Ohio State's LaQuinton Ross will declare for NBA Draft, sources told ESPN.— Jeff Goodman (@GoodmanESPN) March 24, 2014
Means they will have lost Craft, Ross, Smith, and Della Valle. Talented class coming in, but freshmen are freshmen.
Ohio State's LaQuinton Ross will declare for NBA Draft, sources told ESPN.— Jeff Goodman (@GoodmanESPN) March 24, 2014
Means they will have lost Craft, Ross, Smith, and Della Valle. Talented class coming in, but freshmen are freshmen.
They will still be good but LaQuinton was the only scorer they had who could create on his own (for the most part).
Next year's B1G will be a two team race between Wisconsin and Michigan, IMO. Wisconsin returns everyone except for Brust assuming Dekker and Kaminsky stay, which is kind of crazy. Michigan hopefully will return at least 1 of GRIII and McGary with Stauskas presumed gone.
Obviously MSU will have a much higher chance to contend if Harris returns, but I'd be shocked if that happens. Dawson is undecided on leaving, too, and I think they'll be very mediocre if he declares, barring unforeseen contributions from younger guys or an amazing coach job.
I would enjoy seeing a Trice-Ellis-Valentine-Kaminski-Schilling starting lineup.
This is assuming our studs don't leave early.
way Dawson goes.
I would say hes probably coming back, but he has had a solid tournament so far and he may go the THJ route of "this is who I am might as well try and get paid"
We have no idea who UM returns. Nik is gone 95% IMO but GR3 and Mitch are complete wildcards. If they both go UM will have a difficult time challenging for the title, even with our magic staff. Caris becomes the center of the universe and every opponent's focus, Irvin will need to become Caris of 2014, Horford will need to become Morgan, Walton needs to become Burke lite, and Chatman needs to be Stauskas lite. The bench is then Donnal and Spike.... and question marks.
Our coaches have done amazing but losing 5 NBA players early in 2 years is tough for anyone not named Kentucky to bounce back from.
Also dont sleep on Maryland. They are not great this year but they will look like Tennessee next year - all seniors and juniors starting; maybe not a lot of NBA talent but one of those teams that you dont want to face in a tourney due to a lot of guys with a lot of experience and decent if not great talent.
MSU will lose Harris, but Dawson is coming back, Valentine is taking steps and will be their main creator, Trice has improved a lot the last 15 games, and I expect Costello to take a step next year so that's a decent 4. Kaminsky right now is like Irvin - 1 dimensional but should come back next year better. And they have a good coach.
RIght now because Wiscy doesnt lose players early much i.e. Kaminsky and brings back a lot they will be a favorite. Dekker is projected as a 1st rounder in 2015, good talent there. Who is co-favorite, if any, will depend on GR3 and Mitch.
pretty confident both McGary and GRIII will be back. Mitch has too many question marks with scouts to very high. And GRIII has a lot of improvement to make - plus he's close with McGary. But the overriding things with GRIII is I doubt he'll go in the first round at this point. We'll see. If both MM and GRIII come back, Michigan has to be the favorite in the conference next season.
McGary is also older for his class. He very well may feel that his best bet is to declare, trust in his ability to shine at the NBA pre-draft combine and point to his success during last year's tournament to highlight what he can do. The absolute worst thing for him would be if he comes back and has another injury.
As for GRIII, I feel like most players who consider going pro one year and don't, end up leaving the next year, even if the subsequent year raises more questions than answers.
I think believing that either player is better than 50-50 to return is looking through maize and blue colored glasses.
are going to want to see that back hold up. I don't think Mitch sniffs the first round coming off a year long back injury. I think NBA teams are going to be really iffy about taking him without seeing him return to action for an extended period.
The back is always going to be an issue and he's not getting any younger. I think if he's healthy enough to go full during pre-draft workouts, etc., he probably goes. Someone will give him a shot in the NBA and he gets to start putting in his time towards a free agent contract. If he comes back, he has to stay healthy or he might not even get a shot, and even if he does, he's still a year behind in terms of getting a big contract.
But IF he is able to stay healthy next year, he's much more likely to be a 1st-rounder than he currently is.
But with the rookie pay-scale, getting into the first round isn't as big of a deal any more. It's much more important to be in the NBA for that 5th year contract (and if you can continue to play at a high level, the next free agent contract is what makes a huge difference in overall earnings). Someone will take a shot with him and if he can stay healthy he can start a nice career immediately. If he can't, coming back wouldn't have done him any good anyway, and at least he will have gotten some money out of it.
The thing people forget when talking about this draft is how deep it is and how falling to the late first and early second affect the money you make and how much is guaranteed if any at all. If you aren't drafted in the first round you are at the mercy of the club who drafts you and can be cut like the NFL on a seconds notice.
McGary doesn't wanna put himself in that kind of jeopardy. If he doesn't get a few teams to basically tell him that he's getting drafted at a certain time then it makes sense for him to stay. It's the same gamble as staying except with higher benefits as well as he'll have 1 more year at school. Would you rather play in the D league or compete for a national championship?
People like to compare the Trey/Timmy situation but they aren't the same. Burke's stock was never gonna be higher than it was this year and Timmy's could only get lower.
first round is guaranteed money. guaranteed money mean you will be given every chance to produce for the length of the contract. second round is not guaranteed and the team can cut the player at any time and be off the hook for money.
And what happens if his back doesn't hold up and he misses serious action next year? His stock will drop even further and he will be in the same boat that he is in now- wondering what would have been had he declared. I really feel for the kid as he has a pretty difficult decision to make.
no one is going to give McGary a guaranteed contract this summer.
You do realize that Payne is 15 months older than McGary. I state this because Payne will be the "older" dude in this draft and as far as I can tell that is certainly NOT hurting his draft position. Payne was born in February 1991. Heck he is 23 already!!!
Yes, if McGary comes back, he will just turn 23 at the draft next year. But in the end, if he is healthy and returns to his potential, he is a lock for a lottery pick. Especially given the notion that next years draft is a "downer"......
Which makes McGary 9 months older than Payne for their respective classes, no? And, FWIW, I have seen Payne's age listed as a negative. For some reason, the longer you're in college the less upside you're seen as having.
Glenn's game has picked up significantly the past three weeks, which I presume makes it more likely that he leaves...
McGary while old, with a solid year that I think he is capable of playing, could easily go top 4 overall. If he comes out this year? I read that he'd be in the early 2nd, however I don't believe it, for I'd think he'd go at the end of the first.
Stauskas seems like the only near sure thing to leave... I'd put it at 95%
Robinson Id put it at 60%
McGary Id put at 33%
This is all my baseless speculation.
I think people are mistaking what they want to happen with what is likely to happen.
It would be safer to assume that all three will go. All Mitch needs is one NBA team to say that they will take him in the first round. If you liked how he played last year and have a late pick, that would not be a bad gamble.
that would be remarkably risky for a guy whose track record was short even before the spine surgery he isnt yet recovered from.
I am not so sure Tom Izzo will be back next year. I am guessing that Sparty alum Tom Gores makes him a very nice offer, especially since, despite his lack of integrity, he has done a great job of coaching his team this year.
Izzo knows that the talent level in EL is going to drop severely this year. I can't imagine him having the patience to come back, now that he knows he has to recruit against a very strong Michigan program instead of having his pick of anyone in the state or region. Now is the perfect time for him to leave with his "legacy" intact.
know if I am ready to throw out the "great" label on Izzo's coaching this year. Nobody wants to have to play super-weird guys, but home against Nebraska, v. Georgetown, routed by NC at home with everybody healthy. I don't know. He could make it great but I don't think this has been Izzo's trademark year by any stretch.
Michigan State really has never been a regular season juggarnaut, and this regular season still ranks as one of his best from a W/L perspective. Izzo's trademark is out playing his seeding in the NCAA tournament, and we'll find out soon enough if they'll accomplish that.
Does anyone seriously and rationally think that Izzo is leaving after next year? I know we all want MSU to be a dumpster fire and it'd start with Izzo bolting, but get real - it isn't happening. And let's stop acting like there's only room for one healthly basketball program in the state. Izzo may be a grandstanding drama queen but he's not an idiot, which is what you would have to be to leave a situation where you're royalty in order to coach the flailing, tap-dancing monkey-brained shitshow that is the Pistons.
Next year will be Izzo's 20th year. He'll be 60 years old. I'm not predicting he'll leave, but I could see him decide to walk away. The last couple of years seem to have taken a lot out of him. In any event, I think Beilein will outlast him, despite being two years older.
Maybe I am in the minority but I am fine with Izzo staying. It removes the excuse of "but but but you are only beating us because our top coach in history of our school left. You didnt do anything when he was here" Granted that has been replaced with "injuries" but bigger picture let's keep beating MSU with Izzo - it is fun. Can you imagine how sucky it is to go 3-6 against your only rival with the most worshiped coach in their history? Lets get that to 3-8...stay Tom.
Izzo would be a horrid NBA coach because he cares about winning more than most players, and he would be Doug Collins 2.0. Burnt out in 3 years. Its a players league, not a coaches league
Izzo is 7-6 vs. Beilein....not sure where the 3-8 comes from.
I'm guessing he meant 3-6 in the last 9, and if we won both games next year it'd be 3-8 in the last 11. But you're right, Izzo is 7-6 against Beilein overall.
Ah, the ole MSU football logic where arbitrary dates are used as a measuring stick of progress....I am quite familiar with that :)
Yes I meant once Beilein got established and both programs were on go ...
Obviously arbitrary but Beilein taking Amaker's mess against a top of its game MSU program was like bringing a sword to a gun fight. Of course you can pick another time frame but again UM is doing this against MSU when its program is top flight with a top 5 coach in the nation... they are not beating up on MSU's basketball version of JLS so it has to be a major bugger to have that happen to you. Izzo is 7-6 overall vs Beilein yes.
Beilein's first Michigan squad was a complete trainwreck. Yes, that game counts toward the overall record between the two coaches but it showed nothing with respect to JB's coaching ability.
I'll take Johnny B every day of the week and twice on Tuesdays.
Exactly, we can count those first few seasons when MSU had far more talent than UM if we want to be fair. But by the time the talent was comparable that each coach was coaching, one has done much better than the other.
I think there is a very decent chance, because the recruiting life gets old, I would imagine.... needs a new challenge.... if he wins NCAA title, he will leave.... I thought he was gonna leave anyway when they stunk without Payne and Dawson.... now Im not sure.
you underestimate izzo's ego. he's the guy who seriously wanted to be considered to coach the football team. the team will be in free fall next year. the question is whether izzo wants to rebuild that team for a run in 2-3 years or bolt for the cash in the nba.
Certainly won't be a banner year for MSU, but I see no evidence of an impending "free fall."
They will be a very Calipari-esque team next year.
Perfect. They could have been pretty good next year if he had stayed. Now not too worried.
Look Nik, Glenn, and Mitch everyone is declaring! You should wait til 2015...
No seriously, which one is it?
It's not being used in a sentence so you can't tell which case the pronoun should take. It is indeterminant.
except the school. Watching him this year I felt he had an NBA game. Strong finisher at the basket, pure shooting stroke, and there really wasn't anything to be gained by staying.
DraftExpress has him projected in the middle of the 2nd round, which... I mean, that's 10 spots below GRIII, and I'd definitely draft LQR over GR3, but what do I know? (insert joe dumars joke here)
but in good news, anyone who can post on this site (thus proving the existence of fingers) can now play for IU.
may be looking for a way out of the Crean saga pretty soon. Greg Marshall, come on down!
They may need Mellencamp to cut them another huge check. Crean's buyout is gigantic.
pay it, the sooner the better.
That guy is like Dahmer-crazy.
You can only apply so much Kiwi Shoe Polish to your scalp before you lose your mind.
wow... I guess karma IS real.....
he wrecks their program.
OSU is really pioneering the "I'm foregoing my remaining years to pursue my dream of playing European basketball without a college degree" move.
Best of luck to them with that.
I wish I could make 150k a year living in Italy playing basketball. I'd probably get my degree first, but I think that would be an awesome way to spend your 20s. Not making the millions you would in the NBA but being able to travel around Europe and learn a foreign language while being paid to play a sport would be pretty cool.
I totally agree (honestly). And I hope that all of OSU's players feel the same way.
i digress.... is your name mark? i knew a mark ferguson while an undergrad at michigan.
No, not Mark Ferguson. "Turd Ferguson" was a character in an SNL skit about 15 years ago ("it's a funny name").
Coincidentally, my first name is Turd, but my last name isn't Ferguson. That would be ridiculous. My last name is Poopypants.
I'd be happy about this.
Honest to God, I see Nik coming back along with GRIII and McGary if Michigan doesn't win the 2014 NCAA National Championship.
If they return this entire team (minus Morgan due to graduation), they will be preseason #1 and the favorite to win the whole thing.
Stauskas is gone if NBA people agree with the projection of him as a borderline lottery pick. Robinson has probably played his way into the first round of late, so he's probably done too. I think, FWIW, that the only real question is McGary. His health may still be too much of an unknown by the declaration deadline to leave this year. But even then he could still declare but not hire an agent.
He could go this year and be a borderline lottery pick.
Or, he could come back, win a National Championship, be the most dominant player in college basketball winning the Naismith and Wooden Awards and be a top-5 pick.
Doesnt make sense. Stephen Curry is one of the best pure shooters in the past 10 years and was drafted 7th. Nik is not as good and you say top 5? McDermott is a good comparable and he is projected 12-13 right now, Nik is projecting 16-18. Nik doesnt have elite athleticsm and that part of his game is not going to improve (genetics) in 12 months. He has proven he can shoot, handle "well" (not great), etc.
So you are asking him to (a) give up net present value of 1 year of NBA earnings and (b) risk injury so that (c) he could move up IMO 4 spots in the draft or in your "aggressive" projection... 10 spots.
If you look at projectiosn for the 2015 draft almost the entire top 10 are elite athlete HS players who are headed to Kentucky, Kansas, et al for their one and done's. Nik is a great college player and a great story - he has almost zero chance to be a top 5 pick.
Stauskas and GRIII aren't on page one. This draft is absolutely loaded through the top twenty guys. Not sure stauskaa and griii are in that class individually yet (or projected). Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love them but I am looking at these other prospects on the list and out guys are in the 15-25 range max. If their gamblers they come back in a weaker class. Those pre draft camps and evaluations are going to be huge for them and nerve wracking for is fans! Win win for Michigan either way. Nba factory or top five team next year.
That AND Mitch said, when he commited, that he wants to win a national title. Well, he almost did it last year, they could do it this year (albeit without him on the floor, but still), so I hope he and the rest of the players realize that next year, if they don't do it this year, will be their best shot at one. I'm PRAYING that these guys love it so much at Michigan that they want to stay in school and keeping playing great basketball. There is nothing wrong with staying in school for four years.
I don't know. That didn't work out so well for Tim Duncan.
Nik's gone, and he should be. The other two could really go either way.
I dont see anyway Nik comes back 0% chance. Hes played in a final four won a big ten title and big ten player of the year. Cant see how coming back another year would benefit his game in anyway. And agter the McGary injury it might discourage him even more. I give GR3 a 30% chance and McGary a 75% chance. Regardless of who comes back no worries. Beilein has proven he can win with any group of players and we still have lots of talent and experience even if all three leave.
Shannon Scott and D'Angelo Russell at guard, Marc Loving and Sam Thompson at forward, Amir Williams at center. That's a lot of raw talent.
Damn, it would be fun to match up against that group with a starting five of McGary, Robinson, Stauskas, LeVert, and Walton, with guys like Irvin, Horford, Albrecht, and Chapman coming off the bench.
I'll understand if some of our guys go pro, but those potential matchups are drool-worthy.
Regardless of who comes back or not, I think that you can pencil in Irvin as a starter next year. The kid has too much potential to only see around 5 minutes a game.
So he is going to replace who?
Scott is a great defender but below-average offensive player. Williams is a terrible offensive player. Thompson is a great athlete but a decent player. Loving has potential but had an underwhelming freshman season. And Russell is an unknown.
Unless Russell lives up to his 5 star recruiting hype immediately, this sounds like a bubble team to me.
Better get used to home losses vs. PSU.
Just going to allow myself to imagine, for a minute, a world where 2014-15 Michigan basketball featured the following lineup:
PG - Trey Burke, SR
SG - Nik Stauskas, JR
SF - Caris LeVert, JR
PF - Glenn Robinson III, JR
C - Mitch McGary, JR
B - Derrick Walton, SO
B - Zak Irvin, SO
B - Jon Horford, SR
B - Spike Albrect, JR
B - Mark Donnal, FR
Mediocre minds think alike - I was thinking about that exact same subject yesterday. Damn this staff for their too fast development.
Some sites are saying that Ross would be considered someone who might go towards the end of the first round, so I wonder if that's all he needed to hear when it came to making that decision. He definitely had a better junior campaign from a production standpoint than last year, so there was that as well. All the same, the Buckeyes have a good class coming in, but man, that's a lot of, well, everything they are losing to graduation / the draft.
Another member of the Buckeye Italiano squad.
OSU will be ok with Ross leaving. What they have to fear is that one of these years Aaron Craft is going to come out too and THEN the Buckeyes will be in real trouble.
This is like Christmas : )
I think McGary already knows he is gone. I also think he is ready to play now but he doesn't want to risk re injury before pre draft workouts.
Dakich said all 3 were going on a broadcast during BTT. The fact his son is on the team makes me wonder why he said it so assertively and has me thinking it might true. We'll see... Mitch and GR3 seem to want to either go or stay together.
Mitch has a very big risk most dont talk about. His back could get hurt next year - if it does he wont get any contract, and risks losing millions.
He said his prediction wasn't based on inside information, but I'd also wager that all three will go. All the more reason to enjoy being in the Sweet 16 right now.
oh F me if McGary leaves.... as far as Im concerned, he was the keystone for the Michigan return to glory..... and to only have him one season? FUCKALL.... i'll be very disappointed if he doesn't return.
I think we talk about Mitch a little too much. He had a great tournament run but I think we all forget his 5 months prior were less than stellar.
I dont see him getting picked in the first round until hes actually played some more games
Check out the highlight videos for 2015 OSU pledge Mickey Mitchell. Filthy good. Looks like a one and done.
2015 OSU pledge for now*
He is the brother of Mike Mitchell - the 5 star LB who just left OSU to be closer to his ailing father in Texas. Initially, there was a lot of speculation that Mickey would reconsider and stay closer to home but there has not been much development on that. If he stays, OSU could be quite competitive in 2015 but will more than likely be a bubble team next year.
I need an opinion. I was thinking about writing a preview of each of the B1G teams next year. Would anyone even want to read that? Is it worth it? I could split it up by each team, or I could do one huge one with all of the other 13 teams. Please give me feedback.
I would be very interested in reading such a thing. I say go for it.
Also it would give me something to do while at work.
Declaring for the NBA draft isn't like the NFL. With the NBA you can declare for the draft and go through all the pre-draft workouts/combines, etc. and if you do not like where they are projecting you, as long as you haven't hired an agent, you can withdraw your name from the draft and come back to college. There's certain dates that this has to be done by, but just because a player says he's going to the nba right now, it doesn't necessarily mean he's 100% gone.
No he is correct. This is from Wikipedia (I know, not always reliable but still):
Players who are not automatically eligible, but wish to be drafted, must declare their eligibility no later than 60 days before the draft. After this date, "early entry" players may attend NBA pre-draft camps and individual team workouts to show off their skills and obtain feedback regarding their draft positions. Under the CBA, a player may withdraw his name from consideration from the draft at any time before the final declaration date, which is 10 days before the draft. However, the NCAA adopted a rule that took effect in August 2009 that requires players at its member institutions to withdraw no later than May 8 to retain their college eligibility
but the dates when a player can declare that he is coming back to college have changed.
In other news, there is a mass exodus at IU. They might forfeit their season.
Lol Thomas was alot better than Ross and Thomas is playing in Spain....good luck young man
I hate coach Jim B, but hes right there are alot guys who are picked middle to late in the first round beside TH3 that is..that are not in the league. If your not a top 10 pick its almost not worth it to just play in the d league. If your family has money there no need to rush your self TH3 couldve came out early but look at him now. Its more than just shooting and being athletic your body has to be ready.
is not an easy league to crack. There's what, 30 teams, 14 guys on a team. That's about 420 players. There isn't a ton of turnover in the league either when you talk about guys who start, let alone see decent playing time. Most of the turnover from year to year is guys on the end of the bench. You're better players last 10, 12, 15 years.
Freshmen are freshmen unless they're freshmen coached by JB.