As you have made abundantly clear, you think that Rodriguez has done a terrible job since becoming Michigan's head coach. You have not, however, justified why. As such, I challenge you to compile a list of well thought out reasons that the team has performed poorly, and why they are Rodriguez's fault. And for the record, well thought out does not simply mean saying that the defense sucks. It means stating the specific reasons that you think have contributed to the defense performing poorly. And if you prove incapable of engaging in a legitimate debate, then I will ask that you simply shut up.
To the King of Belch
This ought to finish well.
Your sentiment is dead on. I probably shouldn't have posted this. I'm just fed up after a day that sucked to epic proportions and thus did not respond well upon reading his inane comments upon logging in.
At least you're up-front about your reaction.
Yeah. It was sarcastic. For as much as his posts tend to be very contradictory to the board at large, I find that many times I can agree with things he says. The way he phrases it isn't the most cordial (understatement of the year?), but he does sometime carry some logical thought. That and he's very good at pointing out flaws in logic.
If you do attempt to argue with him, think before you post, stay cool-headed, and be prepared to just let things go and end it if you get too frustrated. Some things you'll just never see eye to eye on.
EDIT: I'll actually suggest that type of posting for anyone on these boards. The more you think about what you're saying the better. So many stupid things come out after losses. So many stupid things come out in general.
reading KOB's posts. He is in your face and doesn't care whether you like what he has to say or not. That's a treat in a place were original thoughts seem to be frowned upon from time to time.
I have often agreed with things he has said on a variety of other topics, even though he is generally discourteous (but then again, I'm not exactly one to judge). However, he has been harping on this topic for awhile now and I would like to hear some concrete points from him as to his reasoning.
biggest beef - he has hired bad defensive coordinators.
biggest beef - he has hired bad defensive coordinators.
my breath is baited...
is definitely going to end well.
If nothing else, I at least propose that the current headline be changed to the more informative, "An Exercise in Troll-Feeding"
Wait for it... wait for it.
Have we locked down yet? I think I see Russian paratroopers coming down from the sky....
Isn't this the second post today just about the King? That's impressive.
EDIT: here is the other one
I said earlier.
It's good to be the King.
Just three days ago he was a -786 points and tonight he is in the +781 range. Just not possible without being added by historical pos-banging. Just sayin'
He was at like +900-something when I first looked today. I figured Brian or somebody else had just given him a thousand points to see how fast they could disappear.
I'm pretty sure I saw him at +1086 at some point today.
The fact that he's lost several hundred points in one day is kinda funny.
No matter what he posts, there's going to be at least 20 negative votes on him within an hour. what's the point? even though he packages his argument in a pretty dumb way, he's entitled to his opinion, even if it is decidedly against the grain of what most people who actively post here seem to think. dissent from the "party line" should not automatically equal a swift and savage neg-bang.
I agree. with the final sentence.
If he has a legitimate reason for disliking Rodriguez, then he shouldn't be negged. If he is griping because he's not used to losing and spends his time spewing venom about Rodriguez because he can't take it, then he should. I do not know whether he has any justification for his views because he has yet to express them.
Part of the reason he gets negged is because he deviates from the party line. It's annoying, but it happens to everyone who does so, and is why Mgopoints are generally unimportant. However, he also gives Rodriguez a lot of crap without much justification, which is somewhat stupid and annoying, and leads to further negging.
Single posts should be judged off their merit alone, but that is admittedly idealistic.
He could make a post saying nothing but "I love kittens" and it'd sport a -60 point total.
to dislike RR. Like not kicking a field goal when we're down 8. But, you're right, the Belch really hasn't explained himself very well. I think he disliked Rod from the start. There are possible reasons for that. But, no one really knows for sure. Kinda like the the musch inside of Pryor's brain --- don't really know what's in there.
True. The dude really can't win in regards to points no matter what he does. There are posts by him sometimes that I don't agree with, but aren't real egregious, yet are still negbanged 20-30 points. Sometimes I pos him in those instances just because the post isn't *that* bad so as to warrant the really huge amount of negging that customarily accompany his posts.
maybe he felt an urge of sympathy...nahhhh
More likely, looking for some new streak or record that Michigan's defense cannot crush
that RR is incapable of breaking.
KOB will not take kindly to this post and will poke several holes in the original post. Most importantly, the "call out" for not "justifying why". I am quite certain that KOB will point out that the original poster was very hypocritical by not doing the same (justifying why Rodriguez and the defense don't suck). Just saying is all.
I think it has been brought up too much lately. The whole attrition, poor recruiting, and small classes argument that has been going around. I was assuming this was the camp that the OP was in. It seems there is that side of the story, which most the board will agree with somewhat. The other side has not been broken down in much detail, in my opinion. Mostly RRod sucks kind of talk. As a non-KOB fan I am actually interested to see what he comes up with.
A quick rundown of why I think Rodriguez doesn't necessarily suck:
1. He inherited approximately zero depth. Coming into 2008, we were already weak on defense and had no QBs. Furthermore, we had an uninspiring corp of receivers, and an offensive line that was mediocre at best. Also, our previous recruiting classes were rather weak defensively, particularly at safety. I would go into this more, but it has been covered extensively by many on this site and I doubt I can replicate their feat.
2. We changed to a radically different system. Lloyd Carr ran a very traditional pound it up the middle offense, which favored strength over speed. Rodriguez tried to implement a spread offense based on speed. The players weren't compatible.
3. We failed to acquire a spread QB before year 1. There weren't many available either (other than BJ Daniels). Rodriguez chose to target Pryor, who he had a relationship with. He lost the recruiting battle. It sucks, but it's not like he can necessarily convince every recruit to come here. The result was a huge whole at QB last year that was filled by true freshman this year.
4. Culture shock led to attrition. This happens whenever there is an external hire, but was somewhat larger than usual in this case because there was a huge stylistic difference from Carr to Rodriguez. Perhaps that means we shouldn't have hired him, but it isn't his fault it exists, because it is unreasonable to expect him to change his coaching style just because the players are used to something else. It would also be detrimental in the long run anyway.
I could go more in depth, but I would prefer to here KOB's grievances before devoting more time to the matter.
EDIT: +1 for pointing out my stupidity, thank you.
are there so many threads about TKOB? There is some serious man crushin going on here.
TKOB. Where is he? Too drunk to f#ck?
Dead Kennedys reference.
For the official KOB response to this post.
Maybe he's just going to keep you waiting in an attempt to make you mad that he's not responding. Then, 3 days later, he unleashes a one lined response that hardly addresses the topic at hand that will piss off everyone that was hoping he'd actually make a legitimate response.
Or he could just be out enjoying a night on the town in Omaha.
Says so on a previous post of his anyway. Hopefully this doesn't disappear from the first page before he logs in again.
I also don't thik RR sucks. Just preparing you for KOB's retalliation. Check your flank bro.
Hope he looks to page two on the forums (or three or four or whatever). Ah well...
not to say he "sucks" but that hes made some big mistakes...:
a lot of people have said that its not rr's fault that the defense is so bad and has looked to the fact that we've had 3 dcordindators in 3 years. so yeah, we have but thats not like ya know something that had to happen. ron english, yeah i get it, he was a candidate for the head coaching job, rr basically had to fire him. okay. i get that. but then he hires shaffer, which more respected mgoblog members than myself (steve sharik) came out to say that he was a a good hire who we shouldnt fire and the other brian said it was rr's first strike. anyways, long story short we fire that guy thus setting the defense back another year.
then we hire gerg who people dont know if its going to work or not.
either way im drunk and dont know if this made sense but i think did.
Shafer was a coach that was very big on some (supposedly) kick-assed defensive schemes. The problem is that only works when a defense is very experienced. Furthermore, Shafer's designs were often counter intuitive and, as he was unable to teach his players exactly what he wanted them to do, ineffective. The result was a failure and Rodriguez deserves blame here. At the same time, every team has coaching problems with assistants (sometimes they don't work out for whatever reason) at one time or another and is therefore a forgivable mistake.
I personally think that Rodriguez may have done alright with picking Robinson. I'd give him two more seasons to make a competent defense, because he doesn't have much to work with but has been able to come up with a few packages to stymie teams, I like the way he's utilizing Stevie Brown and Craig Roh, and the tackling has, in my opinion, improved since last year.
I'd give Rodriguez two free failures as far as his initially hired assistants go (and as I count Hopson as a failure, he is barely passing) and maybe one failed replacement at a low-level position. Anything more leads to me losing confidence in his management abilities, which I'm already questioning.
No TKoB? Oh bother, I was looking forwards to it. I want to know what he sees that gives RR no chance.
TKOB?? I am also interested to see a response here. There have been a ton of threads in the last couple days so this may have just gotten lost.