Bartelsten is one of the team Captains. Using his quote is appropriate as team Captains are generally considered one of the spokespersons for the team.
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Bartelsten is one of the team Captains. Using his quote is appropriate as team Captains are generally considered one of the spokespersons for the team.
Not saying it's not appropriate to quote him. Saying that if the reporter had a similar quote from anyone that plays regularly, he would have run that. He didn't. He probably had a few minutes worth of quotes from young Bartelstein, but the fact that he quoted him for the one vaguely negative statement about the Fab Five speaks volumes as to the writer's intentions.
The writer is Joe Rexrode, an MSU beat guy, and I believe an MSU homer. But sure, go on believeing he had no agenda.
What did they do exactly to steal the spotlight? They're famous. They don't really have any control over whether CBS shows them or someone sticks a microphone in their face after the game. Kevin Ware must be a total egomaniac attention-whore by this logic.
I am soo sick of people trying to tell the Fab 5 they aren't allowed to show up and cheer for Michigan. Yes they will get interviewed and get camera time..so will many other stars..big deal. The current team likes them there. .If you don't, that's your problem because youre a douche
Yeah, Denard, Kovacs, and Roundtree have been upstaging this team all year by being in the Maize Rage instead of a suite. Hey, does anyone have a down-to-the-minute breakdown of when they entered the arena this season for basketball games? We really need to get the bottom of this selfish, aggrandizing Michigan athletes supporting other Michigan athletes tomfoolery.
The Big Ten Network cut more often to shots of Denard Robinson jumping up and down in the stands during any average game he attended this season than CBS did to the Fab Five last night. It's not a strawman, it's apples to apples.
So what's the threshold where a former player or celebrity who attends a Michigan game is too famous that he or she becomes a distraction? I have a feeling that if Tom Brady showed up last night to cheer for the Wolverines we wouldn't have any posts about him being an attention-seeking distraction.
"How about not parading to their seats to steal attention from player introductions?"
Seriously? You make it sound like their intention was to steal attention from the current players?
I think your emotions over this topic have clouded your judgement.
Jimmy was on the radio yesterday morning talking about how it was about supporting this team and not about the Fab Five anymore. He was hoping they could take it one step further than they did.
He also mentioned all the things this year's team did to honor them. THJ has been wearing a "Free the Fab Five" shirt since getting on campus, have you noticed the black socks, and a couple haircuts look fimilar from back in the day.
Can anyone imagine a better group of people to be in that locker room after that loss?? I mean, the Fab Five was in that same position TWICE! If anyone knows how the current players feel its those guys. I think it is great that they were able to be in the locker room for support and I'm sure the current players appreciated it.
I disagree. They are college basketball icons and it's absurd to consider them simple fans who were able to scrounge up tickets. Their impact and influence is undeniable. I mean Jesus, their documentary (18 years after they left college basketball) won an Emmy for crying out loud. Michigan alums winning an Emmy for a documentary about the most celebrated period in the history of Michigan athletics and you don't want to see them on television together at Michigan's return to the National Championship Game?
I dont have a problem with them giving interviews at half, and having the "spotlight" on them, MSM always cuts to a hot girl (Luv you Brady Quinns sister, or Ms. Alabama), or famous alumni and trys to play it up.
Like it or not before last night the last time we had played in a NC game had a lil' asertisk next to it. So undoutedly they were going to get showed. I think what this game more than likely did is help to quell the Fab 5's power over the school. They are no longer the last team to do this, or the last time to do that. At this point they can be credited with wearing some baggy shorts, black socks and almost shocking the world.
Two totally different teams. Each one was special in their own way, so let's not take anything away from either of them. The 12-13 team was special and I will never forget their accomplishments. Beilein has this program on a serious rise and we should get used to seeing this team make deep runs in the tourney every year. Great season gentlemen.
what a jerk. I mean, what's his deal stealing the spotlight from those other kids. whuttabum!
what's their problem? They're all just attention-whores stealing camera time from the ones that deserve it.
I can't believe they have the audacity to play their little mini-orchestra in the middle of these major sporting events. Have some respect for our current student athletes!
It's not the band's time anymore!
What's their deal? I don't see why they get free tickets to the game, and they're always standing up and then during the timeouts they block the view of our players. Arrogant basturds, stick to practices where you belong!
...as a community of Michigan fans we should not hate on the Fab 5, rather in fact we should support them...im not here to argue about what C-Web did, im here just like Jalen and the rest of the Fab 5 to support our team and root them on for victory...people on here are holding on to a 20 year old grudge....NEWS FLASH: most of our team was not alive when the Fab 5 was playing...let it go, live and let live, holding grudges does not bring us together as a community
Well said, Ari. It's been 20 years, people. Get over it. Move on. Forgive and forget (the bad). Never forget the good because those were some bad ass teams with much swag.
I resented the Fab 5, well just Webber really, for a long time and still think their banners should stay down. However, it's been 20 years, and Webber's ban is almost over.
I did not like the hype Jalen created for this reunion, but let them be Michigan supporters again.
As the Beatles said, life goes on.
It's funny throughout the game I was worried more about Trey Burke's fouls, Michigan's sloppy play (at times) then the Fab Five. They were at the game but it didn't for one second take away for this year's team. Past greats show up all the time to root on their alma mater. I loved that era and I loved watching this year's team.
They're alums if nothing else.
In 20 years when Kevin Ware is sitting in the stands are L'ville fans going to say the same thing?
I thought the Fab 5 did a great job of not making it about them. Zach Novak was there, he did interviews, he's on the same level as them (in terms of being in attendance and doing interviews). Denard was there. Denard's always there...we never say "Denard, your season's over...it's not about you anymore!" "Lloyd Carr, you don't coach here anymore, stop sitting courtside!" A bunch of alums were there. Be proud that we have alums to celebrate and cheer on our current teams.
The same goes on at every school. Hell, it's celebrated at some (Miami-FL football players on the sidelines, damn near coaching...USC Football...UNC and Duke Basketball is damn near a "who's who?")
In 20 years if we're in the national championship and Trey Burke is there, there's going to be someone that writes about completing the journey for THIS team.
...it's the nature of the media. But no one brought attention to themselves by doing anything other than showing up and wearing a goofy ass Michigan hat.
I understand the significance of the Fab Five as a cultural event and quite a basketball achievement, but I don't think they have much to do with the Final Four or the national championship. I could understand all the hoopla if they actually won the national title, but they were runners up, just like every other second-place finisher over the last 75 years of the tournament.
You kind of contradict yourself there. You understand their basketball achievement but don't think they have much to do with the NCAA tournament? They were arguably the best group of freshman ever assembled and they took college basketball by storm. I urge you to find an example of an NCAA tournament that does not include at least one mention of the Fab Five. I submit that their two second-place finishes had a bigger impact on college basketball than 90% of the teams that won the whole thing since then.
Case in point, CooperLily. Every year, two teams reach the national championship game. Only once has one of those teams had a starting five of all freshmen. Equally significant is the fact that they returned as sophomores, no small feat, seeing how everyone had two years worth of film on them at that point.
There's true significance in what they were able to accomplish.
This is exactly right. Jalen made this point in the Fab 5 documentary: "Name the starting 5 of the North Carolina team that beat us." They were significant.
But none of that matters to what Magnus said. It doesn't matter if they were significant to the NCAA tourney as a whole, because they weren't at some random Final Four game. They were are a Michigan game, and no one can argue that they weren't significant to Michigan basketball.
but the fact that they are seldom together in that number, muuuch less all 5 of them, made it into a big media hooplah. If the Ed Martin scandal had bombed the program then they'd probably be around a lot and then it wouldn't be any weirder than seeing Brady or Denard in the Rose Bowl. However, this first-time-20-years thing I think ended up creating more media focus on the Fab Five than they were intending. It's obvious to me that that's not what they wanted, it's just how the storylines get told
I see it as the Fab 5 paying their respects. They are a big part of the program's history.
Thing that kind of gets me is what about the other guys? Why not see Riley, Talley, Pelinka?
...this isn't about the Fab Five, it's about THIS team. And even when you refer to us, it was about OUR team. Our TEAM should have some time of commemorative banner hung, not just the Fab 5.
But how do we know those other guys weren't there? The Fab 5 is obviously going to get the attention, they're the Fab 5! If Michael Jordan shows up, no one cares what teammate sitting next to him or a row down from him unless his last name is Worthy.
That's the MEDIA choosing what to make a big deal, not The Fab 5.
Glenn Robinson's dad was sitting 2 feet from the bench and he never got mentioned ONCE last night. Hardaway barely got mentioned and it took a HUGE dunk to do that.
We watch Michigan every game, there's ALWAYS a focus on those two guys, every single game they're mentioned (and even interviewed in the middle of a Sweet 16 or Elite 8 game).
So the media chose to spotlight the Fab 5 over even them. But it wasn't a "hell look at us type of thing." Just like when Tim Hardaway and Glen Robinson show up, it's not for their attention, it's because their sons our playing.
In this case, the Fab 5's school was playing in the frickin National Championship. I'd go too!
The media and fans made it about the Fab Five, not those guys.
Overall, I'm just relieved that the next time Michigan is in the championship game, we won't have to endure any of these discussions. Hopefully Burke will be hanging with the Fab 5 and it will bridge the gap.
2014 - Arlington, TX. Here we come!
People complain when alums aren't visibly supportive of the program. Fab Five were such a big deal and so polarizing that they really can't win IMO. If they show up, people think they're trying to upstage the current team. If they don't show up, people wonder where they are and can't stand them for not being there. I'm fine with them being there. I'm ecstatic they were there. It was cool to see. I don't think it took anything away from this team or season.
They were there to support Michigan. Lets stop trying to pretend this year's team hasn't received enough attention. Sure, the Fan Five is getting pub. But let's remember how much publicity and support Jalen Rose alone has provided Michigan, and this team specifically.
Get over it. Go Blue.
How many other celebrity alums ever sit in the stands at their alma maters game and put their ego aside to wear a goofy mascot hat and cheer like crazy the whole game?
This is so complicated. If someone believes players should be paid TODAY, is it hypocritical for them to not forgive Webber? And people only remember Webber because of the whole trial, but forget about Taylor, Traylor and Bullock. No one will agree on this, all you can ask is that everyone at least is informed and knows the facts - 90% of people don't.
I will say, Jalen Rose has turned into an attention seeking nightmare. I hope someone puts him in check. He made a good documentary 3 years ago, and I understand he's proud of what he accomplished at Michigan, but he can't force his shadow onto the program/team anymore. He has great influence at ESPN, needs to use it responsibly. Unless Webber was in on this too - I can't imagine he was very happy about what Jalen did. He should follow Desmond Howard around for a few weeks, or Tracy Wolfson, Rich Eisen, Adam Schefter.
That's not Jalen though. He is never going to be those guys. That's part of the reason why I love him so much. Jalen has a lot of heart, a lot of mouth and a lot of love for the University. I'm alright with that.
Yeah, I agree with this. Part of what makes Jalen good at his job is his personality. Sure, he's knowledgable about basketball, but lots of ex-NBA players are. Like Barkley, albeit to a lesser extent, his personality is what sets him apart. He's not going to give the same sugar-coated opinion that every other analyst gives, and that will make him both polarizing and marketable.
It was only a big deal to the media and fans because the guys haven't been together since 93, and they haven't shown up to support Michigan basketball.
Really, they need to come back more often, especially Chris. Bury the hatchet, let the old wounds heal, and everyone moves on. If Michigan is back in the Final Four next year and the Fab Five get back together to watch the game, it won't be nearly the story it was this year. Each time they appear at a game (not necessarily all together), the whole thing becomes less of a story.
Get over it.
I'm simply over the fab five. I am glad they showed up to support the team and I don't feel like they were stealing the spotlight. I am just simply over that team, and I wish we discussed and revered the 89 team for the true champions that they were.
I wonder when we'll stop talking about this. We have been generally able to move on from Rich Rodriguez after only 3 years. Will we have to wait 3 years to move on from this or is 20 enough? Shit, many of you we're still in diapers during the Fab Five era. It's time to move on.
Maybe this is the first step. Webber showing up at a Michigan event was refreshing to see. I look forward to the day when we can put the bad behind us and embrace all the good the Fab Five brought to Michigan, and believe me, it was a LOT of good. Granted, before this happens there probably needs to be some level of concililation that needs to be made on Webber's part, but showing up last night was a big step, maybe he'll be willing to take some more in the future.
These guys deserve more than to be just shoved in a corner and forgotten.
With all due respect to Ray, Juwan, and Chris....those 3 as far as I know, didn't say a word to any media outlets about possibly going to Atlanta. It was all Jalen and to a lesser extent I heard Jimmy in the media too.
Ray, Juwan, and Chris just went to support their alma mater without talking about it or bringing attention to themselves or the Fab 5 in the process.
That is all.
I'm okay with how everything went. They showed the fab five in the crowd once and that was it. Michigan didn't lose because they were distracted.
The shitty part is we will have to hear about how the 2012-13 team lost in the championship game just like the fab five did for all eternity, and on the night they all reunited for the first time in 20 years.
I wish I could neg the premise of this post by the OP more than once. Clearly you miss the impact of the Fab 5 or you weren't alive to understand it.
If you were alive and in Ann Arbor in 1993 you'd understand the importance of the Fab 5 and their legacy. It was an unbelievable time with a decades long impact. You can hate the aftermath, the sanctions, the Amaker years as a response and all associated with the Webber/Martin issues. Nonetheless, the status and impact of the Fab 5 is immeasurable to both the university and culturally. The Fab 5 movie touched on this a bit but fell short of what it was really like. The Fab 5 remain relevant to modern era kids.
That the Fab 5 felt it important to get together as friends to support this year's team, to fly in, to buy tickets and to attend the game is indicative of their commitment to this year's team. Support from former athletes and alumni is not a bad thing.
OP your premise is ridiculous.
The Fab 5 still has its legacy. It had its adoration. It had its moment. It is STILL a part of the University's history. But to take any atttention from the current student athletes is shameless.
And yet, why do I feel if the guys sitting there were Glen Rice, Loy Vaught, Terry Mills, and Mike Griffin, you wouldn't have an issue with it? The double standard when it comes to the Fab Five is simply preposterous.
I don't want to get into individual debates about this subject as i have been in enough already, but I find it ironic that a person feels that the fab five are trying to steal the spotlight or are getting too much attention that should be focused on the current team and then starts a board topic complaining about it...Am I the only one that feels this way?
Full disclosure, I am from Canada so I miss out on a lot of the media coverage on such things, but I can say with absolute certainty that the place I saw the most commentary (whether it be good or bad) about the fab five during this tournament run has been right here on this blog.
From what I have seen from afar it hasn't been the fab five trying to make anything about "them". They are alumni who want to cheer on the cuurent team. The people making it about "the fab five" are those fans who, twenty years later, are still so butt hurt and unforgiving that they don't want the world to forget that a college kid made a mistake and took some money someone offered him (20 years ago).
Maybe I'm just too forgiving a person, but I would suggest that people who are still harboring this grudge get the hell over it alreay. The main concern seemed to be (from what I have read on the myriad threads leading up to the final) that what happened 20 years ago would overshadow what the current team was accomlishing, and guess what...the only place I heard anyone talking about the fab five in any negative way was right here. That's right, no mention of sanctions, final four banners taken down, a kid taking money, the Ed Martin scandal, nothing. Just good natured discussion about the fact that they too accomplished something 20 years ago. Why can't we just let it go like everyone else in the world has?
Yeah, they got together for this game. But have you listened to a word they've said? Constantly deflecting praise to Team 96, complimenting their talent, selflessness, effort and how they represent Michigan and make all of us proud.
This isn't the Fab Five seeking attention, or trying to steal attention. This is the media making it a big deal that our alumni are supporting us and the Fab Five doing a great job NOT making it about themselves.
Jalen has been the top ambassador for Michigan basketball for the last 4-6 years -- on ESPN, Grandland, and just in general. This isn't about the Fab Five. We can make it about the Fab Five in May, when I completely endorse welcoming them all back.