Per Ken Rosenthal's Twitter (Fox Sports):
Thanks a lot, douchebag.
Please don't mock me.
Please don't mock me
If Peralta starts serving his suspension immediately, then he can come back for the playoffs, correct? Since 109 + 50 < 162, I'm assuming Peralta can come back for the last series of the regular season and any playoff games. I'm asking b/c I read the Wojo article speculating that Peralta might have played his last game as a Tiger yesterday.
He is serving the suspension now because he is a free agent at the end of the year, and he won't have any lingering effects going into 2014... In all likelihood, he's probably played his last game as a Tiger, imho.
This is most likely correct, I think we've seen Jhonny's last game in an Ole English D (one of Dombrowski's most underrated trades by the way.) I'm waiting to hear what Scherzer has to say after the way he ripped on Braun for PED use and said he'd wait and see what happened to Jhonny before talking again.
Do you not know who the manager of this team is? Leyland will bring him back when they make the playoffs. And he won't give a shit about what the media says.
Nor should he give a shit what the media thinks.
If by damage, you mean the all-star season that kept our offense afloat in the first half of the season that was probably driven by steroids. I am fine with it. Bring him back if we need him for the playoffs.
It looks like he's moving out of his house FWIW. I live down the street in Birmingham
when Biogensis report leaked to the media, the Tigers knew that they have Peralta available for a short time but they don't know when. If they don't want him back, they could've benched or cut him before the suspension. The fact they still are playing him up til yesterday tells me that they would want him back for the playoff run.
He can, by the rules, come back and play after the 50 games. The speculation is if the team wants him back after all of this
They'll get Peralta some time in those 3 games to see how he does. If they are down by a run in the playoffs and need a big hit, I could see them putting Peralta in. I could also see them starting Peralta and then bringing in Iglesias for late-game defense. However, if Iglesias is hitting well, Peralta will sit on the bench.
Well Perez will likely be called back up, (I heard he never reported Erie in the first place after his demotion likely because the organization knew they'd need him today.) Hopefully Infante can go on a rehab assignment this week and Miguel can continue to heal because this team is going to need one of those 2 to play in Cleveland this week.
The Tigers need an extra bat with Miggy and Torii hurting.
Don't let facts get into the way of your narrative, but his bat certainly isn't awful.
He may not walk much but he hit nearly .300 in Erie and he's adjusted fairly well to major league pitchers since his horrendous first series against the White Sox, he'll provide just as much if not more with his glove and bat than Ramon Santiago.
Isn't that pretty much all of MLB? /definitely racist.
The weird thing, it was all Latin guys and one Jew (Braun). The Latin part makes sense since the place is in Miami, but it's kinda weird how Braun fits in since he's a Jewish kid from the Valley who plays in Milwaukee.
Braun played college ball in Miami, so he's not completely out of place.
On the one hand if he used PEDs he should be suspended, full stop. On the other hand he's a free agent at the end of the year, so it's possible that he would agree to the suspension even if he never used PEDs to avoid the possibility of greater damage to his market value should he challenge the suspension.
I dont think you'll ever see someone take a suspension "just because". The MLB has these guys dead to rights and they know it. This is their "get out of jail" free card and they are smart to take it.
A-Rod on the otherhand needs to be banned for life; getting caught once ('03), confessing and saying he was clean, then getting caught up in this as well as allegations that he bought off a witness and by far had the most involvement w/ Biogenisis means he should be done for life.
But the next contract is Peralta's last chance at a big pay day. That's a hell of a thing to gamble with.
part is complete B.S. You KNOW the NYY knew A-Rod was a dirty player and have taken advantage of it over the years. Now that they're on the outs and it's not in their fiscal best interests to keep him around they will "magically" get to have a get out of jail free card in regards to the worst contract in professional sports???
FCK the Spank-ees. They get what they deserve for that contract. They shouldn't be able to get out of all of it.
i hope you say the same thing at the end of Fielders contract.
and let's not play the "yanks know he was on roids" card b/c EVERYONE knew everybody was on roids for more than a decade.
Everyone knew they were all on 'roids, and everyone honored the contracts and paid the guys. The Yankees should too. Indeed, they were stupid enough to extend A-rod mid-way through the deal because it served their interests at the time, further evidence for why they should not get to weasel out of the contract.
So in spite of the repeated offenses of the substance abuse policy and repeated assurances that he had stopped (which he lied about) ARod should just get 100 Million dollars for not playing any games.
At what point should the risk-reward decision balance for these players who consider taking steroids actually tip toward risk?
I was dissappointed to hear that Selig apparently won't invoke the best-interest-of-baseball clause that prevents ARod from playing while appealing. I don't give a shit if the Yankees have to pay him or not, except that I think baseball has to start voiding contracts of violators. 50 games won't do it. 200 for ARod won't be enough either if he gets the 100Million.
I wasn't as clear as I could have been.
I wasn't implying A-Rod should get his $$$ - just that the NYY shouldn't be able to crawl out from under the contract they signed him to - they knew he was dirty in 2003, and again when he signed the latest crap-tastic contract. To get overarching "forgiveness" and get all that cap space cleared is what I am calling foul on.
They should be responsible (at least in the eyes of the cap) for most if not all for the bulk of the contract - not that they PAY it - but that it impacts their cap; Similar to "dead money" in the NFL where contracts still affect teams long after their bad decisions.
I appreciate your insight.
He's going to play. Especially in the playoffs, if the Tigers make it. He will get put in as a pinch hitter if nothing else. Roster flexes at that point so it will be an extra weapon.
The roster goes from 40 back to 25 at teh start of the playoffs. A few tough choices were made at that point last year. No way does a completely rusty Peralta take one of those spots (even before taking into account he's a cheater and deserves to be removed for at least the remainder of the year).
It's a tough call. He was probably our best hitter in the playoffs last year, at least in the World Series anyways. I think alot of it depends on how the bottom of the lineup is hitting at the end of the season.
We're not going to want Peralta back anyway. He's probably roidin' it up right now because he knew he was caught. When he gets off his suspension he's going to look like Quagmire after discovering the internet.
Even though I can see the scene in my mind, I have to post it. Just cuz.
Thanks for the picture posting. I had to go youtube the video after mentioning it, and I realized my prediction is completely wrong. Peralta is a righty.
Rookie double post.
Does anyone know the timeline of Peralta's PED use? I understand that he needs to be suspended to keep the game clean, but at the same time, it would suck for the Tigers to be punished by losing one of their better bats after not reaping the rewards of Jhonny's PED use.
of course the King Douchebag A Rod is the only one fighting the suspension.
Does anyone know if arbitrators have ever increased the length of penalties?
...but he's 38. Coming back from two years out of baseball at age 40 (well, he'll be three months shy of it)? And without the benefit of PEDs?
It's effectively a lifetime ban; he's got no reason not to fight it.. The games he plays while it's under appeal are probably all he has left.
A few people have already metioned that Peralta might be rusty even if he were to return at the end of the season. Because he doesn't have the opportunity to play on a daily basis, the burden will be entirely on him to stay in game shape . He also won't have an opportunity for a minor league stint at the end of his suspension as the minor league seasons will be mostly over. I agree with those who have said that this might be the end of his Tiger career, especially if Iglesias becomes a consistent player.
I believe Melky Cabrera was eligible to return for the playoffs last season with the Giants, and obviously they chose not to bring him back.
made me think of A-Rod chowing down at Hooters last week.
I don't think he'll be back in a Tiger's uniform even though he will be eligble at the end of the season.
The Tigers should be able to make the playoffs without him and Iglesias is obviously a better fielder.
But I could see an instance in which he returns if the Tigers are in a funk at the end of the season and need some offense. The Tigers have a narrow window in which to win the World Series and it may only be this season. If it means helping to win it all I would bring him back, if he's not too rusty. People would have issues probably with that but I would not.
The thought that "this year" is the only season they have a chance to win the World Series makes zero sense to me. They have their best players locked up in their prime producing years and they don't lose much from the current team after this year (Benoit is the only one that comes to mind) and they have a likely young contributor in Castellanos ready to help the team when needed. The window to win a title is 2-3 years then we get into Phillies territory of old players making big money and not contributing as much as needed.
I agree that they will be in good shape talent wise for the next 2-3 years and should have great opportunities in that time but my thinking is that they need to act like this is the only year because it's hard to predict future performance.
The Nationals after shutting Strasburg down last year thought there would be more opportunities but they are currently below .500 and may not even make the playoffs. Baseball is weird and for all I know the Tigers could tank next year even though the paper looks good.
And then there's Fielder, making big money to underperform in the regular season, and completely disappear in the playoffs.
question is can they keep the pitching staff somewhat intact. Cabrera will be negotiating a big extension after the season, it will put A LOT of pressure on the Tigers to reduce some payroll. Fister and Sanchez might have great trade value. Porcello maybe a little, and they are going to lose some bullpen guys no doubt and with their salary expenditures signing good relievers could be an issue.
I believe Austin Jackson and Max are arbitration eligible, they'll both be due big raises I would think.
The other thinking is that Cleveland and Kansas City are getting better, the window may be closing for dominating the Central Division. We'll see, I agree with the 'Tigers should be good for awhile' crowd though.
I wouldn't write off Peralt yet, his bat could be very useful at the very least as a pinch hitter in the playoffs.
Exactly, if Infante is healthy then there is no way Santiago gets a roster spot ahead of Peralta in the postseason.
Seriously, fuck cheaters.
Sucks for PEralta but how is that Iglesias kid? Tigers traded for him for him to fill the gap. Good luck to him
Can't wait for this talk to go away, baseball is one of my favorite sports and I hate seeing it captivated by negative headlines like this all day. Baseball is a lot more positive than this.
Braun cheats and lies: "Screw that guy! He should be banned for life!!!"
Jhonny cheats and lies: "Can't wait to have him back for the playoffs!!!"
I don't get why they are being treated differently. Screw them both. No room for cheaters in this game.
Braun got caught, maintained his innocence and went hard after the people who accused him/were involved in the positive tests. He got his original suspension revoked, signed a huge new deal with a small-market team, and then got caught again. So not only did he cheat, but he lied about and profited off of it, all while handicapping his team. Peralta, as far as we know, did none of that except the original transgression. I think the cases are quite different.
Peralta said in spring training "I have never used PEDs. Period. Anybody who says otherwise is lying."
He even said YESTERDAY that he was wrongly connected to this whole thing.
He cheated. He lied. He gets no sympathy from me.
against him been released? All we know is that his name was on documents in doctors office.
which is an understandable reaction, but I bet the Tigers organization will save room for him on the playoff roster. They really need his bat come postseason and their window is closing rapidly with a lot of key players' contract coming up especially with AJax and Max arbitration deadline looming.
Because it contains a quote from Peralta himself, I will post a quote from a certain paper here. For what it is worth and in the event anyone wants to know what he said, in Jhonny's message to fans, you can find:
“In spring of 2012, I made a terrible mistake that I deeply regret. I apologize to everyone that I have hurt as a result of my mistake, including my teammates, the Tigers’ organization, the great fans in Detroit, Major League Baseball, and my family. I take full responsibility for my actions, have no excuses for my lapse in judgment, and I accept my suspension. I love the fans, my teammates and this organization, and my greatest punishment is knowing that I have let so many good people down. I promise to do everything possible to try and earn back the respect that I have lost.”
What is the mistake?
I think most people just want to see the whole picture before passing judgment.