Pretty good time. I was fearing worse for him.
further adventures in Jed York being unsuited for his position
He also completed 21 reps on the bench. The WR high was 22. He is making some money this weekend. Good for Junior.
Obviously he was motivated to get to his jersey number. 21 reps for number 21.
Hemingway recently inked a book deal:
I Benched 21
The Legend of Jacked Up Receivers
Was he running that fast the entire time he was here?
Hard to believe manningham ran a high 4.6 in his first try.
Oh yeah you're right because he only improved his time when they put a huge plate of nachos at the finish line.
Most proven drug test ever
Didn't stop Michael phelps...
with Phelps was that once you put the nachos in the pool it tends to buzz kill the muchies.
Bull... how else do you eat 12,000 calories a day. Phelps must've had the munchies 24/7.
is incorrect on the 40s at the combine. He moved before he started running which starts the time. His true 40 is 4.4 and plays much faster on the field than Hemingway. This also shows how unprepared Manningham really is for the combine which is part of the reason why he "fell" in the draft. It's work ethics and off-field concerns.
Coaches and scouts are there timing it themselves. If his time was the result of a quirk and not indicative of his true speed the evaluators would have seen it.
coaches/GM/scouts have their own time which would be the team's official time. The fact that Manningham has terrible work ethics and has big time off-field concerns is more than enough to drop him down in the draft board. Manningham didn't interview well which is another bad thing for him. It's not his 40 time that dropped him on the board. We know that he can run. Manningham has showed that he can consistently separate with ease which is a much better indicator than his 40 time.
isnt that Andrew Luck's time
He embarassed himself in every way possible at the combine IIRC.
It's crazy that a WR can do 21 reps but the Wisconsin center only did 18 or 19. I know it does'nt translate to the field but still a lineman at any position should do more than a WR.
You have to take into account that the center has much longer arms than Hemingway. The longer the arms, the harder to bench press. This is one reason Molk was able to bench so much, he doesn't have very long arms.
is because Molk is a total badass.
this also has to relate to having Barwis as well
The relevant measurement isn't length of arms, but length of arms relative to width of chest. If you have long arms with a proportionally wide chest you're not at a disadvantage.
Right. People don't get it. Look at Kelechi Osemele's numbers. I think he has the longest arms in the draft and he faired just fine, if not great in the bench.
Mike adams from OSU only did 18 i believe as well...
That nebraska dude only repped 225 13 times and ran a 6.00+ 40
Or perhaps bench reps are not indicitive of strength needed to be a good Olineman.
is the worst measure of overall strength of a prospect. It's useless yet it's being used because it's more of a macho thing. The better indictator would be dead lift IMO.
It's position dependent and an olineman would be better judged with the incline bench not the bench. An OLineman won't be deadlifting many people on the field but they would be incline pressing on the field.
Didn't even spell "steroid" right, boss.
Where are the HATERS now! All the best Junior!
Not a Hater, but you are gloating about Junior proving his 'HATERS' wrong at the combine...This didn't translate to the football field often, which is where he will truly be judged.I still don't believe he ran a 4.5...not the receiver I watched this year
Wow, really? You're never going to get more accurate and public measurements of these athletes than at the NFL combine. But yeah, your eyes must be more accurate than the combine results.
I'd say both of you are wrong. The Combine is not that useful. Every year some guy raises his stock dramatically based on a good Combine performance, only to show the next season why he wasn't that highly regarded in the first place. Being able to run fast in a straight line while wearing shorts and a tank top does not tell you that much about a football player.
OTOH, Junior clearly showed that he has big-play receiving ability on the field. With a guy like Henne throwing to him he'd have been a 1,000-yard WR.
I did say that this speed didn't translate often to the football field. He seldom ran past guys on the field, relying on underthrown balls and his leaping ability (which is his strength along with very good hands) to get the big plays. All I was saying as you also said was that in essence, combine performances should not be relied on without on field success.
are another big plus he has going for him.
The combine is absolutely useful for exactly the above poster's point: determining how fast Junior can run a 40. And that's all it purports to do. The rest is armchair internet scouts layering their own meaning onto the results.
So when coldnjl says "i don't believe he ran a 4.5", well, that's an objectively wrong statement. When UMgradMSUdad says "this is a more accurate measurement of how fast he runs a 40 than your eyes", then that's definitely right.
your eyes can be a good barometer of how fast a player runs on the field rather than in shorts. How often do you see players running on the field with shorts? Zero.
Biggest problem than the 40 is the ability of WRs to separate from DBs. Even if you run 4.3 or 4.4, if you can't separate from DBs, your speed is not going to matter at all. Hemingway must show that he can separate from NFL DBs which will always going to be his biggest question mark.
(Steroids aside?!) would beg to differ. I know what you mean, the combine IS overrated, but it actually can help show that an under the radar player shouldn't be so and can raise his stock legitimately, via the combine.
He made some money this weekend. I would think this would move him up to the middle rounds somewhere.
Michael Floyd ran an impressive 4.42.
That just made him a few extra bucks.
I thought he would be around 4.5
Floyd's official time was a 4.47, according to nfl.com.
Happy to hear that. I will always remember Junior tearing up on the podium after an emotional win. I will root for Junior wherever he goes.
That's really cool. Hemmingway looked like a man among boys on many of his catches this year. His only real knock for the pros was that a lot of people thought he wasn't very fast. With his size and strength, 4.5 is very impressive. Congrats to him for proving some of his naysayers wrong.
Junior ran a 4.5? It's definitely possible seeing as how he had to slow down to catch most of the jump balls that came his way.
I think Junior Hemingway is actually going to have a very good pro career. He is going to be a possession number 2 reciever who will get you first downs and help your running game tremendously.
Yeah...I said it....TREMENDOUSLY!!!
Good for junior - in a numbers based game he will give you more than numbers.
to the lions!
What if Denard was coached by the previous regime to "underthrow" balls to covered receivers and let the defenders overrun them? I have seen other coaches and their QB's do this from time to time over the years.
It's really a pretty clever thing to do, like football Aikido: turning the defender's momentum against him. I think a lot of those balls were thrown that way to take advantage of receiver's position relative to the cb or safety.
QBs to throw deep ball. Coaches rather have QB to overthrow and let the WRs run under the ball. If it's underthrown, it's more likely that DBs will make the play on the ball whether if it's CB turning his head around for a INT or PD or S coming over the top to make the play. It's more of Denard's fault for not throwing with enough distance. Fortunately, he is lucky that DBs didn't bother to turn their head around.
That's true in general, but with a guy like Hemingway, who lacks great speed but has great leaping ability, it may make more sense to underthrow the deep ball.