in town for free camps
JLong looks god awful, worst busts in recent history?
Not an appropriate diary topic, but I think points are preventing me from comments so spinning it into one.
I. Jake Long Observations
Watching M alum(s) makes any NFL viewing that much more enjoyable. Due to Jake Long, the Fins have supplanted the Pats as my favorite non-Lions NFL game. Like Brady you can watch him on every offensive play. He’s obv nowhere near as accomplished as Brady. But I still marvel more, esp in pro football, over consistent physical domination. Acceleration, speed, quickness, hand-eye Q, leaping, striking, plowing, etc.
Jake squished opponents like grapes in college. Orlando Pace was the gold standard and better college player IMO due to his inhuman (I guess they all are) level of flexibility and athleticism. He moved like an NBA small forward +100 lbs, was as powerful as anyone, and unlike many other gifted LT’s brought his athleticism to pass pro and run-blocking balance/leverage in equal measure. Pace carried it all over to the NFL and was a top 3 tackle (Tra Thomas, Walter Jones) during his era and has a goofy bronze caricature somewhere in his future.
The question for me going into Jake’s rookie season was whether his raw power would transfer to the pros. I had confidence in his consistency, discipline, leverage, technique, awareness in picking up stunts/blitzes, ability to run-block in space, and ability to be an effective pass blocker. In other words a fine LT. But what if you had an LT that could pass block like Joe Thomas and run block like Jon Runyn?
The media consensus was that Jake’s ceiling was a average-at-best pass blocking LT if he managed to stave off the move to RT. I never thought Jake would look as smooth as Thomas but could match the pass blocking effectiveness, and that if that brute strength carried over you’d have back-to-back rookie pro bowlers at LT in the AFC provided that #1 overall pick notoriety could counterbalance veteran bias and lazy voting.
And so it nearly went (Jake was an alternate despite playing the 2nd half last year on a bad wheel). Jake blew ends 10 yards off the ball and caved in half the DL with regularity. It all snapped into focus during his nationally televised match-up with Mario Williams where the Fins left him largely to his own devises on pass plays, and Williams came out of halftime rushing from the left side of the line.
This season I was hoping to watching Jake put another bullet on an HOF resume and continue beasting defenders in a manor which palpably shortened life spans.
My second boy was born this Sunday, week one, so I wasn’t paying that close attention. I was perturbed to here Greeny squawking Monday about John Abrams owning Jake. But I didn’t think much more of it other than making the Fins-Colts week 2 Freeny match-up that much more interesting.
End prelude commence observations.
A. As far as homer announcers go, Mike Tirico must make Herbie blush. Odd considering
he isn’t an alum. I know Tirico lives in AA now. And as a ‘Cuse alum there’s nothing inherently preventing him from drifting toward an M allegiance. Tirico’s gal may even be an M alum. But those factors alone can’t account for more than 5 inches of the 9" hard on he has for the Blue. Don’t know what gives but not complaining.
B. Tuned into the MNF game as Jaws was inrowing a Jake/Freeny montage during a
TO right before the half, and he was talking about JAKE LONG. Yes!
Tirico must have written the script for that clip bf the game. There were maybe 5-6 iso clips of their ‘battle’, and Long had double-team help from Smiley (not a chip, pure double team blocking) on all but one. Jake still wound up getting pushed into the QB and/or on his ass in over ½ the clips. Jaws kept right on talking about what a phenomenal job Long was doing. It was so embarrassing I had to change the channel for a few plays to gather myself. When I came back Jake was still on the ground in pass-pro, even with assistance.
C. Did Long get hurt in camp? Did he have offseason surgery? Was he held out of a lot of
preseason shit for some reason and maybe lost his conditioning?
Did he go out on South Beach 1 or 2 nights per week too many? And when he did, was he passing the sure thing, C+, HJ from a Kardashian look alike at 10:30 and trying to wait out the Brook Burke-esque gal who started off dancing on the bar, but by midnight is still only on her 3rd drink deep and surrounded by an ever tightening ring of gay friends who are needlessly "looking out" for her?
He doesn’t look like a fat NFL OL by any stretch, but he looks noticeably heavier than last year. He also looked slow and tired. The Fins had more TOP than any losing team in NFL history, and the storyline was about how the Colts D (esp DL) would be folding any minute.
Every time the announcers brought that up a familiar thought floated to me. Why do we assume that offensive players won’t tire before defenders? This game was the perfect example and Long was a microcosm. The Fins set sail on these long grinding drives, but the Colts hung together as they were slowly dragged down the field. Miami executed for long stretches but more often than not ran out of gas first.
D. Freeny is more than a handful for any LT, but Long had more help than all of his ‘08
snaps I watched combined and x 2.
E. Jake played with appalling leverage. This was the most alarming aspect of his
performance. It started with his sets where his back was 6"+ raised above the rest of the line in non-passing situations. Many running plays were draws where he wasn’t asked to do anything other than shove a rushing DE upfield (which he did well). When asked to drive block he usually stood up and leaned on his assignment. Last year when Jake’s assignment was to get to the second level he did so with gusto, regardless of whether the run was designed to his side. When that happened tonight he looked like a WR blocking, just watching the play. When he was blocking playside he often couldn’t decide who to block and didn’t get a piece of anyone.
F. This was a horrid performance. Somewhere between apathetic and tepid. Its difficult
for me to believe that one offseason of cash, acclaim, suntan lotion, and raw foreskin could derail a Jake Long’s passion for football. But there is something physically, mentally, or
conditionally wrong with Jake at this point.
Whatever it is I hope it gets straightened out because the disappointment of watching that far outpaced the joy of watching last season. I’m not saying he’s a bust or will be, but this was a bust-worthy performance.
II. Bigger UM Draft Busts in Recent History
This topic actually came into my head and wouldn’t leave before I realized just how bad Jake was stinking out the joint, because Justin Smiley plays LG next to him.
I don’t see Smiley without thinking of David Baas. Baas was drafted in the 2nd by the 49ers and promptly got hurt and missed his rookie year, then couldn’t beat out Smiley for the starting guard spot (even after Smiley left for Miami last year).
Early 2nd round is an honor for a guard, but I still thought Baas was worthy of a 1st round pick. He was even projected at the bottom of round 1 by some media experts. No matter how ruthless I try to make my judgment of M players going into the draft, my homerism almost always creeps in to some degree. But I wasn’t alone here.
Baas was I guy I watched every run play, then rewound the watch again in slowmo. IMO he was a whisker behind Hutchinson as a college player, and I nearly cried when Seattle took Hutch with the 16th overall pick with the Roar on the clock at #17. In other words, he was a sure MF’ing thing as a pro prospect.
Did I mention my M homerism is irrepressible in evaluating pro prospects?
A. I still shake my head over Baas. I would love to see the stats on the average length of pro
careers, number of starts, etc for guys who miss their whole rookie season with injury. Or otherwise. Thats why someone needs to ring Crabtree’s neck. Uncanny what that does to players.
But Baas missed his first starting year at M and bounced back. He was a flat-out ass kicker. More accolades as a center but that was typical media bullshit. He was a great guard, moved to center in a pinch, that became fluffy, lazy lolmsm story line, and the next thing you know he’s getting post season awards at center. Guards are expected to be strong and he had to be in the 99 percentile in guard strength. A brute. Mauler. Mean streak. But what set him apart even from that was his ability to pull (best I’ve ever seen at M) and block in the screen game.
B. Alan Branch. I was actually advocating the Roar take him with the (I
think) 10th overall pick to play next to Rogers in the 4-3. I know Branch has battled some injuries, but we’re not talking about ACLs and torn triceps here.
Knock on Branch coming out was his potential weight problems (legit in my mind at the time) and work ethic (not legit in my mind at the time).
At M Branch wasn’t always at the right weight. But Carr never called out his work ethic. And following Branch’s Fr year he got leaner/meaner every season, which to me indicated good work ethic. And a work ethic with that ability? To me it he’d be a borderline pro-bowl player minimum with good heath.
Show of hands for those who thought Branch was a better pro prospect that Woodley.
C. Marquis Walker. This one is only about 25% on Marquise. He was a hell of a WR at M.
The #1 ranked recruit at the position even though that call was a misfire. But can’t blame Quise for that. Big, velcro hands, knew how to play the position. Ultimately just not that fast. Hey, not all WRs are.
And he squeezed 99.9% out of what he had to work with his sr. season at M. Sure I’d want to punch him in the face right now over the OSU drop, but that was about the only blemish. That team saddled him up like an RB. And Iowa. Side-by-side it was more impressive than Woodson at MSU.
Yea, I said it.
All that don’t make a second round pick. But that was Chuckie’s fault, not Walker’s. Still, I had him pegged for 6th or 7th and NFL career similar to Avant’s now. Walker flamed right out of the NFL even with his 2nd round pick status.
D. Chris Perry. This one really sucked. Would have been shocked if he ever made a pro
bowl, but how was he not 1,000 rusher 300 yard receiver for 4-6 seasons?
Injuries, sure. But he never got on track even when healthy. Too much tread on the tire perhaps. 50 carries sparty?
E. David Terrell. DT? Ugh. A step-slow Michael Westbrook. When Westbrook was
healthy and on his meds he was a force not unlike a Calvin Johnson who would drive you crazy with some drops. So how does he fail to stick on an NFL roster, despite what (to his credit) seemed to be a solid work ethic and commitment to football?
F. Braylon? Stopping now.
III. Fins-Colts Observations
Anyone talking recently on this site about TOP being overrated? Yeah.
This game will be an interesting test case for the those who would argue that leaving your defense out to dry like that will carry over to future games.
I wish the Lions had a couple of Pro Bowl "busts."
I wish the Lions had a couple of Pro Bowl "busts."
Jake Long is probably banged up FWIW. Just an observation.
Time to raise the point threshold to start a diary.
Some diaries are just so retarded beyond belief. We can't always expect the moderators to be able to filter through all the good and bad diaries to know when to move them to the board or not.
I mean undies, did you even watch the Probowl last year to see if Jake Long was actually playing like he was?
Think before you write.
that the reason Jake Long looked slow is that he was matched up against far and away the fastest DE in the league in Freeney. Also, the Dolphins ran for 239 yards and kept the ball for 45 minutes, largely running left. I don't think Long is the problem.
I do not follow your argument. You say he was good last year, and bad one game this year. Somehow that is enough to call him a bust?
uh, in your obviously professional assessment, one sub par game after what was unanimously declared a very successful rookie campaign = bust?
this is why you aren't running a NFL team.
news flash: sometimes players have a bad day.
dex is here to make sure no one is being unfairly critical.
"I’m not saying he’s a bust or will be, but this was a bust-worthy performance."
Relax. He's saying Jake Long needs to get out of his "sophmore slump" to go down as one of the great tackles more than he is saying Jake Long's a bust. The freep headline guy has struck here.
you are right, i am completely off base and the only person who read this diarrhea and thought it was poorly researched, poorly presented, and generally wrong. i am the asshole here.
at least four people think you are nice and ever-vigilent, or at least down voted me for ironically using those words. (as of the writing of this message)
Yeah Dex, relax. He didn't SAY Jake Long was the biggest bust in recent history; he simply ASKED if he was the worst bust in recent history in his post title. What the hell is wrong with you? Asshole.
Too stupid; didn't read.
It should be:
Too stupid; wish I didn't read
you realize baas is starting for SF, right?
oh, you don't?
because you are oblivious?
The Dolphins ran behind Jake Long and the right side for a lot of the game (had >200 years rushing at the end of the 3rd). That's pretty solid. Also, Freeny is one of the best rushers around, and Jake handled him relatively well.
All in all a wordy, yet very poor diary. Brian, I guess word limits on entries DO NOT translate into quality.
was a 3rd round pick
but this is the worst of the lot that I've read. Illogical, rambling and filled with hyperbole and faulty analogies.
"This season I was hoping to watching Jake put another bullet on an HOF resume and continue beasting defenders in a manor which palpably shortened life spans."
How do you go from admitting that his first year was solid, to, after watching only one game this year, suggesting that Jake's one of the "worst busts ever"?
Never post when you're high, getting high, or angry.
I want to play in fantasy sports leagues with the O.P.
I envision picking up good players after he dumps them after a 0-for-4 game at the plate.
He cant be considered anything close to a bust since he went to the Pro Bowl in his rookie year. So Freeney got the best of him last night? He was probably the most gifted and quickest pass rush artists he has ever played against. And considering the power running success the Fins had last night, something good must be happening down there vis a vis the entire OL unit.
I think you're worrying about Rabbit Ears myself. I was thoroughly entertained by last night's game. And could care less how a tackle for the dolphins played.
I didn't bother reading the whole diary, but all I could think is you must have been high. I saw Jake Long lock down who ever he was lined up against, including D.Freeny. You must think Manningham is bust city too huh?
but when you talk about draft busts and Jake Long in the same sentence I know it isn't worth reading. I would certainly not consider a probowl rookie a draft bust, so goodbye.
So basically one montage of about 5 plays against one of the best D-lineman in the NFL spawned a piece of this length? Jesus.
The overreaction on this terrifies me.
You know how else is a bust from Michigan?
Tom Brady. I mean did you that game with the Jets? Holy crap has he ever flamed out.
Also, why the fuck did it take Manningham so long to contribute. Total bust, if you ask me. He's still underperformed in 16 of 18 career games, even if he was inactive for most of those.
Dont even get me started on Steve Breaston or Lamarr Woodley. They have not done squaddoosh in this league so far. Cant make the playoffs with those guys.
...is not a reason to speak
the worst (quality) : (# of words) ratio in the history of sports writing, if you can call it that
If the reason you posted this as a diary as opposed to a board topic was your lack of points . . . well, I'm guessing this diary didn't help you get any closer.
I suggest starting a new account.
So I can continue to neg you.
Sorry. Sent my original message from my phone and it posted it twice.
Please fight the urge to post. Particularly in Diary form. I'm sure you giggled the whole time you wrote that, but come on, grow up.
I realize the diary was slightly more nuanced than its title (slightly), but is there a quicker way to accrue negative points than to suggest a wildly successful and popular alum is among the biggest busts in NFL history (or some such)?
How do you give someone negative points, I'm kind of new to posting here.
"I’m not saying [Undies22 is] a bust or will be, but this was a bust-worthy performance."
Congrats on the kid, but this diary was horrendous. I assume you're suffering from lack of sleep, so you get a pass in my book.
I actually watched some of the game and focused on Long. He was singled on Freeney most of the time I watched, and Freeney only recorded 1 sack. The play was a bootleg right, and Long held his ground well. Pennington held on to the ball too long and was scrambling around, right into Freeney.
I honestly didn't read the rest of it, and it's not really my business, but if I were you I would relax on Jake and spend some time with my newborn.
I will hear your opinion but have to ask...Reaaaaally? I can only speak for the first half because that is all I saw but Long held his own. Just because an OL is not upright doesn't mean he is not getting the job done. Let's face it. Freeney is arguably the best pass rusher in the game when healthy and has a spin move that actaully makes me trip and fall when I see it. But the OL is successfull when they keep their assignment off the ball-carrier or QB. I only saw Chad go down once in the half and that was due to good coverage downfield which resulted in him scrambling around in the backfield like the backup from the "Fighting Armadillos" saying "blow the whistle, blow the whistle!". You can't ask a lineman to hold a block for more than 3-4 seconds at the most. I think he showed some poise after getting beat by Abraham last week and from what I saw played a good half.
The Dolphins ran the ball incredibly well, and long kept Freeney off Pennington most of the game. That particular "homer" sequence reviewing longs technique was right, he blocked Freeney. In case you've never watched pro football lineplay, I feel like you should know that all tackles move backwards on pass protection. Noone is going to destroy NFL ends every play, so they slow them down, make them take longer routes to the Qb.
One last thing, Joe Thomas is your good pass blocker? He was awful last year. So, 1 year of bad performance is excusable, but not 2 games? One of which was just badly analyzed by you.
Um, he did make the Pro Bowl last season in his rookie year.
He didn't play well against Atlanta in Week 1, but he stepped up and played very well last night. In fact, the entire O-Line played very well as evidenced by their ability to run the ball at will against the Colts.
You couldn't possibly be more misguided with your ridiculous title.
i'm dumber for having read it.
In other news: Marisa Miller gets pimple; no longer hot.
...that Marissa Miller is one of the greatest busts in recent history.
and noticed that all the Colts pressure was coming from Mathis against the right side of Dolphins line. Long held up just fine, and from what I saw of the earlier parts of the game the Dolphins were doing pretty well running the ball to the left.
and relative to how much Mel Kiper and other draft gurus we're talking about him, Robert Gallery has had a pretty unspectacular career considering he had been moved to guard before breaking his leg this season.
I'm not sure why I continued to read this after the first paragraph or so. I kept saying to myself... "am I reading this wrong? Is he for serious?" and then I get to the end and...wow...you did really type all that, i didn't read it properly...and i just wasted precious moments of my life that i will never get back. Thanks.
Agreed. My head hurt after reading this.
I too kept reading and reading, wondering when I was going to get that fulfilling dose of sarcasm, and was left hanging. Booo! Luckily I didn't bother to finish the post once I realized it wasn't coming, thus minimizing the amount of life sucked away.