Jon Gruden, Tim Tebow, and Nonsense
So, yeah, we all hate ESPN for it's superficial coverage of all things sports. But, perhaps, they have reached a new low.
They apparently would like us to believe that Gruden can talk to a bunch of NFL-bound QBs and let them know all their problems (or at least or their football-related problems).
My favorite is that Tim Tebow apparently was unable to change his throwing motion over 9 MONTHS between college seasons but will be able to miraculously change it in just a few weeks with proper coaching.
Are college coaches really that stupid or incapable?
Charlie Weis
and raise you a Kiffin.
The only Kiffin that will raise me is Layla.
mention of hot chick = mandatory picture!
April 14th, 2010 at 10:01 PM ^
surprised her cell phone cover isn't orange...yeah I noticed that too
April 14th, 2010 at 10:25 PM ^
Looks like it might have been a cold day when the picture was taken....
April 14th, 2010 at 11:09 PM ^
whats up with the UCLA fan in the background, sort of creepy...reminds me of the evil monkey hiding in Chris Griffin's closet.
If you manage to raise your eyes to her face you'll notice that it's not her most flattering picture.
Her what?
ZOMG LANE KIFFIN'S WIFE IS SO HOT THEREFORE HE'S AMAZING AND IS A GREAT COACH
/cowherd
She actually doesn't look that good in this picture. The only thing that's attractive is that she's not wearing a bra. And some even find that to be a bit sleazy.
I am not one of those people.
...is not an adjective I would use to describe this statement.
:) Says the guy with bikini avatar.
Care to elaborate?
It's just that various comments you've made over time make it un-surprising.
I wasn't criticizing. I realize I have a Miranda Kerr-in-a-bikini avatar. I like seeing scantily clad women.
April 15th, 2010 at 11:05 AM ^
I didn't neg you, and I wouldn't be surprised either. I like chicks, man. LIKE EM!
Another ex-NFL coach that regressed?
So, the whale regressed or are NFL coaches more stupid or incapable than college coaches?
Tim Tebow is ESPN's "Golden Boy". At this point, he's in the, "too big to fail" category. They have to keep the hype machine rolling long enough to get him drafted, then he can slowly fade into NFL obscurity.
Last year, they tried to elevate Tate to "Golden Boy" status, but things didn't work out so well. I'll be interested to see if they do it again this year.
April 14th, 2010 at 10:36 PM ^
Previous golden boy. The hype machine was working overtime to make him the top pick. Then, we all watched him painfully sit through most of the first round before being drafted. I hope Tebow doesn't cry if he falls to the second round.
Whatever quarterback brings us back to glory will be a golden boy. It's that simple.
For us, any QB we have is the golden boy. However, ESPN was already talking Heisman for Tate after his second game last year. They were trying to force him down the throats of the entire U.S. as a true freshman, the same thing they did with Tebow.
Sure, its all fluff and is set up to make the kids look good, but I thought it was entertaining at least.
Sam Bradford seems like a well-adjusted guy. Tebow, on the other hand, sounded completely scripted and fake.
Who's saying he needs only a few weeks to change his throwing motion? Was this how it was presented on ESPN?
Genuinely curious. Every interview with a scout or 'person familiar with the situation' I've read indicates that he'd be drafted with the plan explicitly in place to have him sit, learn, and refine for a season at the very least, and likely more.
Yeah, in one segment, Gruden asked Tebow to throw the ball as quickly as possible -- don't worry about laces, just throw the ball. Jon tossed balls to Tebow and he threw it to receivers.
Then, Jon-boy commented that he was impressed with "how quickly Tim released the ball".
Plus, Tebow "changed his throwing motion significantly" between the combine and the Florida NFL day (or whatever it's called).
One question I've always had, "If Tebow is really the ultimate TEAM player, the first to arrive and the last to leave" why wouldn't he try to be a better QB and change his throwing motion? Wouldn't this be the most help to his team? Wouldn't this be the real TEAM player?
April 14th, 2010 at 11:01 PM ^
He was one of the most efficient QBs in the nation the past three seasons. Why mess with success unless it's to improve your draft position? Maybe not changing the motion was best for the team...
I think the reality is it just isn't as critical on the college level so they won't invest the time required to change the motion of a guy like Tebow, especially when vying for a NC. To succeed in the NFL he will have to change it regardless of how long the transition takes, assuming he does end up playing QB.
April 14th, 2010 at 11:02 PM ^
I think this is correct. Additionally, the intricacies of the QB's throwing motion is not as significant when you are the Florida QB whose receivers are being chased by Arkansas LB (or, worse, FAU linebackers and safeties) rather than the quarterback for Jacksonville, throwing into smaller windows between Pittsburgh Steelers' defenders.
April 14th, 2010 at 10:00 PM ^
Personally, I found the Gruden clips to be really interesting. To see the different kinds of coaching these college QB's have received, and then watching them break down film with Gruden is an interesting look into what the draft process might entail. Say what you will about Gruden as a coach, but the man does know his QB's.
Also, the segments have been helpful for me as I try to teach young athletes how to watch film. They have been trained to watch most things once. I loved the Gruden segment with Bradford when he watched the same two seconds (naked boot, hot route covered, ouch) several times. It's great for me to have that as an example to underscore how pros evaluate film to get the maximum benefit.
April 14th, 2010 at 11:17 PM ^
He's 22 and has been playing QB for most of his life at this point (most likely). NFLers may tweek his throw, but at this point it is what it is. I don't think NFL coaches and GM's are buying into this significant change in his throwing. Put him in the pocket under duress and I guarantee you he reverts to the motion he has always used. That being said I think he is a good kid, and I wish him well even if I personally don't believe he will ever be successful in the NFL.
April 15th, 2010 at 12:34 AM ^
The real question is: how much has Gruden's life been bettered by Tebow's presence?
Unfortunately, there is no way to adequately measure, quantify, or express the extent to which Gruden's life has been improved. I would say that it would be like Moses trying to explain what it was like at the mountain top. We can only say that "he has spent time with Tebow", and hope that others will know what this means.
My favorite was the "Tebow on 3...." Then Tebow goes "No Hard work on 3"...such a dreamy hero!
It sounds like you were being sarcastic, but I actually that was a pretty cool moment.
I think it's telling of Tebow's character, and overall the video sheds him in a very positive light. I'm just wondering if Gruden did that on purpose? Or, why would the break on the huddle be "Tebow" to begin with? At any rate, I did like what Tebow did there.
It's easy to fix a throwing motion when you're not getting hit. Whether it stays that way when you are is another story.
Obviously I had read a lot about Devin Gardner, heard about his crappy throwing motion, but I had never actually seen him throw until the tapes from the Elite 11 camp came out. I saw him throw with beautiful mechanics, and I couldn't understand where the criticism was coming from. Then I saw him in pads, with a defense playing during his senior year film. Under the pressure, there was his Vince Young motion in all it's glory. If there is a hell, then it will be when Tebow is playing quarterback in the NFL. When d-lineman that are bigger and faster than he is are falling around his feet, and he has 1.4 seconds to get rid of the ball, he's going to loop it around, the ball will be below his waist, and Brandon Graham during his defensive rookie of the year campaign is going to strip it!
April 15th, 2010 at 10:54 AM ^
I think that will be DG's saving grace. He throws a bit sidearm like Young, but does seem to have a fairly quick release. It does suck for such a tall guy to "shorten" himself with a low release, but it is light years better than the 30 minute, old school baseball windup of Tebow. Young's arm has been fine in the NFL so far, now if they could only help fix his brain...
April 15th, 2010 at 11:38 AM ^
I wasn't trying to knock DG at all, love the kid, can't wait for his future. I was simply saying that it's hard to change a throwing motion, and when the pressure is on, and you have to get the ball out, Tebow will revert back to his old motion because he doesn't have to think about it. I just meant that I saw the same thing with DG during games as opposed to the Elite 11 camp. DG will be fine, and as much as I hate Tebow, he won a shit ton of games.
Haha, I just watched today's clip of him with Clausen and he was ripping him most of the time. I love watching these segments though, and they are going to have an hour of the "Gruden QB camp" tonight at 7