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John Beilein's most important recruit at M?

For me this is a tough question. I want to say Trey Burke and this is the way I am leaning, because without Trey they don't win a share of the BIG Title last season. Ok I will go with Burke.

Other top candidates IMO:

Manny Harris - Manny was in Beilein's first class and it was important to get Manny to remain committed to M

Zack Novak - I could easily choose Novak over Burke. Zack personified the program in his 4 fantastic years with the program. Novak was a major part of laying the groundwork of what is now one of the best basketball programs in the country.

Darius Morris - Beilein's first **** recruit, a kid from the west coast who helped M sweep MSU in his last season with the Wolverines

Mitch McGary - Beilein's first recruit to opt for the Wolverines over the top national programs like Duke, Carolina and Kentucky.

EDIT: overlooked Coltan Christian and added to 2010. I used RIvals list and he's not on it, but is on the Scout list.

The Candidates:

2007  
Name Pos
Kelvin Grady PG
Corperryale Harris SG
Martell Webb SF
   
2008  
Name Pos
Robin Benzing PF
Ben Cronin C
Stuart Douglass SG
Zack Novak SF
   
2009  
Name Pos
Blake McLimans PF
Jordan Morgan PF
Darius Morris PG
Matt Vogrich SG
   
2010  
Name Pos
Tim Hardaway SG
Jon Horford PF
Evan Smotrycz SF
Coltan Christian PF
2011  
Name Pos
Max Bielfeldt PF
Carlton Brundidge SG
Trey Burke PG
   
2012  
Name Pos
Spike Albrecht PG
Mitch McGary C
Glenn Robinson III SF
Nick Stauskas SG
Caris Levert SG
   
2013  
Name Pos
Mark Donnal PF
Zakarie Irvin SG
Derrick Walton  PG

 

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December 4th, 2012 at 1:23 PM | Asst coach Bacari Alexander (Score:5 Normal)
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I think he's great, except his twitter blitzs'

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December 4th, 2012 at 1:41 PM | #HALOL (Score:5 Normal)
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#HALOL

USING GRATUITOUS AMOUNTS OF CAPS LOCK SINCE APRIL 2011

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December 4th, 2012 at 1:23 PM | Zak Irvin (Score:-1 Overrated)
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Could turn out to be the all time scoring leader. In other words, who the hell knows who the most important recruit is?

"Better to have died as a small boy than to fumble this football" -- John Heisman

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December 4th, 2012 at 3:01 PM | I rated this as "insightful" (Score:2 Normal)
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I rated this as "insightful" because I think everyone needs to be reminded that discussions like these are neither interesting nor fun.

/s

 

 

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December 4th, 2012 at 3:40 PM | Remove (Score:-1 Overrated)
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the /s and you'd be 100% correct. ;)

"Better to have died as a small boy than to fumble this football" -- John Heisman

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December 4th, 2012 at 1:24 PM | One name... (Score:1 Normal)
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David Brandon.  

If a coach doesn't "recruit" DB, he or she is in for a short and stress-filled tenure.

 

 

 

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December 4th, 2012 at 1:24 PM | Bacari Alexander, Jeff Meyer, (Score:5 Normal)
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Bacari Alexander, Jeff Meyer, and LaVall Jordan

“When your team is winning, be ready to be tough, because winning can make you soft. On the other hand, when your team is losing, stick by them. Keep believing” - Bo Schembechler

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December 4th, 2012 at 1:49 PM | agree (Score:1)
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stole my thunder!

 

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December 4th, 2012 at 1:57 PM | Nicely done (Score:1)
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And I agree wholeheartedly

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December 4th, 2012 at 4:21 PM | Agree 100%. (Score:1)
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Beilein's staff is collectively and individually awesome and a huge factor in how this team plays.

A lot of great kids have been brought in and, IMHO, Coach B's biggest recruit won't be known until their careers are over at Michigan and in full swing at the next level.  I can see GR III blowing up in the NBA and impacting future UM recruits.

"Do not disturb my circles."
 

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December 4th, 2012 at 1:24 PM | D Mo (Score:4 Normal)
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Started the new era of legitimacy around the country among AAU types

What? No gravy?

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December 4th, 2012 at 1:26 PM | Novak--He really did a lot (Score:5 Normal)
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Novak--He really did a lot for this program and got us through some rough years. I don't know if the team would be in the same place today without him. He spent four years in the Beilein system and helped change the culture of the program.

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December 4th, 2012 at 1:41 PM | What rough years? (Score:5 Normal)
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Novak and Co. won a tourney game in their first season and went to the dance three times in four years.  They went through the most successful run Michigan has had in a very long time.  It looks like things may get even better but I would hardly characterize those years as rough.

It is spelled HOKEAMANIA.  Our coach is an ass-kicking American citizen, not one of the Beatles, for Christ's sake!

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December 4th, 2012 at 2:42 PM | That's a good point. I guess (Score:2)
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That's a good point. I guess it just seemed rough because it felt like we had no star players. Harris was perpetually underperforming, Morris was good but we didn't really have any other weapons. Novak and Douglass just always seemed like the glue that held those teams together and made the Tourny runs possible.

I think Novak also catalyzed the culture shift to high energy/team basketball that has been fundamental for the team's success, with his leadership aneurysms and whatnot. This is obviously all just subjective though.

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December 4th, 2012 at 1:48 PM | Great role player and versatile athlete (Score:1)
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but totally reliant on Harris, Morris, and Burke to do the heavy-lifting.

This is like arguing Rob Horry was the most important Spur

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December 4th, 2012 at 1:53 PM | he was (Horry) when they were down (Score:2 Normal)
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with 3 seconds left and needed a 3pter

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December 4th, 2012 at 2:01 PM |   Sheeed, noooooooooo, (Score:5 Normal)
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Sheeed, noooooooooo, don’t leave him Sheeeeeeedddddd……!!!!

"I love him, he's a great coach, he's a great mentor, he's a great friend. He's every single thing you want a college coach to be, and he does it flawlessly." -David Molk

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December 4th, 2012 at 1:51 PM | Did you post something? (Score:4 Normal)
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I can't seem to focus on anything other than your avatar....

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December 4th, 2012 at 1:25 PM | Mike Farrell (Score:1)
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Mike Farrell

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December 4th, 2012 at 1:25 PM | I personally (Score:3 Normal)
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always like Darius.  For the reason he seemed to start the upward trend of higher rated recruits.  He was a great leader and really helped lead this team to being a tournament team and helped bring the excitement around Michigan Basketball again.

This might sound arrogant, and if it is, it is. We’re Michigan.

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December 4th, 2012 at 1:25 PM | Zach Novak He was pivotal to (Score:4 Normal)
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Zach Novak

He was pivotal to laying the foundation like you said. He was also monumental in that game at East Lansing which helped to turn our season around two years ago. Don't make the Tournament that year it's possible recruits eye us as a team that will occasionally make the Tournament as opposed to a Tournament regular.

Everybody has contributed though.

Here's hoping for a bright future. This team does try hard and I will continue to support them.

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December 4th, 2012 at 1:27 PM | Has to be Morris (Score:5 Normal)
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If you look at 2008-2010 the only recruit with any sort of profile was Morris. If he was a bust imagine what would have happened going forward....

AC-1997

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December 4th, 2012 at 1:27 PM | Darius Morris (Score:5 Normal)
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Beilein's first #@%! recruit. (That's how I read it...haha).

 

In all seriousness, Novak. He gave our program its spirit back.

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December 4th, 2012 at 3:01 PM | vogrich (Score:1)
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i remember him as being more highly rated.  but perhaps that was early in the process.  i thought he was a borderline top 100 guy when morris was a 3 star.

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December 4th, 2012 at 5:11 PM | Agreed. Definitely Morris (Score:1)
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With the way Manny went out it was really Morris and to a lesser extent Novak and Douglass that kept the team moving in a positive trajectory. I say lesser b/c Novak and Stu neeeded Morris more than vica-versa.

Morris was the guy who carried the team and made them relevant to future recruits (THjr, Burke..etc...etc). Then its snowballed. More importantly, Morris was NOT a typical Beilein player and shown Beilein's willingness to adapt his style (pick n roll O). This further attracted more high recruit type playerrs since it is a stable in the Pros.

 

Novak and Douglass were key ROLE players but not key RECRUITS. If Morris wasn't on those teams nobody would have ever heard of Novak and Douglass. UM wouldn't be ranked right now either.

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December 4th, 2012 at 1:27 PM | Nathan Brink and it's not (Score:5 Normal)
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Nathan Brink and it's not close.

No, I'll go with Darius Morris.  For some reason, that felt like the signal to other recruits that it's okay for elite prospects to come here, and without Morris we don't have a 2010-11 season that suggests promise going forward.

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December 4th, 2012 at 1:55 PM | Hey man, Brink is from the (Score:4 Normal)
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Hey man, Brink is from the same school I am. He's a good guy.

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December 4th, 2012 at 2:42 PM | Sorry... My post made more (Score:3 Normal)
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Sorry... My post made more sense when there were two Nathan Brink threads right below this one.  Everything I've heard suggests that Brink is a really good guy.

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December 4th, 2012 at 3:06 PM | LOLZ.  I rendered your comedy (Score:1)
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LOLZ.  I rendered your comedy useless.  (FWIW, I got the joke and it was hi-larious.)

 

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December 4th, 2012 at 3:16 PM | On the Larious Chain... (Score:1)
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is hi-larious above ha-larious or below? I can never remember. Guess I should have made flash cards.

Go Blue!

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December 4th, 2012 at 3:27 PM | Well, at the risk of putting (Score:2 Normal)
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Well, at the risk of putting words in Brian's mouth, the ranking in order of MGoImportance is below:

HI-larious  >>>   HILL-arious   >>>   Hilarious

HA-larious does not appear on our charts.

 

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December 4th, 2012 at 1:28 PM | Zack Douglas or Stu Novak (Score:3 Normal)
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One of those two has to be the most important recruit.

Without an adequate foundation, a building can collapse.  If you are not planning on building a foundation for a building then you have to have a lot of money in for perpetual repair work.  

I'm assuming that the vast majority of fans want a program that allows for teams rather than sporadically successful teams.  To build that program you have to start with a foundation.  I don't think that there is any question that Zach and Stu are the most important recruits because they represent the foundation.

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December 4th, 2012 at 1:43 PM | Please... (Score:1 Offtopic)
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...tell us you were trying to be funny and/or make some sort of statement re: their combined importance by transposing the first and last names of the Stu and Zach...

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December 4th, 2012 at 2:47 PM | I'm as serious as manbearpig (Score:3 Normal)
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Also, I'd have to say my favorite player on the team now is Trey Hardaway III.

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December 4th, 2012 at 6:54 PM | wait, (Score:1)
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so you are super cereal right now

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December 4th, 2012 at 1:29 PM | Man, it's remarkable that (Score:2)
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Man, it's remarkable that Coach B has had such great consistency. Each class has had at least one guy who has been a program changer, many of them under the radar.

My pick for most important is Novak. His grit and determination to bring the program forward made it possible to get some of the bigger prospects Coach is now regularly getting.

The swag is back. 

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December 4th, 2012 at 1:35 PM | Mitch Mcgary. (Score:1)
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Mitch Mcgary.

"Are you an official here?Because you've officially given me a boner."

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December 4th, 2012 at 1:35 PM | I think Novak is definitely (Score:3 Normal)
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I think Novak is definitely up there. He's the personification of Coach B's system. The only way I can describe him is as an overachiever. He wasn't the most athletic guy or most talented out there, but he was the toughest and did all of the little things, I almost liked watching Novak take a charge more than draining threes. He's the epitome of how far this program has come.

Novak may be the most important player, but as far as recruiting, I'd have to go with Darius Morris or Tre Burke. Those guys weren't typical Beilein recruits, being so elite, but they were the signal that not only does Michigan have guys like Novak and Douglass, your sharpshooting and hard working guards, but Michigan can attracte elite talent to.

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December 4th, 2012 at 1:36 PM | D "Mr. Right" Morris (Score:3 Normal)
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I would say Darius Morris, an NBA talent choosing M combined with the team/Tournament success he led, gave us some needed legitimacy in the eyes of the recruits we're getting now.  

I wouldn't be mad at Novak though (leadership, gave us a leg up in the Mitch/Spike, GR3 relationships)

"Slappin' the Bass" - Matt Vogrich (maybe)

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December 4th, 2012 at 1:42 PM | I can't believe I'm the first to say this (Score:3 Normal)
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Trey Burke.


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December 4th, 2012 at 1:43 PM | Stu Douglas (Score:2 Normal)
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Stu going for 20 against UCLA for our first big win was pretty huge.  Couple that with him being our best perimeter defender, I'd say he has to be in the discussion as well.

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December 4th, 2012 at 1:47 PM | This one is easy:  Trey (Score:0 Overrated)
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This one is easy:  Trey Burke.  Kid is dynamite and was an overall 3-star.  He goes to Ohio if the white kid isn't there.  Played an instrumental role as THE GUY in getting us our first B1G regular season champ since I can remember.

If you are going by classes, however, this year's freshmen class wins hands down.  I can't find the "miss" in this class.

"to make a complete evaluation off video w/o seeing guys in-person - I don't believe that at all." - Josh Helmholdt

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December 4th, 2012 at 1:48 PM | w/o (Score:2 Normal)
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Morgan, Novak would have been playing the center position instead of power forward.  Without him, Michigan probably doesn't win the B1G or make the tournament. I think there's a good argument for Jordan Morgan

Every man at some point is gonna lose a battle. He's gonna fight and he's gonna lose. But what makes him a man, is that in the midst of that battle he does not lose himself. This game is not over, this battle is not over. So let's hear it .

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December 4th, 2012 at 1:49 PM | Manny Harris (Score:2)
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Keeping him committed was huge because it allowed for our first NCAA Tourney appearance in forever, and showed guys like Darius Morris and our latest recruiting class that the program was on a upswing.

"Relax you panic monger" -Megatron

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December 4th, 2012 at 1:51 PM | It's obvious (Score:1)
Mat
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It's not, but that seems to be the way this thread is going.

To me, it's Morris or Harris.  They really carried a team with marginal talent to overacheive and pushed the program in a positive direction.  I'd give the edge to Harris because he was there longer than Morris and at a more pivital time.

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December 4th, 2012 at 2:42 PM | Manny Harris was not (Score:0 Overrated)
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Manny Harris was not recruited by John Beilein

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December 4th, 2012 at 2:49 PM | Harris originally committed (Score:5 Informative)
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Harris originally committed to Amaker, but he then decomitted after Amaker was fired and Beilein was hired, and he had to be re-recruited by Beilein, after which he committed to Michigan again.

Twitter: @Raoul_000

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December 4th, 2012 at 1:54 PM | I don't know that I can pick (Score:2)
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Sam Webb, though, has said that Morris's success at Michigan showed other PGs that they could thrive with Coach Beilein, and Michigan wouldn't have made the tournament in 2010 w/out him...Novak and Douglass did set the foundation, though, so I don't know.  This is like asking me which of my (fictional) children is my favorite!

It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future. -- Yogi Berra

                         

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December 4th, 2012 at 1:56 PM | I'm going to go with Strauskas (Score:1 Normal)
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I think if he stays for 4 years he has a chance to rewrite the record books.

Manny, Darius, Burke, and GRIII are all fantastic players, but in my book it takes 4 years(Or a national championship)to be a legend.

Omnes i facere est vincere 
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December 4th, 2012 at 2:17 PM | 4 yrs? based on other threads (Score:0 Flamebait)
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4 yrs? based on other threads he might be going pro after this year - after all, potentially better then Glen Rice and Larry Bird (combined). 

/s

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