Yeah it was mentioned here: http://mgoblog.com/content/unverified-voracity-shows-surgeons-broom
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Yeah it was mentioned here: http://mgoblog.com/content/unverified-voracity-shows-surgeons-broom
It does seem like he's been mad at Brandon ever since his friend Rich Rod was fired.
Except that Rod isn't happy with Bacon about his book either. I went to a game last year and my brother and I ate at a local bar. Let's just say that Bacon isn't the only one upset with Brandon. There are several others who have been ticket holders for years who are angry with Brandon and are no longer ticket holders.
I've read the book and it's about as flattering to Rich Rod as it could possibly be. I think the "Rich doesn't like the book either" is just a cover story to make it sound like it's even-handed.
I'm not saying there are no valid criticisms of Brandon, just that Bacon's bitched about him so much that it's hard to take him seriously. And honestly, the same is true for the proprietor of this site. Brian's ranting about Brandon has gotten old, too. No AD is going to satisfy everyone in every area, but when you look at the big picture and see an athletic department that is successful in just about every sport, has steadily rising APR scores across the board, and runs a yearly profit, is there really that much to complain about?
Of course you can't please everyone, but that doesn't mean Brian shouldn't call out Brandon on his mistakes. Success in sports, good academics, and being in the black are par for the course at Michigan. It's not like he's revolutionized the athletic department. Besides, Brian has complimented him on a number of issues as well. If you specifically asked his overall opinion on Brandon, I don't actually think it'd be that low. Just that he's tinkering too much with a formula that has obviously treated Michigan well, and I'd agree.
John Bacon and Brian Cook have much more access to the Michigan program than you or I , yet they're doing the complaining.
They see a lot more detail and talk to a lot more people associated with the athletic department than you do, I wager.
So maybe there is something to the criticism, yeah?
And how people come up with the book as being flattering to RR is beyond me. Made him look like he was naive in how he handled the press, former players, and the university administration.
Without getting into the Brandon/Bacon/Brian ballyhoo, I have to say this is a pretty nonsensical and self-defeating line of argument. If we're going to say that Bacon & Brian's opinions carry some sort of enhanced credibility because of their amorphous "access" to the program, wouldn't the same logic then immunize Dave Brandon from criticism, since presumably he has significantly MORE access to the Michigan program than Bacon and Brian combined, and therefore can speak more authoritatively than a sports writer and a blogger, respectively?
Why don't we just evaluate these criticisms on their own merits and against our own experiences as fans rather than appeal to baseless assertions of esoteric knowledge to buttress the arguments we happen to favor?
The access Cook n' Bacon (ha!) have is anything but amorphous, IMO. Their criticisms of Brandon are more informed than joe average fan. Don't deliberately misconstrue.
I don't think you really grasped what I was saying.
"Trust them, they have more access than you" is not an availing argument when used to justify criticisms of the person with the most access to the program.
Again, none of this is to say that Brian & Bacon's critiques are unfounded or incorrect. But their purported access to the program is probably the poorest measuring stick by which to evaluate their claims.
Yes, but there are many other people with the same access that disagree with them. Love Brian, but disagree with his personal vendetta against Brandon
you have the option NOT to read brian's writing
No AD is going to satisfy everyone in every area, but when you look at the big picture and see an athletic department that is successful in just about every sport, has steadily rising APR scores across the board, and runs a yearly profit, is there really that much to complain about?
All true except that, as it's been pointed out here previously, Athletic Departments aren't supposed to run profits. These aren't publicly traded corporations with stockholders demanding quarterly gains. I'm pleased with the modernization effort taking place on the athletic campus, but at some point we have to ask ourselves when it enough? My block of two season tickets in the endzone of Michigan Stadium will crack the $1000 barrier next season; for the crap slate of games Michigan has scheduled. I've been a season ticket holder for almost 25 years and I can't believe that I'm actually considering giving them up because they aren't worth it anymore. I can't be the only guy in that boat and Brandon should be concerned.
Being "non-profit" doesn't mean you're trying to break even like your grant funded and have to return anything you dont spend, and not get a penny more. It just means that those profits go back into the business, and aren't paid out as dividends.
Take a look at the University as a whole if that's how you want it to run. They're making so much money they're looking for excuses to build new buildings and such. But they're not lowering tuition. And CEO's and administrative costs at all sort of charities are through the roof.
You can talk about it as an ideal, but you're not going to find any others that are run that way either.
If collecting the largest amount of cash for the athletic department is the goal, then there is little to complain about. But if there are other concerns and goals, then yes there is considerable one can complain about.
Let's pick on the students--many of whom are there, but squeezed in down low, some who show up late, and others who don't show for crappy D2 games. Unlike many alumni who dump bad games on friends or office staff, students likely can't give those tickets away. And I suspect the attendance of many here wasn't as good as a student as one remembers--and this board isn't likely a cross-section of the average fan, whose intensity may not match those here.
Rather than the students, I believe the corporatization of Michigan football is thelong-term problem. Like professional sports, the boxes and the best seats are now going to people merely because they can afford them (with donations), whether or not they are genuine fans or alumni. People who are oftentimes writing their tickets off as a "business expense".
Let's just get rid of those free-loading students and the reminder of the college experience they bring to each game.
If Brandon keep increasing ticket prices the number of people pissed off at Brandon will drastically increase. Count me among the people PO'ed at Brandon. It has nothing to do with supporting an underperformer like Rich Rod.
Jesus Christ people, you all want top facilites, top payed assistant coaches, more varsity sports added and facilities upgrades for non-revenue sports and you would throw a hissy fit if Brandon ever turned to the biggest untapped resource, ads in the stadium. How do you expect the athletic department to raise more funds for these projects without raising ticket prices? It is like half this blog is living in some fantasy land.
I for one would prefer to see ads in the stadium over raised ticket prices but if that can't happen they need to continue to raise revenues to keep up, ohio already spends more on their football program than we do and if you don't think spending money increases recruiting and performance than you haven't been paying attention to football or basketball recently.
I, for one, would prefer that the AD not employ 28 staff members with law degrees as athletics support staff and pay 15-20M/yr on coaching staff salaries.
all this money is going into 2 things: facilities and the staffing of these facilities
I don't know that many people were clamoring for more varsity sports to be added, and I know quite a few alums who were unhappy with the addition of the suites.
belong to Bill Martin, the "bricks and budgets" AD.
If it means paying less for football tickets then yes I would, one is an aesthetic thing, the other actually could impact my ability to get into the stadium on a regular basis. I'm sorry I care more about being in the stadium to see football than whether or not the entire screeen is free of ads.
Personally I would prefer introducing ads and holding ticket prices steady to maintaining the ban on ads and continuing with the ticket price increases.
I don't think, however, that this is a realistic choice. I doubt including ads would have much impact one way or the other on ticket prices.
Your comment is pure speculation.
Yes, but your comment about going to a bar and meeting some randoms that are mad at Brandon is not really scientific proof either.
But look at my mgoblog record of not trolling or being stupid and weigh that for what it's worth. Given that it's not much and I wouldn't trust a random internet person either. We are all speculating to a certain degree, but the ticket costs have gone up and it has cost many loyal fans their ability to hold season tickets. If people don't think Bacon's book was balanced then that's on them, but I think it's funny that Hoke comes on board and starts winning and many fans change their tone on certain topics.
Rodriguez was portrayed as someone who had temper tantrums and as someone who seemed to create almost a paranoid atmosphere of "us against them" as scandals were happening. Bacon goes into brutal detail on how Rodriguez could have handled several things better, and ultimately it was the losing that cost Rodriguez his job along with his inability to unite the fanbase, and I liked him but knew it was time for change.
I am, however, unwilling to exonerate certain Michigan personalities who were sources of dissent during Rodriguez's tenure. It's amazing how many people who were pointing fingers one way have done a 180 because Michigan is seemingly on the right track. I rooted for the team throughout and there are some who didn't who will never answer for their crimes because of winning. Some Michigan fans are no better than the blitheringly blind fans who reside to the south....
Well, it didn't help that after his book was published, Bacon got banished to the far back corner of the press box next to (no joke) Michael Rosenberg.
I definitely I have heard this before, but from what I remember it later came out that Bacon's new spot in the press box was blown a bit out of proportion as his movement came as a natural shift for many other media people as well, correct?
For such a great writer that he is with Michigan history, man does he whine a lot.
News for ya Johnny boy, the days of Michigan playing a schedule of nothing but power conference teams in non conf are long gone. That didn't start with Dave Brandon.
It was Bill Martin that scheduled all 3 of Michigan's FCS opponents.
It was Joe Roberson who scheduled the first MAC team since the 40s in 1995 with Miami University.
EVERY school loads up on lower tier programs on their schedule. Been going on for over a decade. Isn't stopping anytime soon.
lolwut? Have you seen other school's schedules?
Next year's home schedule is arguably worse than msu's this year. It IS that bad.
for someone to twist this back to a RichRod thread. Nice reach.
So, exactly how was RR supposed to "perform" when LC and his minions gutted the roster, and then ran around telling local recruits not to go to Michigan? It's amazing that people are still whining about RR, even when he has been gone for so long. Maybe "Butterfield" should change his name to "Spartyfield."
documentation to the contrary?
Asking him to prove a negative is weak sauce.
What did he say that was irrelevant? It's a valid argument. You must not have a rebuttal. Carr is partly to blame for the drop in Michigan football relevance. He stopped recruiting towards the end of his career. Look at the roster and tell me I'm wrong. Let's run the spread during his last game of the years just to say, "I can do it too!" If RR had the support and one more year, MGoBlog would be singing an entirely different song.
and your version is completely revisionist and contrary to the facts that recruiting has been tanking during Carr's final years.
you proffer a provocative (and in this instance, essentially off-topic) comment, and then act shocked when someone disagrees or calls you on it. And then you dare accuse that person of being the troll.
Underperformers with no team and no support? Perhaps you should read 3 & Out before you call someone a underperformer.
Michigan will always be Michigan. If one student doesn't come, I assure you there are two others that will gladly take that seat.
Yes because that was really how it went last year...
Well those two others didn't exactly have tickets, did they? No, because the one who didn't bother to show up had it instead.
The student section fits 20,000. There is no way those other '' two'' had no way of getting in to the game if they desperately wanted to be there.
How about those other "two" random people who wanted seats in the stadium? Those students didn't have student tickets or didn't have access to other tickets. It's pretty simple.
Those other two students were too busy "pre-gaming" with Pat Stansik and missed the pre-game and kick off.
Pre-gaming with Pat is everything that is wrong with the Michigan football student section.
I think this was sarcasm
''Because tickets are so expensive now, and games take so long, the current students didn’t go when they were kids – which is when you get hooked on the band flying out of the tunnel and the players touching the banner.''
For real? The current seniors would've been 13-14 when we last won the big ten title and 15-16 during the game of the century.
I was 14 for The Game 06 and I still remember where I was when I found out Bo had passed.
You're going to be a senior? Ok maybe I was off since I was 12 in 2006.
Bacon's argument here is really thin. I know he grew up in Ann Arbor so he went to a lot of games as a kid, but thousands of students (both in-state and out-of-state) attended their very first Michigan game just a few short days after their parents dropped them off for Welcome Week.
I don't think whether you went to games as a kid really determines future fandom, it means that you lived within driving distance and someone you knew (family, friends) had an affinity for Michigan football.
I really do enjoy his writing and Three and Out was a very well-written book, but he does whine too much about how better thing were in the past. Sometimes I think he just needs to, as Don Draper says, "Move Forward"
Don Draper, Mike Valenti, Pat Caputo are all douchebags
I was just comforting Mrs Rosen Sunday night. Get over it.
disagrees with you. DB's stated purpose for the mascot, jet-pack man, parachuting the football in, etc. is to excite and engage the next generation of Michigan football fan. Can't say there are that many non-affiliated young kids sitting in $95 seats, but you never know.
For students, Brandon has nothing to do with it. Tickets are priced perfect for students. Diehard students will buy them no matter what almost and the ones who think they are too expensive most likely won't go to the games let alone get there early
What exactly is a diehard student?
What do you think all these posters were when they were in college (the ones that went to UM)?
The gallows of 16th century England. Hanging was a very slow and painful death as most times your neck would not break and you would just dangle there until you we're strangled. Men could elect to hire or have their family hire groups of young boys to attach themselves to the legs of the hangee to increase the likelihood of a quick death by broken neck. This was considered "dying easy." Dying hard then meant that you may dangle there for a long time. It was kind of a last f**k you to your punishers as it was a long ordeal and the crowd would often plead and sympathize with the victim.
They would actually hire boys? There you go Ferbert, you could have done this during college to pay for tickets too
You were a ghost while in college? How did that go over with your roommate?
This. Unfortunate, but true. What Bacon points out also is this crowd did not grow up on going to games like many of us did.
Get a job while you're a student if the games mean that much to you. I worked in a dining hall freshmen year solely for that purpose.
Stop drinking at the bar and drink at home. Problem solved.
I must've forgotten that going out and finding a good company to co op with on my part turned me into Sack Lodge from Wedding Crashers.
Although im a grad, I still have the honor of sitting in the student section. Maybe its because general admission sitting works in my favor I havent really given it much thought. If you want good seats, show up early. Ive been doing it for years, but now I will finally get rewarded for it. I thought Bacon's article brought up some good points, mostly about our cupcake out of conference games.
This seems more rant and less coherent/convincing argument...
I can't recall which comment, but someone said that John U. Bacon only supports underperformers - Rich Rod and the students. What would the game day atmosphere be like without the students? As a rising senior at Michigan, I wholeheartedly feel that we make the crowd what it is. Between the 20s are old and lifeless ticket holders that make as much noise as a passed out kid at Phi Psi. The Big House would be very dull without the passion and cheering the students add to the gameday experience. Furthermore, the students, especially Seniors and Juniors, are very upset with the GA seating. Although I will be at the game (haven't missed a home game since 2004), it wouldn't surprise me if a bunch of students don't show up in a rebellious act. Should be interesting. A lot of fights may break out between upper and lower classmen as many 2014 and 2015 feel entitled to be seated closer to the field.
Anyone who starts a fight because they feel "entitled" to seats should be banned from the stadium for the rest of their academic career. It's childish and unbecoming a college student.
that entitlement attitude will do wonders for the students when they enter the workplace.
GET OFF MY LAWN!
I can't comprehend why it's so difficult to stop drinking 20-40 minutes sooner and get to the game on time. No argument could convince me that that last hour is so important. I have no sympathy.
Sorry but that conclusion was reached long before the article was written and long before the topic even came up.
You know where i watched the Game my freshman year in 1995? Yup, my parents couch in NJ because it was thanksgiving weekend. Didn't get to see biakabatuka run for 300 plus yards cause I was home for thanksgiving. Our student tickets also didn't include the UVa game because it was before the school term started. So Bacon can spare me the shit he is slinging that its all Brandon's fault for chasing the mighty dollar.
I see no issue for GA. Maybe the seniors have a legit beef but its really not a big deal. I think I sat in my actual seats like twice as a student. Hopefully all the loud, crazy fans will be closer to the field ad will make it louder. Not to mention hopefully it'll cure the awful bottleneck getting to the seats. It shouldn't take 25 min to go from concourse to seats.
I feel zero sympathy towards any student except the diehard juniors and seniors who show up early. They're the ones getting screwed, but the student body as a whole has no one to blame but itself.
This isn't the Greek community's fault, as much as I've heard people try to go that route. This isn't Dave Brandon's fault. Its the student body's collective fault. Because they thought chugging those last 5 beers were more important that showing up on time. As a recent grad who pregamed before every game and still managed to show up early for the games, turning on the TV at kickoff and seeing a half-empty student section pissed me off.
If you don't want to show up on time? Fine. Sell your tickets to someone who will. There's thousands of alums out there who will buy your tickets, show up early, and stay well after the game is done.
It is Pre-Gaming with Pat's fault for glorifying binge drinking.
There we go, we now have a scape goat.
I'm more pissed that ticket costs have risen at fairly extreme rates over the past few years...
I couldn't care less about General Admission, but if that's your remedy for getting higher attendance, how about drop the cost a little bit?
I am going to get them regardless, but it's still annoying
with the later kickoff times for most games, plenty of time to party and get to the game on time.
simply it is all about priorities. if the games are important to you, then you get there early.
the students not showing up at the first game just hurts yourself and insults your classmates and team.
I wonder how the players actually feel about it as well. That's something I'd love to get the opportunity to ask. How do you feel about your fellow students not showing up on time to see you play but the rest of the stadium has no problem?
What does the 'U' stand for in John U. Bacon?