I think if he wants Acedemic = Stan, Campus=Stan, Friends/Coaches=Mich, Opportunities=Mich
Josh Garnett Update
Michigan's academics and campus aren't too far compared to Stanford's. Can't say the same about Coaches and Opportunities at Stanford.
I'd say overall Michigan has the right balance of academics, football tradition and national recognition compared to Stanford which is predominantly academic.
I did undergrad at UM and 3 yrs of grad at stanford. campuses dont compare at all. its Club Med versus a midwestern campus. srsly. plus being in northern cali, the weather... when you see stanford coeds tossing the frisbee in bikinis in october, dude, you aint in AA. just the truth.
i still bleed maize n blue and the ONLY time i rooted for stanford was when a Michigan Man was their HC.
Eh. I live in the Bay Area. Weather isn't that great.
Pretty fair amount of rain from what I remember of my one year in Menlo Park.
It does really depend on where you live in the Bay Area, though. Weather in the city of SF is normally cold and rainy when it's warm and dry out by Walnut Creek.
I spent 3 weeks of the summer in Palo Alto. Every day was 70-80 with clear skies. Between AA and PA, I would say campuses are about equal, but weather definitely goes to PA, and we have no way to guess how big of an affect that has on Garnett.
Yep, High in the 50's and below 30 lows right now in Santa Cruz. Just never seems to get wet chill out of the air unless you are down sitting in sun, or east of San Jose, north of Sacramento, or south of Bakerfield.
Im sure the campus plays a part, but I don't think it will be the ultimate deciding factor for Mr. Garnett.
This is nonsense. First, have you seen or heard anything about Michigan's health center? Second, where you go to undergrad has nothing to do with how successful you are as a physician, especially when you're as driven as Garnett seems to be. You can get into any med school in the country from just about any undergrad, and you can subsequently get into any residency from just about any med school. It matters even less when you're comparing Michigan to Stanford. It all depends on how bad you want it.
At the undergrad level, the university's prestige in the medical field is moot. Pre-meds take no medical courses, and you can go to any medical school you get into when you finish undergrad. If this is really Garnett's greatest concern, the only thing that matters is medical school admission stats. I have no idea what the comparison there is for Stanford grads vs. Michigan grads, but I doubt it's too far off for people with similar grades and MCAT scores.
But, if it were the only thing that mattered, why wouldn't Garnett go to Harvard? I'm sure they would be glad to give him a scholarship. So it seems like there's a bit more to the decision than just a free education.
I don't believe that Harvard gives out athletic scholarships, but your point still stands.
Do you have any idea what you are talking about? UofM are very comparable in the undergrad science fields. Deciding between Stanford and UofM is of less import than other factors to a med school admissions committee.
Dude, I currently live on campus... if you are looking for bikini sights you should go to southern Cal. Female talent here is horrible. I swimg at the Stanford acquatic center 3 times a week and it is sad.
The weather is really nice, better than San Fran, though it is not always perfect as many believe (surprisingly cold summers and rainy winters).
Academics are superior, no question about it, but as I said below, UM is pretty close and when you put together the entire Michigan package (football opportunities, student life, etc), I would go to UM over Stanford.
And completely echo the above post. It's always sunny, but never really warm, it's expensive, and there isn't a lot of talent. It just isn't a college town like AA.
Palo Alto is nice, but it does not feel like a college town at all. It feels more like a Palm Springs resort for retirees. No beautiful crisp clear fall football days with leaves falling like Ann Arbor.
You only get one shot at college. My advice to him is to go to a classic college town.
When he becomes a pro, he can go to Palm Springs or Scottsdale for vacation in the off-season all he wants.
They are all the same over there, Palo Alto, Sunnyvale, Mountainview. No real lawns or grass, just low strip malls with low signage and asphalt butting up to the road. Sure weather is fair, but also a dampness in the air and never really gets warm. Mostly stucco construction, everything is jammed ontop of everything, and yet building codes don't allow them to build up instead of out, so space is at a premium and I seem to find more debris spread along the roadside.
october, dude, you aint in AA. just the truth."
are you sure you weren't at San Diego State not Stanford?
we're toast. But, he's a very smart young man who is looking at the big picture and what's best for him in the long run. The fact that he's come out here to see our campus and is very interested in Michigan is a very good sign. So, let's hope he makes the right decision for him.
Ummm... I don't think you've been to Stanford campus. I love everything about UM but Stanford campus can't be beat - FAR superior to ours. Stanford academics is also better than ours. If you are a serious football player though I don't know why you would choose stanford right now though. Harbaugh made that program and it isn't going to stay on high.
Yeah, Stanford's campus is perfect. I don't think it helps to argue otherwise. However, Michigan's academics (for the better students) are almost as strong and occasionally as strong as Stanford's. The football aspects are much stronger at Michigan. I am obviously biased in favor of Michigan and hope Garnett sees it the same way.
My midwest upbringing does cause me to think that Stanford's campus/weather might be too perfect. Someone should mention earthquakes to Garnett.
I'm in San Francisco right now (which apparently is the only thing you can call it without people getting bent out of shape) and it's probably 10 degrees warmer than Ann Arbor. It is a nice city, but man, it is pretentious. And much colder than I expected. For my college years, give me everything Ann Arbor has to offer. I wouldn't trade my years in Ann Arbor for anything.
It's so funny you mentioned how people in the Bay Area really do get snippy about what one would call San Francisco, don't say Frisco or San Fran....It's San Francisco or "The City".
I have friends from there and who live there, now the weather where I live is the bomb, trust me, not S.F., it gets and stays pretty nippy there for a good part of the year, the nights can get real cold, it rains a lot. It's on the same latitude as ohio for that matter.
As far as the academics is concerned, yes Stanford is a highly rated school, especially in Law & Business, but part of the reason they're so highly rated across the board I guess is because of people in high places that keep them there and reputation. U-M is right up there w/Stanford in many Fields and surpasses them in some, i.e. Research.
There are a few reasons why U-M alums are the richest accumulatively of any college in the world, great academics is one of them, Stanford is not so superior to U-M, not bad considering they're a private school and we're a public school.
Is totally acceptable and welcomed. After all, no one calls LA "Los Ang."
That's because it sounds awkward and doesn't rhyme. San Fran just sounds cool, it's a bummer the people there don't like it. Frisco does too. It's no wonder everyone thinks people from SF suck - they do!
That is *very* true, as someone else just noted here. You really have to say "The City" to avoid nasty looks when in certain company.
And, the pretentiousness, where it exists, is of the worst kind. New Yorkers (to take an example) will at least admit (sometimes) to being competitive about every little thing. Some San Franciscans are exactly the same, but it's cloaked in an elaborate "laid back, dude" West Coast pose.
Dilithium=Mich, Golden Poop=Mich.
according to ARWU, Stanford is the #3 university in the world, U of M is #22. according to Times-Higher, Stanford is again #3 in the world and U of M is #18, and according to the QS World University Rankings, Stanford is #11 while U of M is close at #14. But seriously, I don't think there is much difference between schools in the top 20
EDIT: for faculty rankings in life sciences and medicine, Stanford is #4 and U of M is #34 for QS.
for clinical, pre-clinical, and health, Stanford is #6 and U of M is #15 according to Times-Higher.
and for clinical medicine and pharmacy, in 2010 Stanford was #12 and U of M was #8 according to ARWU.
Stanford is superior in academics, though Michigan is pretty darn good and will probably open as many doors in the profesional world depending on what he wants to do.
Campus (I currenyl live on Stanford). Stanfor campus is probably the pretties I have seen and the weather is insane. But the campus atmosphere and student life is MUCH better at UM (and don't get me started about female talent here. IT IS HORRIBLE).
If Stanford was to remain a top football program then the decision would be much tougher, but if he is interested in academics I really do believe UM is the best place that mixes the academic, football opportunities, fun campus life, out of any school.
I live in the Bay, have been to Stanford's campus many times, and I personally think it sucks. Granted, the weather is excellent, but the architecture, the atmosphere, and the campus life (in short, everything that makes up a college experience) sucks. The football atmosphere is also the polar opposite of Michigan. You could drive past Stanford Stadium during a home game and not be able to tell that there's a football game going on.
They have us beat on weather and academics, but other than that, Michigan is better across the board.
... Or ridiculous mascot.
since you keep bringing up the "female talent" yourself.
I love the attitude that we're all supposed to be grade A students and supermodels at the same time, but if we are pretty, it's assumed we're dumb, got in via affirmative action favoring women or just do favors for grades.
OH and FYI the "male talent" here is nothing great either, especially compared to my East Coast home, and the weather tends to hinder what you apparently think is the natural instinct to participate in bikini-clad frisbee tournaments. Seriously, half the engineers in my major are too awkward to talk to me or any other attractive girl anyway, and I'm not a jersey chaser, so I guess you think I'm wasting my looks. Fuck you if you're the type of interviewer who asks me if I'm getting married soon (because apparently it is a waste of money to hire attractive women who might get married and then obviously have children and take leave or leave for good), or spends the whole interview going on about how you want more women in your work environment.
tl;dr: We're students too, not just scenery with boobs. Also, fuck you.
Huh? Are you really getting insulted that I said that Stanford has few attrative girls?
First of all, you have to admit there are far fewer attrative girls at Stanford than at other schools. Adn yes, a big reason is the higher academics. And yes, there are attractive people also styudying at top schools, but the correlation tends to go the other way I am sorry to say.
Second, I was an EECS undergrad, so hard to find a dorkier/less attrative crowd anywhere ;-)
Third, my fiancé is currently an engineering grad student at Stanford (and a big chunk of my friends went to Stanford), so I obviously don't think everyone at Stanford is ugly or that the only pretty people that get in do so because of affirmative action. Nor do I think that women are just boobs or whatever you think I said.
I think you have some mayor unresolved issues. My only advice is that if indeed you have been getting questions about getting married as you recruit for full-time jobs, then that is not a place where you want to work.
Unsatisfied with just perpetuating the "ugly scholar" meme, cue the next: "Woman expresses unhappiness with sexism, therefore mentally unsound." Thanks for exposing your innovative thought process.
My entire post was that Stanford had few good looking girls. If you want to create your own internal women debate go right ahead on your own.
Wow, you really do enjoy drowning in a glass of water and making up inaccurate conclusions.
Sorry, you are right, engineers are hot as hell, most engineers are female, Stanford is the party school of the world and has more good looking females than southern Cal schools. And yes, all men just see women as boobs and we do not think they can do our work... god, sad if that is how you think others view the world and others. But if it makes you feel better I will say over and over again that Stanford and engineering girls (oh, yeah, my two sister's are also engineers) are the hottest group bar none.
And funny how in your first post you insult engineering man and say that the male talent sucks when compared to the east coast. No idea, probably completely accurate (in fact my female friends here tell me dating life sucks here cause there are no good looking man), but how can you say exactly the same thing I say while you are arguing with me?
Stanford's campus sucks.
Is it just me or does it annoy everyone one that they're the "Cardinal" and not "Cardinals"
everyone knows why its "cardinal" right? its a shade of the color red. why did they pick that? because Harvard is nicknamed the Crimson. not sobsubtle what they think of themselves.
JFK referred to his alma mater, Harvard, as the "Michigan of the East." So there's that.
But his point, which you obviously missed, is the "Harvard of the East" saying was actually originated by a Harvard alum, not a Michigan alum. You're not being cocky when someone else says you're awesome.
And yet they chose this to be their mascot.
The mascot is a concern. It just might be enough to lure Garnett to Stanford. Look at those dreamy eyes and perfect smile.
I think the Stanford Tree's foliage was in much better condition during Jim Harbaugh's tenure.
I heard they were thinking about getting rid of the tree, but then some Berkley students chained themselves to it.
Lol. SO many things for me laugh at in there. Thank you.
Stanford tree smile and raise you a Denard smile.
A wolverine walks up to a tree in the forest. The wolverine sniffs at the tree and pisses on it. What's the tree going to do? Nothing. That's my point.
Garnett -- what do you want to be ... the animal pissing on the tree, or the tree?
Now make your choice.
Wolverines are known to hunt large prey—like deer, caribou and even moose—from trees. So if we team up with stanford we can take out the Moose. However, I don't think there is a school with a moose mascot. But if there was, they wouldn't stand a chance.
what's up with the tree then? if it isn't a tree for cardinals to sit on then i'm confused.
that he called them "Standford"
I gathered from the OP that this was the Tim's spelling. Also the rest of it- "unlike what many analyst seemed to have think" - makes me question his current sobriety level... If I hadn't already been hearing things like this I would probably blow this off entirely.
This pleases me!
Based of what some top Michigan recruitniks are saying, I like our chances with Garnett a lot.
All this news that can fall under "positive" is just setting me up for disappointment, isn't it?
that people have think?
Not that it matters.
Welcome to AA, Mr. Garnett!
Im so damn excited i cant stand it.
"Pills! You mean you really are taking drugs?! Jessie gimme those!"
I'd be shocked if he went anywhere else but Michigan, honestly.
Erik Magnuson and PeeWee have been on him for months.
be happy hes coming to Michigan
"Standford" may be the most misspelled word in the Michigan blogosphere. Either that or "Lyyod."
Llyod is anothr coomon mispelling. I prefer to go with loid.
he'll want MSU.
He's a national recruit .. but, just not big enough.
But the decision making of David Shaw at the very end of regulation in the Fiesta Bowl was absolutely brutal. If I were Garnett, I would think for a long time before I committed myself to a head coach who displayed such an abysmally poor feel for the game.
Hope he goes blue, but if he doesn't can't fault him for choosing Stanford. Kids seems like a class act all the way, and we should pull for him no matter where he plays.
True, but I'll pull for him a little harder if he ends up in Ann Arbor.
I know this doesn't mean much but he's wearing a Michigan hat on his twitter picture.
I have been to Stanford's campus, it is beautiful and the school cannot be matched (yes, I am a UM alum) but I was not very impressed by their athletic facilities, especially the football stadium and gameday experience is lacking for a P12 school.
I don't understand why people think Stanford's campus is so nice. I live near Stanford and I've been to their campus quite a few times, and I think they have one of the most boring, sterile campuses of any major university I've ever seen. Yes, they have us beat on academics and weather, but I would take the campus experience I had at Michigan over Stanford's any day of the week.
Yes, don't sleep on Ann Arbor. A2 is a picture-perfect college environment.
No, it's not a resort. When you go to the mountains, you don't expect the beach. When you go to the beach, you don't expect the mountains. A2 is what you expect when you go to college.
From every thing I've read, I think he went into this weekend with Michigan in the lead, and it doesn't sound like the visit changed all that much. Do I think Michigan will land him? Yes. Do I think it's a forgone conclusion? Absolutely not.
If you go to Twitter, Josh just agreed to do an interview with me. I'll post shortly.
Keep it up!
You've done like 20 interviews this evening already! GO A.Q.U.A.M.A.N
Aquaman - the name reminds me of the bald guy from the Aqua music group :/
The MGoJet: The official icon of Michigan coaching searches.
I can't look at pictures of it without getting the shakes.
Whether he goes to medical school at Stanford, Michigan, or plays in the NFL, I think Josh Garnett's going to be just fine.
...to read the campus comparisons these last two days with Berkeley, Stanford, and Michigan. Having lived near all three I would summarize thusly: no comparison between the bay area and the Detroit area for natural beauty, weather, and culture. All three are great world-class universities. Michigan is the traditional sports/football power among them, and by sports I mean football and men's basketball. Stanford is tops for all non-revenue sports combined. Not being an athlete, if I could have gotten into Stanford, and if I could have afforded it, I would have gone there, but I would not choose Cal over Michigan, because I prefer Michigan's professional programs. If I thought I had a shot at the NFL I would choose Michigan, unless Jim Harbaugh was recruiting me
Inevitable course of these conversations:
1. someone points out the value of a Michigan education over the other school
2. if the other school is superior academically (like Cal and Stanford), someone says that for "better students" Michigan is as good, some oddity in the ranking process, or that in-state kids have lower admission standards, or east-coast kids and their MONIEZ have lower admission standards, and fuck things up for everyone else
3. if their campus is superior (again like Cal or Stanford) talk about how pretentious it is
4. grudgingly talk about how the player will go somewhere else to chase HOTCHIX, cuz mich is apparently full of trolls
5. but it's COLD here!
6. GUY MUST BE GETTING PAID
What do you call a naked blonde standing on her hands? A brunette with bad breath.
Is my single favorite recruit in this entire class. His intelligence, passion, and drive stand head and shoulders above most college students, let alone student-athletes. He would be a credit to Michigan if we can land him and us to him. I won't be crushed if he goes to Stanford -- he'll do what's right for him, but I will be over the moon if he joins the class of 2012.
I think he is Blue. Hopefully we get Payton too.
Rhymin and shit.