Jumping the Shark: Why the MGoBoard is Unreadable
I think there are some super high quality posts on the site too, but we are seeing the really bad ones because of lack of user moderation.
I think all in all the quality of the posts has not changed, we just see the really bad, trolling, or just plain ignorant a lot more.
I am sick of one thing though, the board is so negative when we are losing, and a lot, not all, have trouble giving credit where credit is due. It's a lot of excuses to why we lost as opposed to the quality of the opposition.
I still post because it is still higher quality michigan only discussion than anything else out there. Reddit is good for general college football discussion, but you get hardcore trolls.
Not fixing the point system has created a bigger issue than the MGoCreators counted on. Not only do the idiots' posts show-up now, they are attracting more idiots, and making it okay to be an idiot.
The failure to address this issue is at least as glaring as any failure of our football team this season.
For me, it's a series of moments more than just one single thing. The commenters (and writers) that repeatedly post contradictory statements about what they want to see and how they want to see it are so chock full of ignorance that I no longer think of MGoBlog as a source of information, but rather an advertisement for a style of play.
I will not stop coming back to the site, but I'm less likely to post diaries and read comments. I just check the site like I do all the Michigan news sites to see if there's information worth knowing. It's sad how far the board has fallen.
We need negs back.
I agree wholeheartedly. I know that the technical obstacles of getting the moderation system healthy again are undoubtedly more complex than I can imagine, but for me it's actually been a large enough detriment to my enjoyment of this community that I have allowed myself to become only tenuously attached to the discussions of the board.
I know people sometimes criticize the groupthink that the blog demonstrates and decry our moderation of contrary opinions as an infringement on thought diversity, but I believe this period of non-moderation is compelling evidence that such diversity is not as valuable as we would have liked to believe - instead, it's generally non-constructive negativity. And it does indeed set a precedent where trolling becomes accepted, and trolls coalesce like wildfire on a parched California chaparral.
I still eat up the front page content, but it's no longer worth the time and effort that it takes to sift through +200 comments for thoughtful dialogue. I'm not abandoning the blog, but I'm certainly distanced for the time being. I'll be back later.
Was when people complained it cost a point to neg a post. I'm not sure why, and am still unsure why people were so afraid of giving up a Mgopoint.
Maybe the older folk should petition the mgoblog staff to stop writing articles for a week and instead fix the comment system. I'm new, so I don't really have much to say about it.
But let's face it, posting has been a tire fire since at least the "2013 Purge/don't call anyone babyfaced as we creeper van them" meltdown.
Yea that was a pretty big "Fuck you" to the loyal readership for doing what they (we?) have always done. Namely : jokes.
If anything was a "well, that's lame" moment, it was that.
It's been markedly worse since that point as far as the commentor pool is concerned. I still like the main board content though and the writing style of most of the dudes.
I don't know, man. This football team is just making it difficult to be a "die-hard" fan for me. I sit down to watch and we just can't play the game well, for lack of a better description. We just don't play football well. It's not easy to watch.
but yeah, the MGoPetulance incident made this place seem different.
Kind of like when your favorite indie band "sells out" for commercial success.
I think the user moderation system being broken/neglected has acted like an untreated infection.
We're all a bunch of unemplyed antibodies now.
you could feel it building for a while.
And I'll bet they regret it (everyone that is) but since then its like after the fall of rome...
While recent event have certainly brought up some old feelings and view for you, it has none of the flame-ability that it had for awhile there, so while have waded into too much of it (somewhat for the reason I state above) I've read your stuff with interest. I still don't think we'd agree on much, but yo'reu giving strong takes on your views without just throwing bombs.
I mean, most of the posts lately are just as explosive as any of yours ever were, but without any of the creativity or panache'.
I've always liked the blog in part because of my perception - which may be totally off-base - that there is a (very large) group of us who have some ownership of what goes on here. That moment made me think "Ah, this is in fact just Brian's blog, and he can and will do whatever he wants based solely on whether he likes something."
But if it's "come see us in Chicago because we're an MGoCommunity" then we either have to be an MGoCommunity and treated like one, or it's just a business ploy (which is PERFECTLY fine) but then we should probably be treated a little more like customers. The "it's a personal playground but a business" is permissible with one's own property, but I'm not sure it's a great business model. But it's certainly worked so far.
I've been here for awhile and don't know what you are referring to.
There was an interview on the front page with a recruit (don't remember who, but I think he's a HS sophomore), and some commenters commented on the fact that he looks really young. The kid sees the "he looks really young" comments and makes mention of it on Twitter. Brian unleashes Old Testament-like judgment, banning a bunch of long-standing and respected posters.
That's about as neutral as I can sum it up from my memory of it.
What was it, like a month ago?
Only thnk to add was it created hundreds and hundreds of posts discussiong it in a few threads.
I remember the thread that Brian started to chastize the board, in which a bunch of people started arguing back about the merits and/or creepiness of interviewing HS kids. That was a dark time.
I miss chitownblue2. And Darkblue. DavidfromWyoming...well, he was a poster at one time, too.
The tragedy is that the popularity of the blog used to be dependent on the board community; and a lot of the guys who were recently banned are the same guys who popularized this blog.
Some of those guys infamously tried out blogging on their own, but their blog sucked; the irony being that Brian created the forum that they couldn't create themselves, which in and of itself drew a lot of bellyaching. But it was really those guys with their scathing destruction ofMgoBlog's early uninformed posters that provided the tragic comedy that guys like me came back to over and over again.
The recipe was basically this: Michigan plays a game, Brian posts a UFR, and some poster comes to mgoblog to voice a not-very-well thought out opinion; then, someone like Chitownblue eviscerates said poster with scathing sarcasm, and likely a good dose of ethos. As a result, the MgoBoard was basically a forum for people who liked to see the goofus beaten out by the gallant, with the role of gallant played by a nerdy/witty curmudgeon. It was so Michigan.
Then, at some point Brian decided he wanted to be a little more professional, and draw readership with recruiting, more focus on front-page material, and so he hired people to write front-page material instead of bumping diaries, etc. Part of that was highlighting recruiting in greater detail; there was a TomVH era; and that's when the scathing posters who were so much fun kind of abandoned ship. I think they found the analysis to be a little overdone.
Which isn't to say the Heikos and Seths and Ace Anbenders of MgoBlog aren't appeciated. I enjoy their writing and their efforts are typically well-received. This blog is its owner's livelihood, so there was always going to be a necessary evolution towards journalistic integrity (or at least feigned journalistic integrity). But, apparently, with that comes a dose of censorship. And therein lies the rub. But I think that's the evolution of any blog that moves from hanky fan pet-project towards a money-making enterprise like Rivals, Scout or ESPN.
I think the fall-out among the MgoCommenters illustrates a deeper problem relating to the front-office strategy and goals for the blog. It rings a bit unprofessional. The issue is, will MgoBlog take the next step to respected fan website, or will it remain a pet project and fan-blog in the perception of its frequent visitors? How that question is answered is going to be a product of Brian's professionalism.
MGoBlog is ripe for a session with some serious design, content and marketing consultants so it can take a leap it's been ready for, for quite some time. Instead, it sticks to an amateur's playbook, which when the amateurism of it all comes to the fore, is quite off-putting.
Brian's brand is the DIY aspect of the MGoBlog and his numbers are remarkable given this focus. For years he positioned MGoBlog analysis as, essentially, "not Mike Farrell".
This worked well when the community could police itself, when a neg bang killed donkeys, when the board was readable (it's a crapshoot now) and pre purge, sadly, while the content on the main page has improved the board gas trended to sub MLive levels.
my boy 909 dewey...
lilved together in that house back in 98-99, he hasn't come back... I would have just made another account but he had had enough...
1. Brian implied that he'd been contacted by the athletic department, which had seen or heard about the tweet. That no doubt changed the dynamic a bit.
2. Most of the "looks really young" comments were in the context of a discussion on the ethics of reporting on recruiting, especially younger recruits.
3. The recruit in question came onto the board to say that he'd re-read the thread understood what was being said and wasn't offended. He just thought it funny that someone would think he looked especially young (as you might expect for a football recruit, he's not exactly small for his age).
4. You might have thought that would have ended it, but hardly anyone even took notice.
OK, #4 wasn't exactly neutral. Sorry. But it occurs to me that that might have been the precise shark-jumping moment for me.
posters "bit the hand that feeds them" .... so to speak.
Yes..This was my "Moment"
MGoBrewMom posted an innocent comment about a potential recruit on one of Brandon Brown's threads (that's another issue all its own) saying that the kid looked young, comparing him to kids the age of her 12 year old daughter. Insanity ensued, people (Chitown) got banned for questioning the blogs' policy regarding contacting recruits, some other stuff happened.
The negativity, especially after the MSU game, was just unpleasant. I hate to imagine what a pussy program we'd still be if Burke hadn't made that shot against KU.
That's probably a good one. I never got how dark things were on the board that season given our success. Sucked to lose to PSU and Wisky though.
And I had no expectation of beating Kansas, so everything after the Trey was pure gravy for me.
After my collegiate experience with the b-ball team, I view just about all success as gravy. Listening to people bitch and moan because we're only a 4-seed and didn't win the conference title outright just takes the fun out of it.
Some time between the 2011 season and now...something happened. I'm not sure exactly what, but it hasn't been the same for me.
Eh, things got really nasty once the blog staff finally gave up on Rich Rod keeping his job (post Gator Bowl). Patience stopped being a virtue. I'm not saying turning against RR was a bad thing, just that up to that point there was pressure from above against being really nasty about the coaches.
Since then it's been open season. We got a brief respite the 11-2 year, but if you expect a sports blog to be calm after uncompetitive losses to rivals, you haven't spent much time on the internet.
when RR was fired, and we had a sudden invasion of "Hoke is so dreamy / Dick Rod only brought in shrimpy dreadlocked low discipline / academic recruits" types (which I swear was lead by the AD), then Brian went emo, the maleware board crashes removed the old positive and negative moderation system, for the confusing positives count only moderation system, and the board decended into full out sniping warfare. (A veiled, infighting sort of M-Live.)
I am sure Brian gets more clicks and comments now, but the content seems on balance, much less infromative, and man this place has been wearing on my soul (and others too, to the point that we need multiple drinking and snowflake threads).
I'd say the front page content is actually better - Seth and Ace are improving as writers, I like the Mathlete's additions, we have a presence at pressers, and we're getting a little of the recruiting interviews that we'd lost since TomVH left. Brian is also learning more about football and the "heart" of the site, the UFRs, are getting more sophisticated as a result. Nowhere else in the Michigan blogosphere can really offer all of that.
I'm not sure the comments have gotten much worse, but there do seem to be more people just posting without contributing - more "derpy" "Hoke is fat / DickRod" types, but also more people feeling the need to just bitch about how much they think the blog sucks. Also in the past Brian would shut things down for 24 hours after a loss, which seemed to help.
I too think the site's staff has gotten even better at what they do. The front page rocks.
Yes. What drew me in was the humor and wit that was prevalent on the board. Actually, I was a member of another site, and clicked on a thread that was linked to this site, and was so impressed that I created an account right away.
You're absolutely right, something happened around '11. IMO, it's not the negative nancies or trolls; we've always had those. In fact, some of them (KOB, Big House_500th) provided some memorable moments.
Perhaps the blog became too popular which isn't a bad thing, but it does increase
amount of potentially bad posters. We've also lost some pretty quality posters too, whether it was to life or professional obligations, or just stepping away. In spite of it all, this place is still leaps and bounds better than those hives of scum and villainy that shall remain unmentioned.
You are inviting a neg bang on yourself? Interesting strategy.
Waiting for comments to follow to prove your point?
actually I don't think anyone cares.
Oh I care. This place is absolutely unbearable after any loss. Guess what? Someone (or everyone) doesn't need to get fired after every loss. It's our of control. And I don't like being a part of it.
Exactly. Thank you.
Thank you. The malicious ignorance of the board is hard to stomach
The moderation system is like mgoblog's prefrontal cortex - it allows us to surpress our base, animalistic motivations with logic and willpower to generate appropriate behavior in the pursuit of long-term goals. Without it, we lose our impulse control and our behavior is emotional, unfiltered, and short-sighted.
Right after the negbomb old system went away. Now we have lots of posters with less than 50 points because they got the ban hammer with their other name.
With not a lot of points.
I would be happy to take my chances with the +/- point system though. Not only did it reward insight and humor (occasionally both), it also helped police the trolls.
It did help police the trolls, but for a while it seemed like nobody was willing to have any discussion either. The blog seemed to be nothing but gifs and pictures of cats and people saying whatever would get them upvotes instead of having honest discussions about football. Now that it doesn't matter what your opinion is the discussion has come back full force, but sadly the trolls have too.
someone else has the same memory of the "good old days" of up/downvoting as I do. I'm not sure why so many people think the voting system magically brought about all sorts of insightful comments and stopped dumb people from posting dumb things. At best, you could move more quickly past the downvoted posts, but then you'd have to agree with the masses about what deserved to be downvoted.
Newsflash: it's brutal around here after a bad loss. It has ever been thus . . . .
But I think we all know when the boards "jumped the shark" for me. That said, still love the vast majority of the front page content. Think Brian writes a lot of great stuff. Think Seth is the most underrated poster here, as he gets into the X's and O's in depth, and does things that are extremely objective as far as stats go. I think Ace does a very good job covering the material he covers, and says exactly what he needs to say and relays the info that is important as far as recruiting, and Heiko does a great job with the press conference stuff (people saying that Heiko or other reporters need to grow some balls and ask hard hitting questions don't understand how those questions will lead to you getting zero access to the program, there is no upside there).
So all and all, great staff, great front page stuff, comments are sub-standard.
The board may be a morass, but posters like you improve it.
The reporters thing is the biggest thing the majority of fans don't understand. Its not court. No one is under oath. So if you ask a good hard question, they don't have to answer it. And the other reporters aren't going to give you some sort of "good question bro!" high-five after. But what will happen, is the SID and coach will remember you being a dick and putting the coach and the program on the spot and either deny you credentials (they don't have to give them to you. People get denied all the time) or deny you access/opportunities for interviews with players/coaches down the line.
The time for hard questions is in a one-on-one interview. Not in a press conference.
Yeah, ask a tough question and you'll not only still get a crappy answer, but you'll end up covering the game from the John U. Bacon memorial press box (a porta john on the golf course).
I'm betting my clicks are about a tenth of what they were. It has pretty much been a gradual slide, accelerated by incidents that have already been mentioned multiple times and one of my pet outrages. I generally look at the front page, look at the board and read perhaps one out of ten posts. Given my age, a lot of things look young. My fingers tremble with trepidation every time I take to the keyboard.The more important detail, to my way of thinking, is that it doesn't bother me as much today as it did earlier in the year.
the issue is bigger than the Board. The issue is social media in general, sports related or otherwise. The Board is a feast of negativity and false bravado. It is a place where it does matter what you say, it now only matters how you say it. Casual conversation is a thing of the past, now every discussion must have a "winner" and "loser." It is basically this country in a microcosm, socially and politcally. People have settled on one thing, they disagree, even to the extent of using other peoples statements only to form their own, while giving no thought at all to the substance of what is said. It is important for the rational people remaining on this site to continue posting in the hope that this place can again resemble what it used to be at one time.
I've been on here forever and rarely comment anymore because of all the snarky comments, sophmoric behavior and general rudness. Most of the posts leading up to the MSU game where about how they weren't any good or hadn't played anyone. When there were any posts/comments that gave them credit for being 6-1 (like Michigan) that person was destroyed by asinine and nasty comments. Why? Because it's easy to tear someone down behind the security of a digital avatar. I agree with you about how there must be a winner and loser and there is no place for common ground. If you are a masochist go read the comments on the politcal boards of each side and you will see nothing but intolerance and hatred for the opposing side while ignoring the issue. I also believe social media makes much easier to succumb to groupthink since you can choose the amount of exposure to opposing veiws.
The shark jumping moment for me was when the discussion came up about student attendance at football games and one commentor mentioned they make it from Dearborn. They were ridiculed by multiple members (all joined after 2011) because they just went to a satellite campus and were not real students. That really annoyed me since I never missed a game in the three years I had tickets (2005-2007) and I went to Michigan-Flint. From that moment on I have rarely participated in the discussion board because so many on here just lack any level of decorum.
that for all the "Make it OT", "you misspelled looser [sic] or your grammar is incorrect", "this was already posted, or shouldn't be" crap we complain about now, it was far worse before. This is why I post a new topic on the board, and have considered and even drafted diaries and decided not to post them.
So there was some snarky shit before - just in a different nature.
why are you posting here?
Says board is unreadable. Writes a post on the board.
LOL. Read the disclaimer.
Unfortunately, my never read the comments policy for the rest of the internet has to apply here as well.
I was a reader long before I actually had an account and I usually refrain from commenting for the most part. The knowldge and insight on this board was fantastic in 2010 it seems to me that ever since Bacon mentioned the blog in "3 and Out" things have gone to shit.
I look for usernames I recognize and mostly read only their comments. This isn't fair to new posters, but I have to do it for my own mental health.
Another thought: I think you can - speaking very generally - tell the difference between those of us who endured the RR years on the blog and those who didn't. I think the former group is more tempered in their reactions to Michigan's current problems...though maybe I'm making that up.
Wow. I subconsciously have done the same thing since the voting system blew up. It's a lot less enjoyable around here for sure. I never brought much to the board other than some humor but its been hard to be funny lately.
I endured the RR years and it didn't make me more tempered. If anything it pissed me off and I think Hoke should be treated the same even to the detriment of the program - as bad as that sounds. The treatment of RR by the DB cast, in my opinion, was very deeply troubling (as "deeply troubling" as a sports like substance can be in my life - which is not very). It just really pissed me off. It really felt to me like we were the "seat's taken" type of crowd on the bus to the new kid.
The Meyer success doesn't help at all.
I think I may need to just take a break from allowing sports to drive my emotions. I need to enjoy my weekends again.
Agreed plus 1000
My opinion of the Michigan football program changed for the worse due to the treatment he received. It disgusts me to think of it even now. I don't think we (to the extent that people on a blog control things, which is laughably little) should visit that treatment on Hoke, though. That sad fact is this: To make it worth replacing Hoke, Michigan would have to find a guy who is a sharper football mind, someone with Midwestern recruiting ties (or someone capable of making them quickly), and someone whom alumni and former players/coaches would accept...Terribly, that last requirement may well be the hardest. Michigan football is about as inbred as the Habsburgs, and apparently there will always be many people ready to stab you in the back unless you coached for Bo or for someone who coached for Bo, speak with non-regional diction, and want to run a pro-style offense.
I think we all need to take a step back as far as how much Michigan's teams affect our weekends. It's something I'm working hard on myself.
the wife of the coach needs to dress and wear her hair in an acceptable fashion.
Thinking about the crap that the Rodriguez's took for using words like "ain't" or having the wrong hair or making nacho dip makes me want to root for another team - or burn down an ivory tower.
I come here to relax. I actually found forming and presenting arguments regarding which coach or coaches' feet to lay the blame for this year's lost season relaxing and interesting after a busy, hard-working week with considerably higher stakes than a football result.
In high school and my early young adult years football was essentially one of the most important things in my relatively meaningless life. Even when I felt I had "matured" in my early 20s a tough loss would be hard to take.
I still cherish watching a Michigan game on a Saturday afternoon, and I enjoy thinking about and discussing the team, but this is only a diversion from weightier matters for me. One of the best things about posting here is that what I say, and what we are talking about, doesn't really matter at all.
As far as replacing Hoke, the cart is waaaaay before the horse here. At worst a staff shake-up is in order, and Hoke has shown the ability to attract good talent. I agree that RR was treated poorly here, and I disliked how much grief he got before he really deserved to get it.
But he was fired after three years because of what happened on the field, and Hoke's record isn't even remotely comparable. If RR had won, he would have been embraced, just as all winners are. Any outsider can come in and succeed at Michigan if they win.
firm ground to stand on when it is constantly being undermined.
Wholly cosign, Dudeness. You just expressed a feeling I've been trying to put my finger on, and far better than I could've.
I want to be in the club where we enjoy our weekends because we are living our own lives--not so thouroughly through the success/failure of our football team and what every "Joe Blow" says or if they disagree or not.
That's what the recent meltdowns have done for me.
Then I noticed that people who's opinions i respected were posting less and less. The signal to noise ratio started going downhill quickly. Now I don't visit the Mgoboard unless I'm looking for own-fanbase schadenfreude.
The board doesn't know if it wants to be a place for srs discussion, or the RCMB. This in-between stage isn't working.
Also super annoying: posting links that were 3 days old, asking questions about where to watch Michigan football because you were at a family reunion/wedding/secret cabal meeting in New Location when you could simply google within the blog, and the dog thing. Never forget.
THANKS A LOT, OBAMA
So I am curious. How does this not equal a political statement? The entire point of this internet meme is to minmize the opinion of those who dislike Obama's politics. It would have been the same as republicans saying "Don't worry, it's Bush's fault while mocking the other side."
I responded to a comment about Rich Rod on Saturday night, and stated now was not the time to relive that again and ended up in Bolivia with -8500 points. Touchy, touchy people.
first few comments on the Board to get a sense of where a thread is headed. But, I have generally skipped 80+% of the Board posts during this football season.
If it were my blog, I would have suspended Board posts until the tech issues are resolved that permit user mods. The Board is now becoming a liability to MGoBlog and reducing the brand equity Brian, Seth, Ace, et al have built.
But also understand that this is Brian's living here. Suspending the comments or board posts would have drastically cut down the number of hits and other such things. I really just don't think it's a realistic or viable option for Brian. So I wouldn't fault him in any way for not cutting down the boards for the season.
large business I built from a concept into a viable, sustainable enterprise. One of the most difficult decisions I had to make was to walk away from a client and contract that was very lucrative in the short term, but potentially a drag on our brand equity over time.
Brian is a very smart and capable entrepreneur, he just needs to make sure he doesn't let his brand get away from him before it is too late to recover it.
And you have to look at short-term compared to long-term success. In this situation though, I don't see how walking away from so many clients (clicks) would overall be beneficial to him, especially when there are many, many other blogs/boards where fans can go. They may not migrate back if they have no place here.
Just to play devil's advocate, what if all of the posters like you start moving to other sites instead of posting here and then they don't come back. Then, the site is left with the people you were complaining about. Not only is he losing page clicks, but the overall quality of comments declines.
I never think you're going to lose significant value from losing just one member. So if I left, I don't think the value lost would be significant. Now, if a bunch of good posters left, yeah, the board quality would go down, but would that stop the majority of posters from still coming here, clicking the site, commenting on things, I don't think the a degree that would have a significant affect on the sites numbers.
I do agree that there is a balance that you need to look at and how you want this board to look/act. I just don't really see that tipping point being "some people leave". It would have to be a mass exodus. IMO, the easiest way to start a mass exodus would be to shut down the boards entirely.
I'm not arguing your overall point, as I agree with it. I just don't see where Brian could personally benefit from shutting things down rather than only risking to lose some posters. Just trying to put myself in Brian's shoes, if some quality posters said "we're out of here!", I would probably say "well that's unfortunate, oh well".
You, at least, have some understanding of the difficult decisions a "person in charge" has to make. There's a lot of angst about Brian's blowup over the recruit comments. I see both sides of it--Brian can be a bit harsh about disagreement, after all. But he also has larger things in consideration, like the problems that could arise if this board got a large, mlive-ish reputation for bashing recruits and the implications that could have on its relationship with the football program.
Part of the problem is that the issues being griped about here are really no different than the rest of the internet.
...except that there wasn't actually any recruit-bashing, and the recruit in question came onto the board to say he'd re-read the thread, realized no offense was meant so none was taken and everything was cool.
If it was concern about a recruit feeling bashed, that would have ended it, but it went on like nothing had happened, because the real issue for both sides was elsewhere.
From my experience, user self-moderation only works when the mob is on the side of peace and sanity. Right now, the mob is decidedly in Torch and Pitchfork territory.
allows you to avoid trolls and garbage very rapidly.
I also like gallows humor and some of the Board's best work has come during times when things weren't exactly going well for the team. We had plenty during the GERG tenure. This year, it just seem like our bitterness as a fanbase had a different, meaner tone.
This year, it just seem like our bitterness as a fanbase had a different, meaner tone.
As a longtime poster, I have to confess that the tone of the board has lead me to just avoid it for those weeks following bad losses like Penn State and then Saturday's debacle. The endless, mindless whining and finger pointing and whatnot just leaves me numb.
Can Da'Shawn Hand just commit to Michigan already and pick up everyone's spirits?
Very true. Up until this weekend I felt like "innocent" people get hammered by self-moderation point system and stifles their posts but now I think that people need to get blasted, at least after losses like this last one. Fewer threads after losses are better than this crap, IMHO.
No self-moderation system is going to be perfect, but if each poster was given only a limited number of negs to parcel out per day (plus have each neg cost posters a point, as was once the case), then I think that would cut down dramatically on the number of cases of "innocent" people getting hammered.
One thing I'm really tired of whenever this topic comes up are the many people who just laugh off the concerns about the state of the board, saying, this is the Internet, what do you expect? That attitude is part of the problem, because this board used to be moderated (both by the posters and the mods themselves) to be better than the average board. Part of the reason this board has jumped the shark for me is the increasing presence of people who simply don't care about the level of discourse here.
you can't speculate that just because the football program is underperforming, and that people are frustrated that tthis place would only get worse with user moderation.
I was here for the end of the Carr era, as well as RR's, they wer'nt often pretty, but the boards had a crude self-regulating conciousness.
We are in wild west territory here now, and things are already frustrating because no feels they are as invested without the smidgeon of power that moderation gives us.
Right now our options as board members are one of two choices:
1. have the time, & energy to get into a discussion about a board post we either like or dislike. or
2. Ignore it completely. (which can often be misinterpreted as tacit approval)
The 3rd option of simply voting up or down sent a quick easy message to other posters that they were either supported, or disagreed with and why?
Serious breeches of conduct were also swiftly corrected without always needing a ban hammer.
I was never a particularly useful board member, but since the season has started I've cut my visits in half, and my posting by 90%. Only a part of it has to do with the football team.
But as a mod during many trying times (including the late RR years, which were... yeah), I can tell you that the self-regulating consciousness had to be backed by serious moderation from on high. Now, I will say that the blithering bullshit was better labeled, which certainly helped. But people see it as a panacea, but we could bring back voting today (actually, we can't, but IF we could), it wouldn't make much of a difference in holding back the tide.
I'd NEVER advocte a moderator-free board, that's insane.
But let people have a bit of ownership & responsibility for what they do & say around here and it would help immensely. Would it completely stop post bed-shit meltdowns? Of couse not, but this blog wouldn't be swinging to such extremes and would bounce back to sanity faster IMO.
Are you saying now for the record that comments can't/wont ever be user moderated again? This is the first I've heard of this and it's alarming.
User voting can and will return. We just can't do it instantly.
Some people seem under the impression it's basically a switch that Brian has just chosen not to flip. They tried, and failed, to revive the necessary module in Drupal, but it looks like it'll have to wait for the total site revamp/upgrade to the next version of Drupal.
I don't think the vocal mob is indicative of the overall board readership. I think most lurkers want to stay-the-course, but the self-moderation feature most lurkers used to contribute their viewpoint is now gone.
And I would wager that # of lurkers > # of posters.
Or require all new threads to be approved by a mod before they are published
From the pot black.
This MSU game may have been the straw that broke the camel's back for me. I step away for a few days ever now and then, but man, the aftermath of this game, and really the whole season leading up to this, has broken me. I checked in yesterday to look at threads and see if there was anything interesting discussed, and man, I was disgusted. I'll still be checking for front page content, but I need to re-assess my need for the message board and comments in general.
This is by no means isolates to MGoBlog either. Other message boards are equally as frustrating and depressing.
It's funny because many posters at the beginning of the season predicted at the very best an 11-1 season with a 6-6 season at the very worst. The mode of the predictions was 9-3. Michigan is right on pace for that 9-3 and yet the sky is falling. The doom and gloom is really making the forums tough to read.
I agree Borges and Funk need to go after the season. If they stay on the staff for next year THEN the sky will start to fall.
Michigan has young talent on this team and seniors and juniors in high school that are going to make this program strong for years to come. I'm weathering the storm. And praying for a new offensive staff.
Where is all this young talent people keep talking about? If we had a lot of it, this team would be really good. Especially on the offensive side of the ball, it just isn't there, even when you take youth into account.
In the last coach's 3rd year here, the QB he recruited ran for over 1,700 yards. The RBs he recruited posted 1,241 yards at 4.8 ypc (with Fitz hurt most of the season). The three QBs he recruited combined for 3,252 passing yards. Omameh was showing up in the highlight reel blocking Te'o downfield and Lewan was a freshman All-American. Roy Roundtree led the team in receiving and was (I believe) 3rd among all conference receivers.
This year, Derrick Green is averaging 3.3 ypc, Norfleet has run the ball four times, and nobody else has a meaningful carry. All our future QB eggs are in the Shane Morris basket, it would seem, and who knows how that will go. Kalis (who supposedly was close to playing last year, was a college ready prospect, and the kind of guy we'd build the team around going forward) and Bryant (who supposedly would have started last year if not for injury and was the prototype road grader we'd be bringing in from now on, according to the staff) were behind two walk-ons by midseason, then were replaced in the starting lineup by a true freshman and a 280 pound guard.
If we were getting anything on offense from all this young talent besides Devin Funchess being awesome and Jake Butt maybe not being terrible at blocking, we're talking about a solid BCS bowl team. Instead many folks are just hoping to avoid a collapse and don't feel too optimistic about what this team will look like without Lewan, Schofield, Fitz, Gallon, etc.
To be fair, it's not just the record that have people frustrated. It's the actual play on the field. Yeah, the team is 6-2, but it's more how they ended up there.
Plus, I'm not sure everyone would agree that they are on pace for 9-3, with Nebraska, NW, and OSU all left on the docket.
After a goal line stand to win the game against Akron (3-7) and the 3 point win against a winless UConn it feels a worse than the record shows. If not for two of the worst teams in the FBS the record could very well be 4-4 and not 6-2. Yes, I realize had one play swung the other way against PSU things would be better but Penn State had no business being in that game. Our boys were lucky against bad teams but that kind of play will get exposed against average or better teams like Saturday.
Last year wasn't much different for me given how fortunate the outcomes against Northwestern (hail mary and OT) and MSU (last second, 40 yard FG). Had those two plays gone the other way the record we would have been staring at 6-6 record and a full on meltdown.
Northwestern and Nebraska look very beatable. Neither team has much of a defense and their offenses look pretty ordinary as well. Of course given the current trajectory of things it wouldn't surprise me in the least for them to put forth their best efforts of the season on both sides of the ball and defeat Michigan soundly.
For me, though, of the three teams that Michigan would conceivably defeat to get to nine victories (OSU excluded, obv), Iowa is the one that is most worrisome. Michigan has played very poorly there the past couple of trips and hasn't shown an ability to win on the road in any kind of hostile environment under Hoke (NW and Illinois do not count).
2-2 or even 1-3 seem very possible. And really, I think 3-1 still is, too.
Personally, I have zero predictions about the rest of the season (aside from OSU looking more and more like an inevitable slaughter). I think Nebraska, NW, and Iowa are a total crapshoot; Michigan could beat any one of them or lose to any one of them, close or ugly. I have no idea what to expect from the team going forward. Anything from 3-1 to 0-4 seems equally possible in my mind.
I know we are literally on pace for a 9-3 record right now, but I think anyone who has watched U of M the past 8 games thinks 8-4 is the most likely record, with 7-5 as the second most likely. I think 6-6 and 9-3 are in a toss-up for third (with 10-2 coming in a distant 5th). Either 8-4 or 7-5, especially considering that the B1G is even worse than we thought (and we don't play Wisky), is quite a disappointment and another step back from last year (where at least the 8-4 regular season included losses to the natl champion and the natl champion runner-up). All 8-4's aren't created equal.
Also, I hope everyone's right about the young talent, but some early signs have been worrisome. Perhaps I'm putting too much on Derrick Green, but if there is one position you'd think the #1 player could come in and contribute quite a bit, it's at RB. And it just hasn't happened. Not to mention the young OL (which I fully understand is young, so I wasn't expecting much, but this has been below that).
All that said, I'm with you on praying for a shake-up in the offensive coaches and that the talent develops, so 2014 is at least on the upswing (i.e. a solid 9-3 or better). If not...whoo boy.
after a loss. After the game I turn to netflix or something like pawnstars where I have no chance at dealing with the game (I think this is denial?). I then slowly immerse myself back to Mgoblog, starting with frontpage, then diaries, then the board and comments. There have been way worse times.
In fact, my least favorite time on the blog was when the blog got into a civil war over comments over the recruits. I can say, that was easily the least enjoyable the blog has ever been, and am glad we are back to complaining about football.
That's what is kind of sad - this used to be a place to come for refuge after a tough beat. Nowadays I can't stand the thought of checking the board after a loss.
We read UFR after a loss because we don't want bitching or insane excuses or optimism - we want to dissect and understand what happened. The board can be a wonderful early glimpse of that, with informed thoughts on the possible culprits (schematic, personnel, etc). Now it's just bitching.
Snark is its own valid form of board moderation, but it gets to a point where it's snark for snarks' sake. And argument becomes noise.
It did used to be you could come someplace "Everyone knew your name" and have the same feelings. Understand the excitement of Muppets! or feel like misery when the rest of your family is saying "it's just a game." But now coming here after a lose, and frankly, most wins, just makes one feel WORSE.
After a game I could surf all night here while watching other games. Saturday night I took a couple of peeks and pointed out a few trolls but stayed off mostly the last two days.
It's important to remember : after jumping the shark, the show was number one for 5 more years
— Henry Winkler (@hwinkler4real) October 25, 2013
...but it occurred to me that I don't laugh very much anymore. Afterall, it's just football from the ol' alma mater. Yes, I take it too seriously, but it's still supposed to be fun and a diversion from what's really important. So, on the blog, I miss stuff like J.Hackney and Watersdemos that didn't really have a lot to do with football but were interesting and/or funny. Or Blueseoul's breakdowns that were hilarious, even when I was too much of a football dummy to understand the nuance.
That was a longwinded way of saying it's just too goddamn serious these days and the negativity ruins things for me.
recaps. Those were always my favorite.
I think Ace does a decent job in adding humor to the recap.
Over/under on how many years it will be before we elect a pro wrestler for president and our biggest concerns are crops and trash avalanche's?
Jumped when Haloscan liveblogs went away.
That felt good.
The problem isn't decreased good posts, it's increased bad posts. Without neg/pos bangs and any moderation system there's nothing to keep shit from piling up, which it has. Bring back a self moderating system and everything is fixed. Until then any jackoff can post crap which 10 other people call crap and all of the sudden you have 50 posts of worthless garbage overcrowding a few good posts.
Maybe true, but I definitely don't laugh while reading the MGoBoard nearly as much as I used to. Maybe its becuase i spend more time sifting through garbage.
If I could filter out all the crap (read: need moderation and neg-bangs back), I'd be much more involved on the board. Ever since that went away, I've been participating (and reading) it less and less. I guess that's a good thing for my productivity.
I gave up once haloscan was eliminated....
I kinda miss haloscan, actually . . . ..
but I noticed that civil discourse seemed to be fading away during hoops season. It's just been enhanced since the PSU game. I'll still take this site over reading the comments on Freep or DetNews (never been an Mlive guy) because there are still more informed posters here than those other places. I just know my kids can't peek at my screen after we lose or else their language will be quite coloful in school the next week.
Some people need to handle a little adversity better. Preseason predictions of the team became true. Some people are victims of their own homerism and rose colored glasses.
Back in 1987, a group of U of M students who were cast members and writers of the campus sketch comedy group, the Comedy Company, were hanging out in a house on South Division, watching TV and brainstorming comedy bits, when one of them observed that you always know the "yeoman first class" characters on Star Trek wearing the red uniforms were going to be the first ones down on the new planet and the first ones to die there. This led to a discussion of other TV patterns, which led to a discussion of when you knew a TV show was headed downhill, which led to the consensus that the classic TV show-going-downhill moment was the Happy Days episode when Fonzie jumped the shark, which led to a sketch on this general premise, which led to the group using the jump the shark phrase as a running joke, which led to one of the group members later creating a Jump the Shark website, once the Internets were born, which led to the phrase going viral. Which led to message boards full of hysterical, irrational, throw-out-the-baby-with-the-bathwater negativity.
Which led to John Hein getting paid a sh-tload of money for rights to the jumptheshark.com website and ending up on the Howard Stern show.
Now this is the kind of post that reminds me of one of the reasons I've enjoyed participating here ever since I first discovered the blog. It's intelligent, relevant, and I learned something to boot.
(but not wearing a red shirt.)
I think a lot of Michigan fans have had their bubbles burst over the last five years.
The beloved Lloyd Carr was willing to sacrifice five to seven years of Michigan football because he was angry that he couldn't name his successor. A large portion of the fanbase revealed itself to be no better than anyone else's fanbase.
Fans who wanted a return to "Michigan Football" as coached by Carr are getting exactly that: 3 or 4 losses a year. For some reason, it isn't good enough for many this time. Making things worse is that Ohio State has the longest undefeated streak in D-1 right now using the offense that "won't work in the Big Ten" while Michigan struggles with its offense. Never mind that Michigan is still rebuilding personnel back to an elite level; they look really bad compared to Ohio State right now.
If that wasn't bad enough, getting slapped around by Sparty may be the worst development of the last six years. The team and fanbase that hates the Wolverines the most are having their way and gloating for all they are worth.
Michigan fans could fall back on tradition, but David Brandon is proving that money means a lot more to him than tradition.
If any entity involved has "jumped the shark," it's the program. For me, it's sorta "full circle." I started following in 1960 as a kid. Now the program is sorta like it was in the 1960's: a sleeping giant trying to wake up.
The good news is that the program always comes back from periods like this one. When it does, the quality of posting will take care of itself. I think 2015 will be the year.
Excuse my ignorance, but I thought Carr wanted to retire a year or two before he did, but Martin essentially begged him to stay on a little bit longer.
...but he did name his successor. Rodriguez was his idea.
All that stuff's kind of hard to integrate into the mgonarrative, though, so it mostly gets ignored.
The Penn State game was the start of it, really. But this weekend's game has taken it overboard. I've seen too many idiotic opinions, ideas, etc (fire the "DL coach" ?!?) on the comments/board as of late and its frustrating.
The fact of the matter is that it is one game. Yes, it sucked, and yes, it is worrisome. But there are still games to be played. We could even beat OSU, believe it or not.
I think it was when I saw the "Is Devin Gardner a QB?" thread. It's hard to point to that as the main thing, though, because it has been a steady decline for a long time.
This isn't an issue with user moderation either as those posts will still get posted, they'll just get negbanged and eventually disappear. I think the main issue is that this board is such a hive mind. Anything that Brian says is taken as gospel and any alternative points of view are looked at as inferior.
Honestly, though, the first time that I started avoiding this site a bit was after Brian openly criticized Lloyd Carr about what was written in Third and Long (which he then had to openly apologize for). After that, it had something to do with Brady Hoke's hire. After that it was his criticism of Al Borges, then it was Brian threatening to ban anyone that made an apt observation about a recruit. Basically, anytime that he gets a rant going and sticks to it, not only does his opinion become almost unreadable to me, but so does the board because it becomes a giant echo chamber.
This site is the best site for news, facts, and analysis specifically related to the games so I still check in. Beyond that, the opinions have become so enflamed that it is worthless for me to even attempt to read this board. I still read the front page for information, but I skim pretty much anything opinion-related from Brian nowadays.
So your argument for this being a hive mind is a post about how Gardner is not capable of being a QB, something Brian has never questioned?
"This is a hive mind" is such a lazy (and demonstrably false) argument. The vitriol against the coaches is going far beyond what Brian has stated. I guess you could say "Brian thinking Borges isn't very good emboldens posters to think that 'Borges is a lousy fat fuck' is a worthwhile post" but ultimately people are deciding for themselves to be asses.
But ultimately Brian needs to post what he believes and do so with sound analysis, and he generally does. The blog would be worse if he censored himself for the sake of not enabling a few jerks.
I'm certainly not the poster child for clean language, but the stuff that used to get instantly negged were posts like you mention (noting our OC's resemblance to an Addam's Family cast member, with no additional thought/analysis, for example).
It seems like more of that was allowed to take place with respect to Greg Robinson (with the tacit endorsement of the front page a lot of times) and now has pervaded the board to a pretty strong extent.
That thread and the hive mind issue are separate points. The former was in reference to where the board jumped the shark, the specific question on hand. The latter was in reference to what I think has caused the board to tank so hard over the last few years. They are related in the sense that they both are issues on the board, but they are independent issues unless you consider that the general hive mind of the board has led to general dumbassery of the board as well. I wasn't making that connection, but you can feel free to if you'd like.
I mostly just disagree that there's a hive mind, and if there is, that it's the problem.
There are a lot of "respectfully disagree" posters on the board who add to the discussion. Space Coyote is the most high profile lately but there are others. Even in the RR days, people who criticized the coaching with real arguments (and there were several) were left alone by Brian and the mods.
But I'm annoyed by the implication that "most people agree with Brian" = hive mind = the board has tanked. There are a lot of posters who agree or mostly agree with the front page content who still bring in interesting opinions/data/arguments/what have you.
The measure of a quality poster is not "disagrees with Brian", it's "constructively contributes to the discussion". That we've had less of that is mostly to do with general dumbassery.
Consider that in the RR years, most of the dumbassery was aligned against RR, and therefore against Brian, who held out hope longer than most. The dumbassery is still mostly anti-coach (mobs are almost always anti-coach), it's just that now Brian is also skeptical of the staff so you're calling it a "hive mind". That's odd when it's not the mind realigning to lock step with the blog host, but the blog host changing his opinion to something more in line with the mob.
I have been reading this blog for 6+ years and I only started posting a couple of months ago. Now I regret it. No one care about my thoughts or e-pinions - they just want me to approve of theirs. Plus many times they are better at putting thought to post than I ever will…
I think the blog content is still top notch and the comments (though I may disagree with many of them), are often informative and many times downright hilarious.
Everyone just needs to take the comments, posts et al with a grain of salt.
FWIW, I feel the board has become more jaded, divisive and combative but that comes with the territory with anything like this. It’s a victim of its own success. Once something becomes popular with the masses - it always changes and often times not for the better. Think about any other media or social outlets and how they have changed (many times for the worse) over time as more and more people (and their personalities) have become involved in them.
It's a fine line the staff has to walk between keeping things civil amongst the masses without stifling the free exchange of ideas and opinions. I personally think they have done a good job given their resources and the circumstances.
It will get better with time. I have faith in this blog's readership. The pendulum will swing the other direction and eventually equilibrium will be achieved. In the meantime, sit back and enjoy the conversations!
that I am a big fan and love your work. How's Stewie these days?
Stewie is doing quiite fine - better than us.
Seems his time machine has malfunctioned and he is stuck in January 2, 2008. He's very happy about the Capital One bowl win over the Fighting Tebows of Florida.
Brian tells me he really has high hopes for this Rodriguez guy from WVU. He thinks he is the shot in the arm this program needs.
I haven't had the heart to break it to him yet....
I fear the day when he gets it fixed and returns to our present. Things could get ugly in the Griffin household.
I still read them and obviously still post as well.
Does that make me Fonzie, the shark or Mr Cunningham? Help me here Cooper Lily.
The overly negative posts seem to come from folks who haven't posted a lot recently. Whether they are trolls or fans that tend to come here just when they're upset, I can't say. But I'm pretty damned sure 80% are the former.
I'd honestly be interested in an alternate forum with a lot tighter control on the negativity. Does one exist?
Someone who has been around for the highs and lows, you at least give them a chance at what they're saying. But there's a big number of "I have posted for 30 weeks, 51 weeks, 2 years but now I have some ammo for the stuff that would have gotten laughed off the boards before, so I'm BAAACCCKKKKK!!!!" posters. The "would rather be right than Michigan be good" wing. But even they can be taken with a grain of salt if they weren't cowardly about it and posted their "I told you so views" after we were going 11-2 or something.
The one constant with MGoBlog: people complaining about how much the comments have gone downhill. I wonder when was this golden time when comments didn't suck. Probably back with haloscan on the blogspot page.
Quite true. I can't remember a time that I've been reading (which I started doing in the early RR years) that people haven't complained about the decline from the "good ole days."
And, frankly, this is a net-archetypical phenomenon. Back when I was involved with a small Ann Arbor internet service called grex.cyberspace.org in the early 90s, the "oldbies" in 94-95 used to complain about how things weren't great like they were in 92-93. And folks like me in '98 lamented the passing of the "good ole days" in 1996.
Nothing new here.
The MGoBoard was a physical corkboard in South Quad. People used sticky notes. It was incredibly civil, other than the... anatomically correct drawings.
And those anatomically incorrect drawings. Followed by a few increasingly awkward sticky notes, used to explain "how things work".
2013 for me.
When ProfitGoBlue went from being a mod to being CooperLily?
I've been an avid reader since the Carr days. There used to be a high rate of content and a moderate rate of opinion and OT posts. That's flipped. Too much regurgitated opinion. Also, the board has gotten very clique. A lot of inside jokes. When the "blank night" drinking threads get started? Why the posbangs? Let's keep this a place to talk Michigan sports. And if you have a complaint, propose a solution instead of being 100% negative.
Bring back the old system, voting on various posts. IMO that will solve quite a bit.
This is a big problem for Brian and Seth. They basically promised that they would return this summer but have yet to materialize. I am not criticising as I know nothing about netcode or websites but I humbly submit that the promise should not have been made or a statement should be made as to a timeline to temper expectations.
At this point, I'm assuming the self-moderation is not coming back and the Board is just going to be littered with neg-able (but not ban-able) comments that go unpunished.
I think what makes the blog unreadable is all the bitching about the blog. Especially the replies stating that this post has been posted before. Redundant posts are going to happen, get over it. Posts that you don't like are going to happen, get over it. All the carping about what you don't like about the board is useless and unnecessary.
Pssssst! *whispering* This was supposed to be a fun break from the other crap threads. Sit back and enjoy the ride!
Haha, arguments about what is and is not OT are probably the most worthless exchanges on the board. Not whether or not the post is worthwhile, mind you, literally whether or not you should have put "OT" in your title.
....I can't be the only one here who misses the Haloscan days!
At some point this year it jumped. There is just way too much hatred, vitriol, and personal attacks made against coaches and players. These are human beings that are out there giving their best (for the most part) and are trying to win for the University of Michigan. Sometimes their best just isn't enough and sometimes we may not agree with the strategy employed -- but that is no reason to lash out at a 18 - 22 yr old kid that pours his heart out for Michigan football. This doesn't mean that we can't advocate for firing / benching a coach or player, but there is just no need for personal attacks. I was disgusted to read all the awful comments during the last few weeks that suggest that our players are weak, lack toughness, aren't trying hard, etc.
We all need a general rule of thumb before posting that is as follows -- if you can't say it to someone's face, you shouldn't say it about them anonymously through the internet. (As an aside, we should all employ this strategy with respect to what we say to other drivers on the road -- think about it)
It ebbs and flows for me. This board gets angry and stupid a lot. There aren't single instances, I just realize (usually too late, after a couple of prolonged stupid arguments) that things haven gotten idiotic and it's time to abandon ship. I'll keep an eye on things and wade back into posting as things calm down a bit.
I'm guessing it's going to be more go than touch the rest of the season.
(How many mixed metaphors did I manage to squeeze in there? Like three in as many sentences?)
For me it was in the aftermath of the Process, Part II. There was absolutely no tolerance for even a slightly different viewpoint / criticism valid or not was smothered with terrible rhetoric. Even good posters were serious assholes at that time. You can see it today.
Negbangs need to come back like whoa. I understand the need/desrie to limit their magnitude becuase some reasonable comments get sent to Bolivia for no reason other than the fact that they are not mainstream opinions.
Posbangs should be unlimited.
Some people on this board think its their own special, secret club. They forget that it's the internet, this blog is free, and this school has a ton of fans.
If I could change one thing on this board it would be to ban people who write on this board for the sole purpose of saying that the board sucks or that whatever post they are replying to sucks, or to correct spelling or grammer, etc... This is a college football blog, not the Skull and Bones. It's amazing how many people post on this board to say how bad it is or to chastise someone's post for not being up to their standards. If MGoBlog is so terrible, go start your own blog and run it however you want. Clearly, it would be better than this.
True? OR people could stop expressing their sh-tty opinions and avoid getting chastised for having/posting that sh-tty opinion. Just another way of looking at it.
Things have not been great this season and I take solace in the fact that other people share my pain. I often watch the game with the MGoCommunity (via MGoBlog) and it makes me feel better to know that I'm not the only person who wants to fist fight Al Borges during the game or that other people's heads are also about to explode. I don't post these things for fear of regretting it later, but I enjoy it that some people do. You may not agree with this, but that's like, your opinion, man. And that's okay, too.
See, by your statement you are the exact kind of poster that used to make the Board comments valuable. However, for every 1 of you there are 3 that choose to post their fist-fight Borges opinions which like, suck, man.
When I'm watching that game, swearing up a storm and thinking about throwing my TV through the window, I like seeing random, angry comments from people thinking the same thing. It's really only during the game and right after, when everyone is still on their emotional rush that things get crazy, and that's exactly why I love watching college football.
I guess my point is that some people take this blog too seriously. I'm on MGoBlog several times a day and admit that my GF thinks I'm a little too involved, but I am just looking for new content regarding my favorite team. Sometimes it's a little dumb, but so are a lot of things I discuss with friends at work just to get through the day. For instance, name three 80's sitcom characters that you'd like to date: in order of most desirable to least and give an explanation for each. Or, who would you rather fight, Clubber Lang (Rocky III) or Ivan Drago (Rocky IV) and why. I Dream of Genie or Bewitched? Perhaps, I'm just not as smart as everyone else on this board. Maybe, I'm just a child. Or maybe some people on here are a little too invested in this.
This blog is my entertainment. Sometimes I learn things from it, and that's cool. Other times, I just use it to get my mind off of real life and just want to read about my team in some capacity. I doubt anyone on here is getting paid for their statistical analysis of each game. I don't work for Sports Center. I don't want to be criticized because I spelled a word wrong or didn't indent my paragraph. I graduated from LS&A and wasn't as worried about my writing and grammer skills during college as I am writing on this free football blog. Something is really wrong with that.
You make many excellent points, and the cut of your jib is most pleasing.
In general, bitching can be annoying, but bitching about bitching usually grinds my gears even harder. Then again, I guess that means I'm bitching about bitching about bitching, so what the hell do I know?
I appreciate your compliment as well as your random and excellent use of that phrase.
So.....who are the 80's sitcom stars to make you list?
This sitcom would have to be one that you actually watched in the 80's, you can't just pick someone that is hot now. Also, you'd be dating them in their prime in the 80's and you would be an appropriate age to theirs.
My top three (at least this week):
Lori Loughlin - Full House
Markie Post - Night Court
Lisa Bonet - The Cosby Show
What's your top three?
i really don't know what i expect from the commentors coming here. a few posters bring good solid analysis, a few bring a light hearted, irreverant or emotional light to things, some people have relevant stories from their days as a student or player. currently, it seems like there is an over-abudance of commenters who are here only to throw around bombastic statements with no room for grey areas, any pause or contemplation gets a scree of definitive comments.
i know that it is frustrating when our team does poorly, it is almost worse than it is good when they do well. but there is no way that venting and ranting here on the internet with a bunch of strangers is going to do. i think a little perspective would help a lot of posters, i also thing a stronger, user-based moderation system would push down on a lot of strife and possibly make the mods' jobs a bit easier.
Right now MGoBlog is like Detroit with a police force—mods—the size of Saline's police department, with about the same temperament to boot.
Once the general populace was disarmed by taking away negbangs, their is literally no brake on criminal posting activity.
Once you outlaw negbanging of comments by idiots, eventually only idiots will be commenting. It's really an iron law of the internet. Websites that don't have either heavy moderation of comments or don't enable strong self-policing by commenters are literally online versions of Mad Max. I know that there were some technical reasons for not bringing back negbanging, but it's not clear to me that Brian truly thinks there's any problem.
That I've spoken to Brian and Seth about it, and they are aware that it is a problem.
Have they thought about adding more mods? Maybe opening it up to most people with over 10,000 points, or something like that? It might not make things perfect, but it would likely improve things and lighten the load a lot for the beleaguered mods. Having, say 20-30 "part time" mods, would be a lot easier on the mods on the whole than having like 5 main mods.
and getting no information from the pilot. Nothing is more annoying.
Why doesn't Brian address this issue publically?
There hasn't been a reason to click on topics since the the WLA stopped posting regularly.
The lack of self-moderation towards the end of the summer was the tipping point, since you can't just automatically hide the stupid comments and the trolling anymore. Being able to scroll past a hidden comment that had been negged got rid of a lot of the stuff that bums most people out. Now, that stuff stays up and instead of quickly goind away, it inspires its own line of discussion that is almost always just people flaming back and forth. It turns what was once easy to ignore into an echo chamber of negativity. It's Reddit versus 4chan. The former is hardly perfect, but the latter is a horror show. That's largely due to users being able to self-moderate.
I've also thought as time has gone on that the whole points system (when it was functional) needs an overhaul. The points threshhold for posting board topics is way too low (it's what, 50?), all once has to do is comment a few times and then you can fill the board up with all the inane crap you want until the mods send you to a landlocked South American country. That needs to be a couple hundred at least.
tl;dr We need the mod system back, and when it's back it needs further improvements.
but my posts are perfect, the zenith of e-posting. Everyone elses posts wither in comparison and everyone should stop because your posts are humbled mightily in the presence of my e-genius
I was previously a poster since 2008 who had a good number of points, primarily due to user moderation, but due to a falling out with some posters I changed everything up so that I could contribute constructively without immediately provoking a flaming response. Then, after doing that, I realized that I had very little interest in posting any longer. Now, I rarely visit and/or post. In fact, I have only been checking lately to see if Hoke is going to enact any personnel changes post MSU.
I think a lot of the problems here are, as posters have noted, typical to many other forms of social media and not necessarily an Mgoblog issuer per se. I was sick of the personas of various users and their predictable rants. I was sick of the smugness of others. I really was not feeling the mods and as a grown man in a management position it was hard to take the periodic individualized and mass scoldings that occur. I guess I just got sick of it. I also miss some of the old posters who really made this place feel like home.
I realize this is all very vague, but I am trying to avoid a flame war. Just my $.02 as to why I don't really enjoy this place as much as I used to about 2 or three years ago.
anymore. Logging on to the board used to be fun and entertaining but the general influx of terrible posters has made me much less inclined to participate.
Shut up! The board has never been better!
Fire Mary Sue!
I like the MGoBoard a lot more in the offseason/OT-season. Most of the reactionist "FIRE BOARGES FIRE HOEK FIRE EVERYONE" posters with 15 MGoPoints and far too many obnoxious opinions are gone, and its usually just the "core" mgoposters. Which tends to make things better. That being said, I think the board peaked a couple years ago, and has been in decline since then.
I'd have to say that around the summer of '12 was probably my favorite time on this board. Everyone was happy, the board was funny, we all got along and we even took interest in each other's lives. Man, this thread is depressing.
...than classy responses from some members of the MGoBlog community. That coupled with an increasing number of threads by posters that have little football knowledge. That said, I still love this board....and it is far superior than anything else out there.
I will retroactively drop the Hammer of Thor on anyone callous enough to do that.
Thank you! But don't want to turn that stone over again!
There is a time for sarcasm and a time for BE A HUMAN BEING FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THINGS HOLY. People who don't understand that line... well, they suck.
My wife is also going through a battle with cancer, that was unbelievable - especially in the comparatively zero-importance of a collge sports website.
Good luck, be strong, never give up.
Thanks! Good luck to your wife and family as well.
After a quick googling, this was the thread:
Probably my least favorite thread in MGoBlog history. I mean, yeah, pinkwashing is probably a thing, but the anti-breast-cancer-awareness circlejerk was insane. It was honestly my "jumping the shark" moment for the board.
...was pretty disgusting and kind of shattered my perception of the intelligence/ignorance and civility of the Wolverine family.
That discussion stood out as the nadir of commentary on this board. (Although some nasty posts on a young woman who had just committed to Michigan came a close second.) The level of coarse, crude and sexist posts also seems to have been on the rise. My perception is this may be due to the influx of posters all of whom seem to be young men/boys lacking in any sort of real life experience. My heart bled for you (and all of us) that day.
I am also of a certain age, who remembers the actual Bo Schembechler years -- where we perennially lost games that we shouldn't, got screwed by the Big 10 and were disappointed by Bowl games when we finally got to go. Having a long view helps keep things in perspective.
I almost never post, and then only if I feel I have something unique to add. I am doing so now to say that I always regretted not posting back then to support you.
...would comment more.
FYI-My wife has joined phase 3 of a worldwide trial for a promising new cancer drug. If she (and the other patients have great success) this drug will help the quality, and lengthen the lives, of other women living with metastatic breast cancer.
Good Luck to you.
all the best. The phase three trial sounds promising. God bless those people who are willing to participate in such things for the good of the rest of us.
I thank you for your wishing I would post more. I hate to chime in where it would be dated (when I'm catching up to things on the board), or would be repeating what others have said already. I can hold my own in most sports conversations, particularly when it comes to Michigan, so I'm not too concerned about being attacked for my sports opinion, even as a woman. I do worry about coming across as the scolding oldster when I see some of the nonsense on here.
Then you won't be surprised by the classy responses of certain readers to the news of the passing of Coach Funk's father.
I don't know how it can get any worse. I thought even trolls knew there was a line you didn't cross. Sorry you were on the wrong end of it; I feel a sort of collective guilt just for participating in a place where this kind of crap happens.
On a positive note, this post has brought back old posters I haven't seen in a long time. I too have stopped posting on this board because of how negative it has become. I hope Brian will bring back self-moderation in the near future. Until then, I will just skim the board and never get anything of substance out of it.
For me, even as a mod, it gets to a point where I feel like I should introduce the Snowflake threads like this:
The malware attack, loss of negging.
After Hoke was hired the constant bitching back and forth between people who felt aggrieved that Hoke was not as readily embraced here as Rodriguez was and the people who defended Rodriguez til the end and beyond **cough** Section1 **cough** no, but seriously there were others too.
Just delete shit. Do it! It will feel so good! We don't need an explanation - just delete shit. And by shit, I mean that: shit. Trolling and emo trashing after a loss.
Bomb the shit out of people who make shitty, repetitive threads after losses. Personally attack anyone: delete. No explanation necessary.
Who cares if people get pissed, the board will be better for it and their traffic will be replaced by guys like me who used to post a lot and now just skim and search for something substantive.
I think we need more mods. 5 mods is not enough to keep a large board in check.
I can remember Seth was deleting stuff as much as anyone, and even Brian at times. And now it seems like you have two unpaid mods left to do all the dirty work.
I think Seth is still modding. Or at least he was at the beginning of the most recent Mod Action Sticky. But now it looks like he has stopped (or just stopped posting on the Mod Action Sticky).
So yeah, I think it's just LSAClassOf2000 and JGB. If we only have two mods we definitely need to add a few more.
It's me and LSA right now, and has been way more LSA than me the past few weeks. He deserves a lot of credit for that, by the way. BiSB helps out, Seth steps in sometimes and ZL mods when he has a free second.
I wouldn't be against another mod being added but I'm not sure who is both interested and would help on the whole. Getting someone just to get someone would be worse than being short-staffed. Not trying to say that poster doesn't exist, just that I would have to think about it.
Lurked for quite a while, posted a bit, but now just lurk and have no wish to post (except now of course - oh the hypocrisy!). The PSU game reactions really struck me for their infantile absurdity and utter lack of thought, though it had been trending that way.
The RR end could be pretty nasty but the conversations generally came around to something looking like a quasi-reasonable debate, even if it ended in agreeing to disagree. It was interesting to read about other people's points of view; plus you could count on enough light-hearted stuff to keep perspective.
Now every thread seems to be reduced to a 'My-dad-can-beat-up-your-dad' level of argument, regardless of the topic. The message board is rapidly becoming maize and blue mirror of RCMB.
I read the articles here, Magnus' blog and Space Coyote's coaching threads at M&B, but after looking at a few message board posts to some of the topics am turned off by the mindless descent into thuggishness they become. I wish I could offer up a solution but don't know enough about it.
I just realized that this post is full of Michigan fans wishing things were more like the way they used to be and had a little laugh.
This is the only topic I've felt worthwhile commenting in for some time now. There's always been some quality posters on this board: HisDudeness, clarkiefromcanada, Space Coyote, TIMAAAAAY, Don, DGDestroys, WolverineinLA2. Not to mention Magnus. There's definitiely a few more I'm forgetting. Props to these guys for actually contributing worthwhile commentary over the years. If only we had more sane posters like you folk.
I feel like most of the newcomers are absolute bullshit and dont contribute fuck all to this board. I truly believe these are the type of people that really don't have much else going on in their lives except for bitching on a sports blog. It's absolutely pathetic. You spend your days on this site pretending you know whats best for a bunch of 18-23 year olds as it pertains to the sport of football. You listen to people like Mike Mayock talk about players that are "quicker than fast" or "good gap responsibility" and think these wordings are somehow relevant to our team? This makes you an expert in disecting what's wrong with our offensive line, pass rushing, and whatever else you feel like bitching and moaning about.
Frankly, I'm not affiliated with this school in any way, shape, or form. I'm your classic 'Walmart Wolverine' supporter. I fucking love this school and the tradition that goes along with it. I'm not on here pretending to be knowledgeable in any sort of way like most of you asshats. Most of my comments pretain to the famous catchphrase my username so often uses.
As much as I would despise this, it's gotten to the point where there needs to be some sort of weeding our process with some of you degenerates. If I were Brian, I'd start making some sort of effort to get you all to pay a monthly charge.
Fact is: the kids that play football for the University of Michigan were worthy enough to earn a scholarship. The coaches have enough credentials to be employed as part of the coaching staff. They've accomplished more than most of you ever will. That's the hilarious part of all this 'bad posting' going around. None of those that are affiliated with the University of Michigan football program give a shit about what you think. They don't have to. At the end of the day, you're the ones dedicating your time to watch them perform on the field, follow recruiting, etc.
inconsistency, but all the bitching is getting ridiculous.
Thiings we do know:
1. Coach Hoke is a quality individual who LOVES this school and is working his tail off to try and bring this program back to the desired level. He's still dealing with a mix of 2 totally different personel - RR's and his. His first recruits are only sophmores. Most sophmores don't have a significant impact, yet. Nobody is taking this harder then him.
2. Coach is recruiting not only quality players but quality young men, as well. I, for one, do not want to see this program pimp itself out in order to beat sparty or ohio. The Stanford model should be our ultimate goal. It can be done, but I think we need more time in order to accomplish that goal.
3. These coaches, kids and administration folks WANT to win. It's not like they aren't working they're ass off to win. I really liked the paralell someone posted yesterday to Coach B. It's taken him 5 plus years, but look at where we are now.
If you let a college game bring you so far down that you have to be that unhappy, then you have a problem. If you want to btich at players, do it to the pros who get paid to suck. These kids are trying to work in a load of classes, as well.
Relax. it's all good. You are part of a high quality program - be proud.
There was an episode of happy days where a guy Literally jumped over a shark... And it was the best episode
Man I hope this is sarcasm. Giving to benefit of doubt.
(it's a quote from Communtiy)
There was a very poignant (by "Happy Days" standards) one in the first season called "The Best Man" which I thought was very well-written actually. The whole Fonzie / Pinky Tuscadero story arc isn't bad either.
Cox has more carries and more yards than Denard Robinson and is the most productive Michigan* running back in the NFL right now.
*Okay, well, he transferred to UMass for his final year but still.
I even went so far as to actually say the board had jumped the shark for me.
This was in Brian's board post where there was an issue with mgobloggers tweeting about a recruit (http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/apparently-i-have-say-treat-recruits-respect). The fact that Brian was fighting bloggers and they were fighting back and users who didn't deserve it were being Bolivia'd was beyond ridiculous. The board's been getting out of hand since it fractured into the Pro-RR and anti-RR sects a few years ago, but what happened on Sept. 24th was the breaking point for me. I'm still here, and will continue to stay here, but I no longer believe anyone has any control over this board anymore.
Your post is freaking me out ... it's like holding a mirror up to another mirror and seeing infinity. Ack!
What about this post?
I started to get tired of reading the board when most of my comments started to get grayed out because there are some chuckleheads who negged all of them, regardless of content.
I have continued to tire of the board now that there's no modification system whatsoever.
I never liked that mod system for this reason. It kept the board a little cleaner but I had to check what was in the gray box to see if it was something stupid or if it was just something someone disagreed with. The point system seemed kind of silly and fun at the time and I have grown to realize it was the best system for policing the board. I think the board was by far the best when that system was in place and I get feeling most others do too. I am starting to wonder if Brian hired a consultant that pointed out how much money that system was driving away from the board by running off clicks or something. This has been my go to place for M content for years and I have found myself looking for different outlets lately.
You could set your user preferences so that nothing was ever grayed out. I never used the filter and after a while I forgot it was even there--the points system was just a way to monitor the tone of the readership.
I think maybe that's the single biggest difference since it went away. It used to possible to register approval/disapproval with a single mouse click; now it requires a post. And the posts snowball.
I stopped going into game threads after the UConn game but still visit the site. I just really can't stand the negativity, but worse to me is the complete lack of perspective. All offseason was talk about how Devin could win the Heisman and be gone after this year, how Derrick Green was going to be the starter (I even remember reading people talk about how likely it would be for him to be gone after his junior year), and then at the first whiff of trouble there are 30+ FIRE BORGES threads.
I'm not saying the board is all roses lately, but the days when the WLA ran roughshod around here were dark, terrifying times. You'd get killed for saying literally anything, but you'd never know if it was tongue in cheek sarcasm or blatant miliant communism.
I wonder if any of those old threads still exist.
It was better then than now, IMHO.
For me, a long time (pre-Horror) reader of the blog but only a poster here since last August, I noticed that I cut way back on participating in the comments ever since the moderation went away earlier this fall. At one point there's a month or so gap in my commenting, because the boards had gotten so toxic, where before I was commenting several times a day. I've found that I far more enjoy the conversations I have on Twitter with other mgousers there, as opposed to here on the boards, and as the season has progressed I've been spending more time talking about Michigan there than here.
I think things will be better after the season once they are able to fix the site upgrade and get user moderation back. Until then things are going to continue to be messy, and I don't envy our mods one bit with all the crap they've had to deal with this season.
Long time reader, infrequent poster. The front page material is very good quality and usually interesting. But the mob mentality of many comments and many of the MGoBoard posts are stupid and RCMB like. Read a few board posts and comments Saturday night and left. I choose not to live my life being as miserable as some seem to be.
I can't pinpoint the date of shark jumping, but it was definitely this season. It just seems that the negativity has gone from simple grumbling about sports to srs bsness, mean-spirited anger. It's turned into MGoLive. The only thing missing are the Ron Paul comments. I really only read the board at times to look for certain commenters, like the OP, BISB, Space Coyote and some of the other long-timers. But even then, I follow most of them on Twitter so the incentive isn't really there for that either.
As far as self-moderation systems go, I didn't think the old one worked that well anyway. Much like Magnus described, God forbid you angered someone by having an opinion opposite of their's, Brian's (not that Brian was negging everyone, but his opinion carried more weight with the readership than it seems to today) or the mob's because you'd be negged into the ground. This was really apparent during RR's final season, when it was pretty clear it wasn't working, and was never going work.
Perhaps a system where a certain "select" class of commenters were given voting privileges (points, time served, karma, whatever) would keep from simply squelching dissenters for the hell of it.
It seemed like most weekends after a dong punch Brian was locking down the boards where you needed like 100 or 500 to post and 500 or 1000 to start threads, and no new sign ups those days (thus no opposing fan trolls). Which prevented a lot of hotheadedness that cooled by Monday. Now that it's Hoke he doesn't seem to care if Rome burns. Instead of making mods delete 50 threads, he could easily just make it so people aren't posting 50 dumb threads. But strangely it doesn't seem to bother him anymore.....
he put a lockdown in place but only after things had gotten out of control. He needs to be faster to the trigger if he's going to do it. It would help with the craziness and make Justin & LSA's mod lives easier.
I assume the board is the way it is because it's what management prefers.
He only locked it down after the mods asked him to do so (per his statement). I am of the opinion that Brian rarely visits the Board. He probably doesn't have a whole lot of time but, I mean, it is his board, man. You'd think he'd frequent the Board and see what his fans and supporters are saying.
(If he does pay attention then this comment is stupid and I'm an a--hole).
See, I am positive there will be no key coaching changes next year. (i.e., Hoke, Mattison, Borges.) Actually, I don't think there will be any coaching changes at all. And I'm one of the idiots who don't think there SHOULD be any changes. I believe the current coaching staff should get next year. I'm a broken record, but I expected this debacle given the RR OL recruiting.
The other thing is the negativity, courseness, crudeness, crassness, and snarkiness mean the board is no longer right for me to spend much time in, at least the posts.
I'm happy to read headlines, and know a bit of the latest news, but I can't stand to read posts from those raging and ripping on everything, from Brandon to the coaching staff to the players to the recruiting. I just can't do it.
Brian has often said that it is hardest to predict how OL recruits will turn out. They all know they're under the gun, but it won't start to turn around til next year, and won't really be right til the year after that. I really hope that Brandon and Hoke don't listen to AA Torch & Pitchfork.
I agree with you and as a long time contributor, who pretty much stopped reading and posting two years ago, and stopped by a few times this year, I'm astounded by how bad the comments have become. Seriously. It's sad, becuase I remember sensible comments from intelligent people. For the most part that is no longer, and my reading and contribution has essentially ceased now.
of the many failures over the last ten years or so. It started with Tressel's dominance over Carr, which spread to bowl losses, then to the Horror, then to Martin's botched hiring, then it was the embarassing transition from Carr to RR, then Toledo and 3-9, then Stretch-gate, then the rise of Sparty, then Brandon's process and getting turned down again by the top coaching candidates. That is a lot of crap for a fanbase to endure.
But then Hoke came along and said the right things and looked the part and he had a great first season so a lot of us thought that things were finally back to they way they were in the 70's-90's when most of us started watching Michigan football.
Now that things appear to be going south again it is like we are all just clenched up waiting for the next dong shot and it is frustating as hell.
...reading articles, posts, and comments. I didn't create an account until recently and don't post that often. That being said, I really miss the old pos/neg system and would be willing to take my chances w/ a low point count in order to see a higher grade of comments to articles.
I live in New Orleans now and the fans down here are lethal for a win that they don't like much less a single loss. I said for years that I couldn't believe how upset LSU fans were week after week, win after win. They would be so upset about winning, but not they way they wanted to win. Then they would have a meltdown losing to a very good team. I was glad that Michigan wasn't the same way for me but being out of state now all I have to go by is the comments on various sites and it looks like things are turning into how they are down here. It's getting hard to stand.
When you come to the blog to check the afternoon or evening games open thread and literally every post is comparing a team to Michigan and how, "oh my god Illinois is beating Penn State and we couldn't even beat them (therefore Illinois > Michigan)."
This literally happens every week and it just makes Saturday's almost unbearable because people want to be overly negative about our team at every possible opportunity, instead of just enjoying the games.
it was one of either 1) the end of Haloscan 2) the WLA leaving or 3) the great malware attack.
Definitely jumped the shark for me sometime after Hoke was hired. I think losing the point system was a big turning point. Maybe this place got too popular as well. I started reading shortly before Rich Rod was hired. I felt like I was almost part of a close knit community where everyone wanted to have level headed discussions about things, or share really funny stories. Most people got along just fine and it was totally different than any other message board site I had ever seen. It just doesn't feel that way anymore. I used to post almost daily. Now it is almost never.
I stopped paying attention after people like me started inhabiting the calming shores of the MGoCommunity. I came in, thought I would make a joke here and there and this place turned into a bunch of people just trying to be funny. I realized what I had done, stopped posting, and left the memes to others. I never posted a picture of a meme, but I never contributed to real football conversation. This community does not need more people like me so I make myself scarce. However, I do still believe we need a new OC, and we need the point system of old. The point system that made me fear posting something stupid, the point system that made me really think about every post before posting. Good days.
Are you Batman?
once that a banned hammer could land on my head via Email. I deserved it after carefully thinking out why I was warned and had no problem with it. One time though I made a comment(what I thought was a carefully thought out comment) and His Dudeness came down from all high asking me "If I were drunk this early in the day or am I really that stupid". It cut me to the bone, I did not respond for fear I may have said something that he would not have liked either. So I did not come to this blog for quite a while after. So I personally feel that people attacking other people for their opinions is more damaging than anything Brian may do.
I could highlight the useful posters (even those I disagree with) and block the mouthbreathing neckbeards.
Agreed. Now I just scan for the avatars and read the posts from the pictures I recognize and whose opinions/thoughts I value. What's ironic (for me) is that I enjoy the debate so posters on the other side of my thinking (like with Borges for example) I like the most.
Whenever I see your avatar I pay attention, and I mean that in the least creepy way possible. I love your insight, also love the avatar. But it's mostly the insight thing.
I wish I were a pie.
Two spots that I think might have been turning points.
Brian's "Profiles in Cronyism" post on Hoke. I don't blame him for being skeptical. Hoke was an unproven commodity for sure. But there has always been a lot of love for him from guys in the program. Why were we so untrusting of the guys who actually wore the helmets? Is it just because we were tired of Lloyd by the end of his tenure? I think that's the likely reason, but that shouldn't lead to personal attacks and the belittling of one non-Lloyd Carr person's career.
The second time was post-PSU, when the mods wanted a lockdown. Brian said, "Tonight is for anarchy." I could be wrong, but I don't think such a thing would have been done after an unfortunate loss by a Coach Rod team. Even if not, it was a misstep. The tacit support of the Fire Borges brigade has emboldened people to make really stupid posts. I've been a huge Borges supporter. I've also said that firing him would be OK, so long as there a good reason. No one has presented a thoroughly convincing one that doesn't just state, "I want better results."
and stay away from anything other than front page content for the most part. I think most of the user content has gone downhill since user moderation was broken.
Since our worst fears about the OLine were realized, I'm basically just reading front page content. The rest is so full of "Fire someone - anyone - to make it stop!" posts that I can't be bothered to find the sanity if it's in there. (I believe firing coaches will make things worse, and if It weren't "my" team too, I would revel in the resulting schadenfreude when our team got even worse after such a firing.)
I've been a lifelong fan, reader of Mgoblog awhile, and decided to join the boards sometime during the RR years. I know I don't have thousands of post so if you're the type of person who sees that as validation, you can stop reading.
The concept of hiding posts with a downvote is good in theory, but the execution is the terrible. People hide quality, thought out posts simply because they don't agree.
The refusal of talking about RR is ridiculous. The man busted ass for this school, he deserves to be mentioned - and like him or not, he's part of the team's tradition. If we can't talk about RR, then we can't talk about Bo. Frankly, I wouldnt mind seeing him come into the Big House and hang 50 pts on us.
Roll Damn Tide left...Did people actually think he was a Bama fan?
I wouldn't mind that either, so long as we won. Or do you want Coach Rod to beat Michigan?
First really falling off was the whole recruiting post chaos melt down.
Second was today in seeing the coach funk thread.
because I jumped the shark, and only check in every couple of days. I missed this thread until now. But I want to comment because I did have a defining "moment" that drove me away.
I jumped after being accused of picking on a HS kid. I felt that the direct criticism of me, being called out by Brian was unfair first of all. He was prickish about it. Then mob mentality, that inaccurately charactorized my comments and me took over and that is what made me not want to play anymore. So, as of a few weeks ago, the ap is off my phone; I check in periodically, but not constantly like I used to. I am just not taking this board seriously, as I used to. I can still find great information-I love the posts on the main page from Brian and crew informative and entertaining. But the forum and ignorant responses from many of the posters are nearly unreadable. Very mean, knee jerky, know it all-ish from dudes who are just fans. Sprinkled in are posts from people I actually enjoy, but its not worth the mounds of idiots.