Good God I'm scared about O Line depth.
Tennessee is not recruiting well just because they got 18 dudes
Good God I'm scared about O Line depth.
I think I have seen Barnum healthy for a full season regardless of if we has playing or not. I think the only year he did not have an injury was his redshirt year. Maybe Miller has been putting on some weight and his looking like that #2. Hard to tell at this point.
all of these decisions were player decisions, not the coaches. (According the presser)
The depth on the o line will be crazy thin again. Hopefully we stay fairly healthy like last year.
Wow! Well that explains Ricky Barnum moving to center. I wonder if they're going to try to do grad ruler transfers or drop down to 1-AA.
I'd bet they're just done playing football.
cox: obviously moving on to pursue his career as a bivouac model...
and could conceivably stomach playing football for one more year, I would definitely try and parlay that into grad school. I would have to think that one of the Ivy's or Rice or somewhere similar would love to have someone who spent four years competing for time at Michigan. It might not be a higher level than Michigan, but it would be a fantastic life move, IMO.
Just my random thought, though, maybe these guys have great jobs lined up or better plans than going straight to grad school. Either way, I'm obviously appreciative of their dedication to the program and wish them luck in the future.
Agreed, but then you need several things to happen.
1. If you want an Ivy, be able to afford that grad school or be in a position for need-based financial aid.
2. Find a grad program you want to pursue that Michigan doesn't offer, which is the real difficult one, I'd imagine.
Obviously this is all blowing smoke (for me, anyway, I'm sure I'd get lol'd out of a FCS tryout), but I think you can drop to FCS and play right away no matter what. You would have to pay for it, though, which like you said is usually a problem for anyone.
Yep, you're correct. My second comment was more directed at your Rice suggestion than the former schools.
Or maybe they are taking a non-sports career path with their lives.
Good luck to all of them and congratulations on graduating from Michigan, but good lord the Khoury graduation is a titanic loss.
Lewan out for the season is a titanic loss. If that's given, then you saying Khoury out is a titanic loss is just plain foolish. Yeah it hurts, but it's not the end of the world.
I agree it's not the end of the world, but this is bordering on the 2010 cornerback situation - Justin Turner leaves, Troy Woolfolk hurts his ankle, and we're down to starting Courtney Avery and playing Terrence Talbott/Cullen Christian. With Barnum's injury history, it's a little alarming.
Lets just hope that Jack Miller is coming along.
Yes "a little alarming" fits much better than "titanic loss". I think we'll be fine. We have some quality walkons. The coaches saw this coming, and they couldve definitely taken another 3 linemen in the 2012 if they were super concerned. Couldve just picked up a couple of low 3 stars, but they didn't. Have a bit of faith in the staff.
It didn't help that no one was teaching those guys to tackle though... I think the current O-line situation will be tempered by the fact that our coaching staff focuses so much on the lines.
don't string those 5 words together again.
I was hoping Terrance Robinson would get another year -- especially as we have scholarships to give -- as he was doing really well on special teams.
Good luck to them all!
All remaining offensive linemen have been wrapped in bubble-wrap and hermitically sealed, and will be cryogenically frozen until late August.
This is how the OL will be playing in spring practice
Honestly, unless the NFL/NCAA can resolve the concussion problem, that might be how football looks in 50 years. If the hits are always that hilarious, I'm 100% okay with that.
I would watch that sport all day long.
Bubbleball looks awesome! Do we have a team?
But how do you breathe in those things???
for a play clock. Play continues uninterrupted until everyone is asphyxiated.
That would suck to take a big hit and puke in one of those.
I think what is lost in this pic is the guy in red on the ground trying to get up.
Good offensive line play is clearly demonstrated in your GIF. the guy in the red shorts coming in from the left has great pad level with devastating results.
I now have something new to add to my "Things to Do Before I Die" list.
Where do you get one of those, or do you have to chew on a piece of a special kind of Willy Wonka gum?
Getting good use out of that gif--using it twice in one day is impressive.
This just reminded me of the board freakout last summer when we thought Demens had hurt his knee and was gone for the season. We freaked out on that thread for an hour before we learned that his friend had posted that on his facebook as a joke. That was crazy and I am not looking forward to immediately worrying about our o-line depth whenever there is a hint of an injury in pre-season practices.
posted at right about the same time you did. lol
...George Morales as well.
Done and done.
I believe we had enough scholarships for the incoming class without departures, and these were only going to be scholarships for 2012. 2013 and beyond remain unaffected.
Some walkons' parents are going to be very happy.
We still only have 19 spots for the class of 2013.
There are now 78 players on the roster who were given scholarships out of high school. Obviously, the other 7 scholarships will have to be doled out to former walk-ons, including Kovacs, Brink, and Glanda, among others.
...didn't Kovacs already get a scholarship? Or are you talking about a different technical detail? Or am I mixing things up with Van Slyke? And really, while I have no problems with a scholarship for any of these guys, Kovacs, Van Slyke, anybody else... My presumption is that after a long and successful career in MLB, Andy Van Slyke could have very comfortably paid tuition for Jared...
Bravo to all of them in any event. My favorite human interest stories in Michigan's football program are all of the walk-ons. Great stories, great kids.
Yes, he's on scholarship...but he didn't get a scholarship out of high school.
Noooo! My username is completely obselete now!
He was thought to have a chance to start, wasn't he?
Pretty surprised about Khoury. I just assumed we wanted as many warm bodies as we could get.
Thanks gentlemen. Michigan Men forever.
You're assuming that it wasn't Khoury's choice. He may be ready to get on with life, especially if he believes that there's no NFL for him.
Maybe he also knows he wouldn't see the field at Michigan, let alone the NFL.
Still surprising since he was #2 on the depth chart at center last year.
in this too. What if they are on pace to graduate and just don't want to go through the rigours of college football? Especially when none of them were locks to start.
This puts us at 24 for the 2013 class correct? Looks like the class could be even bigger than expected since Khoury was unexpected and we've got a long time til signing day.
No, they would have all been gone by the time the 2013 class was here anyway.
No impact on the 2013 class. Their scholorships would have been up after the 2012-13 year anyway.
Duh.. My bad.
Congrats to them all for graduating. It's understandable that someone not expecting to play much would want to leave school upon getting a degree rather than to stick around to go through practices and everything. Having said that, losing all of these guys is unfortunate and losing Khoury is terrifying.
on our recruiting class numbers this year?
No. All three were going to be seniors, so there's no additional scholarships for the class fo 2013 as those departures were already anticipated. However, this hopefully means more walk-ons can have scholarships this year.
Really, really surprised by Khoury. Wow, that's a big hit on depth. Hope Miller can win that center spot so Barnum can slide over to gaurd.
I'm hoping for Barnum to stay at center and for either Kalis or Chris Bryant to step up at guard.
Doesn't really matter does it as long as someone steps up? The best 5 will be out there either way.
Everyone still happy Kozan passed on us? Good god our center depth is frightening...
Kozan would have been good for depth in the future, this year not so much, he's still 17 years old, I find hard to believe that he would've played, specially with players like Kalis in his class who is way more college ready
He is young your right, but Kozan would have a better shot of playing center this year than Kalis...
Why? Kozan didn't play center in high school, either. The only difference is that Kozan was practicing snapping since his senior season ended, and Kalis hasn't (that I know of). Neither guy is a center "by trade" and Kalis is the better prospect, regardless.
We have more options at guard than center. If Miller wins the center job and keeps Barnum at guard, then we literally have ZERO backups at center except Elliott Mealer, who used to snap once in a while in practice when Rodriguez was here. With Khoury's departure, it's a near certainty that Barnum wins the center job.
Now it's just a battle between Mealer/Bryant/freshmen to start at left guard.
Magnus you are correct if you assume walkons play no role on the team. Given Jordan Kovacs, I wouldn't make that assumption myself.
"Now it's just a battle between Mealer/Bryant/freshmen to start at left guard." I would therefore insert /walkon to that statement.
I don't know of any walk-ons that are going to push for playing time at guard. Tackle, maybe.
Ok. Fair enough. Given that opinion though, you have a walkon at tackle and move Schofield to guard. See what I just did there? Then you have whichever guard that was replaced move to center. Yeah, it's far from ideal, but it's definitely workable.
Like I said, the battle is between Mealer/Bryant/freshmen for the guard position. Unless you want to add a bunch of hypotheticals.
I'm going under the impression that Miller is a pure center and won't be as great a back-up at guard. So if Miller wins his natural position, then we have more utility out of the starters and more flexibility with replacements. The oppoite is having Miller sitting on the bench only playing one position and not contributing as much. If Miller goes down, Barnum slides over from guard, and then can have another guard replace him. If we lose two centers then we're fucked either way.
and got hurt, Barnum would move back to center. No?
Yes...but that also means both your centers would be on the field to start with, which increases both their chances of getting hurt. And since Barnum's injury history suggests that he WILL get hurt, then that's a pretty big risk.
You know Magnus....I really wanted today to be a happy day. Then you had to come in here with your stupid facts, and logic and destroy any attempts I had a saying "We'll be fine"
Some of the players may be seeing the end of their football careers and have decided to move on with their M degrees.
Whatever way it was, good luck to you all and make us proud.
Depth wise, yes it hurts us at center to lose Khoury. However, I think if Barnum can play center, we can find a guard out of Mealer, Bryant, Kalis, or even Bars.
We'll be fine at guard. I'm not worried one bit.
Someone gets to Magnus' house quick and remove all the sharp objects!
That won't stop me from jumping.
Two story house?
how much damage can you do falling from your mom's basement?
You underestimate the dangers of a sump pump.
Hold the panic everyone. Just remember, the coaches know more than we do, maybe they have other ideas we haven't been exposed to yet...
guys have a shot at the pros? Cox in particular. It seems to me that half of the running backs in the NFL come from places I've never heard of.
Not likely at all, but not impossible if they can get on at a camp and maybe win a practice squad part.
I guess my "cool story bro" is that I saw Khoury & Morales out bowling together last month.
The friends that bowl together, depart the program together; I'm sure I've seen that cross-stitched on a pillow somewhere.
it's your fault for not talking them into returning when you had the chance?
Also since we have extra scholarships for next year why wouldn't we give them to these guys for another year?
because the players chose to leave, its not that we didn't renew.
What would you say is your only memory of T-Rob now?
a lot of us have that memory now -- probably even people in Ohio, I dare say.
I think that was the only highlight of Robinson that 95% of this board has seen.
Look at the widdle guy run.
If that's your only memory, you were not watching our special teams last year.
This nis odd to say the least. Why wouldn't these guys want to come play this fall, especially Khoury who was going to start?
I guess there's always some turnover with a new regime, just don't expect it from your seniors.
I will miss the frustrating potential that was Michael Cox. For some reason, I loved the way the guy ran and thought he was going to break through. Guess my misguided hope is officially graduated now. Best of luck to the dude.
Well he did average about 9 ypc for his career here, granted it was only on 19 carries but whatevs. I remember being pretty intrigued when we signed him, he had the size and seemingly the ability you would look for in a typical Michigan TB but he got stuck in the darkness and horror that was the RR regime. I really thought he could be Brandon Minoresque, not great but effective.
Good luck to all, and thanks for your dedication for the last four years.
This is the best for everyone. It will give the team a bit of "wiggle room" when it comes to schollies, walk-ons, and the 2013 recruiting class. Also, if any of them want a fifth year, they are free to take it at another school, preferably a smaller one, and take grad level classes.
I think it would be cool if they all took grad courses at EMU next year and gave Ron English a little boost.
I'm not going to be surprised if Kyle Kalis ends up at center. He's an excellect prospect for the position he just hasn't worked on the main part...snapping the ball. With that said, if he can pick that up, I can definitely see him playing center and allowing everyone to breathe easier. Not saying he starts, but if he can play there...we're much better off.
Can't wait til the 2013 class gets here and we can breathe a little easier on the line (while still added 4 more OLmen).