Is it for real this time? What's the source?
spoiler alert: i linked this
Is it for real this time? What's the source?
Per CNN and ESPN. So...maybe?
We place to much importance as fans on this game at times which leads to alot of unforeseen events. To much emphasis on being the g.o.a.t. Im not blaming anyone but if you honestly think fans dont have an impact on the choices joepa made or didnt make.. Take a look in the mirror. We all share blame, the media, boosters, etc etc. Not sure how i would follow up, say placing it in the hands of authority and letting the system prevail. Just my opinion but the man did alot of great things and its a shame how it ended. Can anyone of us honestly say we would so willingly let go of something our entire life had been focused on?
So he stayed too long. In the scope of lifes great tragedies, this is not one of them. While the man didnt solve world hunger he did have a positive impact on this country, and anyone who tells the president directly to get bent is ok by me. It is what it is but lets not crucify the man. Im not psu fan but i dont buy into the mentality of "fuck him hes just as bad as jerry"
Family said it.
My sympathies to his family and PSU alums and fans.
There is little doubt that, in light of recent events, the nature of his ultimate legacy at PSU will be debated by people (and those events should not be forgotten, of course - nobody here is minimizing the Sandusky scandal and the magnitude of what happened by any means, I think), but it is undeniable that Joe Paterno did much for Penn State and State College, and he will be remembered for his impact on the football program, the school and the community.
Thoughts go out to the Paterno family and the PSU family.
I wonder how the sports world will define Joe Pa's legacy.
The Sandusky Scandal should have little to nothing to do with Paterno's legacy. Paterno should go down as one of the greatest coaches and most influential people in college sports history.
Why would this not affect his legacy? I'm guessing Sandusky's victims and their families don't think too highly of his "legacy"
I'm not going to even diganfy this with an answer. I don't think you deserve one.
Paterno was a great coach, a great man, and today I am going to celebrate his life.
So as long as you win lots of football games and talk the good talk it doesn't matter how many boys get raped? THIS attitude is what's wrong with this whole situation. Putting football before the wellbeing of crime victims. If JoePa was just some guy, he'd get fired, maybe indicted for obstructing justice or perjury at worst, and everyone would call it righteous justice. But he won 409 football games, so we bend over backwards to dub him a great man, celebrating his victories and sweeping his failures under the rug.
JoePa did many very good things in his lifetime. He did at least one very, very bad thing. All of those things will, and should be, part of his legacy. We are who we are when we're faced with a crisis, and JoePa made his choice. I think it's important we never forget the cost of putting reputation and appearances above justice.
May Joe now rest peacefully, and may those who suffered the unspeakable in part because of his failure find justice and peace of their own.
is that people assume they know exactly what happened while investigations are still in progress both within the university and the police. We don't know how much JoePa could have and/or should have done, despite the fact the nation has already made up their mind. That, to me, is one of the biggest tragedies, but unfortunately that is engraved as part of US culture.
Supposedly JoePa reported the incidence to the campus authority (an actual police force), they investigated, and did nothing. Then, he disassociated with Sandusky. Now, maybe that's not the right story, but you nor anyone else in the public knows because JoePa was never allowed to speak publicly about the investigation because it would interfere with the investigation.
All I'm saying is this story isn't finished, so I don't think it's right to vilify JoePa yet. We don't know what actually happened. We don't.
whatever good he may have done will always have an asterisk for the one thing he didn't do.
what he may or may not have done. You, I, nor anyone else on this board knows what happened. We only know what has been spooned-fed to us by the media. The facts will eventually come out, then we can make our judgments.
Exactly! Nobady on this board knows jack shit about what Paterno did or did not do, but we mindlessly listen to the media as if it was absolute. Sadly people the media bend the truth everytime a story is told. Now I do not know if Joe Paterno did the right thing by going to the police and disassociating himself from Sandusky(There are reports that he did and reports that he didn't), but I am going to judge the man's life about what I know is absolutely true, he was a philanthropist, an insperational coach, a great man ( I met him once when I was in high school) and most of all a loving father husband and friend to many. Let's not forget the many many many many many many many many great things he did throughout his life.
Oh yeah meeting Peterno once for no more than 2 minutes is one of the greatest moments of my life. Only surpassed by the birth of my son, day I got Married, and the day I graduated college.
there were 2 people who would upvote this, let alone 5.
Are you the lead detective on the Sandusky Investigation? because if your not don't write on a blog like you know everything that happened. I thought America was based on Innocent until proven guilty. Oh wait Peterno isn't being accused of anything except for the fact that he may or may not have said anything about the Scandal when he found out about what was going on. This is something I am comfortable guaranteeing you do not absolutely know, because if you did you would be the same person you are persecuting Paterno for.
jeez.. will you shut up about it already? You say the same thing in every thread... way to show class by running your mouth about a dead man.
ESPN and CNN are confirming this, they didn't pick up on the Hullabaloo yesterday.
I think he'll be remember for what he did for the university both on an off the football field. Within 10 years, I'd be surprised if many folks remember the Sandusky thing at all. It may have an asterisk or a side note, but I'd be surprised if the history books didn't focus on his wins, the length of his career and the rest of the good things.
A real leader of men would have made sure Sandusky never set foot anywhere near a child again.
Oh wait, Paterno didn't know what rape with a man was. He definitely didn't just let what he knew fade away so as not to cause turmoil in the all important football program. Totally different opinion now that I know that. Never mind, he's all good.
I feel bad for his family and friends and people who knew him. He's done a lot of great things. But when he had a big opportunity to help those who were powerless, he was very small. That's his real legacy.
please link me a source that says Sandusky was forced to retire.
Paterno was the icon in that situation. The living legend, the man running the Grand Experiment, or whatever he called it. While admirably not the venal money-grubber so many coaches are, he was also saddled with great responsibilities if he wanted credit for all that other grandiose talk and what-not. There is just no way that his involvement can be excused by saying, Well, he reported it up the chain of command, what more can you expect him to do?
If he thought is was possible that everything was investigated and handled, and he just never heard anything more about it, then he wanted the whole thing to just go away.
So if you knew a coworker committed an egregious crime, you'd just tell your boss and go on your merry way, assuming everything would work out? A little follow up by JoePa, the most powerful man in Pennsylvania, could have made all the difference.
Not to get overly religious but by way of literary example, I liken JoePa's actions to Pontius Pilate - he did what he was supposed to do, but not all he could have done, and then washe his hands of the whole deal. It's not the actions of a great leader of men.
Still Joe is gone now. I hope he found peace, but also remorse. His death does not wash away his failures, and his failures don't mean his good works meant nothing.
That's a very German way of seeing things. Doing the minimum is not enough, especially in regards to a leader of young men.
No, I expect my self to see the process through and make sure that there is something done about it. Not swept under the rug for 15 yrs. If you were in the same position and you did as he did would you be satisfied with the results? I think not. I feel bad for his family and for everyone that was close and lost him and I hope he rests in peace but to ignore the fact of what happened and his role in it is not fair to all the children involved and to anyone who had ever been monlested.
You don't know what happen. You think you know what happened. Those two things are often quite different.
Football was placed before the safety of kids. That is unforgivable and will always define JoePa. No amount of the "good" he did makes up for that. He was just a football coach. I don't care how many games he won, there is an expectation for the position. He failed when most important.
Also, and for those whose lives have been touched by cancer please do not think I am being insensitive, but an 85 year old man dying of cancer is not sad. It's life. It is life's only guarantee. The fact that he was able to live for 85 years and than had, from a medical sense, a very reasonable degree of time to deal with things is actually desirable in some ways. I am a healthcare practitioner in oncology. I hold people's hands when they die and I comfort the family afterwards. Of course there is a sense of loss, but it is important to distinguish a situation like this from actual sadness. What is "sad" IMO is allowing injustice and inequity to effect those that are powerless.
yet he did nothing to prepare American naval forces(thought he was once was thr assistant Secretary of the Navy) for a Japanese attack.2400 Americans died that day. His sin was much worse than what Joe did and yet many still revere the man. I think it is more than possible that Joe will still be revered by many Americans.
What impacts me right now is how the kids that were abused will deal with that issue for the rest of their lives. Paterno cared more about his precious football program than he did about a bunch of kids. That is a sin I will never forgive him for, which is a shame, because I always respected the guy.
The situations are not analogous. Paterno was told by an eye witness what was occurring between Sandusky and one child. Admittedly, it wasn't a court of law, but I suspect there was little reason to doubt the veractity of what he was told. I also believe that McQueary was not the only one seeing strange behaviour. How can you possibly compare a DUI with sexual child molestation? Children are routinely removed from certain environments, including their homes, if abuse is suspected.
Paterno had a moral and ethical and potentially a legal obligation to follow up on the information that was revealed to him.
If JoePa didn't think what McQuery told him or he didn't believe him, why on earth would he keep him on staff for 10 years?
allow the victims to be forgotten. While I applaud JoePa and his accomplishments, I cannot forgive him for his one and only mistake (that I know of). What he did (or didnt do) is inexcuseable.
I hope God has mercy on his soul, provides peace for his family, and the entire PSU Clan. I just hope that JoePa never called the police to "protect" PSU. I hope I never hear that word during the upcoming trial.
He made a conscious decision each and every day for the better part of a decade to allow a child rapist to remain a part of the PSU football community. He saw him at practices with DIFFERENT children AFTER he heard the 10 yr old shower rape story. It wasn't one mistake. He somehow rationalized in his head that his inaction was morally acceptable. I believe he knew deep down this wasn't true. But he was so blinded by potential ramifications of doing something, he allowed incalculable pain for a dozen or more children and their families.
It's sad he's dead, but don't minimize his transgressions. Unfortunate that he was confronted with a horrific situation that no one else in his progression had to face.
But it has been shown throughout history in similar circumstances many people would do nothing. Kitty Genovese' murder is the most infamous American example. The most despicable example is how Germans living near concentration camps by while people were being slaughtered did or said nothing.
Paterno's inaction was reprehensible and his reputation surely deserves to be tainted. But one ought not to act like what he didn't do was exceptional. It wasn't. Many, many, people throughout history and living today have and will do the same as Joe did--sit back and permit a great evil to be done.
the extent that people will go to be different is just beyond me.
Germans standing by in WWII? Yeah, if they spoke up or had done anything they would have been killed. Or their families might have been killed. You want to wish you'd be different in those situations, but to disagree in Nazi Germany was a death wish. Do you understand that?
What exactly would have happened to Joe Paterno had he followed up? Or confronted Sandusky? Or tried to find out who the victim was? Or went to the police himself? Oh right, nothing along those lines above. The only thing that could have went wrong was PSU football being interrupted by an inconvenient scandal. And we can't have that can we! So sweep it under the rug and hope no one finds out.
Go away and think up some more ridiculous defenses. Then don't come back.
Germans spoke up during the Aktion T-4 program--the euthanization of the mentally ill--and the Nazis stopped the aktion. If Germans and more importantly, the Heer, had reacted negatively to the Holocaust there would have been no Holocaust.The German Army was the state as it is in EVERY country which has a standing army.
In both the PSU scandal and the Holocaust, it was a necessary condition for said events for people to do nothing. If people had reacted morally in either case both tragedies would have been been curtailed. Unfortunately no one did.
They stopped it officially. Plenty of evidence appeared that even more people were killed after the program was "disbanded". They didn't actually stop because of the opposition, they just shrouded it even more secrecy. And who knows if anything happened to the people that opposed. But this isn't the point and I'm not going further into something that isn't on the actual topic.
We're talking about the leader of the PSU football program and one of the most powerful men in the state of Pennsylvania not doing anything. You're acting as if Paterno was just some powerless 18 year old freshman. Is that what you think? He had almost no serious repercussions for getting further involved in this situation and he was one of the people who could have done the most good. He didn't, because he didn't want any distractions at his football program. But hey, keep trying to find excuses. As is said, you know you've completely lost an argument when you start comparing situations to Nazi Germany.
In the end you're just wrong. You know it. I know it. Everyone reading this knows it. You just want to disagree because this is a clear cut situation where there is a proper school of thought and you can't resist the urge to be different.
Is it vigilante to go to the police?
To talk to Sandusky?
To ask people to report if they see any suspcious activity?
No one is saying he had to go Christian Bale on him and that's what's pathetic about people like you and SQ up there: you're defending him like what he had to do was difficult and had terrible repercussions for him personally. Like Sandusky had a bomb strapped to his wife and if he ever tried to do anything to stop Sandusky, the red button was gonna get pushed. Like there was some reason he shouldn't do more. Only there wasn't.
I mean, he said Sandusky wasn't even his friend. That they didn't have a relationship. He didn't even have to worry about that aspect of things.
But let's hear the next defense.
I agree with this. I wanted everyone fired and the school to be bulldozed and made into a horse farm. However, you are making a leap here. I do not know all the facts of the case. Now that JoePa is gone, we may never know the real truth.
I hope and pray that JoePa never knew more than what is public. I hope and pray that what we know is the worst. If there is anymore details to come, JoePa's legacy will not be good.
Wow, a '-1' and a 'flamebait.' Okay, seems like the moderation system can sometimes lynch folks who may have the unfortunate desire to voice an opinion.
I'm not saying what happened was right or wrong, I'm just saying that people probably won't think of JoePa as the protector of molesters in ten years. A few folks will boil over with rebuff, but ask your random, wayward fan in 2022 and they may only know that JoePa set a record for wins and coached at PSU for a lifetime.
Neg me. Couldn't care less.
A truly legendary coach.
"Before people bash him let's try to remember that we are all sinners."
* Define your terms, please. What's a sinner in your world?
* Are you equating what he did (or, rather, didn't do) with garden-variety trangressions?
Not trying to be snarky here, but I think we can safely draw a line here to end the conversation attempting to define "sinners" or "sins." This is drifting dangerously closely to one of the Forbidden Topics of MGoBlog, religion.
Let's take this moment to reflect on the passing of a legend who undoubtedly changed college football and the lives of countless men for the better.
The end of the JoePa saga should be a cathartic lesson for all: even the greatest and most loved legends can be forever tarnished by poor choices. Even if his transgression was horrifying, his legend should be fairly considered in proportion to those few (shockingly) poor choices.
Either way, it's a somber day for the sporting world.
... and who also allowed the lives of several young men to become shattered beyond repair, when it was in his power to prevent it.
It's one thing to say that Paterno did many good things while also doing something truly horrible for years. Shades of grey, maybe. But to only present him as a great man is an example of boot-licking hero-worship.
I'm sorry. I have read post after post of people saying he was a good man and this and that and it doesn't sit well with me at all . I hope he rests in peace and feel sorry for his family but he was a GOOD FOOTBALL COACH, PERIOD! You don't sit by and let what transpired happen and expect everyone to forget about it.
and Bob Ley doing a great job of covering the story. RIP Coach.
Ley's response after at the end of Kirk Herbstreit's call-in was priceless. The only thing Herbstreit had to add was that he remembered being recruited by Paterno. Ley responded (Paraphrase here): Thank you, but who hasn't been recruited by Paterno, among top players?
I cant help but think of my own father right now. He too died recently of lung cancer (he was 87) and his decline and ultimate passing was just as rapid as JoePa. In my father's case he lived to deer hunt each year in November. Even when he could barely get around he went up to the Hunt Club every year like a swallow returning to Capistrano. His last year he said he was "too tired" to go and wanted to just miss this one time. I kNEW that if my dad couldnt make it up for deer season he had given up wanting to be alive and would go soon. Even though at the time he seemed in perfect health. Sure enough just four months later he passed away.
When people lose their reason to stay alive they go and go quickly. I saw if first hand with my dad so I cant say I'm surprised by this news. Sad day.
It's really sad that all his work towards helping disabled children (with Sue) and all the donations and contributions he made to giving children a better life will be marred by his silence and allowing a monster to destroy the lives of children. Make no mistake, this is a sad day for not only Penn State fans, but college football fans everywhere, all of the families of Penn State, the Special Olympics, Second Mile program (those who were helped by it), and all that were touched by his kindness.
He accomplished so many positive things, but the reputation will be tarnished by what he did not do. It is hard to believe that he had no knowledge of Jerry Sandusky's activities and I don't believe that he has been truthful regarding such issue. Think of the victims and what occurred since 1998. My thoughts and prayers are for their recovery.
and thoughts with the family
Comes great responsibility. Of all people, JoePa was supposed to help those kids. But he didn't. That's why people are upset with him. He arguably represented the pinnacle of ethics in CFB. And he failed miserably when it mattered most. It's unfortunate that the situation he faced was unprecedented and who knows what others would have done.
I feel the way he acted towards the end of his career was like a junkie. And PSU football was his drug. This same delusion led to him selfishly staying around too long when he clearly was becoming too old to function at a high level.
if you were one of those kids.
So because he's dead, he did no wrong? We're not sitting at his funeral, we're discussing his death on a message board.
For the record, most people don't "sin" like Paterno did. People enabling child molestation make up a very small segment of society, and are in no way "most people". Also, I know of nobody who hates him worse than Sandusky, that's just a ridiculous statement.
Well, it's possible and reasonable to simultaneously hate what the man did in a specific case and still admire what he did generally. He represented an era. He was a big part of our lives as fans. I think PSU was right to fire him. I wasn't a fan of his politics. But I'm still sad to see him go. People are complicated.
Joe Paterno was forced into retirement that he wasn't even able to enjoy for even one day. One of the lessons here is that there are far more important things in life than a job or yes friends, even sports. Think how different his life would have been if he had retired 20 years ago.
Contrast Jo Pa's situation with the paths that Schembechler and Carr took. Both retired relatively young while at the top of their games. Bo left coaching when he was only 60 and had the time of his life until his death. Carr was about 62 when he retired and just look at how much he's enjoying life.
Think about it.
Surely did many good things in his life, but the best thing he could have done he didn't do. Godspeed.
if Joe Paterno had not been the football coach at PSU, State College would still be a little dot on a Rand McNally road map and would not be in the Big 10. It would be a prospering agricultural school that would be no where close to the stature it holds today.
I mourn his passing and am glad his physical and emotional suffering are over. He is being judged by the power who only has authority (and it is no one who posts on a blog anywhere in the world).
RIP Joe Pa and condolences to his family.
Unfortunately, it appears his fears that his eventual death would follow the route of Bear Bryant's weren't unfounded.
Paterno, the most powerful and highest paid person on his campus, stayed long after he was capable of doing the job so that others could do work that he could take credit for in pursuit of the all-time wins record. No one could dislodge him. No one could talk him into a graceful exit. He stayed until events -- his own decision to protect his pedastal rather then grapple with the truth, primarily -- overtook him. By his own tacit admission, he was utterly feckless at the most important point of his career. The biggest moral test that came his way he kicked upstairs to his lower-paid superiors.
Paterno was a great man in a lot of ways. It's a sad day for his family and his supporters, and in as much as he was always at least trying to the right thing, a sad day for college football as well. But let's not let the soft-focus obscure the real truth of the last 10 years. A full fifth of this man's hallowed career was a total farce in which he held his program hostage.
In a way, he was a junkie addicted to PSU football. He couldn't let it go and in the process forever damaged the reputation of his beloved university more that he could have ever imagined. And for people who keep saying it was only one mistake you are using faulty logic. He had ten years to take action over his previous inaction and chose to let Sandusky roam free for an entire decade. It wasn't one mistake. He made the same mistake every second of every day for over a decade.
Growing up as a really young kid. I never clearly understood how this strange, bland-looking football team from the East would seemingly always end up 10-1, 11-0, etc and then be frequently invited to big time bowl games like the Sugar and Orange to play teams I more easily recognized: Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State.
Plain, blue and white uniforms. Antiquated. So dark, the blue actually looked black. Playing on natural grass. A single blackish blue strip down bone white helmets with gray facemasks. Plain white pants. Nothing at all to adorn them. No logos. No names. Minimalist. Less is more. Finalized with black shoes with bone white laces, sometimes wrapped with bone white tape.
These things will likely remain. Penn State is Penn State.
I do wish things could have ended differently for Joe Paterno. PSU will have to mourn this loss, as it has the other before it, and search for a way to be great again on its own.
A bit of information provided by ESPN that I never knew: JoePa thought, on film, white shoes made players look like they were running faster than if they wore black shoes. He had his players wear black shoes so other teams would misjudge his players' speed. Pretty clever.
I've always thought Penn State's record after joining the Big Ten was pretty good evidence, too, that teams playing as independents (or in weak leagues) have an easier path to a potential MNC than teams that have gear up for tough matchups every week.
I think the B1G will go back and place his name back on the trophy, as a show of support to his family.
But no. no name on a trophy. We do not need to forever be reminded of the lack of courage when something really mattered..
There are other families that also need respect.
thoughts and prayers to his family.
I don't want ESPN's first words after a M victory in the championship game to be about Sandusky and child molestation. Best that it never returns.
Er, no. Ain't gonna happen. Show support for his family? He died an old, widely revered and well-to-do man; his family is well supported in all possible ways. The B1G is not going to put a name on the trophy that will dredge up the child rape scandal on conference championship weekend every year forever.
So many kids got molested because he sat quiet. If you heard someone was getting banged from behind in the shower by your friend, what would you do? He got off easier than the kids no matter how much he knew.
Joe Pa was and should be remembered as a legend of which likes will never be seen again. RIP
A legend? Wow, maybe a football junkie that needed intervention. His team was coached well, while he stayed at all costs. He needed to testify, and feel some pain that the kids got.
I would have liked to seen him testify. A lot of molestations could have been stopped. Many lives were ruined as he watched his team get coached. Very sad that he has a post. Sorry if you don't agree, but try to be objective.
...that Joe died because his baby was taken from him and the grief was unbearable. It's impossible to not wonder about things given the timing of his death.
As far as his legacy is concerned, none of us know the man, so the only thing we can say for certain was that he was a legendary football coach (one of the best of all-time) and that the players, coaches and media in college football generally believed he was a good person of high character. He achieved a lot for Penn State University, both on and off the field.
It's hard, however, to reconcile how a person can do so much good and at the same time can allow, and then provide, a child rapist a haven to commit his heinous acts. The Penn State Football facilities were Jerry Sandusky's Neverland Ranch.
I see Penn State fans reacting the same way Michigan fans did the day Bo died, but I don't believe I would have felt the way I did had I known that Bo cultivated a child rapist. I would've felt very conflicted.
Bo would have beat Sanduskys ass then called 911.
great job....made a lot of money....great family....lived to 85.... Sign me up!!!
great job....made a lot of money....great family....lived to 85.... Sign me up!!!
He did good if not great things while at the helm at Penn St., more than most coaches would consider doing. The taint of the Sandusky scandal is the only tarnish that I know of in his legendary career; how many of us wish we had at least one do-over at some time in our lives? May God grant you salvation and send comfort to friends and family.
It sickens me reading alll of the apologists on here. It's not a minor mistake or accident he made.
HE ENABLED CHILD RAPE!
HE ALLOWED CHILDREN TO BE RAPED!!
No excuses. My prayers are with the victims. The eulogizing of a horrible man disgusts me. Sure he did a lot of good but what HE ALLOWED cancels all that out. That was his choice, something the victims didn't have...a choice.
Neg me....I don't care but this topic gets me.
Sorry, but people aren't "bad" or "good" with no in-between. You would wipe away every ounce of good from Paterno's legacy, and that is very dangerous. If Paterno is evil because what he did or failed to do was evil, then the lesson is that evil people do evil things. But very few regular people see themselves as evil, nor do they see the people around them as evil. And if people don't see the possibility of evil arising from what they see as good, that is how Jerry Sandusky is allowed to keep doing what he did. Because people found it too hard to believe that someone they saw as a shining example of good could do that much evil.
The lesson from Paterno is that even the best people - or at least, the ones perceived as such - have weaknesses which let evil arise. Good and evil is black and white, but people aren't. If you wipe away the good from Paterno and people only see the bad side, how is anyone to believe it when the next Sandusky arises? When a shady accusation arises about someone who is supposedly good? Both Paterno stories have to be told.
JoePa couldn't see this particular evil because of his obsession with PSU football. It doesn't make him an evil person, though. He repented and realized his epic failure. RIP.
Very well put. I could not have put it better.
This was posted elsewhere, but I thought it appropos.
I thought the last line summed it up well.
"No, his worst day can’t be forgotten. Neither can all the beautiful ones that surrounded it."
not all that broken up about this. the wins record is obviously BS... over the last 10 years the guy had slightly more responsibility for coaching that team than the mascot. He cultivated a culture at Penn State that contributed to the continued molestation of children by a member of of that community for 10-20 years. People worshiped at his alter more than god... which probably explains why so many, including paterno himself, willfully ignored the Sandusky situation.
oh and he totally coached football super duper well tho. credit where credit is due.
My prayers are with him.
Sadly, Joe Paterno failed the biggest test of his life.
Condolences to the Paterno family. RIP Joe, you will be missed
Quick little history lesson. When Don Canham was looking for our next football coach in 1968, he had only one man in mind; Joe Paterno. And Paterno was seriously considering taking the job. He and Canham met several times to discuss the matter. It looked like it might be a go until Joe asked Canham if he could make his final decision on the matter after Penn State played in the their bowl game. When Canham said that he couldn't wait that long, that was the end of that.
When you play the what if game, you can come to some frightening conclusions. Because if Canham waited until after the bowl game and if Paterno said, "yes," he could very well have brought Jerry Sandusky with him to Ann Arbor. Now THAT is a scary thought.
After Canham and Paterno parted ways that day, Paterno called Canham back that evening and recommended the coach at Miami-Ohio who had a funny last name, this Schembechler guy. That was the second time Bo's name had come up to Canham and it finally set the wheels in motion to make the call to Bo. The rest is history.
Paterno had a hand in bringing Bo to Ann Arbor and I will always, ALWAYS be thankful for that. My prayers go out to his family because I would not wish cancer on anyone. It's such a shame that his career had to end the way it did. I hope that people around State College in their grief don't forget about Sandusky's victims while they complain about their coach being "wrongfully" fired.
Joe Paterno's legacy will be defined by his legacy of coaches, players, athletes and academics who he coached or supported at Penn State. It will also be defined by his actions, or lack thereof related to the Sandusky scandal. He faces a larger judgment than the MGoBoard.
He should have called 911. He knew nothing was done seeing Sandusky bringing more kids to get raped. He is not with Bo and Woody.
and condolences to the Paterno family.
Joe Pa was a good man and in my opinion a scapegoat in the sex scandal. First of all Jerry Sandusky committed the crimes. Second of all the state of Pa and PSU fucked this up more than Joe Pa. The attorney general could have charged Jerry Sandusky back in the 90''s and chose not to. Joe Pa should have distanced the program from Sandusky. However, he shouldn't be blamed for the rapes. The state of PA knew about the allegations and chose to ignore them until recently.
It is also the case that the Sandusky garbage is only one part - albeit perhaps the most shameful part - of a self-governing, closed circle culture that involved establishing and nurturing a sense of power and invincibility that ultimately led to great failure. It is well-known that PSU football carried on its business without having to submit to the safeguards of accountability, even to the university. The existence of such a culture is not fully Paterno's responsibility, but he was clearly an integral part of its ethos and its defense.
While many positive results came of Paterno's virtues, they are, in my opinion, ultimately overshadowed by the deification, accepted by a self-aggrandizing head coach, that put him above the kind of scrutiny and limitations that might have protected many victims, in numerous situations, from real harm.
Hope the best for his family I'm going miss ol joe on sidelines at happy valley
Joe Pa made a terrible mistake. That mistake is a permanent black mark on his legacy. Penn State was right to fire him. It's impossible to remember him without remembering the tragic events that ended his otherwise long and illustrious career.
HOWEVER, now that he's is gone, let's not castigate him as if he's the one who molested those children. Notwithstanding his mistake, Joe Paterno had a positive impact on the lives of countless people throughout his career. His legacy isn't just limited to football; Penn State University would not be the institution it is today if it were not for this man. It's important to remember that as well.
RIP JoePa. Thoughts and prayers for his friends, family, and the entire PSU community.
"Brady Hoke on JoePa: "Even though I was just an assistant when our teams faced one another, I feel honored to have shared the field w/Joe""
He didn't call 911 when he heard kids were getting raped. He heard other rumors too. Wake the f up. He was a horrible person for letting that go. He is not in a good place. My condolences to his family for what he selfishly put them through. He was a self centered and gross football addict.
I'm sure Joe Paterno had a positive influence on many people, but in my mind his "legacy" is forever tarnished. He (and all who had knowledge of Sandusky's pedophilia) enabled a monster to roam free and nobody would tell the king he was not wearing clothes. Makes me wonder how many of the molestation victims will attend Paterno's funeral.
For some reason, all of these RIP's anger me. I mean the guy gets the easy way out. He wanted to start PSU Altoona with Sandusky as coach. He enabled Sandusky to rape for ~8 more years and be a HS mentor. That doesn't deserve a RIP to me.
He informed the head of Penn State Police when he informed Gary Schultz. McQueary believed the same thing:
"I thought I was talking to the head of the police, to be frank with you," McQueary said. "In my mind it was like speaking to a [district attorney]..
Penn State Police are not typical campus rent-a-cops, they carry guns, carry out independent criminal investigations, and have a SWAT team. If you really believe PSU Police did not know about this, you are kidding yourself.
To say that Joe did nothing and enabled Sandusky is unfair and inaccurate. He undoubtedly made a mistake by not following up once he saw Schultz was sitting on his hands, but to put the sins of Sandusky on him is unfair. Furthermore, Sandusky had emeritus status, meaning Joe could not throw him out of Lasch or any place on campus. None of Joe's critics seem to want to talk about criminals who walk because someone tried to cut through bureaucratic red tape and undotted an i or uncrossed a t. Joe himself said this was his fear and he made a mistake by believing others were more fit than himself to deal with this situation. An error in judgement? Yes. A flaw in character? Hardly.
RIP Joe, you mean more to me than you could possibly know.
This was possibly the best way it could have ever been put. Great post.
Not all errors in judgment are equal. Had Sandusky been stealing supplies, or smoking pot, or selling PSU memorabilia on the side, I'd be with you, but the dude was molesting and raping children. You see the guy still hanging around with an office and everything and you just shrug your shoulders or ignore it? I'm sorry, there is no excuse for that. And to pretend otherwise is unconscionable.
Sat on his hands while lives were destroyed. What if it was your kids? Wait football cures all. Simple mistake not "following up". I would have called 911 at minimum.
All of the sympathizers would feel different if it was their kids getting ass raped.
I'm interested to see how the PSU community comes together--or not--after the death of their patriarch. Looking in your direction, former players upset about the new HC.
told me the news after she saw it online. I was in disbelief. All I could think was that hopefully his lifetime body of work is looked at before anyone passes judgement on this man. Sad day and my thoughts go out to his entire family
Joe Paterno was one of the game's best coaches. He was a good man who made a mistake. While his mistake was serious, he was still one hell of a coach. Rest in Peace.
All of the facts will keep coming out, and we will all know everything evenutally, as is always how these kind of things go. Just watch and wait, between the trials, the testimony, the various books, and all the other information the complete story will be known sometime in the next 5-10 years. At that time, when you have full knowledge, all of you can venture more than just a partially informed opinion based on only what is publicly known today. We will see just how much Joe Pa shared in the complicity that surrounded the Sandusky story, and who else was involved and how they handled things as well.
Patience, boys, patience........
to say this, but lack the grace to say it as concisely, accurately, and eloquently. Well done.
I hope he is thankful he didn't have to admit he saw Sandusky coming to work daily, therefore he was an enabler at minimum. Kids got raped, and lives were ruined so his program wasn't disrupted. Very sad, and pathetic. Lucky your kids didn't live in shitty valley. He is a sad excuse for a man. Bo would puke if he saw these empathetic posts. I say empathetic, because supporters must feel his pain.
I wish for JoePa that he could have died 6 months ago while he was still on top of the world. The way he went out was sad.
He said himself that he wished he had done more Sandusky. But we can't let what he didn't do completely overshadow all the good that he did do.
They got molested for many years while he watched a guy that raped kids come into work. Never even followed up or called the cops.