He's an a-hole and was named ND's head football coach. Shocking.
Kelly leaving cincy vs. Rich Rod leaving wvu - player reactions:
lol I guess this is what happens when your named the head football coach at ND.
All aboard the Hate Train, hilarious
No... I think the hate train is more related to him being a jerk. Same with Weis.
Well, I think I would be pissed too if I was a bearcat player. I mean, they're 12-0 looking to go 13-0, you can't do much better than that. There's no way you can argue that he didn't go for the money, because he obviously did. And I honestly don't know if he is going to make ND better or not. I mean they said the same thing for Charlie Weis "He's going to bring Notre Dame back". I'm not so sure. If I were him, I would have stayed at the school were I just went 12-0.
No question. I fee really bad for those kids. He was about as disingenuous about this as you can be.
It's turning into somewhat of a tradition at UC.
Man I feel horrible for the UC players. Mardy Gilyard especially, who was on the record saying he felt betrayed by Dantonio leaving.
And... now you really wonder what might have been if Texas hadn't made that last-second field goal.
Everyone is piling on Kelly but let's not forget there were 2 parties involved. I am not defending him by any means because he handled it in a bad way but I don't agree with the way colleges handle hirings these days. I understand that it is important to get a replacement in as soon as possible for recruiting and continuity but let the prospects finish their season before forcing them to give you an answer. It is disrespectful to the university and the players of the coach they are trying to hire. Three more weeks would not have made that much of a difference. These kids are going into one of if not the biggest game of their life feeling betrayed and let down because the man they looked up to all season lied to them and now will not be there.
Kelly, as far as I know, never said "I am not a candidate for ND" and then went there. He even admitted several days ago that "if ND wants to talk to me, I'll listen." That's a siren flashing to everyone and not disingenuous to me at all. You can't expect a coach to say "yes, if ND wants me I will go there."
I am not saying that he did not do anything wrong. I am just saying that ND is as much to blame as he is with regards to the timing of the situation.
I think it's hard to say that he's just going for the money. He just went 12-0 and didn't get to the BCS championship. If he goes 12-0 at ND, he's getting in much easier than at Cinci. None of us were saying that RR should stay at WVU where he just went 10-2 and was on his way to a BCS bowl. Let's not continue to kid ourselves--ND is a bigtime, elite job, and I can't blame him for taking it.
Cinci didn't get invited to the MNC game because 4 other teams went undefeated this year. I'm pretty sure ND wouldn't have jumped Texas (13-0), and certainly not the SEC champ (13-0), with the schedule ND played. It's a big job that pays a lot of money and comes with some recruiting advantages (assistants and players). I don't blame him for taking the job for those reasons. I do think your argument is bogus given the current state of the 2 programs.
If it were about playing for a NC then he should've stayed at Cinci. Win the BCS game this year and Cinci would likely have the 2nd best chance at the big one next year. ND, even with the name, is 2 miracle seasons from that.
I disagree here. ND would have been ranked ahead of Texas far before the end of the season and Texas wouldn't have overtaken ND at the end. Voters for both human polls would have rode the wave of Undefeated ND WOO!!! hype early on and the road would have been paved for their "Return to Glory." Now I have to stop this thought process since undefeated = Fat Charlie makes me laugh too hard.
but what i'm saying is this...when rich rod left in a very similar situation...the players themselves still had nothing but good things to say about him.
speaks to their character, imo.
I was just speaking to the criticism about him taking the job, which I think he would be crazy not to take.
i don't necessarily think that it speaks to their character. i would feel betrayed if i worked my ass off for some coach and he just bolted on me. these are competitive college athletes, how do you expect them to respond? sure you'd like for some of them to be happy for him to get the opportunity to coach at ND, but at the same time you've got to be realistic and think that some, if not most, players would be upset.
i disagree. after my junior year of high school, our head coach left to take a college job. he handled it the right way.
there were rumors going around, and he addressed them in practice. basically said, "this college has offered me a job and i am still not sure if i am going to take it. regardless, i am going to be 100% committed to this team for the rest of this season."
we made a hell of a playoff run. then the morning after our last game we had a meeting and he told the entire team that he was going to take the job because it was too good of an opportunity to pass up.
we all loved him before. we all loved him throughout the process. we all still love him. he handled a tough situation like a class-act. we understood his decision. we respected his decision.
Lol was your team hounded by the media for 2 weeks in anticipation of the coaching change? How about the lead story on sportscenter? Your comparison is no where near the same level
He could have ruled the Big East for who knows how long (which also means an automatic BCS bowl birth with every Big East title).
He's undefeated in just his 3rd year and made Cincinnati relevant.
He was in a state full of quality recruits.
He generated enthusiasm and support for the school and community.
It's easy for me to sit here behind my keyboard and Seagrams7/Coke Zero and say he's making a hasty decision, but what do I know?
Do you think that any coach is happy that going 12-0 in a BCS conference means you will get to the sugar bowl? If you're an elite coach, you want your shot at the adults table. I think his move was based much more on a chance at more prestige and a better chance for winning big than it was about money.
He was in a state full of quality recruits, but no matter what he was always going to lose the best ones to OSU. Now, he'll have a shot at anyone--few schools have the national recruiting power that ND does (thankfully, UM is one of those schools)
exactly. at Cincy, he's just a stone's throw away from OSU. no matter what he accomplished in Cincy, he would always be overshadowed by big brother. as bad as that may sound, its true. OSU is and always will be number one in Ohio, even in years when Cincy goes undefeated like this year.
Agreed, not to mention that instead of being in Ohio, he's right next door. Still great access to the Ohio recruits.
He could've owned SW Ohio, which is a recruiting hotbed in its own right with a lot of powerhouse programs (Moeller, St. X, etc.). OSU may always be #1 in Eastern and Central Ohio, but I think it's safe to say Cincinnati could have been something special had he stayed.
And aren't OSU/Cinci meeting on the field next season or the season after? A couple head to head wins could have (and may still if they find a good replacement coach) elevated Cinci in recruits eyes...
While all of the things you mentioned are true, so is the fact that ND has been a graveyard for the last 3 head coaches. I have my doubts whether he's a good fit culturally for ND.
Two of those guys aren't coaching currently, and one of them is a giant twinkie devouring manster.
Do you think that any coach is happy that going 12-0 in a BCS conference means you will get to the sugar bowl?
Auburn went unbeaten (in the SEC!) a few years back and got snubbed. Cincinnati's problem wasn't so much that voters didn't respect them as that there were two teams ahead of them in the polls all year that never lost.
I think the fact that he just went 12-0 actually informs why this was a GOOD decision for him. You're right, it doesn't get any better than that. He went 12-0 very impressively, won the Big East even with Pitt having a good year and some not-too-bad other programs, and STILL was left out of the MNC. So it's kind of that end-game that some coaches talk about, when they've taken it as far as they can with a school, be it a title (like Nick Saban at LSU) or an undefeated season (Urban Meyer), except Kelly took it as far as he could and realized that there really isn't anything more he can do with Cincy right now.
I don't fault him for leaving. As the player said, it's a business. If any of those players had been offered to go to USC or ND, most (at least some) would have taken the same chance to go there over UC in order to win more, win more often, and win bigger when they do.
Congrats to Brian Kelly. Thanks for the great Laker years.
Who is coaching Cincy in the bowl game?
EDIT: Nevermind, it's their OC
This is literally the same way that he left CMU. There was some stuff in the news paper about how he loved it in Mount Pleasant, and that he wasn't going anywhere because his family loved the area. The players were convinced that Kelly wasn't going and they took it pretty hard when he finally did leave. If you ask players that were on the CMU team he coached, they don't have the most complimentary things to say about him.
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Anyone in their right mind to get an opportunity to make more money is gonna jolt to that. Now I don't agree with him saying to the players he isn't going anywhere. False promises suck, he should have just kept it to himself. Must be the thing to do in coaching these days.
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Spin away, media folk. Spin away.
To think that this says anything about Kelly's character might be a bit shortsighted. There are players all around that would readily throw their former coach under the bus if such a thing were to happen to them. They feel betrayed and rightfully so.
I'm sure there was some good to be said about Kelly in the whole mess of things, but that's just not interesting enough. I don't want to seem like I'm on the BK bandwagon and want him to bring ND back to the promised land--I want him to fall flat on his face just like the last three Irish coaches have--but we should know better than anyone how easy it is to spin players' quotes.
"how easy it is to spin players' quotes."
Arguably their best player gets up and leaves while Kelly's still talking and says he's "disgusted" and you call that "spin"?
Everyone in this thread, including me, has an opinion on the situation and the truth is, our opinion of Kelly is always going to be less informed than that of the actual players that played for him and spent time with him.
Rodriguez left under less than ideal circumstances and I don't recall a single player reaction similar to what the Cincy players are showing.
IMHO, the WVU players respected Rodriguez, his decision, and how he handled the situation more than the Bearcats did Kelly.
Kelly's getting ripped pretty bad from most of his Cincinnati squad, so you're probably right about him garnering much less respect at UC than Rodriguez did at WVU.
However, let's not overlook how sexy an article without the "he went for the money"s and "hopefully he packs his things up and gets to South Bend in a hurry"s looks next to one that does. That's where my take on "spin" comes from. Were there no players at all who understood why he left and respected his decision?
Like you say, our opinion of Kelly is less informed than that of the actual players, and quite honestly, I have a little bit of trouble jumping to conclusions about his character based on quotes taken from super-emotional kids after yet another coach walked away from their program.
Brian Kelly is first and foremost, and maybe just completely all about Brian Kelly. I feel badly for the players because even though they probably knew in the back of their minds that he was leaving, they were part of this amazing team that had a hell of a run this year.
If I were one of his players, I'd want to believe he'd stay, too.
I'm sure they're hurt and feel betrayed. I know Kelly wasn't going to stay at Cinci forever, but he could've at least stayed long enough to FINISH something well. I'm not sure there's ever a good or painless way to leave a program you turned around for (allegedly) bigger and better things.
I am really having a tough time finding convincing evidence that Kelly is such an asshole. So he went for the money, big deal. We live in a capitalist society people - our culture is built on "going for the money." He just made his family that much more comfortable with his new job. And perhaps the prestige, recruits, and resources at ND also had a little to do with the decision.
Plus, he may have said to his players he was staying at Cinci, but perhaps he believed it then. Regardless, a coach shouldn't drag it out buy telling his players - oh, I may leave and I may stay. That is not the best thing for the team. Lying to them until the end was perhaps the best approach for their season - and he takes one for the team at the end by being the villain.
And I might be an asshole, but I also am having trouble finding fault in his statements while at CMU.
Well, there goes our schematic advantage.
Decided. Schematic advantage.
Is this saying we only had a decided schematic advantage because they didn't have a coach? Or because they had a large marine animal as one before that.
I'm a little shocked by the players' reactions. It's been pretty clear for a while that Kelly was looking for his next big job--that's not great but there's nothing particularly wrong with it either.
What is a coach supposed to say when he's interested in another job? He was pretty honest: "I love this job" is not saying that he's not going to leave. In fact it's a nice way to avoid the question, especially compared to a jerk like Saban who feels free to just out-and-out lie.
I can't blame the guy for leaving Cinci. It's not just the money at ND; he'll probably never go undefeated at ND and left out of the championship game (hopefully he'll just never go undefeated period). He hit the lid for what is possible at Cinci--even with a potentially great team it was never up to his team: they had to hope that other teams lost and in the end that didn't happen.
That said, I wish him no success at ND. And if he has success, I wish for him job offers from the NFL :)
with the state of the team emotionally as well. At WV they had just come off a loss to Pitt & lost the chance to play in a NC so the bowl game had lost a little luster. This team is looking at a 13-0 season where they just came off an emotional win & they feel like they should be playing in a NC and have something to prove to the world. Now the coach abruptly leaves & these kids feel slighted. Plus a situation like that can get compounded by someone without personable attributes. Something I think RR has and Kelly doesn't have as much of from watching interviews etc. over the last few years.
Thats another reason why I can't stand all the people who keep saying RR is a dick & treats people bad. Seriously folks, how the fuck did you come to that conclusion?!? Ya didn't. Most people let the media and gossip make that judgement for them. In my opinion I see Rich as a pretty honest, genuine yet no nonsense guy with a lot of character.
Its obvious he has character. Look at what the guy has been through since he got here. And he is still upbeat and smiling. I swear when we win a NC in the coming years, and I really feel like this is going to happen, its going to be so much sweeter than anything I have tasted before as a fan & I am sure it will be a million times more for RR and the players.
To respond to many of the above posts, of course no one blames Kelly for taking a better job. He advanced his career, no doubt about it.
However, when a person advances in his or her career, he rarely does it alone. He got the ND job because he had a lot of success at his previous stops, and the players he coached there were a big part of it.
He knew a week ago that it was possible, if not likely, that he would take the ND job, and he lied to his players outright. I think this is why they had the reactions they had and why so many people are making the character judgments that they are making about Brian Kelly.
I think that this shows a lot about Kelly's character and I wouldn't be surprised if this comes back to bite him somehow.
Your right he didn't do it alone and he obviously knows that since he is bringing the majority of the staff with him. And the players he won with he recruited, he brought them into UC, he identified, recruited and signed them. Its not like he is throwing his players out of school or telling them they can't play football anymore.
Until someone can provide an actual quote from Kelly, to say he "lied to his players outright" is just plain stupid to say it. Have you guys even stopped to think about what your saying?
I feel bad for the players, but it's a great opportunity for Kelly. He doesn't deserve to be stoned or anything.
Cincinnati isn't a major program, so why is he so terrible for taking a better job? Kids leave college for a better job, the NFL. Of course you feel bad for the players, because it sucks for them, but I don't think that makes Kelly a horrible human being.
If Turner Gill takes the Kansas job, does that make him a horrible person and jerk for turning his back on Buffalo? No, because Buffalo, like Cincinnati, is not a major program, and it will never be. Brian Kelly said it earlier this season:
Where do you think your facilities rank in the Big East?
"Negative. You can't even compare it to any of the teams in our league. There are no luxury boxes, so there is no revenue stream there, either. We have the smallest stadium [35,098 capacity]. From an infrastructure standpoint, the university has to decide if it wants to get it done or not."
But I am an impatient guy. That is my problem. We can't wait. Our new president will have these things on his table, and I'll keep doing my job and we'll see what comes up at the end of the year.
The guy wants a better job, so be it. I understand he misled the players, and that's a mistake he's made at a third consecutive school, but that doesn't make him horrible. If he would've said something last week, they definitely would've lost to Pitt, and they wouldn't be in a BCS bowl.
When a guy makes the same "mistake" of lying to his players at three consecutive stops, it's probably not really a mistake at that point. At this point, we can probably say it's reflective of his character.
Its a mistake to "mislead" your players the week before the Pitt game in order to keep them focused on the Big East title and the chance at an undefeated season?! It was reported that Cincinnati did very little to keep him - knowing ND was interested, listen to the Dan patrick interview again. BK was not misleading - he didn't guarantee he would coach the bowl game.
The Cincy players last night showed us the difference between college football players and adults.
Kelly and Cincinnati were in negotiations over a new contract when he left. What else were they supposed to do?
Show some effort towards building the things that would establish the team as a long term power. Brian Kelly was asked where Cincinnati's facilities rank in the big east. His answer?
Negative. You can't even compare it to any of the teams in our league. There are no luxury boxes, so there is no revenue stream there, either. We have the smallest stadium [35,098 capacity]. From an infrastructure standpoint, the university has to decide if it wants to get it done or not.
The university has shown no effort to do any of this stuff. Would you want to stay where the administration puts little to no emphasis on what you do? Especially when you are offered the opportunity to join a program that is willing to do almost anything to make football successful. That actually has the infrastructure to be a powerhouse.
I specifically remember reading in one of the "What happens when Charlie W. gets fired" posts previous to this season that Kelly was at odds with the University over the lack of commitment to improving the facilities and thereby the program.
If he was making no headway on that front even with the year he was having - I don't blame him for leaving.
So I don't blame him for leaving regardless of how well he handled it.
He doesn't deserve to be stoned or anything.
That's one heck of a straw man. I'm quite certain no one advocated anything harsher than a lethal injection.
They should have an opportunity to play seniors they recruited before they get the needle.
If coaches should get 5 seasons before they get executed, should they not be allowed to move to another prison before they are at one for 5 seasons?
College football coaches should be like the grand vizier of the Ottoman empire: they work until the sultan has had enough, after which they're replaced or executed.
It's a tough, tough life. Like was said earlier in this thread, we live in a capitalist society and most of our main goals are to climb up the ladder.
On one hand I can't blame Brian Kelly for taking this job, because he is looking out for what's best for his family and this is definitely a step up the ladder no matter what anyone thinks. Anyone in any career or job knows that sacrifices have to be made when it comes to one's family or themselves.
On the other hand, coaching, like a couple other professions, has different standards that most of society holds them to and that's what this comes down to.
It sucks and I feel bad for those players but this is the world we live in and I think, like Mardy said, we're starting to realize that college football is becoming a business and probably should be treated as such.
...had been offered a full ride to ND out of high school and was guaranteed to be the starting WR and that they would throw the ball 65% of the time, does he even sniff Cincinnati? Hell, no.
I think the Bearcat players have some legit gripes about being mislead, but there is also a lot of similarity with the WVU folks in thinking they're on par with a Michigan or a Notre Dame.
When an opportunity like this arises, it's damned hard to say no. If and when these players are in the NFL and they've finished their first contract with the Lions/Chiefs/Rams/Browns, and then the Steelers, Cowboys, and Patriots come calling, are they going to say, "no, I told my teammates I'm a _________" ? I hope these kids realize that this is like making shoes for Stride Rite and then Nike or Adidas make an offer.
Football coaching is just like any other career. You start out getting someone coffee and work your way up, moving from place to place until you get where you want to go. That isn't the problem. The big difference between college football and other professions is the emotional impact you have on the people you work with and the fans. In that sense, it isn't just a "job," and it bothers me when coaches lie to their players and hide behind the "it's a business" line when it becomes convenient for them. I understand that the ND job is a very good, high-paying job and Kelly is well within his rights to interview for it. But this does not excuse him from flat-out lying to the players that committed themselves to him and his program. For God's sake, tell them that you're interviewing for the job, and that you might take it. It may suck for the players regardless, but it's better than being lied to.
I agree. If Kelly can say that it's just business to the Cinci players, he should say that to his new players as well. On the recruiting trail, he should tell recruits that he's only looking out for #1 and if another team of the NFL comes calling, he'll bail.
I have a feeling he might not need to tell them that though, which may play into our favor.
BK runs his mouth, probably more than Weis. I don't think he fits ime. Let the drama begin. There are D1 programs and there are the "major" D1 programs like ND and Mich. Higher expectations, more press, more drama and more heartache. This was a rushed hire, ND jumped b/c of the luster of BK and his wins. BK had a good run this year but his team consisted of veterans, senior QB and other players. The similarities with UM's hire of RR are undeniable. I just hope UM doesn't languish like ND has with 4 different coaches.
an openly pro-choice football caoach at a university whose student body and alumni just had a fit because they asked the POTUS, also pro-choice, to come speak on campus. I wonder how their fan base will react to this? Will winning football games trump philosopical and evangelical beliefs for alumni? It obviously has for the decision makers. How will this affect those future recruits who parents are devout catholics and would never vote for anyone pro-choice? Are they going to want this to be the man who is suppose to be molding their child?
I'm sure in Kelly's case, he knows or he'll find out that football recruiting is the same as this blog: Don't talk politics and you'll be fine.
and that is not something he is very good at. How is he suppose to promote himself if he's quiet?
Not to try to take higher moral ground, but RR (as far as we know) didn't look his players in the eye and say "I'm not going to Michigan. Ignore all the talk." His mistake was in saying that he would be in WV for the rest of his career, but that was more against the fans.
BK has to do what he needs to do--we know that--but he should not have lied to his players, especially after they were ditched by Dantonio. A player actually said after BK talked to the team something like, "Then again, Dantonio also looked us in the eye and told us he wasn't leaving."
RR stayed at WVU instead of going to Alabama because he was promised more money for his assistant coaches and significant facility upgrades. Therefore, he signed his extension and said that he would be at WVU for the rest of is career.
That obviously was sincere, since he turned down Alabama (a job with similar prestige as ND or Michigan).
The issue was that the WVU president and AD reneged on their promise of facility upgrades and more assistant pay. When RR realized that this happened, RR started looking elsewhere and accepted the Michigan job.
It's easy to pull random quotes and base an opinion from them, but please understand the entire story.
Honestly, who cares? Nobody in their right mind expected Brian Kelly to stay at Cincinnati. He's consistently shown a desire to move up in the ranks, from GVSU to CMU to UC. Did the players think UC was the pinnacle of college football? They went 12-0 and nobody in the entire country was even talking about them for a national championship game bid.
The dumber thing about this is that most of the guys who were interviewed on ESPN were seniors. Seriously, why are they pissed that this guy is "abandoning" them? They're either headed to the NFL or into the life of selling insurance. Not that they have a choice whether to continue playing in college, but still, he got them to their undefeated season and their bowl game. They should just be thankful that Mark Dantonio left, or else they wouldn't be 12-0 right now.
Coaches move up in the world, and it's not always because it's a "business." Some coaches want the challenge of coaching at a higher level, or they want the opportunity to win a national championship. That's not about "business." That's about satisfying personal goals. If these guys had a chance to play in the NFL but Brian Kelly wanted them to stick around and become assistant coaches, would they stay? Hell no. They would say, "Eh, maybe when I retire from playing, but right now I want to earn millions of dollars and try to make my name in the NFL."
I don't think anyone is begrudging his leaving for ND. It's that he apparently assured his players - as recently as Saturday after the game - that he would stay, only to bolt once he got the chance. There are ways to go about these things without stepping on everyone's toes.
The timing - walking away from a 12-0 team - is kind of iffy, too.
ND's offer must have been "now or never"; they weren't going to wait until January for a head coach. And Kelly knows he's probably not 12-0 with Cinci a year from now. His stock would never be higher at Cinci, time to SELL!
Just informed our team that Notre Dame has contacted me and I will listen to what they have to say.
From the weekend btw,
you and everyone else are putting too much stock into the highly emotional comments of only 2 players and this is all without any actual quote from Kelly. If he was the coach at any other school you wouldn't have given it a thought
They went 12-0 and nobody in the entire country was even talking about them for a national championship game bid.
But, Texas misses that one kick, and everybody has to talk about them for an MNC bid, because they'd likely be in it.
And, that senior class was the winningest in the history of the UC program. Of course they wanted to give Florida their best shot in the bowl game, but it seems to me like they had a lot of pride in what they helped build, and wanted to be known as the ones that started a dynasty at the school. It's hard to do when you're left scrambling for a new coach.
The timing isn't iffy. He's walking away from a 12-0 team that a) didn't get a national championship bid, b) is losing some key seniors, and c) isn't a traditional power. Notre Dame probably isn't going to wait a month without a coach. He either takes the job right now or the job goes to Randy Edsall. Coaches leave their teams prior to bowl games all the time. If Kelly were going to take the job, we all knew that he wouldn't be coaching UC in the bowl game.
I'm not talking about the timing being iffy for him. Cincinnati just capped off its best season in school history, and on the day of the team banquet, no less, he made it clear that he was bolting.
and whats the problem?
Anyone who takes a new coaching position is going to be playing from behind the moment they accept the job. Keeping the current team intact, hiring or rehiring the assistants, getting back into recruiting, not to mention all the parading the university will do, if he doesn't take the job at the first available opportunity he only makes his job harder. And we're talking about ND here, where the position is already a bit tough
Your crazy if you think he should stay any longer
What effect do you think this will have on UC for their bowl game? I live in NOLA and was offered tix (for face value). As a Michigan fan I have no rooting interest but since I've never been to a bowl game I thought I'd give it a shot. Now I'm not sure if there will be a football game or two listless teams with shattered dreams going through the motions.
It would actually be a huge blow to the school's program if they went 3 or 4 weeks without a coach. Not only would Brian Kelly have less time to learn/work with his program, but he would then have to hire a staff to Notre Dame when they finally hired him in January.
Let's say Brian Kelly didn't get hired until January 3. It might take him two weeks to hire a staff. That puts him at January 17. Meanwhile, National Signing Day is coming up on February 3. That would give Kelly about 2.5 weeks to recruit players when he and his staff might not already know the current commits and/or other kids who might be interested in attending Notre Dame.
Which is a big problem, IMO. This is getting off the original topic, but either A) bowl games need to be pushed closer to the regular season (among many other reasons) or B) national signing day should be moved a month or two later.
I understand the harsh feelings the players have about the situation but this is the way things happen college football.
People leave early all the time.
I am sure have plenty of examples of college underclassmen leaving for the NFL early. Underclassmen who are key players who raised their teams to the highest levels. But I don't think we get mad or disappointed.
We are in a situation where we may lose our best DB early to the NFL, but none of us are mad at Warren for making a life changing business decision. We are dissapointed because we are selfish (I mean this as a positive) fans who want UM to win. If he goes, I wish him the best of luck. If Gilyard was good enough to go pro after his jr. year and chase the money, I am sure that Kelly wouldn't be crying to the media about loyalty. The writing is on the wall in college football. Players and coaches are always looking for the next best thing for them, whether it is a new team or leaving for the pros.
when Brian Kelly arrived in Cincy to take the head coaching job no one from the press came to the announcement. He was furious about that, and it really shows what kind of a program that school was before he got there. Add that to the small stadium, bad facilities, and low income and you get a good idea of how big a step up going to ND is for him.
The big problem with ND last year was much the same as Michigan. No defense. Brian Kelly is a great offensive mind, but he is not a defensive guy. Did anyone see Illinois put up a ton of points on this team? A second thing that is a bit weird is imagining ND in 5 wide spread passing attack all the time. There goes your running game... Fortunately for them, our DB's will probably be bad again next year and it will make for another high scoring game in the rivalry.
Considering ND has a pretty legitimate WR corp (Floyd, Rudolph, Kamara, Evans), this is a scary thought.
This exact circumstance is another reason why the BCS sucks. Do you think for one second that BK up and leaves UC if they are preparing for a matchup with Florida in an NCAA FB playoff? The same could be said for RR and his WVU team after losing to Pitt. If these premier teams (or teams like WVU, UC, TCU that have amazing seasons) had something else to play for besides the pomp, circumstance, and dare I say it "tradition" of meaningless BCS games like a CHANCE to play for a National Championship I would think coaches would think twice about jumping ship.
Just to add some perspective, on the local news in Cinci they interviewed a bunch of players and I would say all were at least somewhat supportive of Kelly. In other words, despite what Gilyard was quoted as saying, he also said some positive things. Same thing with Isaiah Pead. Then there were a number of players who only said positive things, again, at least as broadcast on the local news.
Gee, it's almost as if the national media wanted to find the most controversial angle on the story and then present that in isolation from any facts that would contradict that angle...
Seriously - it's amazing that people who are extremely familiar with the villainization of Rich Rodriguez can lose sight of exactly what sorts of things the media reports, and what sorts of things they don't.
exactly, I mean of anyone I expected to have some understanding.....
The players had similar reactions at Central when he left. He told them how much he wanted to stay and this and that, and then bolted.
I empathize with the players, but I, in no way, begrudge or am critical of BK for doing this.
I'm already thinking of taking the Over on wins for ND next year. Dude has won big with other people's players his whole career, dont see why that would change at ND.
Are people who support Rodriguez trying to say Kelly is an asshole? Kelly did, 100%, the same, exact thing as Rodriguez. Jesus, people.
Yes, Rodriguez did the exact same thing and I don't blame either Kelly or RR for improving their situations. How else are highly publicized coaching changes handled? I'm not sure if there is a "right" way to do it.
Kelly is a liar:
"Obviously I'm very excited to stay here and I plan on being here a long time," Rodriguez said later at a news conference. "We've done some pretty good things over the last five years or so. We're not done yet. We're going to continue to grow."
BRIAN KELLY TWEETED THAT HE WAS INTERVIEWING FOR THE JOB. Rodriguez called recruits and told them he was leaving before he told his team. Come on, people. I like Rodriguez, but...come on.
I find both situations to be less than what the player's deserved. Kelly needed a police escort last night when he went to the team's banquet. Tells you something about love or lack thereof.
While it won't happen, someone wrote a column in a Cinci paper that suggested that any coach leaving before his team finished their season, including bowl games, should be forced to sit out a year, similar to what players who switch programs experience.
I understand the rigors of recruiting, etc., but players deserve more than having their coach bolt, regardless of who he is, three weeks before a BCS bowl.
Yeah and every coach has a police escort when on the football field as well, what does that tell you.
The only reason you are at all at odds with this is because he is going to ND. He hasn't even been introduced as the Head Coach yet and you are already trying to find some reason to hate him. Man thats pathetic
Nobody even remotely thought that BK will leave Cincy. This came out of nowhere (sarcasm). We all knew that he is the next up and coming coach and eventually he will leave for a big time job. Why were the players so surprised? Don't they read the papers or watch TV? Everybody knew he will be the next ND coach, but as a coach you cannot say "I'm leaving" until you sign the contract, so how can you answer that question a week before that?
that Kelly left. He said in interviews that he had an agreement with the administration in place to expand various athletic facilities and they didn't come thru. Plus, they left him as a lame duck coach (no buyout, no extension), so what do they expect.
The players at Cincy I feel bad for. Welcome to what the rest of the world already knew, NCAA Football IS a business for everyone involved EXCEPT the players. They are modern day indentured servents, "Psst! Yeah, you kid with the 4.5 40 who can bench 300 lbs 20 times. I'll make you a deal, a free ride to the new world (college education), but you need to sweat and bleed for me for the next 4-5 years. I'm gonna make a ton of money off you, but give you little in return."
It makes the protests over a play-off even more laughable.
This is not entirely true, and when I say "entirely" I mean "at all."
The new practice fields are planned and scheduled for construction this year. UC is extremely landlocked and doesn't have many big-pocket alumni, so there just isn't an obvious 25,000 ft^2 parcel of land and a warehouse of doubloons to turn into practice fields overnight.
Also, I believe (though I am prepared to be corrected) that UC extended Kelly's contract and gave him a big raise after each of the first two years. In countering ND, they offered him big dollars for a humble public school in Ohio (as opposed to the arrogant public school in Ohio up I-71).
or rather, those at Cinci who didn't understand what an offer from ND would mean to Kelly. It's no different from RR leaving WVU for Michigan. It's a step up in the world of college football. I can't recall Urban Meyer getting hammered for leaving BG after just two years for Utah, nor for leaving Utah after just two years for Florida. And it's no different than it's always been. Go check out the records of such legendary coaches as Bryant and Royal. They didn't always coach at Alabama and Texas. Bryant and Royal and Bo and Paterno stayed as long as they did at their final schools because there was no higher place to go—they could only have made a lateral or downward move. If anybody thinks Bo Schembechler would have stayed 21 years at Indiana they're deluding themselves.
I don't get it! This is like accusing a minor league player of treachery because he signed with a major league team. Of course if he stays they will be good for a long time, but he's 12-0 this year and nobody even mention about Cincy playing in the NC. ND is one of the elite programs in the country and this kind of job is not available all the time. This is one in a lifetime opportunity. Who knows, maybe next time, when this kind of opportunity presents itself, he may not be the first choice and then you get stuck at Cincy. Just think about, D'Antonio left Cincy for MSU. Isn't that telling you enough about the Cincy job?
I think it would be a good rule if coaches had to sit out for a year if they left early.
That being said, I think there would also have to be a penalty for institutions who fire their coaches mid-season.
If everything's going to be fair, you have to hold all parties accountable.
To come to Notre Dame.
First of all, you have to give the Bearcat players their due - they are not a historically elite team, and not in an elite conference, but they have played at a level as a team to put them in the hunt this year. They are rightfully proud of that accomplishment.
That said, much like the West Virginia fans (and apparently AD, University President and Governor), it is hard after being successful, and coming so close, to hear someone they had put so much belief in tell them they are not elite.
To me the laughable aspect in a year when so many players are thinking about entering the draft because of salary cap changes, the players get upset when the coach goes for the prestige and the money.
The man is making a career move. He as an opportunity to be the head coach for Notre Dame.
Sure, it's about money and prestige. But as a coach in college football, you owe it to your players to see them through the season, especially a season like they're having. It just goes to show you that for some it's about "the team, the team, the team" and for others, it isn't.