Also according to Kiper Molk is only the #3 center in the draft, so he may just be an idiot.
Peppers at 10, which seems low.
Also according to Kiper Molk is only the #3 center in the draft, so he may just be an idiot.
I love Molk, but there are some players that don't necessarily translate directly to the NFL. Molk's size as well as his interest primarily being from zone blocking teams, limit him somewhat. #3 Center isn't actually very bad considering these two options.
Are you one of those people who gets pissed whenever Michigan isn't voted #1 in something? Just because he won the Rimington doesn't mean he's the best NFL prospect at center.
Do you think Jason White should have been the #1 pick in the 2004 NFL Draft, too?
My post was mostly supposed to be comedic, but it appears it wasn't that funny. I get that #1 center in college doesn't necessarily mean #1 center in the NFL, but Denard a #1 or #2 receiver when he has never played the position? I think that's a little ridiculous, although I haven't really done enough studying to know what the WR position looks like in the class of 2012.
As for calling me out about thinking that UM should be #1 in everything.... I called Kiper stupid for saying Denard is a #1 pick at receiver, so I think we can debunk that.
thikn about it this way. Denard runs a 4.31 40'. Hes got to have at the very least decent hands, and we all have seen his quick burst. Put him in a possession receiver role, and I guarentee he puts up Welker #s. While I get the "but hes too fast to be a possession receiver hes a vertical threat" argument, the idea would be to get Denard the ball in space with CBs and S's trying to tackle him, and just watch the magic happen.
i think durability would be a major concern at rb. that and he would have to add about 20 lbs.
just guarantee that a guy who has never played receiver before will put up numbers equal to one of the most prolific WRs in NFL history? That seems far fetched...
On the other hand, I was watching the olympic trials the other day and I saw a tall muscular guy throw a javelin several hundred feet. I know he's got a strong arm, and he sounded pretty smart in the post-event interview. Therefore, I predict that he will eventually put up Peyton Manning-ish numbers in the NFL.
If he is accurate enough with that javelin, he could play both ways. On offsense, he'd be able to create lots of room for his receivers and so therefore I'd predict he'd far exceed Manning. On defense, he could play deep safety and "intercept" anything that gets thrown.
Molk is slightly undersized for an NFL center, so this is not completely implausible. I could see a team with a power run game wanting to take a larger guy over him. That said, theyd be making a mistake. Also, Denard is not the #1-2 WR. Thats pure hype
You're being generous. I'd say it's pure idiocy.
There's no question that Denard is a great athlete, but that does not necessarily translate into being a great, or even mediocre receiver. How good are his hands? Catching a pass from a cannon-armed QB is not the same as getting a shotgun snap. Can he catch the ball in traffic? Can he catch the ball when he knows he's going to get blasted a split-second after? Can he block reliably and consistently? How good is he in fighting off DBs during his route? Nobody knows, because he's never had to do these things.
Kiper's just talking out of his ass, which is hardly a unique thing for him.
Certainly nothing to get bent about from a UM fan perspective since we all know he won't play QB in the NFL.
EDIT- How exactly am I trolling? Just because I said he won't play QB in the NFL? Jeez, is that really trolling or just an honest opinion of what will most likely be the reality of Denard's NFL days?
I didn't neg you, but how's this for an explanation. Saying we all know he won't be an NFL QB is hardly offering an honest opinion of what will likely be Denard's NFL future. Offering your own opinion is fine. Claiming we all must agree with you, especially when you should know damn well that many do not, is going to get you negged.
He's gotta be better than Darrius Heyward-Bey, right?
I'm not saying he will be a good WR, but he does have the one thing that no coach in the NFL can teach, and that is his speed/acceleration/agility. After watching the Sports Science clip on Denard, I'd have to believe someone in the NFL could use his elite athleticism. Maybe not as first round pick, but worth the upside at 2 or 3.
He was a track star who played for the 49ers for a while under pretty much the same logic Kiper is using here. He had great speed but wasn't terribly successful and went back to track about a year or so after the 49ers drafted Jerry Rice.
I would guess that Molk will be lucky to be the #3 center off the board.
That said, if he really did say this about Denard, I think he's waaaay off base.
I'd take this extremely well. There is absolutely no chance that Denard can play QB in the NFL from what I've seen in college. Thus, if he's going to be drafted at WR or KR/PR, I'm glad he's a top flight candidate who will be getting paid.
The guy is one of the best people I've had the good fortune of watching on Saturdays and certainly deserves to get paid millions when he does head into the draft.
I figured that he would be drafted as a Percy Harvin or Devin Hester type of player. Kick returns, punt returns, WR used for trick plays, speed back, etc.
You never know, though. Maybe Tebow, Newton, and RG3 make an impact on the NFL and some team takes Denard as a project to see if they can make a bit of the spread work in the NFL.
Well those guys are much bigger than Denard. The smallest guy on that list is RG3 and hes 6'2 215 and is a much better passe than Denard is. I love Denard, but there is a 0% chance he plays QB on sundays. Could def see him return kicks and be a wildcat type player.
Pat White? Playing baseball these days.
Harvin played a bunch of different positions at Florida inlcuding receiver. Denard may turn out to be a great receiver, but you simply don't know if he has the hands to play the position or, for that matter, return punts. I have often wondered why, as a freshman, they didn't try him on punt/kickoff returns.
We effectively had 2 QBs. You don't want to take the chance that you injure your backup.
I'd draft Denard #1 at my World Peace Convention, but that's just me.
million dollar grin is worth millions
I think it is an outrageous comment for sure. The response in the article, identifying a single play where he played receiver and didn't make a catch in tight coverage, was also ridiculous. Apparently, if you are a top receiver, you catch every ball thrown in your vicinity, even as a true freshman.
or with the right coaching, could turn into a poor man's desean jackson.
How bout a rich man's desean jackson? Denard clearly has a better attitude.
To say that Denard is a better NFL option at WR than Blackmon is borderline reckless. Perhaps Kiper is already making his lists for 2013 draft?
Is there a difference between an "option receiver" and a regular receiver? Is that another way of saying "slot" or "possession receiver"?
He said WR option
As in WR choice
Tacopants is the number one receiver. His height tends to give him an advantage.
He's got infinite eligibility, and given that he's been here since... 2004?... I don't think he'll be declaring for the draft any time soon.
Though I heard that the Broncos might take Tacopants to help out Tebow. Just a rumor, but you never know
Tebow's problem is more not getting the ball to the receiver or throwing it behind the receiver. As good as Tacopants is, I'm not sure he'd be able to assist Timmy Te-bow as much as we might think.
I'd like Brian to do a full UFR on this topic.
Nonsense. Tacopants has long arms befitting someone 11 feet tall so he can make those grabs behind him with ease.
Hopefully Tacopants can leave in time for Denard's senior season. Tacopants is too selfish and gets to many catches.
Seeing as how Denard is not going to be in the draft this year and is not better at WR than Floyd or Blackmon. I do wonder if we'll see any Denard at WR plays next year with the further development of Devin.
Seems premature to project him as a receiver when there is no evidence on his hands or route-running ability. Wouldn't he be just as likely to end up at corner, where hands would be much less of an issue and QB experience usually helps in reading plays?
He'll return kickoffs and possibly punts in any case.
Well he wouldn't be the #1 or 2 prospect at QB so it's cool to see he could project really high at another position.
is an idiot. That is how you should take it.
So is Kiper really saying a 5'10-6' tall fast guy who's never played wide receiver could be the #1 or #2 receiver off the board next year i.e. a first rounder? Call me skeptical
Desean Jackson is 5'10, 175 lb (but was taken in the second round). Still, pretty close
Kiper might have had an argument.
Didn't Denard make a comment earlier this year that he's never had a reception his entire career? He'll be a RB or a QB at the next level, IMO.
not big enough to be an nfl rb imo, and he has to dramatically improve his accuracy to have any hope of playing qb in the nfl. but hey, i've been wrong before. i'd love to see him become the next great nfl qb.
realistically, though, i see him as being a punt and kick returner. he needs to be in open space to utilize what really makes him special, and he could be really dangerous in that position. but who knows, he could be a wideout. i could also see him in on some wildcat or other trick plays.
ever heard of chris johnson?
A guy who can get to 30 consistently or quick or make one or two cuts and be gone a handful of times a year has become a big deal.
I would at least like to see him sneak onto the field and return a kick in a late season game (Ohio or a bowl game) after being used back there as a decoy in a few confernece games.
Gorges is going to have fun with this news.
In the NFL he should also be used as a 3rd down back like sproles from NO. His experiene at QB should help him identify the blitz pick up while using his speed to catch a few passes out of the backfield and quickly pick up the first down/occasionally break off a TD.
If this happens, he needs to send a cut of his check to Devin Hester. After he started returning kicks abound for TDs, everyone wanted their own. See: Miami Dolphins and Ted Ginn.
Don't get me wrong...Denard is my favorite athlete in all of sports. But he is just that.
Based on Denard's career so far, I can't really argue with Kiper on this one. He simply hasn't demonstrated the level of consistency necessary to prove he can succeed as an NFL quarterback. There should be a place in the league for him just due to his sheer athleticism, but not as a QB.
But hopefully Denard takes this as motivation and proves us all wrong.
It makes a lot of sense when you think about the fact that it doesn't make sense.
...can he catch?
Who cares he's fast as hell. The only way he goes #2 at WR is if Usain Bolt joins the draft.
The crazy thing is, I wouldn't be that shocked to see Denard being able to hang with Bolt for 20-30m (which is about what matters in football anyway). Sure, Bolt would destroy Denard after that, but I still wouldn't be surprised to see their "football speed" be more similar than people might think.
I don't really know why people are getting so riled up about this. It's a huge compliment regarding the fact that Denard will probably be the best athlete in the draft next year. He still has a lot left to prove if he wants to reach his goal of being a QB, but is a good enough football player to go in the 1st round regardless of how well he does in achieving that goal. I still think with Denard's work ethic and what he showed in the last few games of the regular season that he could surprise a lot of people next year, but I also think it's most likely that he'll wind up as a Reggie Bush/Jahvid Best type of guy in the NFL.
Denard is such a freak athlete that he's going to be drafted high, maybe without a set position. The Bears drafted Devin Hester as a 1st rounder, he played mostly DB in College, and returned kicks. That worked out very well for the Bears (except for the part where they paid him like a #1 receiver.... See Ya Angelo!) There's a long history of former QBs succeeding in the NFL elsewhere - look at Randle El, Brad Smith, Etc. Denard is faster than those guys, it'll be interesting to see what the team that drafts him decides to do.
IMO Denard should go to the combine as a QB. Set all kinds of records for QBs. Work out as a QB. And make it clear to teams that he'd "like to be a QB, but isn't adverse to finding other ways onto the field as well" or something like that.
a second rounder, but yeah.
In other words, he should be the anti-Terrelle Pryor, which he already kinda is.
and I like the idea of him catching a few more passes, but deep balls, next year.
He will be a return man in the NFL and possibly a slot receiver, but a guy who can play some QB in a pinch. I see him as a late econd rounder and a fan favorite wherever he goes.
Did we ever hear what the NFL advisors told him? Im not sure he'd want to make that public but it would cool to know.
Maybe the Lions could take a WR in the first round! They haven't done that in a while.
One of these guys went #1 in the draft the other still has one more year in college.
Career Passing: 338 Cmp, 580 Att, 4931 Yds, 40 TD
Career Rushing: 546 Att, 3229 Yds, 5.9 Avg, 35 TD
Career Punting: 2 Punts, 41 Yds, 20.5 Avg
Career Scoring: 35 TD, 210 Pts
Career Passing: 192 Cmp, 342 Att, 3299 Yds, 21 TD
Career Rushing: 212 Att, 1202 Yds, 5.7 Avg, 16 TD
Career Scoring: 8 TD, 48 Pts
I'm saying that with another year and growth in the west coast and his accuracy improves who knows.
the top stats are definitely Robinson. Who is the bottom? (Michael) Vick?
Used this argument yesterday to say that Denard still has a decent chance of going as a QB.
He argued that dual threat didn't matter to Atlanta so then I compared Vicks final college QB stats to Case McCoy (not Colt) and they had fairly equal numbers and Case is no where near NFL ready.
Either way, Vicks stats were really mediocre so I guess Atlanta just took him on faith...
|1999||Virginia Tech||Big East||QB||105||181||58.0||2065||11.4||11.6||13||5||172.0|
|2000||Virginia Tech||Big East||SO||QB||87||161||54.0||1234||7.7||7.0||8||6||127.4|
|1999||Virginia Tech||Big East||QB||108||585||5.4||8||0||0||0||108||585||5.4||8|
|2000||Virginia Tech||Big East||SO||QB||104||617||5.9||8||0||0||0||104||617||5.9||8|
Career Scoring jacked up? These kind of stats just speak more to longevity at a glance. A lot more to the story as we all know.
I love Denard and all but he also has had roughly double the interceptions Vick has had. Also: Vick has shown a tremendous ability to scramble while Denard has shown little to no ability to scramble. (almost a steadfast resistance)
Denard actually has some zip on his balls. With another off-season and more work with Borges, I could see him raising his QB stock significantly if next year is a break-out year as a passer (in which case, his deity status will be official). He could use a bit more height, but so could Drew Brees. Someone will find a spot for him as a returner, if nothing else, but I'd be disappointed if that's all that he does. As far as #1 or 2 WR, yes, Kiper still has a job because he is completely unaccountable for the accuracy of his predictions.
More relevantly, none of this is relevant yet. Kiper needs a hobby.
he wont get a chance at qb in the nfl unless he improves to drew brees accuracy. all the successful dual threats in the nfl are a lot more accurate than denard. besides tebow. but tebow is big and can take the abuse. i can see him as a kick/punt returner. or a 3rd down back like a darren sproles. i just hope he wins us a BIG 10 championship.
Harold Camping is better at predicting the end of the world than Kiper is at predicting these things. Let's see Denard play his Sr. season first.
Does anyone actually know if Denard can do that thing where receivers reach out to those balls flying in the air and grab them? I might have heard somewhere that that's an important thing for a receiver to do.
Denard Robibson is going to fall in line with a whole line of others that have played qb in college and made great 'playmakers' at the next level . . . get him in space or out on the edge! BOOM!
Yeah. So many of Denard's big throws have been, let's face it, jump-ball prayers. Obviously, there's a skill to that. Up to a point. It will be interesting to see which way the wind blows when Junior isn't around to make miracle catches.
Millen would draft him
Robert Woods called and wants his 2012 Biletnikoff Award back. You can keep the O'Brien though.
Good for Denard. He's going to make a lot of money in the NFL.
I could see him being a first round pick. He's definitely got value as a kick returner and he could line up in the backfield as a rb, as a wildcat qb. He is going to be a great NFL player however he plays.
Has anyone actually ever doubled checked all of these so-called draft niks and signing board experts? I suspect they'll turn out pretty much like the so-called football gambling experts who offer their "lock of the century this week" and end up fifty/fifty about their predictions. Just look at the rosters of the NFL teams which played last week: Tim Tebow was a hugely rated and recruited high school football player and he fulfilled that promise in college and made it to start as a pro - a statistically improbable event for most high school players, even all stars. Tom Brady was almost a transfer. Joe Placco ended up at Delaware and not one of the other bigger name places which he had an interest in. Alex Smith for all of his hype coming out of college was a regular on the biggest NFL busts until he finally met a coaching staff which could work with what he had.
I hope all of the UM players who want a pro career find a place and do well - whether as a superstar QB or as special teams regular. For those whose pro dreams don't work out, I hope that their UM days and degree will help them become productive members of society.
Huge compliment because it's clear he's not an nfl qb and we l knew he was being projected as a wr/kr/pr wildcat qb etc so what's the problem?........other than can be catch lol. And by the way I love Mel benn watching him rate draft picks since I was a kid so I'm going with his opinion
So if you're Denard, do you go to Coach Hoke and ask to get reps at WR, maybe look for a Percy Harvin role?
I wouldn't put anything past this guy succeeding at any position in the NFL
I think Denard could be a top bobsledder. Why not?
I think Denard could play a similar role like josh cribbs
...and to be fair, I would like to see his senior season first, but it is nice to see that Dilithium is at least highly thought of as an athlete by the traditional NFL draft pundits.
As for being a WR in the NFL, it's hard to say because we're trying to infer his capability at the position based on his athleticism and his performance as a QB. I don't know if that necessarily translates to being one of the top receivers in the draft. A team would be taking a bit of a risk, I think, in drafting him as their go-to WR just based on that. I could definitely see him in a specialist or situational role in that regard though (KR, option plays, etc..), at least based on three years of watching him play.
Regardless, I think he'll make it in some capacity and I would wish him nothing but success wherever he went. He's been a pleasure to watch at the Big House.
I would love to see Denard in the NFL at any position. I think he's earned it. However, unless he wins a super bowl with an heroic catch in the endzone to clinch the win (not ruling it out) his legacy in my mind will always be dilithium-infused super quarterback of the Michigan Wolverines. Hard to see anything changing that.