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Submitted by MGlobules on

Terry Foster has an interview with EMU Regent Jim Stapleton about why only six yards etcetera can work in the B1G and why Hoke is a true Michigan man, destined to become a legendary coach:

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/columnists/terry-foster/2014/09/22/foster-michigan-job-big-brady-hoke/16065277/

If thinking like this really prevails at the top--and it certainly has in the past--they will find our players' bones in the La Brea tar pit before we are ever good again. 

 

PurpleStuff

September 22nd, 2014 at 11:00 PM ^

I like his dumbass criteria combined with the reality that 3/5 of our offensive linemen are under 300 pounds and we can't run the ball for shit against any team with a pulse.

MANBALL!!!!!!!!

raleighwood

September 22nd, 2014 at 11:09 PM ^

I'm surprised that the weight of the o-line isn't mentioned more often.  To be fair, the three that are under 300 are all in the upper 290's but I think that it's a very valid point.  I'd love to see the average weight (and age) of the o-line for the Top  20 teams.  My guess is that Michigan will come out on the light side (and probably young side).

PurpleStuff

September 22nd, 2014 at 11:17 PM ^

Molk and Omameh were lighter guys who were very good players.  Minnesota's linemen I don't recall being very big when they were such a great under-center rushing attack with Mason at the helm.  It's just funny to see yet another boob talk out of his ass about the B1G bruising powerhouse Hoke is building when the reality is so far from the perception.

CalifExile

September 23rd, 2014 at 3:22 PM ^

No. Name Pos. Year Letter Hgt. Wgt. Class Hometown State High School
50 Molk, David OL 2007   6-2 280 Fr. Lemont IL Lemont Township
50 Molk, David OL 2008 v 6-2 282 So./Fr. Lemont IL Lemont Township
50 Molk, David OL 2009 v 6-2 275 Jr./So. Lemont IL Lemont Township
50 Molk, David OL 2010 v 6-2 287   Lemont IL Lemont Township
50 Molk, David OL 2011 v 6-2 286 RS SR Lemont IL Lemont Township

Also, take into account his mental toughness.

BlueGoM

September 23rd, 2014 at 8:33 AM ^

UM

52    Mason Cole    OL    6-5    292    FR

78    Erik Magnuson    OL    6-6    294    RS SO

60    Jack Miller    OL    6-4    299 RS JR

61    Graham Glasgow    OL    6-6    311    RS JR

71    Ben Braden    OL    6-6    322    RS SO



alternate

67    Kyle Kalis    OL    6-5    298    RS SO



average weight: 303.6

w/Kalis instead of Glasgow:  301.0

 

MSU

74    Jack Conklin    OT    6-6    303    SO

63    Travis Jackson    OL    6-4    291    SR

66    Jack Allen    C    6-2    299    JR

76    Donavon Clark    OL    6-4    306    JR

79    Kodi Kieler    OL    6-6    304    SO



average weight:  300.6

 

 

 

 

DonAZ

September 23rd, 2014 at 12:17 AM ^

"Hoke is still a great guy. Just not the guy for this job."

It's not that he's incapable of being the guy for this job ... it's that he doesn't seem willing to do what's necessary to be that guy.  He needs to let go of his 1990's notions, some or most of his position coaches from Ball State and SDSU, and honestly seek guidance from some steady hands in the top echelons of this sport.

He has most of the puzzle pieces to be a good coach save a few.  Get the few.

Failing that ... the program moves on from him.  It's that simple.

 

 

SFBlue

September 22nd, 2014 at 11:13 PM ^

Right, I have been ranting about this all afternoon (Pacific time).  How did Stoogies like Brandon and Stapleton come to have such sway?  Stapleton is trying to deflect criticism of the program by turning it into a kulturkampf against outsiders.  The delusion and insularity are like the French aristrocracy before the revolution...

South TX MFan

September 22nd, 2014 at 11:13 PM ^

Bench Gardner and give Shane the experience before next year. One more shot with a team full of returning starters that are his recruits.

OR, realize that in 2 games against teams with a pulse we failed to even get into the redzone and scrap the whole damn thing. I mean, not once in 2 games. In fact, we never even crossed the 30 against ND and did that only twice against Utah. Good grief that's embarrassing.

Cranky Dave

September 22nd, 2014 at 11:32 PM ^

Winning the Big 10 the real goal? Shouldnt the goal be to win the national championship? Going to the p,ayof every now and then would certainly be nice but i think the bar should be higher

jcouz

September 23rd, 2014 at 6:07 AM ^

This was Bo's goal 40 years ago when it was the only goal they could control. Win the B10 was an automatic Rose Bowl no matter the rankings. It is this dumb shit stuck in the past mentality that I can't stand.

El Jeffe

September 23rd, 2014 at 12:04 AM ^

I found it interesting that the 11-2 season was being used as a reason not to fire Hoke--but not for the reasons you would think.

"This is the fourth year and I understand the impatience of Michigan fans," Stapleton said. "I understand they want to win right away. What they don't understand is the 11-2 season was a mirage. It was not indicative of where Michigan football truly was. It was a great job by those kids but it set an unrealistic expectation for the uneducated."

SalvatoreQuattro

September 23rd, 2014 at 7:24 AM ^

This man is uniquely "uneducated" when it comes to sports. He claimed racial bias when EMU fired English and Charles Ramsey(basketball) even though they got 5 and 6 years to create a winner. He was also part of the Tigers during their historical ly bad 2003 season. The man has influence because he has money and nothing more.

mikoyan

September 23rd, 2014 at 10:35 AM ^

Let's see:

0-12

2-10

6-6 (Eastern's best season in a long time...but 2 of those wins against 1AA opponents....)

2-10 (back to normal form)

1-8 (Fired after tape is released from locker room...would not happen to a coach who hand control of his team)

There were other reasons to fire him.

And Ramsey:

7-21

13-19

14-17

8-24

17-15

9-22

I heard through the grapevine he had locker room issues too.

Besides, if it were race...would they have hired Murphy?  I'm just hoping that Murphy stays for a couple more years since he seems to have the team going the right way.

Alton

September 23rd, 2014 at 7:35 AM ^

http://mgoblog.com/category/user-tags/football-rich-rodriguez-michigan-…

Jim Stapleton is the former Michigan Student-Athlete and current EMU regent who was the leader of a "faction" (for lack of a better word) who were trying from day 1 to sabotage Rich Rodriguez.  Obviously, Mr. Stapleton's goal became a lot easier after 2008, but that's not what I am talking about.  I'm talking about him saying Mr. Rodriguez was fundamentally unsuited to the Michigan job because he did not have a previous link with the University of Michigan.

Mr. Stapleton was a friend of Ron English and was furious (along with many people inside Michigan's athletic department and also along with many football alumni, especially from the 1995-2007 era) that a person from Lloyd Carr's coaching tree wasn't hired for the job, even though there really wasn't a serious candidate from that tree.  Mr. English became Eastern Michigan's coach almost entirely due to the intervention of Mr. Stapleton.  Mr. Stapleton made several statements to his friends in the press in 2008 about how Mr. Rodriguez is not a "True" Michigan coach, and apparently he is still making those statements. 

Now that Brady Hoke is the last person from Mr. Carr's time at Michigan who is a head coach anywhere in the country, you may see that many people from that group of 1995-2007 "Michigan Men" and their allies will fight to keep him where he is.

MGlobules

September 23rd, 2014 at 8:01 AM ^

word among posters accompanying the article at the Detnews was he leaded some of the stuff to the Freep that brought on the sanctions, possibly with Lloyd's connivance (I hope that the latter isn't true). I got out Three and Out last night to reread. . . 

saveferris

September 23rd, 2014 at 12:27 PM ^

Jim Stapleton is widely rumored to be the leak that tipped off Rosenberg and Snyder about the inconsistencies in Michigan's CARA documentation, which eventually lead to the Freep's hackneyed "expose".  He is not a friend of Michigan and I could give 2 shits about his opinion regarding what is wrong with our program.

rainking

September 23rd, 2014 at 8:01 AM ^

I agree it'd be nice if Hoke won more games, but when UM hires a guy and gives him a 5 year contract, are they not acknowledging it might take 5 years to turn things around? UM blew RRod out early, and now the same might happen to Hoke? Then why even bother with all the pre-hire talk like "yup, it's gonna take 5 years to fix this disaster..." and then whack the guy (Hoke or whoever it is) beforehand. And UM can't use the "program is on the decline" excuse -- Rich Rod's record was better each year. Just askin'

MGlobules

September 23rd, 2014 at 8:05 AM ^

But when it becomes obvious to everyone, as you lurch between disasters, that a thing isn't working, and you face the question of contract re-negotiations in the last year of a contract, the picture is a little different. Obviously the rot goes beyond Hoke. 

._.

September 23rd, 2014 at 8:28 AM ^

I always thought those types of people were just strawmen we invented to vent our rage at the lack of success of the football program.

 

But nope. They are real.

mikoyan

September 23rd, 2014 at 9:59 AM ^

Why is that name familiar?  Oh yeah, I think he was the main reason why Eastern Michigan hired Ron English.  And Ron English tried to ram the 3 yards and a cloud of dust down Eastern's throat.  That's great if you can recruit all of the tools to go with it.  But there are only so many hulking linemen to go around.....At least he stayed out of Eastern's current hire and hopefully Eastern will return to mediocrity.....

 

mikoyan

September 23rd, 2014 at 9:59 AM ^

Why is that name familiar?  Oh yeah, I think he was the main reason why Eastern Michigan hired Ron English.  And Ron English tried to ram the 3 yards and a cloud of dust down Eastern's throat.  That's great if you can recruit all of the tools to go with it.  But there are only so many hulking linemen to go around.....At least he stayed out of Eastern's current hire and hopefully Eastern will return to mediocrity.....