Some Twitter Buzz. It seems good for Michigan.
Kris Frost news
We need a high 4 star in this class and Kris is the guy. We just need to sell him on playing WR first, becuase that is what he wants.
Go Blue Kris!
Get this kid on campus... but of course keep Denard first.../s
Man among boys good
He should have been on the phone last night trying to get this kid back. Either position he plays (although i hope it's LB) will be a help to us. Some higher being is trying to tell this kid something... Go to MICHIGAN!! haha
He couldn't talk to him last night; there's a recruiting dead period from 1/10 to 1/13.
I did realize that after I posted, although i should have edited. Sometimes I get caught up in the thread and don't use my head. appoligies for stupidity.
You are allowed to call/write during a dead period, there's just no in person recruiting.
What he said.
why did u reply to a post about kris frost by talking about BB players? wtf..
No big deal
I agree, I hope Frost waits until coach Hoke can talk to him. I think Hoke will be able to bring him to AA.
Has Hoke started reaching out to potential recruits yet or is he focused on his coaching staff? This kid would be a huge pull and give me a little happiness in the middle of three weeks of dread.
I believe there is a dead period right now where coaches can't contact recruits. I think it ends tomorrow but I don't know the exact time.
So he should be focusing on coaches so that once this dead period ends he can hit the recruiting trail.
Gotcha, thanks. I don't know much about recruiting so I figured I was missing something.
This is correct, as far as I know
I hope Brady Hoke pulls a Jim Schwartz and is waiting outside Kris Frost's door waiting for the dead period to end.
We, on this site, are constantly scouring the internets for any shred of recruiting info.
Can we assume Hoke/Michigan and the recruting department are doing the same?
I would hope so.
As soon as they saw that... they should be on the phone with Frost or at least someone in his camp(after the dead period).
He is going to call the committed kids first. I would assume that he would have to watch recruiting videos on each of the players and learn something about them before calling them so he can speak intelligently about why he wants them at Michigan.
I don't know how long that will take in addition to securing the rest of his staff, recruitng Denard, and meeting the rest of the players. I hope he gets there soon.
I hope that seeing as hoke was previously a head coach he has already seen some film on this kid before he arrived in AA. It's not like frost is a unknown. Pitch the reciever aspect to get his attention but tell him we need LBs, he's a monster, and oh yeah GO BLUE!
I've heard that UNC might be Frost's second choice behind Auburn at this point, but maybe he can be Hoke-oiled.
A week ago it was his dream to play at Michigan and he was a 99.9% lock to come here; now we're not even his second choice? Considering his passion for Michigan seemed to be evident throughout his recruitment, you'd think Hoke could convince him to join on.
True, but he doesn't know ANYONE at the University anymore, except maybe Chris Singletary. That's got to be a little disconcerting for an 18-year-old.
could be a holdover.
Most kids don't know anyone at the University before they enroll.
And here I thought coaches built up relationships with recruits for a reason.
I guess those two or three years of recruitment don't mean anything, huh?
That sounds gross.
I haven't heard the same about UNC. I think Michigan will still be in good position.
Well, I sure hope you're right and I'm wrong.
I'll trust Tom's info before anyone else's
...doesn't really roll off the tongue does it? Maybe "Hoke-tied"?
can we potentially give props to a SEC team for not oversigning?
maybe while we are at it we can give them props for not murdering people?
Is it too late for early enrollment at UM?
I think he has until January 21.
Either way early 20's in January. Still enough time.
Missing the first three weeks of the semester is a tough way to enter your first semester of college, though. I expect he won't be EE if he comes. It's probably in his best interest too.
add in the fact that most classes have their first exam right around the drop/add deadline, a new environement, knowing few people right off the bat, yeah I'd say EE is out of the question.
I feel good about this. It never really made sense to me that Frost (who will very very likely be playing LB) saw the RichRod firing as reason to reconsider us. Given how bad our defense was, it would seem he would be on board with a switch in that personnel. Especially since all reports were that he was in love with the idea of being in Ann Arbor and the school itself. I totally understand developing a personal relationship with coaches, but if he really loved it here all along, he could be walking into a better situation for his development.
underestimate the attachment that recruits develop toward particular coaches, rather than schools (I know Frost is something of an exception to this given how much he loved Michigan growing up, but, I mean, he did back out of a silent commitment once RR was fired).
I think it depends on the kid as well but I agree in general. Recruiting is all about personal relationships. If a kid was set on going to one school (UNC) and then commits to another (Michigan) it seems clear to me that the personal relationship with a coach(es) had a lot to do with it. When that coach(es) leaves, its back to square one . . .
would also go a ways in showing Kris how he would fit on that side of the ball.
we have to promise him he starts as a receiver. Rodriguez was promising that and that is what Frost wants. Hoke has to make Frost feel that he will be given every opportunity to succeed at WR before considering a position switch.
... That he wants to try WR first. He might end up playing linebacker but he wants a shot on offense, maybe the offensive switch left him second guessing.
Well that is the missing piece I didn't fill in. Him wanting to play on offense (no matter how silly I think that may be given how amazing he looked in the Army AA game at LB) would make sense for him reconsidering.
This kid wanted to be Blue but had to pick Auburn at the game because of all the chaos. Let him start out at WR, if that's what he wants. He did make a heck of an impression at LB in the all star practices.
From all I've read he's a good kid and good leader. Vocal, positive and a hard worker, something all great programs are built on.
Hoke, get all over Zettel like white on rice. With your DL expertise that kid can see the NFL at Michigan just as likely as at PSU.
If he does commit to UM, we need some Frost Warning graphics...
He is a must in this class if we can get him. I agree with what was posted above about him and the Army All-American game. He looked like a stud out there at LB and I hope Hoke is able to convince him to come to Michigan. GO BLUE Kris!
I'm completely torn re: Frost.
On one hand UM needs all the elite talent it can get at this point especially on the defensive side of the ball; on the other hand I'm annoyed that Frost claimed to be a lifelong UM fan and was a silent commit (confirmed by Sam Webb on WTKA recently) but bailed out on UM when the going got tough.
I know it's petty...but there it is.
The 10 guys who were recruiting him for a couple years have been swept out of town (well, Fred Jackson might be back).
I don't blame him for choosing another school.
And regardless, he's going to be a beast as soon as he accepts that linebacker is his future.
I don't think that it's unreasonable for an 18-year old kid making the biggest decision of his life to change his mind when the entire coaching staff that's been working with him is completely gutted.
What if the new staff won't give him a chance at WR? What if they don't want him at all? What if they're going a completely different direction than what you're expecting? What if Michigan hired a guy that you thought was a complete tool based on interactions that you've had with them?
Not to mention the fact that he may have thought that RR was treated unfairly, which could have given him a bad impression of DB and the athletic department in general--- to see how this could enrage someone, look at any one of the thousands of posts on this board that would express the same emotions.
To say, "Well, I might not want this guy because he didn't completely leverage his future on a completely unknown situation and just should have sucked it up and committed." is petty and ridiculous.
I was under the impression that Frost was a kid who grew up a UM fan, not a fan of RR and his staff, but of the UM football program (and the University) in its entirety. This was the basis for my expressed disappointment. If he was merely a fan of RR/his staff, then his change of heart makes complete sense.
If I was incorrect in that belief, my apologies to any one offended by my remarks.
All things considered, I'd imagine M will go after Kris hard. But, if he's set on playing O instead of D, that's another story. Definitely less of a priority for M. And there are other fine receivers available.
and will realize that their kids who play defense would greatly benefit from Hoke, and they will influence them as much as they can.
around 2:15 eastern on the SVP show
If Hoke hasn't actually signed a contract yet, isn't he just the Michigan football coach in name only?
Therefore since he isn't officially the coach yet, isn't he free to call anybody he wants to.
I don't know for sure but I would think there would be some temporary document drawn up to name him to the position until the official contract can be signed. thought I heard Brandon say that the legal language takes some time to be put in written form.
If he were to call kids without the document he may be looked at as a booster or liason of the University which I'm sure the f'in NCAA has a rule on.
He can, and is, operating under a verbal contract at this point, which is binding. His intent was to agree to coach the University of Michigan's football team, and Brandon's intent, as AD, was to hire him for such a position. As such, there was a "meeting of the minds," which is all that is required for such a contract. Now, terms such as duration and all other stuff will obviously be reduced to writing, etc., but he can absolutely be "under contract" even if it isn't in writing; that's the first thing we learned in Contracts in law school: a contract does not have to be written for it to be binding.
I took this class.
I'm pretty sure if the terms of the contract haven't been worked out it isn't a valid contract.
You can argue that Hoke is working in good faith with the understanding that he is going to be the head coach at Michigan once the terms of the agreement is finished. But I'm pretty sure until both sides agree on what each is giving up and gaining he's not an actual employee of the University of Michigan.
I'm not trying to argue, just trying to find a way around NCAA rules, and I'm sure even if we find a technicality in rather or not Hoke is the actual coah yet there is some other bylaw that would stop him from contacting a recruit.
I'm not trying to argue, just trying to find a way around NCAA rules
you're from the SEC right?
For what's it's worth I took a gander over at the Auburn boards on ESPN to see what they were saying. This was the first thread and most updated one on frost. a few other threads seem to contridict but like i said, take it for what it's worth.
Some of the other threads were saying they already talked to him and his parents and he's going to gray shirt. Don't know if anyone else heard anything in regards to this
usually/never gray shirts.