JUCOs by Conference

Submitted by alum96 on

Just saw this non Harbaugh graphic on another message board and thought I'd Harbaugh share since it is so difficult to find Harbaugh data on JUCOs.  Unfortunately there is not Harbaugh a pie chart for the Big 10 teams but we can see the Big 12 is the home of JUCOs, followed surprisingly by the Pac 12.  It is not so bad in the SEC in a relative sense but some of those schools more and make up for it with the oversigning situation.  The ACC does almost none of it. 

Worst perpetrators, include 3 coaches who are pretty darn good at the top... and the guy with the schematic advantage.  Bob Stoops surprised me in the top 10.  Also give kudos to Gary Patterson who does not take advantage of this route while everyone in his conference is.  Also contrary to popular belief - Miles and Mullen don't go crazy down this route with only 5 each as of 2013.

  1. Weiss** - Kansas
  2. Todd Graham - ASU
  3. Kyle Whittingham - Utah
  4. Bill Snyder - KSU
  5. Some dude - Texas Tech
  6. Some dude - Iowa State
  7. "The Hair" - West Virginia
  8. Big Bert - Arkansas
  9. Mike Leach - Washington State
  10. Bob Stoops - Oklahoma
  11. I'm a Man, I'm 40! - OK State
  12. The Blind Side - Ole Miss

 

**Not anymore but still getting paid.

Harbaugh.

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alum96

December 20th, 2014 at 11:05 PM ^

As a general rule I dont think UM needs it but it would be nice to plug a hole from time to time - MSU usually gets 1-2 a year for example so on their total roster has 5-6 at any 1 time and can fill holes in the rosterr.  If Hoke had 3 OL JUCOs enroll in 2012 maybe history would have been different.   And maybe in 2015 we'd have a JUCO transfer QB who could help.   I mean it is not a terrible thing to do every once in a while.

But yes the general idea was to show the landscape - I had no idea myself it was so prevalent in the Big 12, and Pac 12.  And the ACC basically shuns it.

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kody99

December 21st, 2014 at 12:20 AM ^

Dumbtonio doesn't recruit many now ... actually i don't think they have any left after the long harred OL from out west ... 

I always thought that Jucos were a very short term view ... KSU is the only team that i know that has ever won consistently doing that ....  Recruit 5 year players ... redshit and develop.

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TX Maize-Blue

December 21st, 2014 at 12:39 AM ^

I played High School ball here in Dallas with Quincy Morgan who had a full ride to Baylor but couldnt pass the entrance exam so he went to Blinn which is a JC powerhouse and he won a national championship with them. He then went and played at KSU and eventually was drafted by the Browns in the second round. Some of the kids who come out of JC can still be a vauable asset. 

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Lampuki

December 20th, 2014 at 11:10 PM ^

I don't see the big deal with JUCOS. I knew a guy who transferred from WCC right into the B-School. I knew Gus who got in with 12 on their ACT. Why not a JUCOS transfer with decent grades.

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Zone Left

December 20th, 2014 at 11:32 PM ^

I happen to agree, but I see the other side of the argument.

Bottom line, guys go the JUCO route because they didn't meet the NCAA's very low bar to qualify for a four year school. It's reasonable to be suspicious that these kids will never be able to meet university level standards. 

I just see the argument as flawed because the qualification standards for athletes are already so low that a kid who finishes an associates degree with decent grades can reasonably expect to meet the lower academic expectations.

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gobluesasquatch

December 21st, 2014 at 12:58 AM ^

That's actually quite false to say that kids go to JUCO's because they can't meet NCAA standards for eligibility. 

Again, this might apply to all sports, not just football, but JUCO"s are a great way for a kid to develop with some solid coaching and attention, learn how to grow up a bit, and maybe catch up by competing for a few years, when maybe they were a bit behind their peers in high school. 

In a number of sports, this is what college coaches are looking for. Kids that have proven they can a) handle college life, b) have continued to develop and compete, c) are able to step in right away and compete. This is a huge advantage over incoming freshmen who might not be able to do any of the three listed above.

As for KU and KSU, they have a very extensive JUCO system, much like Texas and California, so I'm not surprised that both KSU and KU use JUCO's like they do. Those kids coming out of Kansas schools get to compete with kids from around the country and get up to speed to be D1 athletes.

Sure, are their a lot of guys who need help to qualify - sure. Are some of them just kids that didn't mature as fast, and realizing they are in the middle of nowhere Kansas or wherever, they might start taking studies seriously, sure.

But lets not make widesweeping generalizations regarding kids in junior college. 

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TESOE

December 21st, 2014 at 1:08 PM ^

to polish his athletic talents under superior coaching and facilities despite being eligible for a 4 year school? I will save you the post... there are none. Baseball, hockey, soccer are all different animals. Football JuCo players are kids who have classroom issues in general. That is quite fact. If a kid has resources and wants to work on his grades and make it into a four year school - prep is the another route. It's a hard road either way. Kansas has an historical job market and education mission that allows for 2 year degrees and transfers. They don't have the directional schools of other states. That said... community colleges, for profit institutions and online programs are offering economic alternatives to fully qualified students to get their degree. However they aren't making SEC/P12/B12/B1G/ACC starters out of kids without HS video to prove themselves athletically. If you can name one (like Aaron Rodgers) - he is the exception that proves the rule. Michigan can use JuCos - but they need to show progression toward existing degrees. It's not an easy thing to do while burning eligibility at a JuCo playing academic catch up. To portray JuCo football players as doing anything else than catch up - undersells the work they need to accomplish to make it at Michigan or any four year school.

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Mr Miggle

December 21st, 2014 at 7:47 AM ^

academically after Juco. It's what classes did you take there? You can go to a Juco and take classes that Michigan will accept for credit. You can also go and take a lot of classes they won't. It's possible to get that info beforehand if you're so inclined.

Admissions makes some allowances for athletes out of HS out of necessity. From their standpoint, at least any of those students who get a degree will have earned it by taking the same courses as their classmates who met the normal academic standards for admission.

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MgoRayO3313

December 20th, 2014 at 11:44 PM ^

It's not... People see it as a negative though. Typically if you have to go the JUCO route you screwed up in HS acadically.

I lived in Kansas and I felt like JUCO was a way of life. Academics were never a priority. Athletes skate by with sub 2.0's on a regular basis in HS. Most hit a JUCO for a year or two and then get looked at by all the local big schools. I saw k state non stop along with Georgia when I worked down there.



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Jack Hammer

December 21st, 2014 at 12:07 AM ^

But I'm in the camp where it should be used to fill occassional gaps but not a key tenent of the overall personnel strategy.  Like hiring a contract developer from time to time to meet project deadlines.  Not using JUCO transfers at all seems like a shortsighted strategy.

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cadillacjack333

December 21st, 2014 at 8:11 AM ^

I am a big proponent of JUCO.  Especially for sports like Baseball, Football and Basketball.

Kids get injured or come from small programs and are lightly recruited.  

Kids want to play right away to develop.

Way cheaper to knock out 60 college credits at a JUCO and yes you can take real courses like Calculus and statistics.

Would you rather go to a JUCO in the hopes of one day playing for a Power 5 conference program or go and play at a FCS or low D2 like EMU?

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bigbrother

December 21st, 2014 at 8:18 AM ^

What is the thing with JUCOs? Is there an objective criteria they fail? Or is it simply not the preferred route? Is it because they come in with one year less eligibility? I transferred in from Dearborn and graduated Ann Arbor. Was that shameful?

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maizenbluenc

December 21st, 2014 at 8:51 AM ^

take Jucos but once in a blue moon because of transfer credit issues. That said Jucos are a an important part of the educational infrastructure for a number of reasons and someone transferring in should be respected. Interestingly, with all the state budget cuts for education down here, NC State sent a letter to alums with college bound seniors saying they were going to start being more selective for incoming freshman classes, and accept more transfers from 2+2 programs at UNC Wilmington or Wake Tech CC, etc. I don't see many comments disparaging that route. Most complaints I've seen in the past were about Michigan admissions making this almost impossible for football player transfers thus making our playing field tilt a little against us.

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