I just heard Kelvin was asked to move to DB. After his great camp and spring what is the opinion about the switch? He looks the most like a possible DB out of any of the slots, IME.
spoiler alert: i linked this
And where did you hear that? Sounds like crazy talking.
It's premium content on Rivals.
so he knows which side of the ball to line up on.
This is the worse post in this thread.
Do you honestly believe Michigan is going to have the worst defense in CFB history? If so, then you my fellow MGoBlog member, have indeed just made the worst post in the thread.
The worst post in the history of threads.
I will bet you my brain (which will obviously be a major upgrade to yours) that Michigan does not have the worst defense in CFB history.
What do you get if you win? spider's brain?
I heard they were moving Denard...Commence MGoBlogNation meltdown..3..2..1..go.
Looks like someone struck a nerve...
Hopefully, that has all changed the morning of Sept 5th. Food will taste better, air will smell cleaner, the sun will be brighter, our sense of humor will return, and UM will have one less win needed to become bowl eligible.
Where is your avatar from?
This would surprise me, as Rodriguez just said in a press conference that no one from the offense would be moving to the defense. I wouldn't have a problem with it, but I wouldn't expect it to happen.
Cough: Rivals: Cough...no but really, I heard the same thing. I don't want to piss off the Rivals mafia but I think that's the source. If this is true, I'd be happy -- just hope Kelvin embraces it.
No, please no.
Grady was singled out as having an excellent camp & scrimmage.
But with the relative depth at the SR position, it's a great move. With Roundtree moving back to the slot, Grady will never see the field, barring injury.
Git 'r dun, Kelvin!
100% agree -- I like it.
Roundtree and Odoms have impressed me enough in actual games to hold down the slot postition along with Stonum at WR. In the past, Grady has shown little at the SR and has dropped several easy catches. There is also some depth at SR behind 'Tree/Odoms. If Grady can play corner well enough to challenge for the spot opposite JT Floyd, move him.
Right - he has already shown a penchant for knocking down passes
Agree, although he could be a two-way player if he really did have that good of a spring and summer. He probably wouldn't have had many snaps at SR as it is so you cannot really expect him to be overworked playing both positions.
I agree with you and lets not forget that last year Grady showed well in camp but had problems catching and holding on to the ball in games if he is playing DB those are no longer issues and we know he can run. What do you have to lose by making this move
Howeva, I would assume that if he switched to DB it would be to add a little depth as well. If we had a walk-on (although I realize that he was an accomplished high school player) backup slot receiver who moves to defense 2 weeks before the start of the season playing any significant minutes we are more screwed than I thought.
Grady can actually contribute at CB. That seems somewhat doubtful considering he hasn't played the position in college and there are less than two weeks left in camp. I thought he was going to contribute to the offense a bit more this year, but perhaps the suggested move speaks to that.
I can only assume that Molk is moving to DB
Rimington and Thorpe in the same year...
Maybe after Gibson stayed up all night watching scrimmage film his reaction was to curl up on RichRod's door step in the fetal position and cry himself to sleep. He might have resorted to beg for some help from the offense.
Paywalled at Rivals "ITF" section, it does note that, "word is (grady) was asked to move..."
their source? not disclosed. so who knows.
rivals said that? that makes me believe it less. we'll see though
Yeah, Scout is sooooo much more reliable...
If I didn't hear it from CFN, bleacherreport, Deadspin, Weekly World News (hereunto know as "the paper") Chicago Sun-Times, Chicago Tribune, Lane Kiffin's publicist, Fox News then I really don't give it much credibility.
they're more reliable than rivals
They're "more reliable" or they're "quicker to report [possibly erroneous] stories"?
I remember a few "commitments" reported on Scout that never actually happened...
I've heard Javarie Johnson has had a great camp perhaps he'll be in the two deep.
Depends on who is reporting it.
Take anything Tom Beaver "breaks" with the largest grain of salt you can find. I'd trust any of the rivals guy's over him.
When Sam speaks, it's usually because he's heard a thing or two from a reliable person or two.
I'm trying to verify this with Melanie Collins via twitter right now. I'll keep you posted.
Have her send some more pictures. kthx.
Maybe RR should ask Beilein before moving him to defense.
seems kind of odd given that RR said no offensive players would be asked to switch and given the rave reviews of grady's performance.
seems kind of odd given that RR said no offensive players would be asked to switch
Perhaps Grady never offended RR after all.
RR said no offensive players would be asked to switch
Is he an offensive "player" if he's not going to play? Okay that's a slight exaggeration, but he wasn't going to start. There's no reason he can't play both ways if need be. Extraordinary circumstances call for desperate measures. I don't think KG will start at CB right away, but traditionally receivers have been a natural switch to CB, because of their speed, hips, knowledge of receiver's schemes, and ball skills (usually). This could work well. You just have to give it time.
If this is true, Grady will have played PG, WR, RB, and CB. What's next? Can he skate?
He just can't stop.
This might be crazy, but if its true that Grady was asked to move, maybe its because Grady has had such a good camp so far? We have seen the benefit of knowing both sides of the ball when changing positions - Cam Gordon as case in point (if he learns to tackle). Perhaps the db coach, getting desperate, sees how athletic Grady is, how he has come to understand the offense side, thinks he is best suited for the position of need, and best able to make that transition?
Its crazy, counterintuitive, but perhaps?
I would agree with this sentiment, but for a different reason (i.e. not necessarily about knowing both sides of the ball). Since he's at a position of great depth and has had a great camp, it's possible that the coaches are trying to reward him with the possibility of more playing time since it was pretty likely that he wouldn't see all that much at slot.
Grady might understand that he has a better shot of making it in the NFL as a DB than as a WR. Undoubtedly, he sees a shot at more playing time, and a chance to help out the team by moving to DB.
Did he play CB in high school?
No offense to Grady, he is one hell of an athlete, but the NFL is a long shot IMO. Not impossible but probably not likely. Then again, NFL teams have drafted even more unlikely players before.
It is a bit of a long shot, but I think moving to CB at least gives him a shot.
Yeah I agree, you never know these days.
Stevie MFing Brown is impressing in the NFL right now. Anything is possible.
a fast 40 time in the combine. The Raiders will draft him.....
Grady obviously stood out in the scrimmage, but slot is one of the few areas of discernible depth on our squad. If he (or anyone) can make a bigger difference at DB, then I'm all for it. I don't know if I can take another year of teams repeatedly converting on third and seventeen against us.
I know the blog's posted apocalyptic theory on position switch starters, but I think Grady could at least hang, athletically speaking. I know he wasn't the best on D in hoops but that was more of a commitment thing from what I could tell. Sticking to a guard around screens and cuts while keeping an eye on the ball is a lot like covering a receiver until the tackling starts. If it's a rumor, then "yay freshmen are good enough to handle it!" Must...stay...positive.
If you say no one from the offense is moving, and then you do this, it means you don't like what you're seeing in practice.....
this can be denied. Unless we hear differently it's not a great sign.
I haven't read the rivals blurb and I know that RR said no offensive players would move... so maybe this was Kelvin's idea? Maybe he saw an opportunity and asked to be moved to DB?
Grady could make the move much more easily than anyone else on offense except Denard or Jeremy Gallon. Denard obviously isn't moving and Gallon is rumored to not be in as good a shape as he could be. Grady knows he is running out of time to make a difference at Michigan and leverage himself so that he doesn't have to take a "real job" out of college.
His defense in basketball notwithstanding, the habit of "point guard vision" has to help on defense. On offense, the only position it would really help with would be QB, where he obviously wouldn't play.
I have been hoping that if they couldn't get enough help from the 17 safeties listed on the roster, someone would move to CB for depth. Besides, Grady could find himself playing a lot after a few games. You just never know.
This certainly has been an interesting off-season. Good or bad, there hasn't been much time to be bored.
There's really no point keeping him on offense with Odoms, Roundtree, Gallon, and Terrence Robinson at slot receiver.
Besides, he could very well suck at CB and get moved back to offense.
Regardless, it seems like a majority of players who get moved - especially late in their careers - end up as non-factors. If Grady moves, it's probably just for depth, not to be a starter. I'd rather toss Grady out there at CB than one or two of those freshmen we have...
Odoms and Roundtree were expected to work at outside receiver a lot as well. I think that was more a product of disappointment in Stonum and Hemmingway than anything. Perhaps this is a sign that Stonum and Hemmingway are really impressing, making Odoms and Roundtree more available at slot?
I think putting them at wideout was more a function of getting the best players on the field and keeping them fresh. For example...
Series 1: Stonum (WR), Hemingway (WR), Odoms (SR), Roundtree (SR)
Series 2: Stonum (WR), Roundtree (WR), Odoms (SR), Koger (TE)
Series 3: Hemingway (WR), Stokes (WR), Roundtree (SR), Koger (TE)
Series 4: Stonum (WR), Odoms (WR), Gallon (SR), two backs in the backfield
It allows them more flexibility and prevents the coaches from having to put in a second set of wideouts that doesn't include a freshman. Instead of putting Jerald Robinson on the field too much, they can plug in Roundtree at WR and insert one of those older slot ninjas.
RR specifically said he was thrilled with Stonum in camp.
Regardless, it seems like a majority of players who get moved - especially late in their careers - end up as non-factors.
That's what makes Grady's case interesting - it's still somewhat early in his college football career (year 2), yet late in his time for development. It's not like he has had another position ingrained in him for several years at the college level, so the amount of 'unlearning' might be small. But his time of development is also small. Which leaves him, well, probably just where you said - depth.
Has Grady played special teams? If so, maybe he's had some tackling practice in the past.
You have to figure that Grady (supposedly) moving to DB is an attempt to get bodies in those positions. I know he would have a tough time seeing a lot of time at the slot but I can't see him on the field much on defense either.
What are the chances he sees the field, if he actually does move, this year. Despite our depth issues it seems a pretty tough task to learn a new position less than two weeks before the season starts.
1) is that RR realizes that Roundtree/ Odoms (and TRob/ Gallon) provide great slot depth and he is just trying to get more bodies at DB (in case, God forbid, there are other injuires)
2) That the 2nd corner or Gordon is not playing very well and he wants to give Grady a shot.
I hope it's just an issue of having more depth at DB than #2
KingRichardX's post. Guy was on target.
Coached against him for 4 years in HS. He was strictly a tailback/slot guy except when he played us (Lowell.) Not sure how often he worked at DB throughout the year...but he was terrible against us....and we didn't have what you would consider elite speed. Not sure I would be for this one.
he is much more likely to bust out an "and one" finger role after a wicked cross-over passed Jon Scheyer to put Duke away at cornerback. I like this move.
He has the ability to play CB. If he can play RB, WR and basketball, I am sure he can adjust to CB and help out the team. He would project better for the NFL at DB than any of the other positions, that is if he adapts to it, and plays well.
Is it too late to expect Grady to get enough practice at the position to be ready for the season? If this move is true I just wonder why this didn't happen right after Woolfolk's injury so he could get as much time at the position as possible.
Well, after the big scrimmage on Saturday, maybe they figured out that the current cornerbacks just couldn't cut it...
i think you're right.
I'm gonna go way out on a limb here and guess that maybe the coaches needed some practice and scrimmage time to understand how things would play out?
no way. he didn't like playing D for beilein. why would he for RR? seriously, though, he definitely is quick enough.
but if Mark is really pushing for the Mike and Kelvin can actually contribute at DB, we either have two wildly gifted players (which is possible) or we have some crazy bad issues on D. This is just from the standpoint of switching to the other side of the ball and understanding your reads so you can react to make a play. Making your reads correctly and quickly in addition to then reacting to stop the play can take years of work to perfect since so much is involved. It is not stand there and try to tackle (I know that could be argued this was our strategy the last few years, but you know what I mean).
I'm going to lean more toward the latter (crazy bad issues on D). A guy at FB switching to MLB and possibly displacing a 3 year starter? A PG in basketball that came to be a SR and now being moved to CB? Yeah, I'd say we have problems. The defense is going to be a mess this year; better hope that the D-Line can get good pressure to hurry the QBs.
however, if there is a year to have questionable DBs, i think this is the year. i mean, who will be the potent passing teams?
Uconn/Wisky - typically smashmouth
ND - new QB and scheme
Penn St/Purdue/Illinois - new QB
That basically leaves OSU, Iowa and MSU as forminable passing opponents, and the jury is still out on Prior, imo.
We do need to score a lot with lots of slots.
"or we have some crazy bad issues on d?"
Did you watch last season? Did you hear about Woolfolk? Turner? 'Crazy bad issues' is about right.
We knew we had crazy bad issues on D. I don't think anyone would say that Obi played great at MLB last year, or in '08 really. And no matter who plays opposite JT Floyd, that person will have almost no game experience, other than mop up duty from some of the blowouts.
if it works out, that just makes RR look better, not to mention it'll help the team out. If it fails, he can just move back to sr.
All hope is lost! He has no legs!
Just a long torso and stubby legs.
Is not a position that comes easily. He was a stud running back in high school, but never heard anything about his defensive ability (I'm from the area).
He is an amazing athlete though and has relatively good size to play the position. And with our depth at slot, it just makes sense to try to get him on to the field.
Looking forward to seeing how he works out, he has the athleticism to do it and I'm optimistic that he'll do well once he settles in.
It's possible that the skill set could translate, or that he has enough natural ability to make the transition. Not to bring up a taboo name around here, but some of you may recall that Kelly Baraka, while recruited as a running back, was also a very good defensive back.
Ya, my guess is that after the scrimmage they realized one or two things.
First, that KG would not see a ton of time at WR this season.
Two, that although we may have one or two or three serviceable CBs, we need five or six to make it through the season.
Three, KG probably knows the offense well enough by now that if we needed a SR for some reason he could move back mid-season.
Anyways, this may or may not be true. But I don't think its a horrible decision either way.
* Didn't Grady really well on offense in the recent scrimmage?
* Is there any chance that TRob could play CB?
Terrence Robinson is only 5'8". Putting another tiny kid at CB with no experience seems like a bad idea. Grady doesn't have much experience, but at least he's 5'11".
...I feel bad for Kelvin. In his career as a Michigan athlete, he's always sacrificed personal goals for team goals. Rode the pine in basketball while many fans were clamoring for his PT. Grady never said a word publicly and remained a good teammate in the locker room. Went from starting slot last year to very limited role. Grady kept it quiet.
Now, he's being asked to switch to DB after showing everyone he can be a real contributor on offense. There's probably other slots or even split ends who played DB (with success) in HS, but the coaches probably know there's one guy who would do it b/c it's what the team needs, and he would do it willingly and not become a distraction in the locker room: Grady.
Hats off and standing ovation for Kelvin Grady.
I agree, but this is the expectation for a team player anyway.
Nah, I think Kelvin just switches before his playing time goes to absolutely zero at any one postion or sport, when everyone else is hotter or more energetic at the position than he is.
/s and /corny
I find this hard to believe. Now if someone told me they were going to the 3-2-6 I might bite.
I guess I'll believe it when I see it. He had such a good scrimmage game at SR and just yesterday RR said he was not having offensive players switching to defense to fill spots.
Everyone is entitled to a change of opinion. Maybe they've sat down and watched film from the weekend and decided something had to change. Then again, it's about time that UConn begins some serious film watching and making a game plan. I wouldn't hurt to keep them guessing at what's happening all over the field.
part-time and is needed in a back-up capacity on defense, can he be a part-time 2-way player? Or is that day gone because of the practice commitments?
to the day M's defense will have 11 players playing the positions they were recruited to play.
Is this too much to dream?
I'm for it as well. If he was moving to/from any other position on the field, I would say no way but I'm ok with SR -> CB for a few reasons.
1. Depth at slot
2. CB is the easiest position on the field for making reads. You're either man up, deep third, deep half, or covering the flats... one of which is called for in the huddle, or a simple audible based on the formation of the offense. This is part of the reason why we were so excited about Christian and Dorsey being able to contribute early based purely on their footwork/athleticism.
3. Even if he only plays in obvious passing downs for the first few games, I still think having him on the bench at SR makes no sense considering our DB situation.
4. It will give us more to talk about over the next 11 days.
We need someone, anyone, who is fast enough to cover a wr in man coverage. Right now, our dbs can't. Grady could bring that quickness and athleticism. My big question is can he tackle. Dude is pretty skinny and hasn't played defense in, at the very least, a long time.
when his eligibility is up for being one of the most accommodating athletes in school history. Personally I'd like to leave him where he is and give him a shot to make something out of one role in one sport under one coach.
I want to wait until one of the coaches confirm the move. I find it confusing they would move him because he's had a really good camp.
We have got to have more bodies at CB and we are loaded at slot. A coach has got to make the tough calls. Im sure if he doesnt look good in practice he can always be moved back. Now is the time, he is a great athlete and he is tough and obviously a MIchigan Man. He's the type of kid who could pull it off. Plus, he could still play slot here and there especially if he's down the depth chart at CB
I think this is good news. I've thought for a long time that Grady has the body and athleticism to be a good corner.
What is his new number going to be Zac Johnson is playing D and already has number 19
I'm not sure anyone is concerned that they might have to change someone's number.