Joe Paterno Family to Sue NCAA
The story which never seems to end is back in the news. The Paterno family and certain other trustees are suing the NCAA over the Freeh report, etc. What is interesting is that Penn State itself is not part of the suit. Bob Costas was to have had a segment on the suit last night, but I didn't see it.
The suit is designed "to redress the NCAA's 100 percent adoption of the Freeh Report and imposition of a binding consent decree against Penn State University. The reality is that consent decree was imposed through coercion and threats behind the scenes and there was no ability for anyone to get redress," Sollers told Costas.
Note: I assume this is not OT as it is B1G-related.
Just go away already Paternos.
I don't get it, didn't the PSU administrators commission the Freeh Report? The Paterno's are suing the NCAA over accepting a report about improprieties at Penn State that was commissioned by Penn State?
WTF?
That's the really stupid thing. Everyone at PSU wanted the Freeh report to come back and say how PSU wasn't covering up, had no way of knowing that Sandusky was a rapist, PSU had limited liability here, etc. It's not like when he was a Regent, Dave Brandon, would have comissioned a report to destroy Michigan football.
Instead the Freeh Report came back and said "You are in deep shit, go plea bargain with the NCAA." Somehow in the minds of morons this turns into some conspiracy where the Illumanti infilitrated the PSU Board of Regents just to destroy Paterno. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised given how the Paterno cultists viewed Joe as the next messiah.
It looks like the Paternos are just going to keep trying to push the report they paid for as the truly unbiased one and now they're going to try to use lawyers to make it the report of historical record. Nothing can change that the Freeh report was paid for by the school to discover the true extent of their liability, while the Paterno report was paid for with family funds to clear their patriarch's name. Only one of those actually appears bias free.
Reading the story, the crux of the suit against the NCAA is that they didn't do a thorough investigation of their own to confirm that accepting the findings of the Freeh report were justified. I can see it now:
"Yes your honor, the NCAA should've conducted it's own third party investigation into the Sandusky affair to confirm or deny the findings of Penn State's own third party investigation of the Sandusky affair. They had the temerity of simply accepting the findings of the original third party investigation and proposing sanctions based upon it, which we voluntarily accepted. Make them suffer."
This pisses me off so much. Can the NCAA tack on another 4 years of bowl ban to these assholes?
I hope Michigan buries these guys by 40 points this fall.
came to many conclusions that lacked proper evidentiary support. Many times the report drew conclusion D by way of fact A and B without confirming or acknowledging crucial fact C that could have signficantly affected the conclusion drawn. The Freeh report was a combination of real facts and opinions stated as fact without proper qualification. I am not defending Joe Paterno's role in the events, I am saying that the report itself would have in no way amounted to due process in terms of binding findings to support sanctions.
How much due process is necessary is relative, especially considering the fact that the report was commissioned by those who would have a due process claim. The fact of the matter is the Paternos are trying to clear JoePa's name and that's all they care about. That family and their supporters like Franco Harris are all scum to me. I don't have a single iota of respect for them. The Paternos would not have a due process claim they were not subject to anything themselves.
Penn State accepted the findings of the Freeh Report. The NCAA accepted the findings of the Freeh report. The NCAA proposed sanctions based on the findings of the Freeh Report, which Penn State voluntarily accepted. Sounds like Due Process to me. I know part of the suit being brought against the NCAA is that Penn State was coerced into accepting sanctions, but good luck proviing that.
You hit the nail on the head. No one was holding a gun to the head of Penn State to make an agreement with the NCAA. If they didn't like the penalties they could have fought the NCAA and received four years with the program shut down or whatever the NCAA found to be appropriate after their investigation. PSU and the NCAA agreed to a contract which bound both parties. I have yet to see that the person representing Penn State lacked authority in the matter..
There was a lengthy ESPN piece on the various negotiation process which took place over an extended period of time.
The more crap like this tha goes down, the more likely that O'Brien will start looking for another job after the 2013 season.
I disagree, this was adequate due process. Think of this situation as a plea bargain before discovery. The NCAA said, "This looks bad. We'll offer you a 4 year bowl ban and 40 scholarships over 4 years if you plead guilty right now. If you make us dig all of this shit up on our own and we find that it's true, we'll give you the death penalty." Penn State said OK.
Think of it like a murder trial. The prosecutor came to Penn State saying we have a body and it was found in your kitchen. Care to take your 20 years now? That's sufficient due process.
If PSU ever joins a lawsuit against the NCAA, definitely give them the death penalty. Right now though the people suing the NCAA are just the Paterno family and assorted Paterno cultists. The day after this lawsuit is laughed out of court, the NCAA should announce it is expunging the name Paterno from its history. His name, his voice, his image, nothing showing Paterno can be used by PSU or appear in any NCAA publication. That would be an excellent middle finger to the Paterno clan.
It's not like when he was a Regent, Dave Brandon, would have comissioned a report to destroy Michigan football.
Not sure I follow you here. Brandon was a regent at the time we conducted the second NCAA investigation (the one that had FBI testimony) and sanctioned ourselves, in 2002. That investigation was not necessarily intended to make us look good. It was pretty much a foregone conclusion that it was going to find damning evidence.
"Somehow in the minds of morons this turns into some conspiracy where the Illumanti infilitrated the PSU Board of Regents just to destroy Paterno."
The analysis is off. Every good conspiracy nut knows that the Illuminati are primarily concerned with protecting themselves, Paterno (and PSU too) just happen to be conveninet scapegoats. The Illuminatis themselves are actually composed of a network of child-abusing Satanists working at high levels of power and they can easily use the FBI and CIA to cover their tracks. Like, duh!!
Anyhow, the really interesting aspect of the PSU case is the relative silence around the administrators Spanier, Curley and Schultz. None of them has said much (wisely too I would think) and although Curley & Schultz have been indicted and faced preliminary hearings, there's been no trial yet? If there's any conspiracy involved at PSU then we'll get a glimpse of it at the upcoming trials supposedly now set to take place in 2014. The story is far from being over. In the meantime, let's see if anybody mysteriosly dies before their trial.
This awful saga needs to just be over already
Never.
I honestly can't beieve this at all. Now I didn't know Joe personally, but I have to think that if he was even half the man he pretended to be that he will be rolling over in his grave with the actions of his family.
Honestly, regardless of the role he played in all this it is clear he definitely played SOME role and any man worth a damn would see that and take whatever punishment was handed out given what happened to the victims.
The fact that this family can't simply say that "maybe Dad wasn't doing the raping, but he helped establish the environment for this to happen so we should just fade into the background and let the victims get the justice they deserve" is beyond me. Seriously, I would think even the Penn State fans would be getting annoyed at what they are doing at this point.
Unfortunately, if Joe were half the man he pretended to be, he would have addressed the Sandusky situation decisively when improprieties first came to light. Instead he chose to try and sweep things under the rug and preserve his image and his legacy.
The Paterno's call this lawsuit a search to correct and injustice. The only injustice would be for PSU an the NCAA to backtrack on their actions.
and I think sentiment will probably turn against the Paternos pretty strong around State college if this continues too long. The Paterno's reaction is not surprising, however, given the circumstances. Joe Paterno was seen as flawless, a god amongst men, by not only the school but his family. The combination of the sudden appearance of such a gaping character flaw along with his quick death left them little time to reconcile these things with themselves or more importantly with him. The moment they become angry at him that anger will be permanent and that is not the emotion they want to live with. Not saying it is right, but it is certainly predictable. Very anagolous to Diane Schuler(Tanonic State Parkway wrongway driver) and her husband's reaction. Blind irrational denial, but their mind has little control over it. The entire predicament in almost an impossible pill for the remainder of the Paterno family to swallow.
Oh god, who are they trying to fool?
How many minutes watching this without blinking is too many minutes? Whatever that number is, I think I beat it by several orders of magnitude.
that one time will likely do long term damage to you. I would not recommend continuing to watch it.
The artistry of that GIF is in the motion of the tail.
black and white.
I don't think the Paterno's really care about anything else but saving a bit of the old mans image. Joe did a lot of good things for that town but this takes away from all the good he did there and there is no way around it. He tried to hide horrible acts to save his football team...
His football team, his image, his legacy....In the end, Joe Paterno was a very flawed man with a huge ego that had a massive population idolizing him to feed that ego. The whole culture of Penn State football is just sick.
I shudder to think what Michigan would be like if 40+ years ago when Don Canham offered Paterno the head coaching job, Joe had accepted. Michigan was very fortunate to find a coach like Schembechler who was cocky enough to be a winner while being humble enough to not relish the prospect of being elevated to the status of a god.
Give Sue back her pool access and call it even.
If you really want to stir up your ire, go onto BSD and check out the rhetoric. The place has essentially become Paterno Truther Central. Any dissenting opinion has been chased off. The place is unreadable and pretty infuriating as to the level of denial.
I'm embarrassed for most of those posters, especially the ones who want to claim that the culture there had nothing to do with anything but only serve to prove there was and still is a cult of personality surrounding Paterno.
The Paternos reek of denial and desperation. Joe's image will never be restored, no matter how much they try.
The Catholic Church has improved its image. Time heals ( most) wounds. JoePa was a man in denial, not the person who committed the crimes
The Paterno family is not doing JoePa any favors by this lawsuit. Time can help fix the Image of Joe Paterno but the lawsuit will only make it worse.
This needs to stop Paternos. Just get out of the spotlight already
I feel like I've read this exact thread title at least four times before.
What's for lunch?
...on, you guessed it, Paterno.com. Of note is the paragraph outlining some of the specific charges in this suit.
"The lawsuit lodges six counts against the NCAA, Emmert and Ray, including breach of contract, civil conspiracy, defamation and commercial disparagement. In addition to overturning the sanctions, the lawsuit seeks compensatory and punitive damages from the NCAA for its improper conduct and breach of contract, as well as reimbursement for legal costs. "
What seems to underscore the pervasiveness of the denial in post-Paterno Happy Valley is that former players are participating in the lawsuit as well as individual members of the Board Of Trustees. The implication, if you read the statement on the site, is that the sanctions as they stand do a "disservice" to "anyone who cares about the truth of the Sandusky scandal". By that, I can only imagine the family meaning "the extent of Joe Paterno's knowledge / role". The cult of personality in Joe Paterno's tenure was clearly of phenomenal scope as it seems to live vibrantly in his death.
Good. Paterno got so shafted by this whole thing. He didn't gain anything from Sandusky's conduct. The guy just wanted to coach football and would have been perfectly content if Sandusky had never gone all Catholic on a bunch of young boys.
Sarcasm is hard to detect on this topic due to Poe's Law...but if there's no implied "/s," then please consider lighting yourself on fire.
Your suggestion is noted and hereby rejected.
You are a bad person on a number of levels.
No you.
No you.
Suance, anybody?
