Hey, Michigan is my favorite program too! We should be friends!
Tennessee is not recruiting well just because they got 18 dudes
Hey, Michigan is my favorite program too! We should be friends!
Your bond is certainly strong enough that you should follow him and send him creeper tweets.
It's up to you on how you'd like to interpret the term "follow."
This year is a sneaky good class. We're leading or close with Lewis, KLS, Roseboro, Wheatley, Weber still and we already have guys like Clark, Cole, Kinnel.
Feel confident enough to make another buckle up thread?
Oh snap. That's funny because it's true.
but it was the first thing I thought of before clicking the thread!
Always knew this phrase would be uttered someday, but Carlos Spicyweiner wins the internet today!
There's dark corners of the internet where he wins every day.
I get bad feels about Wheatley.
Yeah, exactly what I was thinking. (Let's not jinx anything though LOL)
If we could get those guys you named this class would be excellent. Proabably a Top-15 class. I just hope we can fit all those guys in the class. Coaches are still thinking of another Linebacker (Bilal, Masina) and maybe even another Offensive Lineman.
wasn't sure if you'd show your face around here anymore. or show your face in the internety sense.
...committed to Michigan...but you jinxed that one buddy!
is a 2016 recruit.
then I'll get excited.
I've got the opposite line of thinking.
All kids are blown away after official visits. He is already that amped? He may wave one of those old timey papier mache fans in his face and faint when he actually gets on site.
but why do you read or reply to recruiting threads? You almost always post just to say how disinterested you are and try really hard to give the impression you don't care about recruiting or a particular recruit basically until they've committed. It's just confusing because you clearly care about recruiting even if you pretend to not get "excited" about a 5 star top priority player saying Michigan is his favorite school... again and even before he's been able to visit.
There's a vast difference between being very interested in recruiting—which I am—and getting all sweaty and celebratory over random comments by 17-year olds we're pursuing, which is the norm around here. It wasn't too long ago that more than a few were jubilantly putting Hand in a Michigan uniform based on early favorable comments he made about Michigan.
What comes to mind right away is all the high-fiving around here about "Professor Needs-a-Raise" because of comments that Hand himself made about the presentation Needs-a-Raise made to him. Plenty of people around here were convinced Hand was more or less in the bag because of it. Alabama engineering? LOL.... we've got Sports Management!
Fast forward a few weeks after that and people were ready to jump off ledges, fire Hoke, and roast Sam Webb on a spit for good measure.
Having KLS say nice things about us now is certainly a good thing, but if I had a fiver for every highly-ranked recruit over the last 20 years who has said nice things about U-M only to sign with another school on NSD, I could have nice dinner at the Chop House with dessert, brandy and a cigar afterwards.
If you want to subject yourself to the roller-coaster of putting a lot of stock in the words and emotions of teenagers who are trying to figure out where they want to go to school and play football 13 months from now, go ahead.
This one seems a bit more genuine because it's not coming off a "let's blow your teenage mind" official visit.
Your point stands, however.
You can't seriously tell me you clicked on this thread not knowing that it was going to be about. We have one of our top targets saying nice things about Michigan in no uncertain terms, it's ok to be excited and happy about it. If things go south later, I'll react accordingly, but there's enough negative nancying on this board without it spreading to the one area where Michigan has been overwhelmingly successful over the last 3-4 years.
Where in the flying fuck did you get the idea that I didn't know what the thread was about?
As for "negative nancying" about recruiting, I've made plenty of comments since Hoke has arrived to the effect that his recruiting has been tremendous, which is what I believe.
Some of you don't know the goddamn difference between weather and climate. Looking at whether or not we get one recruit is weather. Looking at entire recruiting classes is climate. Guess which one is more important.
Don, you are always grumpy but it's the good kind of grumpy and I like it. Keep up the fine work.
What I mean is if you dont care about what a recruit has to say until he visits, why bother clicking on the thread, let alone leaving a wet blanket comment?
I upvoted Don grudgingly. While I want to disagree with him, I'd be foolish not to admit that he makes a fair point. His example of Hand is spot on. Kids fall in love with a program, or a coach, or a visit, and everything is hearts & flowers & songbirds. But like a lot of teenage love, the ardor can cool, or your head can get turned by another program. I have absolutely no doubt that KLS is completely sincere in his positive comments about UM. But to be blunt, until his name is on the LOI, it's not a given – and he hasn't even given a verbal yet. (Not that verbals are a lock, either – as proven by Damien Harris and George Campbell.)
I choose to be guardedly optimistic about KLS. He's saying the right things, his recruitment is trending in the right direction, the signs are good … but let's hold off on the next “buckle up” thread for the time being.
I'm cautiously optimistic too. Does him saying nice things in August mean he is a lock to commit to us in February? No.
But is it better than him having a list of his top twenty or so schools and we are not even on it? Yes.
4 stars to Rivals? Don't want him.
LOL JUST KIDDING, you guys [and gals].
/my emotions gif
How do you say his name?
Confirmed by SBNation interview.
How do you say "Keyshawn"?
Kay El Ess I think is how it is spoken.
In all honestly, I don't know, but I think it is "Kay-shawn Loose-ee-air South"
It doesn't matter how Key-Shawn's name is pro-NOUNCD' just as long as it's at Michigan.
Furthermore, if we could handle Tishmunga Biakabatuka, we can handle any name.
How do you pronounce "South"?
I'm with Don on this one. Just win games and the top kids will come.
Personally, I think that if Borges wasn't fired, Harris would still be committed here. Harris' HS coach is tight with Borges and likes him a lot. Harris was like the one guy Borges had a big impact on during his recruitment.
I'll take Nuss with No Harris rather than Borges + Harris.
It won't let me like your comment more than once. But since I'm Canadian, once you do the exchange to US, can't I like a comment at least twice?
Based on today's exchange rate, you can like it once and have I-don't-give-a-shit-one-way-or-the-other change left over for another comment.
Couldn't agree more
Nuss+Isaac > Borges+Harris
I disagree! We should tank for the draft!
we were also Auden Tate's and Damien Harris's favorite school. i will be cautiously optimistic on this one.
Shun the non-believer!
We were also the favorite school for Auden Tate, as well as Damien Harris. I will be very cautiously optimistic with this one.
Double post? Double the downvotes.
Odd. A paternal double post. That's... rare.
Although that may be true Auden Tate never even made it to campus so that could be a problem in assuming that we were ever the favorite over a school like Florida State
People seem to forget that Harris liked the school, but he also really liked Borges.
The only thing we are missing on defense is consistent pressure off the edge. Hopefully Clark, Ojemudia and company can provide that this year.
How many times have we heard a kid say that they watched Michigan all growing up, that they love the tradition, its their favorite school, and then they go elsewhere?
I'm not bashing this kid at all. He's got the right to go wherever he wants. I'm just saying that Michigan can't seriously expect to play the tradition card and expect to lure in the top recruits solely because of that. Ohio State has a great tradition too, but the big difference between them and us is that they win right now, and have been winning nonstop for the last decade or so. We haven't.
Top recruits want to play for winners.
"How many times have we heard a kid say that they watched Michigan all growing up, that they love the tradition, its their favorite school, and then they go elsewhere?"
Not as often as they end up here?
To be fair, half the kids we get from Ohio have said that same thing about the Buckeyes.
Really, this class will not be top 10 because of the size of it. However, at this rate, we will be top 5 based on quality, which is far more important. I am not sure why people even rate classes by anything other than quality/stars per recruit. Sites should NOT favor your Miami/Mississipi schools just because they sign 61 kids a year.
Because a school has 85 scholarships which means you have to sign more than 21 a year on average.
Not if you count red shirts and every team red shirts people it'd be more like 85/5 years or 17 kids per class if and this never happens... everyone exhausted their eligibility and no one entered the draft early.
They do if they want to be known as the most correct predictor of class strength. Stars are simply a probability that a player will be a contributor. People look at a class as a whole and see how many contributors come out if it, not what each person was ranked and if they played out to that potential. So a class with 30 kids vs a class with 15, even if they're all 4 stars, definitely has a better chance of producing more contributors. Which recruiting sites need to take into account. There are exceptions obviously which is why MAC classes with 30 kids are never ranked higher than 50th
from the school's perpsective is how well they addressed their needs. It's too subjective to do national ratings that way, but that's what we'll be focused on the most when this class is signed.
Compare us to Penn State. On 247 they have 18 commits with an average of 90.08 and the #5 class. We have a higher average, 90.68, but only 9 commits so we are ranked 28. Penn State has 11 4 stars and we only have 7 so even though we have a higher average everyone would agree that Penn State's class is better.
While I agree that it's more important, I would not say it's far more important. Depth is critical for a program (see UM OL since Hoke has been at UM) and while more 4-star recruits pan out than 3-stars, the majority still do not pan out as hoped. Thus, most of these kids are lottery tickets and the more you have, the better.
I think what the sites should calculate is a rolling 4-year average to see how teams are doing with the full 85 schollies. That way schools that take 25-30 kids in a class for 2 years in a row a couple years ago aren't held back by the fact they can only take 15 or so in the next 2 classes. This way, they could also take into account kids that don't qualify or transfer early or leave for whatever reason early.
By the way, we signed 29 in 2010 which is more than Mississippit St or Ole Miss signed in any class over the last 5 years. Miami only signed 20 in 2011 and 2013.
How many did Miami sign in 2012?
Average 25 a year
Not really that egregious.
For one you suck, and are at best a self hating Michigan fan.
Michigan last 4 classes
If we throw in 2015 Michigan will have 15 tops and Miami will have at least 25 again.
Making the averages:
Basically an entire extra signing class over the course of 5 years. But nothing egregious at all.
So when we have a huge class for 2016 will you be complaining? Every school gets 85 total. You can sign 15 one year and 30 the next if you want. If you only sign 15 your class will be ranked lower.
I see it like this, signing fewer kids has its advantages. For one, it means you are loosing less kids year in and year out, be it because of graduation or because you kicked someone off the team, signing 15 kids means that you have 70 players returning thus making your team more experienced.
Michigan signed 27 players in 2009 of wich only 9 If I recall correctly finished their degree, so we had 18 scolarships to offer sooner than we thought and that's why this team has been one of the youngest teams in the conference the last few years.
Alabama is by far the best program and college football. They sign 25 players every single year.
And they cut/transfer out 8 players a year too.
I'm proving the point that it's a huge advantage.
I agree, but the only way to do it and don't be sleazy is if you can send 8 junior players to the draft every year... attrition is common but if anyone wants to sign 25 players every year they'll need to lose 8 every year so they don't go over the limit. Next year UM will have only 15 true freshmen and lots of experience on board.
Oh man his name is gonna get so butchered by BTN play by play guys.
The KLS is gonna rock you...
It's amazing how many people can take something positive like a stud recruit saying he loves Michigan and be essentially upset because other people who have nothing to do with this recruit have said similar things in the past and not committed. Does this mean we should get excited every time a recruit didn't have us in his top 5? I mean, I can remember 1 recruit I didn't think we'd get but did, therefore every recruit that doesn't like us will commit. Yay.
Not to mention all of the guys who grew up Michigan fans who committed to Michigan like Peppers.
Plus, when I committed to the school (as a fan, student, alumn) I never wavered. Until I see any recruit on the field, I have my doubts. We have fans that are only committed to the team when they are winning even though they say Michigan is their favorite school. Favorite school is two words without actions that support.
I think Mattison really wants him to build around, a devastating defensive end can really put the other team off balance trying to compensate if they don't have a top tackle or TE to handle (thinking Lewan vs. Clowney minus 1 particular play). Seems like his fellow recruiting friends (maybe some of them UM commits already) are telling him good things, with time marked from the BBQ going forward. Keep up the positive reinforcement, guys! Getting a guy to come from CA on his own dime could be a challenge, but the Official Visit will hopefully fill in the picture in vivid living color.
I thought we'd have a few commits after the BBQ... Someone please commit!
Having trouble with the embed, but Steve Lorenz had a tweet saying that Michigan is not his leader and that KLS "claims no leaders at this time."
Y'all ever get the feeling a lot of our recruits are holding their breath waiting to see how we do this season???? I do. Just gotta win and this whole recruiting business will get A LOT easier.
Every recruiting thread always ends with 'just win.' Also, downvote for your use of y'all, even if I do live in Virginia.