John U. Bacon article on decreasing student attendance and game experience at Mich. Stadium

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Thought this was a pretty interesting read, makes some vaild points on why students are frustrated and not showing up and why the game day experience should be more for what the fan pays. What are your thoughts?

http://johnubacon.com/2014/06/the-real-reasons-why-students-and-others-are-bailing-on-michigan-football-tickets/

umumum

June 6th, 2014 at 12:42 PM ^

part of the reason other BCS schools are also experiencing declining student attendance is because they are doing the same stupid shit we are.  No one is saying that Brandon is the only misguided AD out there---it just that he's ours.

GoBLUinTX

June 6th, 2014 at 9:43 AM ^

At the turn of the century 14 years ago.

http://tmd.pub.umich.edu/content/football-ticket-prices-going

"Martin announced the price hike and highlighted other parts of the plan including seating restructuring at yesterday"s meeting of the University Board of Regents. Yesterday evening, Martin also sent an e-mail to University students highlighting the changes.

Additionally, Martin said, the University soon plans to take measures to make sure student tickets are not being sold for profit.

"When I was a student I had to show my ID. That is coming again. Trust me," Martin said. "It just turns me sideways when I turn on eBay and see all these tickets for sale, and you look at the section number and you know those are student seats."

So let's not pretend this is a new phenomenon, or the fault of Dr. Dave Evil.  I think Bill Martin is giving us a clue as he complains about the secondary market.  He was upset that the stadium was being filled by non-students as students sold their tickets on the secondary market.  

Well hello, that's been the case since I started attending 40 years ago while in HS.  Student ticket sales are a function of the secondary market and they always have been.  If the team is a national contender and plays meaningful homegames student will snap those tickets up so they can resell them at a tremendous profit.  

Want to sell more student tickets, first be a national contender.  Second, have decent home schedules.  Third, stop worrying about who is sitting in the seat, make the tickets annoymous so they can be readily sold on the secondary market.

ryanfourmayor

June 6th, 2014 at 9:46 AM ^

lower the student ticket prices, give them free WiFi so they can post during the game. Social media is the best advertisement to get other students there.

lbpeley

June 6th, 2014 at 9:49 AM ^

watches every game religiously with other non-alums, I can say it's propbably the 60" TV effect for us. We go to one game a year but it's becoming more of a "duty" now. We don't want to break our 12 year string.

We don't care about the band but we do hate the rawk music and extra noisy bullshit on the big screen every second play is not in motion. We also really don't mind the ticket price or the price of the concessions, but even for us something about the experience from when we started this thing 12 years ago to now is vastly different. I can't imagine how pissed I'd be if I'd actually attended the school and/or was getting bent over as a long time season ticket holder.

Indiana Blue

June 6th, 2014 at 9:52 AM ^

DB has really accomplished in a positive frame regarding the football Saturday experience.  

He has imparted more regulations than any previous AD that I can think of ... water @ $4.50, the seat cusion debacle, closing an entire gate for students only, cost for university football parking increasing every year.  He screwed the home crowd with the Jerry Jones bowl with Alabama and continues to treat the U of M student like shit.

Can anyone think of a positive change that is now a part of a Michigan football Saturday ?

Go Blue!

 

Real Tackles Wear 77

June 6th, 2014 at 9:53 AM ^

I generally enjoy John Bacon's writing but he is increasingly acting like a jilted lover. Constantly trying to get revenge on the AD which has marginalized him in the wake of his latest book, he just plain hates Brandon and it shows. This piece is nothing.

mgolund

June 6th, 2014 at 10:01 AM ^

I've had alumni season tickets since 2009. I gave them up last year for a few reasons, all of which Bacon has touched on:

  • They are really expensive - with PSLs plus per game ticket prices, it is very expensive, and my seats were amongst the cheapest;
  • I live out of state, so I would attend one game a year and sell the remaining tickets. Because of a weak product plus a really pitiful schedule, I often had to sell tickets for well below face value. Thus, the actual cost of me attending one game was many many times above face value (excluding travel)
  • The in-stadium experience now is no different than a NFL game. I don't want a commercialized product. 
  • Because the in-stadium experience is totally commercial, I'd rather watch the game on my giant TV, drink some beer, enjoy the air conditioning, and mute the commercials (or flip to another game).

I might be willing to put up with the prices and commercialization if Michigan were winning 11 games a year, but I really doubt it. At the end of the day, it'd be more economical for me to buy tickets to the one game I want to attend on Stubhub and not get saddled with a bunch of dead weight.

dahblue

June 6th, 2014 at 10:15 AM ^

I haven't found a lot of occasions to agree with Bacon, but I'm on board with this piece 100%.  Brandon has been screwing with the non-student season ticket holders since he got here and last year he sealed his fate with the students as well.  

I think Bacon says it best (and now I paraphrase so as not to add even more traffic to shut his site) when he (approximately) says that Brandon is trying to make Michigan football just like any NFL game when Michigan fans love Saturdays because it isn't a generic NFL experience.

Mgoblue2011

June 6th, 2014 at 10:17 AM ^

I'm a current student. People don't go because they'd rather get up, get bombed, go get some food, and go to sleep/watch it on their couch instead of standing in the stadium and watching the team suck. Now don't get pissed at me, I go to every game and cheer my ass off. But I also didn't buy student tickets for the upcoming year. Instead of buying student tickets I decided I would just spend literally 30 seconds before the game looking for someone at my tailgate who's too drunk to go. Give them 10-20 bucks and save 50-75% on the ticket. It's that simple. Students get very, very drunk on game days, and the product these last few years just hasn't been good enough to change their minds and make them into rabid football fans (keep in mind, 50% of students are from outside of Michigan, and didn't grow up as huge michigan football fans). That's the unfortunate truth and it needs to change, student indifference to the football team has got to be at an all time high currently.

Wendyk5

June 6th, 2014 at 10:43 AM ^

When I was a student, we kicked ass on the field. And most people got drunk after the game. We packed them in, stood the entire game, and went to every game. If we were winning now, there would be no need for all this other stuff. I'm not a season ticket holder and live out of town, but this is the first season where I'm not considering coming to a game. I can just see them in Evanston when they play Northwestern. The level of excitement is pretty low for me right now. 

MLaw06

June 6th, 2014 at 11:02 AM ^

This is the truth! 

Most students are new fans and don't feel a need to be there in the stands if the team is losing.  Call them fair-weather, but they are just optimizing their free time.  Drink and party with girls or watch a team lose; students are choosing the former.  Bacon is right on the conclusion, but wrong on the primary cause - which is essentially that students have limited cash and time and they want to spend it on having fun, drinking and partying.

Avant's Hands

June 6th, 2014 at 11:19 AM ^

I've never quite gotten this. You have all night and sometimes afternoon to drink. There are seven days a year where you can take it easy in the morning and party later. The game meant more to me than getting plastered by noon. However I was an 03-06 student and grew up a Michigan fan. Maybe I just don't understand the casual fan

UMGooch

June 6th, 2014 at 10:22 AM ^

Is anyone attributing declining attendance partially to the Michigan brain drain? In particular between 2008 and recently when auto companies (and pretty much all other Detroit-area companies) weren't hiring, alums had to leave the state to find work. I'm sure that's always been happening, but of the major group of people I graduated with in 2009, most of them left Michigan and aren't buying season tickets. At best, we make it back for one game a season, but even that is a stretch.

MLaw06

June 6th, 2014 at 11:04 AM ^

No... you don't need a brain to attend a game.  Just a body to fill a seat.  There are plenty of non-alums who attend the games so the diaspora of alums should only have a minimal effect.

taistreetsmyhero

June 6th, 2014 at 10:48 AM ^

if michigan is competing for big ten titles every year, then attendance is not an issue.

current students have either seen one good year, or none at all. and since more and more students are from out-of-state and therefore not as inclined to be michigan football fans before coming, all they know is the current mediocre product.

michigan basketball is equally commercialized, and there is no attendance problem there.

MLaw06

June 6th, 2014 at 11:09 AM ^

This is the truth.  New students are young kids who are not indoctrinated in Michigan sports.  They spend their time playing Candy Crush, sending snapchats and drinking.  They don't sit around all day on MGoBlog worrying about the football team (except for Michigan Devotee).  Therefore, when there is even the slightest negative stimulus, like a losing season or increasing prices or a weaker home schedule or cold weather or clouds or a hangover or a midterm or a chance to hook up with some hot mess than they are not going to attend the game. 

Once the team starts winning again, the stands will be full again and all of these worries will evaporate like your next paycheck.

Wolverine Devotee

June 6th, 2014 at 8:40 PM ^

This.

I really dislike my generation.

I hate being even associated with that group who is oohed and ahhed by the newest thing only to lose interest in it 5 minutes later.

No affiliations, no ties. Just moving to the next "in" thing.

Ugh. 

Doc Brown

June 6th, 2014 at 11:20 AM ^

Yeah no. I was raised on michigan through the 80's and 90's. Wins will not bring me back. Only the removal of the constant commercialized product will bring me back. Michigan football is NOT a product. It is a tradition not to be sold. For all I complained about Bill Martin, he was correct. Just because you can charge more doesn't mean you should.

KBLOW

June 6th, 2014 at 11:41 AM ^

 I feel the same way.  This quote at the end of Bacon's piece from his friend really summed it up for me:     Michigan athletics used to feel like something we shared.  Now it’s something they hoard. Anything of value they put a price tag on.  Anything that appeals to anyone is kept locked away—literally, in some cases—and only brought out if you pay for it.  And what’s been permanently banished is any sense of generosity.

Mabel Pines

June 7th, 2014 at 8:52 AM ^

I'm reading everyone's responses and keep thinking "explain basketball"!!  Also loud music and commercialized as well.  Just admit you don't want to go because we stink.  If you are labeled fair weathered, so be it.  Who cares?  It's hard to watch a crappy team.  We all know it.  Anyone enjoying the Tigers lately?  Like Tai says, quit blowing hot air.  And a lot of  people don't mind the changes he's made.  I don't love them all, but I don't expect them to change everything to MY liking.  come on.

MGoArchive

June 6th, 2014 at 10:47 AM ^

In Brandon's defense, $100 million will be put into new non-revenue sport facilities. UofM prides itself on having Olympic caliber varsity level teams, they think it raises the prestige of the school. Here's the problem though - attendance levels and fundraising at non-revenue sports is not covering the operating costs and future costs for facility improvements!

 
If the athletic department thinks its within it's mission for football to subsidize Olympic caliber facilities for all these non-revenue sports, then it needs to solicit funding from former athletes of those non-revenue teams. They've treated the football fans as consumers (instead of fans) - consumers are then more apt to vote with their dollar. His strategy is wrong. He needs to subsidize the operating expenses of non-revenue sports by fundraising from alums of that group - not diluting the experience for football fans.

Zoltanrules

June 6th, 2014 at 11:04 AM ^

The taking the "customer" for granted has been going on at the Big House and at the University itself for some time. A2 has become a money grab led by the MBA smartest guys in the room.

Fiscal responsibility is an abstract thought. The mantra is get bigger, don't cut ,spend more, pay for it by charging fans and students more because they will. We are Michigan!

I am a two time UM grad who has a child applying to colleges. It is very interesting to see how UM markets itself versus MSU. UM needs to get over itself, and stop taking students, alums, and fans for granted.

You don't have to take Marketing 101 to understand that people have choices with their time and money and will spend it where THEY THINK they get the most value.

Doc Brown

June 6th, 2014 at 11:11 AM ^

Bacon touches on the exact reasons I dropped my season tickets. It want for a winning team, hell I am a cubs fan and a Purdue alum. So, I am used to losing. I dropped my tickets because Brandon made the "privilege" of being a Michigan season ticket holder a complete sham. Football games are just an excuse for Brandon to drive up donations. He lost me as a season ticket holder during the infamous MMB rent the big house for weddings show. Beyoncé, 7 dollar hot dogs, laser shows are not the michigan difference.

UMCoconut

June 6th, 2014 at 11:33 AM ^

That said, win games and most of the displeasure goes away.  When you are stuck in a perpetual state of mediocrity, people tend to find any and everything they can to complain about.  Just win games and beat rivals and this stuff recedes back to the fringes again.

mjv

June 6th, 2014 at 3:15 PM ^

No, winning doesn't fix everything.  There are a lot of schools that would have killed to have what Michigan used to have.  USC and Miami are two schools that have fans show up when times are good, but when times a poor they empty out.  

A streak of 100,000 fans going back alomost 40 years is about something far more lasting than just having a winning season.

GoBLUinTX

June 6th, 2014 at 9:01 PM ^

There is one reason that Michigan started filling the stadium in the 1970s, winning games. Michigan football games at Michigan Stadium were fun because Michigan was always winning.  There was no other reason to go to the stadium other than to watch the team win.  They certainly weren't filling the stadium prior to 1969...what changed?  Nothing changed aside from the W-L records.  

After the 1970s, and Michigan wins started to slide, there was always the hope that Good Ol' Bo will get it figured out, just wait.  When Moeller and Carr took over they were seen as extensions of Bo with the same outlook.  Don't worry about those 8-4 seasons, they'll get it turned around.  People believed, what with 1997 and beating OSU on a regular basis being a good reason to believe.  Crappy records, crappy football, and crappy schedules is what is no longer enticing.

SurfsUpBlue

June 6th, 2014 at 12:16 PM ^

Bacon's article moves quickly from the subject of low student attendance to (paraphrasing) 'everything I don't like about Brandon and UM football but 'it's not because I lost my press credentials".  Since Bacon's article is all over the place, so are the comments.  Some complain justifiably about the prices for everything, some cannot reconcile the current experience with their traditional view of a MIchigan football experience (Beyonce, etc.).  Some point to the shitty home schedule and the recent records.  Tossed aside by Bacon is the availablability of HD television.  There are many moving parts in this problem, whether you define it as student attendance or attendance.  The change away from the seniority student model didn't just come out of Brandon's ass, it was an attempt to address the problem of students showing up late, which many here bitched about. It, obvioiusly, spectacularly failed (like the sky writing over Lansing). I don't even know what goals Brandon is trying to meet or who set them.  From far outside, it looks like maximizing short term revenue it the primary goal.  I guess the idea is that we want to win, so we need a lot of money to attract coaches, athletes, etc.  That is not the same as a goal of meeting the wants  and needs of students, or alumni or television networks or televison viewers.  I don't know who makes the decisions about what Brandon is ultimately supposed to be accomplishing, but it appears to be short term revenue maximization.  He is satisfying that goal.  I think it is the wrong goal and long-term loyalty is far more important.  The students rated seating as their most important issue.  That is the place to start, but it is only a small part of the problem.  As others noted, many good programs (not to mention the NFL) are experiencing declining attendance.  I agree that the outside-in approach is best (I forget what they called it when I took marketing classes in 1974, but it certainly existed and was promoted by professors).  It might be easier to focus on these problems with a few less variables (after the sucky schedule and sucky recent record).  Ultimately, however, I don't know what Brandon's goal is, satisfying students or alumni or TV audiances or just throwing anything against the wall and hoping it makes everybody happy or pisses everybody off, but gains revenue.  

blueblueblue

June 6th, 2014 at 12:27 PM ^

Once I forced myself to read his annoying one-line sentences (did he teach this in his class?), all I took away was a collection of lines that are loosely connected to each other, all trying to make some larger point that its the AD's fault in addition to technology. Which made it all feel like the workings someone who feels he as been wronged by "the system." Next thing you know, Bacon is going to be sending special packages in the mail to the AD. 

steve sharik

June 6th, 2014 at 1:02 PM ^

  1. I actually like Martin's idea of students getting in free.  Check IDs at the door.  First come, first served.  The downside of having to show up so early is offset by the upside of paying $0.  The problem with GA seating at M stadium is that the size of the seats is for an ass the size of a grade schooler.  When you don't give people an actual seat, they'll choose to sit comfortably (shock!) and 21,000 students won't fit into those 21,000 "seats."  So the remedy there would be to have individual chair-back seats as opposed to boundaryless bleachers.  Can't get 115K attendance?  Add more rows to the top.
  2. As to branding, I'd be willing to bet Canham thought and maybe even talked about branding all the time, but I'd be willing to double down that he never referred to Michigan Athletics as such in public or the press.
  3. More about branding: the first step is to determine what you want the brand to mean in the hearts and minds of consumers.  I think DB would even agree that means "tradition, honor, integrity, and excellence," or something along those lines.  Once you make that determination, all marketing executions should communicate that to the consumer.  In my opinion, most of what has been going on lately communicates quite the opposite.
  4. Clearly, intercollegiate athletics is a service-based product, and not a manufactured, tangible one.  In service marketing, being consistently successful means giving consumers a "wow" experience; i.e., they get a lot more than they expect.  By definition, that means you give a lot of the surplus value to the consumer and not try to put as much of that into your own coffers as possible.

GoBLUinTX

June 6th, 2014 at 9:09 PM ^

But actually your questions are answered if you take a moment to understand that DB instiuted the changes that brought Domino's out of the duldrums and left just after they relaunched the new pizza recipies.  The new Pizza's started selling between Thanksgiving and Christmas of 2009, DB came on board with Michigan a couple of months later in 2010.

ndscott50

June 7th, 2014 at 3:15 PM ^

Not a Brandon fan but it looks like the stock was growing prior to 2007 when the overall market fell apart. Strong growth post 2009 would match the overall markets growth. A comparison of performance to similar stocks, or same store sales growth vs. papa johns, would be a better measure of performance.

I would note that the our Pizza used to suck campaign appeared to be a significant rebranding effort post Brandon which would call in to question his Brand approach while CEO. Was the switch his plan that was implemented after he left? If so it would support his image as a strong brand manager. If they immediately abandoned his approach when he exited not so much

ca_prophet

June 6th, 2014 at 1:55 PM ^

Is one that worries me too: http://mgoblog.com/content/unverified-voracity-goes-family-circus#comme… Regardless of any specific policy issues, treating your customers as nothing but a wallet makes them think of your product as a product with no value beyond the economic exchange. If you don't treat your customers as participants in the shared delusion of rooting for laundry, then don't be surprised when they tell you that the laundry across the street has better players for cheaper, or that it's easier to buy a new shirt.