By Rivals.com you mean Cracked.com and this is a joke.
By Rivals.com you mean Cracked.com and this is a joke.
If true, FML. Where the hell would he go? If he can't start here, where could he start?
Got it too chewer. Figured that there was a moratorium on this subject, since nothing has blown up yet...
rumor mongering helps no one in or out of the program. by sticking to things that can be verified officially or "damn close" the board becomes less bs and more truthiness
Exactly why I didn't post it. I respect Les Miles as our head coach too much to do that to him...
Well, that just sucks. Has there been any information as to what led to this? I know that he was struggling, but did he say (or has there been information from reliable sources) as to why he chose to pack it in?
We didn't want him anyway! Everyone knows he wasn't that good of a player, and the coaches hardly recruited him a few years ago. No loss here. /s
Barwis Shmarwis. Keep your kids in shape. Motivate him - whatever it takes. Earn your keep as a coach. Otherwise what good are you? Premium talent needs to be cultivated. This is pathetic.
Dumbest comment in mgoblog history?
this is just unreasonable/stupid. "if he was so good on paper coming out of hs, why hasn't he succeeded - must be the coaching" is the new "UM had a top 15 recruiting class, how could they possibly go 3-9... they're Michigan!"
What does this have to do with Barwis? If Turner wasn't getting in shape during the offseason, he doesn't have the mindset to play big time football. Motivate him with what? He already plays on a great football team that anyone else would kill to play for. This would be due to his own laziness, not our coaches.
Barwis can't lift the weights for him. If a kid doesn't want to do something, he's not going to. If it is true that the kid didn't have the desire to be in shape, we are better out without him. Every player has to be committed to what he is doing for the team.
Look, I am not going to flip out about it. He struggled to get on the field and in the classroom. Michigan is not a good fit for everyone. Best of luck to him and I hope he gets things straightened out at his new school.
I guess I see your logic. This is no big deal right? When I get upset about this I can just comfort myself with the knowledge that there are so many corners on the team ready to take his place and play in college and the Big Ten.... While Turner wasn't the corner (yet) that everyone hoped he would be, he was still solid enough to play in front of all of the incoming freshmen. He was only a redshirt freshman. He had a lot of potential and a lot of time to cultivate it. This is a major blow to the team. We had all better hope that neither Woolfolk or Floyd gets injured.
Look, if he wasn't ready to play, HE WASN"T READY TO PLAY! He was helping anyone on this team. I wish it was a different story, but it's not. Doesn't look like he was going to play corner anyways so let it go man.
There are a lot of ways to contribute - to act like this isn't a loss, however slight, is a bit off. It's not the loss of a starter but it is a loss all the same.
Considering he was our number 3 corner up until Monday, I'm not sure where you're getting this "he wasn't ready to play" stuff. Apparently our coaches thought he was ready to play.
What evidence do you have that he was our #3 CB? I don't ever recall the coaches coming out with a cornerback ranking, and anything else is blatant speculation. From the spring, we only heard about Floyd and Woolfolk and there were only 2 other scholarship CB's on the team at that point. It's very likely that had Turner stuck around, he was farther down the list than 3, because since he got to campus, I never heard anyone, coaches or otherwise, say Turner was better than anyone on our team.
The "he wasn't ready to play" stuff came from the fact that we had a horrible DB situation last fall, and he never sniffed the field. And then after Warren left, no one spoke a good word about Turner, unless it was "I sure hope JT Turner can be good enough to play soon."
Thank you...exactly what he said.
He hasn't transfered. He's just received his release to transfer. There is always a chance that he's feeling disappointed and frustrated and pissed and embarassed right now, but that this evening he'll sit down, think about it, and decide to stay.
It could happen.
Just read on Rivals he plans to transfer
If he transfers to Ohio State I will lose my shit, Doran Grant come on down!!!
What makes you think he would transfer to osu? I wouldn't be shocked to see him at a MAC level school.
He is on the two deep. He's our number 3 corner....
On paper, that may be correct. I usually try and go by who actually gets on the field. And it was sounding more and more like JT wasn't getting there soon.
If you're talking about the events of today, then yes, he wasn't going to see the field. But at the end of spring, there were some mixed reviews on him but he was the solid number 3 corner. Which is where someone with mixed reviews would play, especially with the depth at corner on this team. Again, he's only a redshirt freshman. People shouldn't expect him to be incredible when he's playing one of the hardest positions to play on the field.
then fuck you. Nothing is gifted to you. Good luck wherever you go Justin, I hope you don't regret this for the rest of your life. Have fun with the tattoo removal.
don't take it personally or anything.
I mean, look at his name...
No reason to baby this kid, and certainly no reason to place blame on Barwis. This kid doesn't have the toughness to compete for playing time and would rather just transfer out and head to a school that will give him automatic PT? Good riddance. No "best of luck to you" bullshit for this coward.
I'll take a roster full of Kovacs' before a bunch of entitled pansies like this kid.
We're all assuming that he was one of the kids that "wasn't in shape" to play D-1 ball. But do we know that? Could there be another reason? Just slow down.
I do hope he finds success, because I hope everybody finds success. If he wasn't going to be a player that would see the field this year, then that just makes it better for us. No worse for him.
I never implied that he was. I am assuming he's a baby and doesn't want to work for PT, which is pretty undeniable in light of recent events.
The mods on Rivals are all saying that he did next to nothing this past summer and was extremely out of shape at the start of camp.
+1 for "slow down." Timeless advice.
That is unless you're Shoelaces
my comment was a bit too vitriolic. I'm on a hair trigger right now, I just want to see the team succeed. Blahhhh, I'm going to play golf and forget about this for the day.
Perhaps this is evidence that the newcomers (Courtney Avery, Cullen Christian, T Talbott) are doing well in practice. Perhaps they are impressing and getting more snaps than JT.
...but three days in?
What can we say? Kids transfer. Not everybody's the perfect person in the world. I mean, everyone kills people, murders people, steals from you, steals from me, whatever.
-Turner had a chance for greath things. His life won't be the same.
-The RR detracters will use this as fuel to their fire. (But don't tell me Bo won't have done the same exact thing).
-The team is somewhat weakened by the player's absence.
-This will help opponents to continue to negatively recruit michigan.
I hope JT Turner has a huge wake up call from this whole experience, and when he looks in the mirror blames no one but himself. I will root for him to turn his career around at another institution. I'd rather the young man learns a lesson than throws away his life.
who compulsively has to exert some false expertise and people try to avoid inviting to social events, unless a smart friend-of-a-friend will be there that will tear him a new asshole. then you leave saying "the party was lame anyways."
yeah. that guy.
I hope your wife transfers then.
You may be right. It's not necessarily true in this situation (as none of us know the details) but in general, unmotivated types have a corrosive effect on the entire team. Hopefully his leaving relates mostly to such attitude issues.
players that are serious about football! From what it sounds like Turner never put in the time and didn't take it seriously. Good luck to him.
Yeah, he wasn't supposed to be a starter, but he would have had some PT this year. That means whoever his replacement is (Cullen, Teric, etc.) hopefully plays well. We can't pretend this doesn't hurt. It shouldn't affect our record this year, but this probably means that our secondary will be another big question mark next year with Woolfolk gone. We know Floyd played well in spring, but no one particularly impressed me last year. Even our backup corners weren't great against Delaware State. We need T-Wolf and Floyd to stay healthy, and hopefully we have a serviceable 3rd guy.
Dear Cullen Christian,
good exceptional at football.
Yeah, let's get rid of a non-starter, and somehow that will help us win 2 more games.
It almost certainly won't happen. The Big 10 has a rule preventing a transfer from one Big 10 school to another and receiving an athletic scholarship from the second school... Justin Boren is not on scholarship at OSU.
Michigan-Highly-Touted-Recruit-Transfer-Hating-God is at it again.
I think it's the fact our secondary needed any help it could get.
He wasn't a Lloyd recruit.
Double post by my stupid iphone
True frosh are better than a RS soph who takes off plays and refuses to put into the work that is reqiured to remain on the team. Notice how our secondary got better once Floyd started over JT.
Do you even know who you are ranting about, or are you just spouting random crap? Turner was a RS freshman that has never been on the field, let alone taken plays off or improved the secondary by being replaced as a starter.
This is one of the dumbest comments I've ever seen in this board. You want true freshmen to start for us? Look how that has worked the past two seasons. Everyone has to pay their dues and put in the work. Most upperclassman have seen their time on the scout team throughout their careers. True freshmen are not what we need on the field.
How can a player "take plays off" if he's never been on the field for a play? Do you attend scout team practices or are you just, you know, full of shit?
You are posting like a scout teamer today. Can't get anything right.
ugh I hate when players transfer, oh well, good luck in the future Justin. Lets hope someone can step up big in the secondary this year.
why we are still heavily recruiting so many DB's for next year. Maybe RR knew this was coming. Ya gotta trim the fat to make room for the meat. Crap. Now I'm hungry.
Well this just opens more doors for the 2011 recruiting class. I'm now praying for Dallas Crawford.
I'll be praying for Cullen Christian to have a Warren-as-freshman- esque season and for Doran Grant to come to Michigan
Look - As recently as yesterday, no one predicted Turner to start this year. At any position. Might he have helped with depth or special teams? Sure, but this has very little affect on 2010. Very little. We were hopeful for his future with the team, but that was going to be down the road a bit, we already knew that.
My .02 on the people telling him "Good luck" or "fuck that, don't tell him good luck." We don't know the full story behind this transfer yet. If it truly was that he was just lazy, didn't go to enough work outs because he thought he was a stud and now is pussing out because he's behind everyone, then yeah, he could probably go fuck himself and I'd be OK with it. But we don't know if that's the case, so let's hold out on those comments. As far as wishing kids who leave our program "good luck," I think that's reserved for kids who leave for reasons such as "they just weren't good enough despite trying hard" or "got homesick because of family reasons" or something like that. If a kid comes to UM, doesn't work hard and leaves because he's not getting the respect he thinks he deserves, than I'm OK with you leaving, but no good luck there. Sorry if that's too harsh for some of you.
The thing I find strange about this situation - why transfer 2 days into practice? Why not transfer a month before practice starts, then at least you can start training camp at your new destination. Why wait this long? I'm not sure Justin Turner even has his own best interests in mind when making his decisions, let alone UM's. I have a feeling there is something to this that we don't yet know.
He didn't get toasted by Hemingway until day 1 of practice.
His reaction? "Shit...better get the fuck out of AA..."
I had high hopes for Turner, but when I saw the end of the video of the first day of practice I cringed. I hoped that it was his worst play of practice, and Hemingway's best. However, it looks like I probably guessed wrong. Good luck to you JT.
This is without question the most (really just about the only) reasonable and thoughtful post amidst all the Turner noise.
Could not agree with you more - every word you wrote. Especially agree on all the "good lucks" and "best wishes". If they don't want to be here I'm not spending another minute thinking about them.
I'm supporting the guys playing for Michigan.
But speculation is cathartic when faced with the unknown. Agree with your comments: many CB conversations on this board over the offseason either discounted him entirely, or assumed a move to safety
Why 2 days in? It could be as simple as he was lit up by RR for being out of shape, had a horrible 2 days of practice, and he let it get to him. Snap decision. When you're older, you know those typically don't work out. Not so at twenty
What could've been for 2010 Mich. Football. Sigh.
I though Turner was qualified, he just couldn't pass the OGT, not that that is any better.
Those who stay will be champions. Go Blue
I like both. See: Roh, Craig
You do realize Wisconsin hasn't won a big ten title since 1999 and hasn't played in a BCS bowl since then?
You do NOT bring up this stuff until there is some sort of verification. You don't yell fire in a crowded theater until you're damn sure there's a fire.
If I'm a crowded theater, I guess I don't have a problem with somebody mentioning to an usher that they smell some smoke, rather than waiting until it's an all out Inferno, but that's probably just me...
sounding off Tornado warning sirens until we actually see a tornado? But I thought they were supposed to help us incase there was a "high probability" a tornado could occur?
Give the guy some credit. He gave us some early inside info that sounded pretty unbelievable at the time, but turned out to be true....
PEER-REVIEWED SCHOLARLY ARTICLES FOR VERIFICATION OR BUST! /caps /sarcasm
Because he inquired about the rumor, rather than stating it as fact, he has no duty to provide published sources on the matter
They bombed me and all I did was post the info that I received via a text meesage from one of JTs close relatives about him leaving the program.
Are we going to be as Pro JT as we were Dorsey? Personally - I look at them both as being highly talented and putting in the required work to make it. Weight Room or Class Room, this is Michigan we're talking about.
Best of Luck to both, but that's as far as I go...
I go to the dentist for ONE HOUR and this is what happens! Geez.
We have no idea whether Turner was going to turn into the manbeast he was hyped to be, but it absolutely sucks that we won't find out.
What must do to placate Angry-Michigan-Cornerback-Hating-God??????
Haven't we already suffered enough????
"I'm talking about guys that play for Michigan." - Rich Rodruguez
Cut! (Love his tie though.)
is when we were recruiting Justin, it didn't seem Ohio St. was that big on him. I don't recall them putting out a big press to keep him in state...perhaps at the time Justin was a dyed in blue kind of recruit, but now I'm thinking the recruting events were well played by the Buckeyes...
this drama may not be over yet. JT is still in Michigan and family is going to talk to him. What happens from there remains to be seen.
two 5* CB failures/transfers in two years. wow. this is unbelievable. pray for no injuries in the d-backfield this year.
Plus another 4* guy who couldn't get in and a 5* guy who left early for the draft and didn't even get drafted. Basically we have lost an entire 2-deep worth of 4+* CBs in the last 12 months. Imagine going to Ohio State's roster and removing their top 4 CBs from it. That's basically the situation that we are in.
We're Michigan. Someone will step up. Maybe Teric Jones? We can switch him to CB.
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