Kelly to Stay at ND
in 19 months all nd posts will be OT .... can't wait!
Whether or not there are those two letters at the beginning of a post, when ND's program goes through a transition, it will always have repercussions for us. They will always be a major recruiting rival.
I expected this to happen. Still, his flirtation with the pros gives his opponents some recruiting ammunition: if he's this close to jumping ship right after an appearance in the national title game, what's going to stop him after a year that might not go so perfectly, where the fanbase isn't as strongly behind him?
Odds are they aren't going to get a better coach then Kelly since he is really pretty good.
he's won everywhere he's been and he took Notre Dame to the title game (caveats, etc) when no one else has for 20+ years. If anything, our coach is the more likely target for 'not a good coach' jokes given his record prior to coming here
Neither one should be mocked in that regard. Hoke has three Coach of the Year awards from three different conferences.
1) Say you have interest in another job
2) Use this as leverage, stay at current job
Financially, yes, but it can damage the coach's relationship with his AD and fanbase. If Kelly still wins big, this will be forgotten, but if he starts to falter, fans will not forget this. When a coach is struggling, fans seize on anything to make their case against him.
Minnesota fans worshipped Glen Mason until he openly flirted with the Ohio job. He got a new contract at Minnesota, but he became tainted goods in Gopher fans' eyes after that. They never really forgave him and ultimately ran him out of town despite being easily Minnesota's best coach in the last 30 years.
So, Chip Kelly stays are Oregon and Brian Kelly stays at ND. I have a feeling that both were told they weren't going to be allowed to "experiment with the college offense in the NFL." When it comes to change, especially on the offensive side of the ball, they are definitely the "Non-Fluid League."
More likely, they were told they wouldn't be given control of player personnel decisions.
The unknown truth is that Mason was let go because Jerry Kill looks more like a real gopher.
Would love to upvote this.
I think you can skip Step 3. The first two should be sufficient.
I don't think you're using that right. There's a natural progression from 2 to 4
By all accounts Kelly was already in line for a nice little raise for him and his assistants. This was a real flirtation with the NFL and not a ploy to get more money from what I gather.
Source says Brian Kelly and Notre Dame working toward extension and raise though "still some work to do."
— Joe Schad (@schadjoe) January 12, 2013
But didn't the ND athletic director state before the bowl game, in effect, that he'd give Kelly whatever he wanted? There doesn't seem to have been any need for Kelly to find leverage. I think he genuinely did consider the NFL offer.
In other news Hoke to stay at Michigan!!
You cannot unring the bell. Every team competing against ND can point to Kelly's wondering eye. If the Cowboys or Jets come calling in a years time this will all start again. Kelly's statement that he is staying because of his love for ND is a lie. He's staying for the money and when a better offer comes up he'll be gone.
Then again, they used to say the same thing about Perles.
The primary difference being that Michigan doesn't need any extra help in convincing most kids to pick us over MSU.
For him, it's just a job. And for a school like Notre Dame, that's hard to swallow. When Hoke said, "We would have walked here," it was authentic and that's exactly what we wanted and needed to hear. Now, the Domers deep down can't trust Kelly because they know this is just a job.
And we should appreciate Brady Hoke's exceptionalism. How many of us would leverage opportunity like this in our own careers? Bo did (Texas A&M). I love my work and organization, but I think I would. This may seem really cheesey, but Hoke's combination of competence and loyalty is inspiring to me.
I don't think it's fair to say that Bo used the TAMU offer as leverage. They offered him a gigantic pay raise and I think he genuinely considered it for awhile. There is no reason to believe he was cynically doing it to shake Canham down. In any case, it was the only time in his 21 years that he was linked to another job.
Bo was woefully underpaid, even for the time.
Did M give him a raise? I think he just decided to stay.
Bo got a raise from UM. I want to say 20% or so, all the way up to around $200,000 a year, I think. So yeah, he was underpaid.
Tom Monaghan was so happy that Bo turned down A and M that he gave Bo the profits from a corporate-owned Dominos in Columbus (!). That was entirely apart from the school; absolutely no collusion. Ill-fated as well given what Tom did to him later with the Tigers.
Do tese NFL jobs hold the luster they used to? Sure, if you can take over the Pats or someone ready to win people will jump, but is anyone wow'd by the Browns, or Eagles, or Bills? Heck, even the Bears list of candidates is...underwhelming. And they're actually a good team.
Funny that none of them seem to even be mentioning Gruden, even though people are exhibiting the "Gruden effect", where every top name coach will be interested in "this" job.
I'd agree that no NFL job is really great with the way the league is set up (small rosters, hard salary cap, etc.). I'd also argue that who the coach is doesn't make a whole lot of difference to team success. If you swapped the coaches on the best teams with the coaches on the worst I doubt the standings would turn out much differently.
At the same time though, people seem to realize this or at a minimum failing in a pro job does nothing to hurt your chances of getting another big time college job at the end of the day. Petrino, Spurrier, and Saban all had lousy stints in the NFL, and they all got great jobs and had tremendous success in college afterwards. Calipari did the same thing in basketball. Pitino did it twice and was rewarded with the Kentucky and Louisville jobs.
If I was Kelly and had not particular emotional attachment to ND, leaving makes a lot of sense right now. If he goes 2-14 with the Eagles for a couple years, he's still a hot commodity in the college ranks and probably gets a very high end job for a lot of dough. If he goes 8-5 the next two years at ND, how hot of a seat is he on? And how quickly do these NFL offers disappear?
But because of the reasons you point out you don't have the say in whether you succeed or not. And these guys aren't just doing it for a payday; they want to win, big, at that level. Competitiveness, ego....it's not ALL money. Otherwise Saban would be bored today counting his money rather than working 18 hours to win title 5. It's. a risk either way. You gamble and never get another shot; or you gamble and maybe get to walk into the 49ers. Surprised none of these guys are on Chicago's radar, who have defense but need a keen offensive mind. They are enticing. But they seem infatuated with ever coordinator in the country.
Maybe he's hurting his next college job prospects. Ex-NFL guys get South Carolina and Arkansas. Ex-Notre Dame guys get Washington and Kansas.
And damn, my typing sucks tonight. Wish I was drinking to excuse it.
My whole problem with this was it was announced that a raise and extension was in the works before the NCG. Lots of people suggested this was the usual leverage ploy for profit. I totally feel like this was more than that. Because of that I have to look at him in a more critical light.
The rumour for the long hold out, however, was more money for assistants (Have to pay your assistants, you guys know that), possible admissions loosening and provisions for possible oversignings.
Of course none of this will come to light as ND is a private institution. Expect the usual drivel of Pay Raise, Assist Pay Raises and "facility improvements".
Bruce Feldman's write-up - (LINK)
Not too much information aside from a quote from Kelly himself:
"Like every kid who has ever put on a pair of football cleats, I have had thoughts about being a part of the NFL. However after much reflection and conversation with those closest to me, I have decided to remain at Notre Dame. This decision was motivated purely by my love for Notre Dame and the entire Fighting Irish community."
It's interesting considering that there were reports a few days ago that there was supposed to be a second interview. He did reach out to a lot of people who have worked in the pros, so even though he isn't leaving now, he seems to be giving signals that it hasn't left his mind completely as an option later. The one thing I wondered about, and I couldn't find the article I remember (but here is a mention of it in a very pointed Chicago Tribune blog entry), is this - did Jack Swarbrick not guarantee Kelly another contract extension and a raise before for the peak of the NFL talk? I think he probably did genuinely consider this move.
I guess I'm not as impressed as most by "luckiest team to ever make it to the big game (and get their ass kicked) rather than being 8-5-ish".
It's simple: instability in our rival programs benefits us.
You do realize that was almost you last year?
Keep trying to sell that.
I don't recall beating several .500-ish teams by FGs (at home IIRC), our biggest rival losing their star QB before the game and just all around squeaking by throughout the season... Benefitting from questionable calls in OT?
I recall some luck in the ND game and getting screwed against Iowa. OSU was the only other game that was even close.
I don't think anyone really doubts that our 2011 team massively overachieved. Given the paper-thin depth of the roster, it had to. 2012 ND, which had a roster stocked with years of outstanding recruiting classes, is not a great comparison. A team with that much talent shouldn't have found itself in so many dogfights against weaker opponents.
This won't last. The ND fans are already furious over the fact Kelly would ever consider a lateral move to the NFL (at least that his how the dopes at NDNation see it). When Kelly failed to act as if Notre Dame was a destination job, it pissed off a major segement of the fan base. So when he goes 8-5 again or whatever, South Bend Torch and Pitchfork will have its shelves swept clean and the fanbase will come for him.
Also I think he's only back because the Eagles didn't give him what he wanted or else refused to hire him. I think Kelly seriousily was ready to leave, but couldn't get the job offer.
AFter years of sucking the ND fans I know don't care about anything but winning. If he wins Kelly will be fine. He was culpable in the death of a student manager and they did nothing. It's about winning at ND. Nothing else matters.
It's a huge black eye for notre dame. There's no doubt he had genuine interest in the nfl. I live a half hour from south bend and the Irish faithful have been shitting their pants all week.
Literally or figuratively?
They'll forgive him in that scenario. If he doesn't, and loses to USC more often than not, then it won't matter whether he had a brief flirtation with the pros.
I'm sure the recruits/players will love the fact that they were kept in the dark about this whole thing.
What a foolish move. I couldn't be happier.
this just makes it more fun when we cleveland steamroller them next year in the big house. Dont have to hear their fans use this as an excuse for why they lose 3 or 4 games like they should have this year, now way that team gets all the breaks again
And it wouldn't change my perception of the overall strength of ND's program either way. He is a good coach, but he doesn't instill the same amount of fear in me as a Michigan fan as Urban Meyer does. Meyer's the guy I wish would start flirting with the NFL. Aside from Nick Saban, he was the only coach I thought could legitimately put Michigan at any type of long-term disadvantage vs Ohio in the post RichRod era. He's not unbeatable, obviously, but as long as he's running things in Columbus I will always have angst about beating those guys. I have no such fear when it comes to Brian Kelly and Notre Dame.
Probably has something to do with us ripping his heart out on national TV for a couple years there...
can't do any better against us than Tressel did.
And still get the "c'mon man, Urban fuckin Meyer blablabla..." Couldn't be much better of a Big 10 coach than the Vest despite my feelings towards him and Ohio
But for much of Tressel's tenure, I never feared the Vest so much as I doubted our own coaching staff and cursed some bad luck (ton of injuries that hurt us in 05 and 07, Braylan's offensive PI in 02, Bo's death in 06, etc). Had we brought in the Hoke coaching staff in 08 instead of RichRod, I believe we would have brought balance to The Game even with Tressel still there. Tressel got his guys prepped for The Game, no doubt, but he was merely an excellent recruiter (on par with Hoke and the first half of the Carr era) whereas Meyer has the SEC-style recruiting chops to match his game day coaching ability. The reason I don't fear Brian Kelly is because I think he's on par with Hoke. There's nothing incremental Kelly and his staff bring to the table that we're not seeing from the Hoke/Borges/Mattison trifecta.
Meyer is a different beast. Flat out, the guy brings all the substance to coaching and recruiting that Hoke, Kelly and Tressel had but on top of that he presents a style and polish that the other guys don't. He's always finding a way to get himself on ESPN - free marketing time right there. He has connections recruiting-wise in certain states where most of the Big 10 can't generate significant interest from 4-5 star talent. And the worst part about it is that he's still relatively young - if he wants to, he can easily stay in Columbus for another 10-12 years. There is one guy in the Michigan coaching tree with all the same mix of attributes as Meyer - Harbaugh. Harbaugh would be able to offset all of these incremental advantages that Meyer has introduced to the equation, because he's got that same style/polish/flair that plays well with national big time recruits.
I don't mean to come across as disparaging Hoke or Kelly, by the way. I think both are excellent coaches and Hoke will have a much better record vs Meyer than what Carr and RichRod did vs Tressel. Personally, I love Hoke and everything he's been able to do so far. But Meyer in my opinion is one of the 2 or 3 best coaches in all of college football. Looking down the barrel of a guy like that running your biggest rival's program for the next decade is scary.
I miss my college years for many reasons, but the biggest one is John Cooper. Come back Coop!
Everything that has to do with ND
Glad he is at the domers.
Thanks for letting us know. Obviously we all opened this thread titled Kelly to Stay at ND, expecting to see a Hello: post, but alas, it turned to actually be about Kelly staying at ND. Darn those OPs and their informative titles that we click anyway!!!!
I didn't expect it to be a hello post, but I did wonder how Kelly Tripucka had any eligibility left after all these years.
I wanted him to leave just to see more dominoes fall.
...will not endear him to the college football's most self-adoring alumni who think you should die in this job if you have the chance. That, and recruits have to know that elf has his eyes on the bigger prize...
Check. Flirt with the NFL to facilitate a big, fat raise. Check.
Brian Kelly knew exactly what he was doing. He did the "Les Miles" and will now get a big fat raise.
He was going to get that regardless. He had actual interest.
to see a picture of Brian Kelly's face all red and yell-y, with some clever quote about how he is staying from the funny MGOBLOGgers underneath it.
Sad face. :(