standifer--while an important way to handle and ultimately win the war--might have lost us this battle?
How did we incorrectly "handle" Standifer? From my understanding, he failed a class required for admission.
nope. it seems we didn't handle it well (not saying he's a prima donna, but maybe)
standifer withdraws his UM commit ... the comments are now gone, I don't know, but
it was ND with the admissions-related decision (and he was totally upfront about that; so it's not as if he were BSing about UM)
and act III:
We will see how this plays out with Nyles Morgan...
I think the fact Michigan is not running a spread offense hurt Michigan. He wants to play in a spread.
That, and the fact that Michigan probably doesn't offer the same kind of cash incentives that schools in the great (pffft) state of Mississippi does.
I though the logic was that we were losing receivers during the RR days because they didn't think they could make it to the league in that offense. Now I'm confused.
He watched our terrible offensive playcalling...
Blame it on Borges!
I think this staff chilled out on chasing him because like a lot of blue chip players who have a very me first attitude it gets to a point where you start wasting energy and time into something that maybe isn't the right fit to begin with.
I am not saying that Treadwell is a bad guy but he is 17 years old and all 17 year old kids are in need of molding. But when it starts looking like a guy is possibly going to disrupt team chemistry his attitude starts looking like its not worth the talent. It's one guy.
I am also not saying that the coaches think Treadwell is some horrible person but that He had a lot of me first mentality hence the comment that the Michigan coaches work showing him a enough love.
I think there comes a time when you have invested so much time into a particular person to show them how much you want them to be a part of your program and yet they still seem to want to look around while the rest of the team seems like damn near family already.
I know what a lot of people are going to say, but what about all the rest of these players like Dawson And McQuay and green that are all and have been on the fence for a long time. True but You have to admit that they have all been very up front or classy about it or in Dawsons case had a very real 17 year old moment, but none of them have acted quite the way Treadwell has.
Funny thing is if I were a kid like Treadwell that wanted to go to a major program that had a good school and was on the rise I think that Michigan would be easily in my top group if not the leader considering the depth chart.
There are very few positions in football where you can come in and be THAT GUY Neatly like you can at positions like receiver. And you would think that Treadwell would see he could step on to the field next year and start.
Just my two cents anyways
Everyone keeps saying he had a "me first" attitude. What did he do specifically that drew those criticisms? Just seems like a kid that wanted to take his time and make sure he was sure if his decision. Wonder if he was an LB or some other non-stereotypical "diva" position if people would say the same thing?
Between the tweets, interviews etc he just comes off that way. Maybe I'm way off. But that's how I perceive it from a guessing standpoint.
Dude likes attention. It's been very obvious from his Twitter account for a long time. I mean, I don't have a Twitter account or visit Twitter more than once a month, and I know about his dramatic turns trying to rile up fan bases. But when I've said stuff along the lines of what EZMIKEP said here, everybody downvotes it. Maybe now that he's eliminated Michigan people around here will be willing to consider that this kid might just be a diva.
If you're basing someone's character solely off of things like Twitter feeds, you could probably call Shane Morris a "diva" too. You don't amass 19k+ followers by not craving attention. And yet, we're all cool with Shane, so what's the difference with Laquon?
I would try to explain the difference, but the only thing I know about Shane Morris's twitter is that he uses it to talk about Glee. Is he routinely dramatic? Does he pretend he's going to commit to different schools to rile people up? Does he dissimulate in any way to rile people up? I'd be happy to revise my opinion of him if you want to point me to some tweets where he does stuff like that. If not, maybe those questions can point you in the direction of what the difference is.
He didn't come here. Must be a diva. Couldn't possibly be our offense hasn't showed off the WR position lately like those other schools.
This is like Purdue pulling the top WR in the nation out of Georgia. Just doesn't make any sense.
Go to Oklahoma kid. They've developed good wideouts lately and the BIG XII can't play defense. Ole miss is shouldn't be on that list (and OK state).
Seems like OK State sends WRs to the NFL every year.
they've been 1st rounders too (blackmon and bryant). I didn't realize OK state has had 2 double digit win seasons of the last three (OU is 3 for 3). Oklahoma is traditionally better and has just as good of an offense for wideouts, but I guess both are good fits.
And Ole Miss is... $EC! $EC! $EC!
Why can't Michigan land elite WR or RB prospects?
Michigan gets four star (and sometimes five star) players at those positions as often as they do at other positions. Aside from the Rich Rod era when recruiting was a bit down across the board, Michigan is doing as well as they always have at those positions. Four stars and occasional but rare five stars.
Your post lacks an accurate context and is thereby hollow.
Thank you both for that.
i don't see much the way of elite talent coming up the next few years.. and im talking about playmakers on O.. unless you think darboh or chesson are gonna be incredible which i highly doubt..
Is "elite" talent? Are you a scout? Are you basing it on Stars? What about Deveon Smith? Devin Funchess? Amara Darboh? Jake Butt? I just can't believe people who continue to seem to know whether we have recruited "elite" talent...
See the posts below for a description.
Know if we have a player like manningham, Edwards, or Terrell. That's why everyone should relax. Even when those guys were incoming, we knew not what they would be.
While I agree with the premise of your post, I don't think all of your examples fit that description. David Terrell was regarded as one of the prize recruits in that top-rated 1998 class, along with Drew Henson. He came to Michigan with a lot of hype and pretty much lived up to it almost from the start.
The other two players definately fit better with your idea of not knowing what we have until we get them on the field. Mario Manningham was regarded as talented, but raw out of HS. Edwards was a meh 3 star legacy with little expectations and frankly played that way for the first 2 and a half years of his college career.
How about its been a really long time since we've had an elite WR and even longer for an elite RB. And I'd call elite like top 10 at your position. 4-star is more really good, than elite especially since most sites have like 20-30 4-star WRs
I'm obviously excited about the future - having a lockdown OL will make up for a lot of things - but what we have right now is a far cry from having the likes of Edwards, Manningham, Arrington, Avant, and Breaston on (or near) the same roster...
"lockdown OL"? I don't think I've ever seen "lockdown" used to describe an OL before.
To get a lot of 4 -5 star players. The past 5-6 years of Michigan football probably hasn't helped. Hoke is rebuilding and doing a great job presumably, we have reeled in more 4-5 star players than Michigan has done in a long time. Offensively we are in transition, top offensive talents really don't know how we will look offensively.
This is naive. If you accept that recruiting rankings matter, it has been years since Michigan got a kid that was ranked within the top 20ish at the position of wide receiver. JeRon Stokes and Jeremy Gallon (barely) fit that bill a few years ago and they were undersized for our current needs. We've had no problem getting commits rated within the top 5 or 10 at their position at every position except for WR and RB, although Derrick Green may change that for RB. As of next year, we will be relying on having Darboh or Chesson play above their rankings. And those gentlemen were rated higher than our current crop of commits.
However, a great QB can certainly get the job done with serviceable WRs and a strong line - we see this in the NFL often. The NFL's top receivers rarely seem to be playing in the Super Bowl.
Justice Hayes - '11 (#3 APB, ~100 national) would count as a top RB.
Was in the Rivals 250, the 30th best receiver, and had a 4 star ranking. I grant you that he doesn't have Treadwell's hype and wasn't considered an "elite" talent, but eveyrone one here with the mentality that we'll have to "make do" with Darboh for the next few seasons seem to be underselling the kid a bit. He's a good football player.
Chesson, granted, looks to be more of a project and may or may not see significant playing time over his career, but I don't understand all the pessimism over Darboh's future.
Visited 9 times, and cuts us for schools he's never visited. The kid played us
Maybe he just decided he didn't like Michigan. That's not a crime, you know.
yes it is
but lets you take her out on 9 dates..its not a crime but she definatly played your ass..unless you gave you a pity lay or something.
Since all of his visits were unofficial, wouldn't that be the equivalent of all of the dates being "dutch"? Not sure that counts as being "played".
I guess were stuck in the friend zone lol
Chris Rock FTW!
"you gave you a pity lay"?
sounds like the saddest weekend ever
but I haven't taken off my maize tainted glasses yet!
Then never give up hope!
Dear God, I don't even want to know what a maize taint is or how you got it on your glasses...
Not going to say good luck to him, because that's for pussies. He's absolutely full of himself and I hope he flames out in football but graduates from one of those fine academic institutions.
Being recruited by some if the most historic football programs in the country wouldn't be. Don't be a dick, the kid didn't want to be at Michigan so that is the end of it. I hope he graduates and plays an injury free career, at least serious injury as minor injuries always happen.
By the way, the historic programs was just a reference to Michigan and Oklahoma. Ole miss and Oklahoma state both are we're lacking in comparison in that department.
Get a fucking grip.
You're an idiot
Go to Ole Miss, so we will never hear about you ever again.
As mean as this is it's actually so true. I can't tell you the last time I saw an Ole Miss game... it has to have been years. Seriously.
Not that I really care. Not on Michigan's roster, so pretty much irrelevant.
The bigger lesson is that players that want to come to Michigan will commit. All the rest are searching for a reason to be somewhere else.
Good luck to him I guess. This still sucks major
Yea I know right? Why hasn't he committed to Illinois, Northwestern or NIU???
Kids leave their state all the time and go across the country, especially when you're a top talent.
I'm disappointed he wont be donning the Maize and Blue but it's the nature of the business. Time to move on.
I love that every time a kid decides to choose another school over Michigan it's because he's getting money from the other school.
Just a joke. When someone posts a funny picture, it doesn't actually mean they believe the context is absolutely true all the time.
I don't actually believe this cat is Ron Swanson.
C'mon man, stop being a dream killer, that cat can be whoever he wants to be
I thought this was America.
When I post a "That's what she said" gif, I really think that she said it, somewhere.
WilliSC48, It's not that he chose another school over Michigan. It's that he, and several others, have Ole Miss in their final 3-6. What could possibly draw them to such a place? Their reputation as a fine academic institution? Their reputation for having a winning tradition? Their reputation for putting WR's into the NFL?
Reputation as one of the most fun schools with very attractice women in a fairly nice town with nice weather and possibly one of the best football gameday traditions with tailgating in the grove and a team that plays in the best conference in CFB with what is looking like an up-and-coming coach.
...so you've given this some thought?
and add "good football teams" to maybe half of them?
I mean Georgia ranks as a top 5-6 party school from sources as diverse as Princeton Review to Playboy. Are the women really any better looking in Mississippi than Georgia? I only hear good things about Athens, and Georgia's (as well as schools like Bama and such) have great or greater football gameday traditions. And players don't really get to tailgate, so I'm not sure how that would be an attraction.
And with all that you get top ranked football programs, as well as schools that came out of the 19th century at least a little faster than Ole Miss.
If he was saying he like LSU, Georgia, Bama, Florida, etc. with Michigan, Oklahoma, heck even Okie St. which has been good for a few years and runs a really receiver friendly offense, most people would go "Michigan is better, but ok, I understand." I'm not sure they're not more comparable to saying "boy, Arizona State looks like the place for me."
It wasn't a good sign when he kept talking about visiting this season then kept cancelling.
WRs are the drama queens of recruiting, so Laquon fits the bill.
FWIW he tweeted earlier today that he indeed is officially visiting Michigan. I know its twitter but just sayin why would he say that if he wasnt
Oh well...until this program under Hoke shows it on the field I wouldn't get to excited about Blue Chip WR's....just the way it is in this generation. Kids want to see results.
if by this generation you mean 'all' generations, I agree.
No 1000 bottle of champagne...Green and McQuay will still be awesome.
Really don't understand this. Oklahoma State? Where Mike Gundy is about to be exposed as a mediocre coach who does a great job picking assistants and coordinators before they end up leaving for HC jobs? They are the Wisconsin of the Big12. Oklahoma? (Or should I say choklahoma?) Where Big Game Bob just cannot win any big game. Always inexplicably high expectations for no reason over there. I see that program going no where but south in the next few years. And OLE MISS!?!? Sure they looked a lot better in SEC play, BUT IT'S OLE MISS!!!
has produced Dez Bryant and Justin Blackmon in the last few years. They run the Air Raid. It's not exactly insane for a WR to want to go there. Same with Oklahoma. And Ole Miss has one of his best friends.
People take this shit too friggin personally.
ntOSU should have played LSU in the NCG last year. They've been pretty good the past few years.
Hate to say it...but we haven't exactly lit the college football world on fire the over that period of time either.
"Or should I say choklahoma?"
No, you shouldn't.
Texas fans call it Mobilhoma.
He's going to be exposed 8 years into his career? Isn't picking good assistants what coaching is all about? Hoke isn't exactly an offensive mastermind and has one of the best DCs in the country. Oklahoma won the B12 this year and won plenty of big games. Don't understand the Ole Miss hate.
Someone asked him on his twitter today if he was taking his official visit to Michigan and he said yes?
exactly, not only did he respond to the question which he didnt have to, but he kinda retweeted it for everyone to see instead of just replying directly
The twitter feed of 17-18 year old often times not the best sources of information. Maybe he changes his mind, but I trust the information coming from an interview with a reporter than a 140 character response to someone on twitter. Best to just move on as the writing has been on the wall with this one for awhile.
I understand your point but that still doesnt explain why he would answer "are you officially visiting michigan" with yes and then post it for all of his followers to see. Not saying we're still in it but according to the man himself he still plans on on taking an official to michigan.
Because reporters are so consistently accurate in our Michigan fan base experience.
Standifer and Treadwell had similar rumors re academics. I suspect the coaches cooled after his standing didn't improve with Junior grades and no summer school.
These coaches know the importance of an elite WR. They held a spot for him unlike other recruits. He knows Shane is elite and will get him the ball.
The "Hoke saw something he didn't like," meme is so contrived. We just got beat.
Naw man he didn't have a commitable offer.
There has been absolutely no reports of this that I've seen. Best to just move on.
He stated just a couple of weeks ago that Treadwell had slipped with UM and ND based on grades.
I'm not saying our inability to land him was solely grades, but our coaches chased him relentlessly for a year and then cooled in Aug/Sept after we were named a front runner in July?
We missed on Ty Isaac, Drake Harris, Kendall Fuller, Brionte, ad nauseaum simply because we couldn't close the deal.
Ty Isaac was just waiting for a commitable USC offer... once he got that he immediately jumped on it and we were only in on Brionte Dunn because of the OSU mess and scandal. If it wasn't for that there wouldn't have even been a a flirtation. Those 2 had NOTHING to do with some inability to "close the deal".
I don't remember that ever coming up on this site, and I think that kind of report would have shown up here.
that I heard a few weeks ago. Lemming seems relatively trustworthy, but I blew off the comment as ND propaganda about their high standards.
It's bazaar that UM coaches would ease off (per LaQuon) from the #1 player at a position of dire need who already named UM as his leader.
My post was meant to question our coaches' easing when we were so close. We need playmakers.
Best of luck to LaQuon.
Did you really just post "it's bazaar"?
Please, let this be spellcheck.
I meant "backwards" but my brain is foggy after 12 hours of HS football yesterday (5 HS state championships back-to-back in the Georgia Dome) and 2 flights today.
Beyond the early discussion about Treadwell, Lemming resurfaces the academic issue around the 19 minute mark in regards to Crete-Monee. The issue isn't so much the kids, but the HS and it's paperwork process.
Listen if you can stand ND propaganda . . .
And we got Kalis, Shane Morris, Kugler, Dymonte, Bosch, Tuley-Tillman, EVERY FUCKING OTHER PLAYER because they CAN close the deal.
Why do people think we're going to land every high profile player we pursue, just because they state they're interested? There's only so much the staff can do.
If he indeed is an attention whore(for lack of a better term) then I say let's move on and not pay any more attention to this guy. I want guys that want to go to U-M, not have be begged and coddled into coming.
He just seems like a guy who is a candidate to be a prima donna, that doesn't work well under Hike & Co., maybe the coaches noticed too much of this from him and cooled off pursuing him.
U-M program will survive and so will I, personally, I don't like guys like that, no matter how good they think they are
He doesn't want to come to Michigan, so he's a prima donna? If we're being consistent, I assume that makes Will Campbell a prima donna too, since he took a bunch of fake visits? No one on this board has ever spoken to Treadwell, and no one would be calling him a prima donna if he ended up at Michigan. It's really pathetic the way people think they can glean a kid's character based on whether or not he wants to attend their school.
And, for the record, I want the best players we can possibly get who don't have genuine character issues, even if the coaching staff has to beg and plead to make it happen.
Sorry if I seem like a sore loser here. That's why I said "if" on my comment.
I want what you want, the best players we can possibly get, however, I don't want to beg these guys, I want them to want to come to U-M. I believe that keeps attrition down eventually.
I'm so confused.
If Michigan misses on Green, there will be a growing trend of missing on skill position players. I think part of this is our two best recruiters are DL coaches.
I think the other part is that skill position players like to see how they will be used on the field. Since our offense needed to adapt to Denard, these kids couldn't really see how the offense will look during a game situation.
I'm afraid it's going to be the polar opposite of RR recruiting. He recruited a ton of talent (mostly) on offense as compared to this staff and all the defensive talent they are recruiting. It would be nice to see more of a happy medium.
He did not recruit a ton of offensive talent. In fact he didn't really recruit much talent anywhere. You build championship football teams from the inside out and Hoke and his staff have been pulling very talents OL, DL and linebackers. Eventually, the skill positions will come, though I think the guys we have been getting are pretty good.
Name some elite talent Hoke has recruited on offense at the skill positions so far other than Morris and Funchess, if you consider TE as a skill position.
What a dumb statement. We have a 5 star qb and good talent at TE but since you want to see wr and rb you ask a question that eliminates all skill positions except for the two you want to talk about. Lets also ignore the coaches ability to recruit a 3 star nose tackle that blew up to be 5 star and contributed as a true freshman. Shame on hoke for bringing in a top class last year and an even better class this year. What a joke. Also we have another 5 star at a skill position you specifically want that I will eat my hat if he doesn't commit here.
Yea. We struck out every time....except that one time......and that other time..... and possibly the last time.
Of all the elite talent outside of QB we had recruited previously on offense.
I agree that skill players will eventually come. Good OL and QB play will start to make marginal RB's and WR's look good. I think once this happens, the top level guys will start coming.
Just frustrating, that's all.
This is Hoke's first full recruiting class, and the poster you're replying to is making a valid point. The rumors were that Devin taking over at QB sparked interest in WRs looking at UM because they could see that without Denard there was going to be a whole lot more airing the ball out.
And the Hoke regime is recruiting a ton (literally) of talent on offense. It's not that a monsterous O-line makes second tier skill positions great or anything, but it changes a lot when there are holes to run through and time for receivers to get open. Or, it's difficult to build the roof of a house before you lay the foundation.
I couldn't disagree more. Hoke has already brought in a top quarterback, several talented TE's, the best set of OL over two classes I can remember, a stable of RB's that fit his offense (and possibly Green). The only offensive position that's missing is WR. I think Dukes is going to surprise a lot of people and Chesson and Darboh could be very good players. Give it time - he just got here.
Writing was on the wall IMO.
Derrick Green is someone that could help this program, so much. Could step in right away and play.
Please come to Michigan.
really hoping we can get greene, kinda would like to see some elite talent at the skill positions
Ouch. Please refrain from trashing the kid, he's making the decision he thinks is best for him. Gonna have to see the final(ish) product on offense before we can really show some of these skill guys what it could look like with them involved.
Cosigned on the trashing.
Remember, there were loads of idiots trashing Dawson when he decommitted.
Well how did that eventually work, hmm?
Aside from it being good to Michigan if the fanbase is civil, it's also just the right thing to do too.
LT has been signaling for awhile that UM was no longer at the top of his list; several people on this board just refused to hear him.
Keep calm and carry on - we are still in on Green, who is a huge offensive talent.
I was just on the free 24/7 message board and someone copied and pasted an LT tweet from three hours ago:
Laquon Treadwell @SuccessfulQuon
“@ShaneKTTM: @SuccessfulQuon you officially visiting Michigan?” Yes
Hmmmn.........I sure hope this report is wrong.
and bring up those great UCLA, Auburn, and Indiana wide receivers.
will we ever get a commit named Laquon at this university?
These types of threads bring out the worst in mgoblog. Remember David Dawson people!!!!
I remember David Dawson, it is
No1. priority in 2014, I think.
Almost every pundit said that was the top priority going into the 2013 class, too.
So we done at WR ? seems to look that way to me..any other outlooks ?
Man that sucks, but maybe the staff will take a look at Eldrigde Massington.
While that would be awesome, he is basically Alabama's to lose with UCLA and ASU not far behind. It's hard to sway elite WR's halfway through December. Marquez North would be another WR to hope for, but he will most likely end up at Clemson or North Carolina.
Still looking for our first difference maker at RB/WR since 2007. With all due respect to Hemingway (injuries limited his career), Stonum (suspensions, dismissal), and Fitz (production dropped off a cliff), Michigan had playmakers even near the level of Hart/Manningham/Arrington for too long. Derrick Green would satisfy this need I believe and form a formidable tandem with Deveon Smith.
Is it safe to say that academics did not much play much of a role in his recruitment? Yes, just as college athletics should be... having recruits pick their "universities" based on everything but academics. What a sham. If they want to "get paid" and don't want to be in the classroom with real students, don't make them. But to keep up with this facade of the "student-athlete" in revenue sports (at least, it might be a worse situation for non-revenue sports) is just a goddamn shame.
You see, the kids these days, they listen to the rap music, which gives them the brain damage. With the hippin' and the hoppin' and the bippin' and the boppin', they don't know what the jazz is all about. Y'see, jazz is like Jello pudding...
Leaving Treadwell out of this, it's safe to say that many good HS athletes are average students, some even less. If they are making a college choice based on academics, I can see why they may not want to choose UM or Cal or whoever. I'm not going to question someone for turning down a school they couldn't dream of getting admitted to except for athletics in favor of one they might have.
stinks to lose such a talented guy, but i'm not entirely surprised. high school decision-making is often based on what is happening at the moment, and our struggles in the passing game this year probably made LT think there were better places for him.
Maybe he doesn't come here but it ain't over til it's over (see Dawson). Either way I only care about those players that end up here.
Would be a nice get as he's a great talent but not an absolutely must get.
Just last weekend LaQuon said Michigan is still among his final four schools despite the rumors saying otherwise. He also said, "I still contact Coach Heck and I saw Coach Hoke speak at the banquet. We said a few words and he said hello to my mom, so everything is still the same." Apparently, that's no longer the case. I'm disappointed, but good luck to the kid.
This is me reading way too much into a 17 year old kids twitter, just for the funsies:
This report comes out saying he won't visit, and he's eliminated us.
He tweets 5 hours ago that he will visit us.
His most recent tweet is saying that he's going to wear number #1 next year in college, and he's going to be announcing soon.
That seems innocent enough, but he doesn't wear #1 in high school. Now it's possible he just wants to wear #1 in college, but considering how big of a deal #1 is at Michigan, there could be some connection there.
Now I know you're all saying, "But MichiganMan2424, if this is true, why would he come out and say he's eliminated Michigan? Also, you're an idiot for reading this much into a kid's twitter."
Well the second part is true, but regardless.
We all know WRs can be huge divas. While Treadwell hasn't done anything wrong in his recruiting process, he hasn't helped himself with that diva tag. And what would be more diva then at your announcement, pulling out a Michigan hat of a team you said you eliminated and committing there?
Now I'm not saying I expect this, but in the short time I've followed recruiting, if any prospect were to do this, it'd be Treadwell.
At the beginning of the month, there were reports that he was considering Ole Miss to the point where he tweeted, per SBNation, "Oxford: Moncreif, Cooley, Treadwell SEC !! #2013 Special Year ..."
So, there's that as well.. He was also asked to retweet a response if Ole Miss was his top choice and he did. The more you read about how his recruitment has gone, the more you scratch your head ,I think.
If the visit mentioned on Twitter actually happens, then Michigan is still likely a consideration if nothing else. We may be eliminated from his top three, but if he visits as he claims he will, we're not eliminated per se, although our chances may not be great. Regardless of where he ends up, he'll do well and I wish him well.
Not feeling the love from Laquon Treadwell.....
Borges is credited with being one of the recruiters for Shane Morris and Da'Mario Jones
I seem to remember that Borges visited Brionte Dunn just before Meyer got him to reaffirm his OSU pledge.
So maybe we don't want Al on the recruiting trail? :)
Many people don't want Al at all... but I want to see him actually run his offense with his players before I throw him under the bus... Meyer had the balls to give Dunn the ultimatum, otherwise I think that Dunn would have visited Michigan and committed on that visit.
that Shane was coming to Michigan regardless of who recruited him
Not so if the previous staff was still around.
I've heard from some people on here that Al runs the shop in Ann Arbor. He doesn't go out recruiting, but coordinates stuff when they're in town
whatever. i'm not surprised, and we don't need him. hoke has focused on what we need most right now, which is winning the war in the trenches. elite o-lines will get us the elite rb's we want, like green.
I think we do need a receiver with Treadwell's skill set, but life will go on without him. We will have an easier time attracting elite receivers once they see a QB who can accurately throw the ball. We didn't have one of those since Henne graduated, hopefully Gardner will become one next year.
Consider the possibility that M soured on Treadwell, rather than vice-versa. After all, the kid did say M's coaches hadn't been in touch with him recently. Could be there's just something they don't like about him.
Hoke and Company don't seem like the types to coddle and placate to a recruit. WR's are histroically "divas" and especially elite talent types. I'm sure other schools are much better as ass-kissing, which probably sounds great to an 18 year old.
probably has nothing to do with it. I'm sure they do their fair share of that. If they didn't we wouldn't have the class thet we have. We are taking about 17-18 yr old kids...........that wanttheir ass kissed and want to be coddled. Some more than others
Besta luck to ya.
He's gone because we're the only ones not paying him
Sam Webb and others have been saying for months that LT wants to play in a spread offense, and that he's got family in the Oklahoma region. For some people, though, facts don't matter. A certain portion of all fanbases simply refuses to believe that any highly-rated recruit doesn't really want to attend their school.
Sorry... I meant to give a positive review, but this stupid voting system ain't what it once was.
But, but Don. We run a spread offense and our school is based in Oklahoma isnt it?
I'm here for the meltdown.
Him the best but I think we'll be fine. Why are ND amd Bama playing for a national championship? Is it because they have elite wide receivers? Simple answer...No. People need to quit freaking out and assuming because a recruit doesn't pick Michigan it's because they are getting paid, or don't have the grades, or Hoke must have quit recruiting them because he "saw something..." It's okay for a player to not choose Michigan...there will be others my brothers.
I will say, though, that Alabama has elite talent on the offensive side; those RBs will be in the NFL soon enough. ND is playing because apparently South Bend residents didn't feel their souls were that valuable and traded them in.
But the primary reason for their being is because of elite defenses, not because they have Julio Jones, or Michael Floyd or Golden Tate out wide...both of those teams are very good up front, building a great defense as well as being tough up front is what hoke is more concerned with.
To be fair, Jones was a key part of the Crimson Tide's 2010 title. And ND could definitely use guys like Tate and Floyd; what held them back was a poor defense. Having both a dynamic offense and defense is better than just half of the equation.
was to be our most heralded recruit two years ago. And would probably be a starter in 90% of CFB teams
I don't know what his star rankings were but that Amari Cooper kid seems pretty elite. Also Julio Jones was. And I don't think you should be making your point with ND, as they seem way overmatched and completely misplaced in the championship game. When I've watched them their offense this season has looked like total dogshit, not exactly what I think our coaches are striving for here...
But I do agree with your other point. Not everyone is going to come here, and it's not just because we're the only clean program around. It's just the way it goes, and we shouldn't assume some kid is lining his pockets just because he doesn't commit to the good guys.
But again, of course Bama has a lot of good players on offense, but that is not their identity. As far as ND goes, I dislike them a lot, but Bama is not an unbeatable force, and while I don't anticipate them beating Bama, Kelly has proven to be a winner at every stop, I wouldn't be shocked to see them win. I never thought Ohio would beat Miami a few years ago, strange things happen, ND has a tough defense too.
I would definitely consider Amari Cooper (#6 rated WR), Chris Black #8, Kevin Norwood #22 and Kenny Bell #40 as a potent collection and hellish in combination with their great OL and NFL backs in Lacy and Yeldon. Their WR have speed to exploit the DBs when they get sucked into play action.
ND has Eifert, tough front 7 on D, and 10 years of luck. Hopefully we get the playmakers with our line so we don't need so much luck.
You have to go all the way back to a Chad Henne led offense for the last time we had a WR friendly offense. Our offense is supposedly changing in the future, but any 2013 elite WR has not seen much evidence on the field. Add in the fact that Hoke and Staff seem to have a better rapport with linemen and linebackers, and I'm not surprised we are mainly landing 3* receivers. Hoke seems to mention almost weekly how the play of the offensive and defensive lines are the most important part of the team, which I'm sure plays well with diva WRs.
Hoke is a trenches guy for sure, but the real reason why he is going after so many linemen is because he inherited atrocious line depth on both sides of the ball, and recruits see the potential for early playing time. Going forward I expect that Hoke will continue to recruit well in the trenches but he won't be grabbing so many linemen in each class.
Definitely one of the longest, weirdest, requirements I can remember. This is a giant facepalm of a decision on his part.
Not surprising. A bit weird with the change in attitude toward UM, but that happens. It does make me wonder where the impact offensive players will be coming from in the future, but offensive stars can pop up from unexpected places. I will reiterate my earlier concern that this staff seems able to recruit in the trenches and the defensive side quite well, but outside of Morris I've not seen a truly dynamic offensive player be recruited on that side of the ball.
No bitterness toward the kid; he made a decision that benefits him, and I'd do the same. Still a little surprised, though, when you hear kids talk about academics and the college experience and then pick schools that are a clear step below other schools recruiting them. But then again, I'm sure he'll find a good fit wherever he winds up.
People worried about skill position players should look at Ryan Lindley and Ronnie Hillman. Two players who weren't recruited very highly that put up monster numbers in the Borges offense. If we can land Green to go along with Gardner/Morris, things should be just fine. Defense wins championships. You don't have to put up big numbers if the other team can't score. I think we will be just fine.
I don't think the sky is falling with respect to skill position players the way everyone else here is. Between Chesson, Darboh, York, Dukes, Butt, Funchess, Hill, and probably one of Lewis/Stribling (also possibly Hayes in the slot), I think we're going to have multiple talented receiving targets next year and beyond. It sucks to not have any ultra elite blue chips but such is life. Not to mention, once the O line is in place and we're mauling people, it's not that difficult to get open for receivers when they have tons of time. I'm not super worried here...
Honestly more disconcerting to me is that we don't have a QB in the class before Morris. If for some reason he doesn't pan out (God forbid...) and Devin doesn't get his RS, we could be in for a tricky situation.
Also let's not forget... Treadwell isn't committed anywhere yet. Dawson had seemingly eliminated UMich awhile back (or vice versa?) and yet here he is in the class. Obviously not the same situation but things change at the drop of a hat with recruiting it seems...
It always seemed to me that Morris was the main draw for Treadwell. He wants to play with a really good QB. If we eliminate Ole Miss as him visiting his friend, then it's just the two Oklahoma schools. I don't know who they have coming in at QB, but I'll guess they are not quite as impressive as Morris was before he got Mono and couldn't play.
Indeed, Treadwell seemed to cool toward Michigan around the time Morris dropped off the hype radar. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think Shane played after the Pioneer game, and he shouldn't have played in that.
I agree with you, but the guy who posted just before you is simply nuts. God help him.
EDIT: damn it. One post too late.
Those QB situations you mention are extremely unlikely (knock on wood).
Not surprised, I figured this would happen eventually. When he was all in love with Michigan for a few months and didn't pull the trigger. Good luck to him wherever he goes.
Until the current staff can show that they will give players a chance to be succesful it will be hard to recruit the best players at skill positions. Michigan has put WR and RB's in the NFL in the past but honestly that staff is long gone. Coach up what you have
going to come here right? He talked less and less about wanting to come to Michigan. The writing was on the wall for a while. Let's just focus on Green and McQuay. I'll be happy with just one of these guys.
Whose to say he's not still playing. Those other schools better not get their hopes up on him. He'll probably end up at Florida. And he's never been there. I won't believe he's at a school until he signs there in February.
I'm really ready to stop hearing about this one.
Let it go. He's not coming.
Treadwell is having dinner at the RoJo's tonight. Tom Beaver has confirmed.
That may be but I would take anything Tom Beaver says with a grain of salt. Listened to him on the GBW hour with Sam Webb this morning and it's clear he's not the brightest bulb in the room.
On the brighter side, this Friday I received my acceptance from the Univeristy of Michigan. As a reward and an early Christmas present, I decided to validate my fandom by officially joining mgoblog. I am excited by the team being assembled for my first year at UofM (despite missing out on Treadwell) , and about the prospect of being a contributing member of this board. Go Blue!
Here's your first neg.
my daughter just received her's as well. You are in for a fantastic 4 year experience.
Congrats on your start to the road to crushing debt!
I wrote him off a long time ago
Is Treadwell the next Stefon Diggs...Please god, No
The Big 10 footprint cannot afford to lose 5 star talents like LT and Robert Foster.
Besta luck to Laquon.
Best of luck to Treadwell. Hope he has a great collegiate career.
He says he's still taking his official to UM. This isn't over.
We should probably hold off the post mortem until after his offical visit (or until he cancels it).
He's going to be the 5 star that goes past signing day this year and still won't choose UM.
Not everything about Detroit is bad. Whatabout those who venture into Detroit for the different sporting events and concerts??
Scared...stay home then,because NOWHERE is safe...
Did he say he didn't want to be near Detroit or something?
Mr Treadwell is NOT a done deal. I will wait and see if he decides against us, until then, can anyone talk Manningham into speaking to him and get him to commit and end recruitings version of Peyton Place and give us a happy ending.