is a joke.
landing spot. will be interesting to see how he does.
It wasn't even close. I don't know what to say.
there are 3 words Jim Joyce needs to say I Fucked UP
He should be fired immediatley.
Absolutely. I'm not going to wish ill will on him like I've unfortunately been hearing, but the only solution is for MLB to fire him. You cannot screw up at your job this badly and keep it.
Pavel Datsyuk thinks Jim Joyce should visit Dr. Rahmani while in Detroit.
Congratulations to Armando Galarraga on an amazing game
i cannot describe how bad i feel for gallaraga. A perfect game is the pinnacle of pitching, and he was robbed of one.
Theres already 2 Tigers threads. I'm pretty sure you could have put this in the latest one.
Yes it is.
a post that has no value to it, of which it fits into one of the threads already on the board and has 10 replies just like it, needs to have its own post? I get it, people are pissed. But I'm pretty sure all the rage can be kept in 1 thread.
Why does it matter this much to you?
it's good form to post threads like these because, as you can see, it has degraded into a shithole of a thread with no point to it. No good was going to come from it the moment it was posted.
/gets down off of soapbox
Oh come on. Did you not hear the news about what happened? People need a chance to vent about some things. Sure, maybe the thread will end up getting cleared by tomorrow morning, but do you want someone to take this out on their dog?
need to vent on here so they don't take it out on somebody/something else, I suggest re-evaluating things.
Well, it's much better than overturning cars and setting them on fire or throwing things out of windows in anger.
needing to re-evaluate things if these are things that people feel they need to do to vent.
We aren't Sparty.
Are you f'ing kidding me?! Have you never gotten emtional about sports before? Almo bowl?????
edit, I think I replied to the wrong person here.
Come on, that argument won't work. Detroit burned a few cars in '84 when they won. A person got killed celebrating Boston's '04 title by a beanbag projectile fired by police. And I hope you remember the reaction we all had to the Miami game where we also got screwed. No matter what, good or bad, people will vent or celebrate in ways that are easily worse than this.
Get over yourself...these forums are exactly for these types of things. It's a user community. If you don't agree with the subject or don't want to be a part of it, stop posting.
Why did you come on here to vent to us about having to many threads for this subject then? To not vent like this is to not be human. Its almost as if you came to this thread to attack the fact of to many threads rather than contribute to what the thread was meant for.
I knew it was gonna go downhill right away, hence there was no meaning for the thread.
venting. Could there be better things to do... yes, but its good to get a good talk with your buddies after a stressful situation.
The only thing "downhill" about this thread is your MgoPoints due to your inability to grasp that quite a few members of this blog are also die hard Tiger's fans.
Sports fanatics + Horsheshit call = Armageddon.
I will say this. Your ill advised interjection has provided an outlet for venting. We thank you.
Would it not matter to you if Desmond was mysteriously and erroneously whistled down on the one and didn't get the great moment of striking the Heisman pose?
Hell I'm a diehard Indians fan (read: frequently depressed) and that call ruined my night.
while not a Tigers fan, I love to see historical moments. Hell, I was cheering for Jimenez when he was no hitting my Braves. I was cheering for Roy Halladay, even if it meant the Phillies went another game up. I was pulling for Galaraga to get the perfect game. I just find the threats in the thread to be embarrassing.
That's BS, don't backtrack now. Look at the time stamp on your first comment - you starting bitching about this thread well before anyone said anything inappropriate.
If you bitch about anything M related this fall, I'll be the first one to call you out.
Knowing how much of an asshole I can be (see last night and the ducttape/sweatshirt thread)...I'll be number two.
My first comment was asking if it was needed when there were already a couple threads on the game already and stating that nothing good come out of a thread. It doesn't take alot of brain power to figure out that a thread like this was going to be bad long before it turned out to be. I started bitching about about the about the threats after they were made.
And I don't hope people die over the internet. Sorry. If you see me stoop to that level, i hope you'll let me know about it.
Well, sorry you had to write all those other unnecessary comments. To answer your first, dumb question:
Yes, it was needed.
you sir are an idiot. sorry. you complain about starting a new thread on this bad call, yet you post countless items on it. nobody forces you to read any thread, yet you've also posted several time on it. what does it say about you. personally, i can scan the threads, read the op, and if it's anyway interesting, i'll post something. otherwise i move on. suggestion - do the same.
it deserves its own fucking thread
I didn't know Jim Joyce had an Mgoblog account!
Yes, the name Jim Joyce doesn't even deserve to be in the same Tigers thread. It is on it's own complete level of suckage. He is the anit-christ.
You sir have failed at life.
NUTS AND BOLTS
NUTS AND BOLTS
And He is, indeed, Angry and Michigan Sports Hating
Thats pathetic. MLB will be making a statement soon I'm sure. I feel terrible for Gallaraga though, started the season in the minors, comes up for what most people feel will be a couple spot starts and ends up getting absolutely robbed of a Perfect Game
That just pisses me off so god damn much! HE THREW A PERFECT GAME, only to get royally FUCKED by the ump. HE WAS OUT BY A FUCKIN STEP, IT WASNT EVEN CLOSE!!!!!!!!!
This is the best single post on the subject. It wasn't even close.
The Freep could go a long way towards redeeming themselves by printing a "Perfect Game" headline tomorrow, refusing to acknowledge an obviously incorrect call. It's not like the one hit occured in the fifth inning or something - it was the final out, the game was over. I refuse to recognize that call - 21 perfect games in MLB history!
they'll probably blame Rich Rod...something about how the way the Michigan football program is being run affected MLB refereeing
I can see if it was an inch or so but the dude was out by feet! If they can review homeruns why can't they review that? How can you let a perfect game die like that MLB?!!'
i didn't see the game - only replays. but i would think the home plate ump would stop action, huddle with the other umps, and change the call. i know this isn't normal protocal, but this wasn't a normal game.
If Bud Selig has any sense left in those brains, he'll come out tomorrow and declare that a perfect game. Yea, that's probably not gonna happen or even possible, but i'm fucking outraged.
Is the MLB allowed to rescind the safe call and give Gallaraga a perfect game? I haven't seen the play yet but it sounds like it was a pretty obvious wrong call from the reaction on here...
I think a couple years ago when C.C. Sabathia almost threw a no-hitter and it was blown in controversial fashion, the Milwaukee Brewers tried to appeal the call to the MLB, I'm not too sure of the details but I know the appeal was overturned. I'm guessing the Tigers would try to do this if possible, even though it's not likely that it would change anything.
IIRC they tried to get the one hit ruled an error (which it should have been), but MLB wouldn't reverse the call.
At the very least, the scorer could rule it an error and at least salvage a no-hitter. I doubt that Selig will do the right thing and call it a perfect game. Remember, this is the guy who stopped the all-star game once in a tie after 11 innings!
I'm all for instant replay, but they need to find a more reliable way to implement it (tennis's seems pretty much infallible) -- high-speed cameras pointed at each base would be a start. I've seen several home run calls made wrong on replay. The current system is just enough to allow the crew to get some bad calls wrong twice while not enough to correct some (I have one in mind) other really awful calls.
are they allowed to? Well, considering that Selig changed the definition of "no-hitter" and "perfect game" a few years ago, yeah, they're most certainly allowed to.
Will they do anything? very unlikely. The most I'd expect is that they'd acknowledge the wrong call was made (from what I've heard, Joyce has done that already). I suppose it's possible that they could order the game replayed from that point (Donald at the plate, 2 out), but I wouldn't expect that they'd reverse the call. (The official rules seem to refer mostly to protests of games that are lost on a questionable call, not to games like this.)
I wonder about that myself.
i'm not even a tigers fan but that was the biggest highway robbery I have EVER seen in a game. They should make a rule just because of this game that the league can go back and review shit like that. He deserved a perfect game and its really a shame that he got so fucked. Great game by Galarraga. I almost feel bad for Jim Joyce for the shitstorm about to ensue on him and probably his family...
This type of thing is terrible for baseball and makes Bud Selig look like a dinosaur living in the dark ages. Dude needs to get off the nostalgia/tradition train and get replay like football. There is nothing poetic or pure about a game with no replay. In fact, I would argue that replay gets the call right and corrects things. Joyce made a mistake. If he had replay, it would be over-turned and he wouldn't be the biggest A-Hole in Detroit right now. He would be releived to know he didn't take away Galarraga's place in the history books. I don't completely blame Joyce. I put more blame on Selig for sucking as a commissioner and not understanding how to evolve his sport.
Or at least a E10 no hitter. (10, of course, being the ump.)
I haven't been this angry since Michigan State 2001.
Is this a catalyst for instant replay?
Yeah, but I doubt anything will come of it. MLB is such a joke when it comes to their officials, I doubt they'll even be able to push this needed change against the weak union that the umpire maintains. I just feel horrible for Galarraga - you must lose a perfect game on a play on the field, not by some ump's brain fart.
If this doesn't do it, nothing will. What utter horse shit. I'm not a Tigers fan but that man stole something from Galarraga that he is unlikely to ever get the chance to replicate. I know umps are only human, but come on man. You have to get THAT call right.
I hope so. I feel it benefits the umpires more than anyone because they don't have to be perfect at their job. I can't even imagine sports like football, hockey, or tennis without replay anymore. It's helped tremendously. I think baseball should follow suit.
Jim Joyce--dong-puncher of the century
Jim Joyce isn't fired immediately, then there is no God.................
There must be something wrong with me because I don't feel any rage, and can't understand the rage at Joyce for blowing the call.
Then yes, there absolutely is.
I feel bad for Armando but at the end of the day it's just a baseball game.
He just completed one of the most rare events in all of sports, only to get it robbed. Emotions are only natural right now.
Galaragga was quite classy after the game, he would make a great Michigan fan
Right, and this cornerstone of this blog is "just Michigan football."
Some people get into their sports more than others.
Oh, and it gets better.
Since Jim Joyce worked 1st base tonight, I'll give you all one good guess as to who is scheduled to be behind the plate tomorrow. One hint: it ain't Ron Luciano.
Selig will pull him. He has too. Laird (and the rest of the players) was PISSED after the game.
I love that Cabrera was giving him so much shit after that call.
Not going to lie, I was hoping Joyce would toss him out of the game (if a 1b ump can even do that?) simply to increase his chances of getting pink slipped tonight.
Did you notice Joyce say , "What do you want me to do, give it to him" to Cabrera?
Nope, just get it right.
I had no intention of going to the game tomorrow, but I might have to now. Ill get good and lubricated on $8.50 Labatt Blues and let that assbag have it all night
Baseball needs instant replay for these types of situations.
If you go to his wikipedia page it shows his lifespan as (October 3 1955 - June 2, 2010).... ya done screwed up joyce
"I missed it from here to that wall... I missed it. I missed it."
Jim Joyce is the anit-Michigan Mustache.
Just pile it on this guy - he's from Ohio and went to Bowling Green.
Has anyone else ever felt this sick after a win? Ugh, it seems like nothing can go right in Detroit sports these days.
this play deserved a flavor flave woooooooooow, worst fucking call ever.
Anyone surprise he went to school in Ohio, and ruined a Michigan team member's perfect game?
if that is the exact point where the ball was caught then...wow. That was a bad call. That was an historically bad call. Now I understand the rage. Holy crap that was bad.
This is, has, and will be, a place to vent to some extent.
Now, if you'll excuse me, that steak and cheese sub is bothering me a bit. I have to go take a Jim Joyce.
Even the hitter Donald thought he was out and couldn't believe the call
This gave me the exact same physiological reaction as Turner's half courter in the BTT. The surge of whatever it is that went through my body when Dickerson said safe is something I hope to never feel again. And then to get home and see the replay.... tragic.
can people defend Jim Joyce blowing that particular call? I mean, hell, if it was even close, maybe...but it wasn't...so it was just a baseball game? Give me a freaking break! It wasn't just a baseball game, it was a PERFECT GAME for God's sake.....how do you blow that call? Damn!!
I think that anytime something like this happens, the rage level generally goes downhill something like this:
Immediately: GODDAMMIT! THAT WAS THE WORST THING EVAAARR!!!! I'M GONNA KILL YOU AND THROW YOU IN THE RIVER!!!!!
2 hours later: GODDAMMIT!!! THAT WAS HORRIBLE!! I'M GONNA PUNCH YOU IN THE HEAD!!!
4-6 hours later: Goddammit, that sucked.
Next day: Dammit......*sigh*.............
At least he admitted how terrible of a call it was....
the play wasn't even that close. it would have been a bad call in any situation, not just the last out of a perfect game.
Don Denkinger is scratching his head and saying "What the fuck?"
IF Joyce works the plate tomorrow, over/under on ejections: 4.5
Edit: shit, someone already edited it back to normal.
It said, "On June 2, 2010 umpire Jim Joyce (a.k.a. "The Disgraceful Douche") made an even worse call than Don Denkinger, so it would seem that nobody should worry about Denkinger anymore."
Outstanding, Jim! (not Joyce, that's for damn sure)
IF Joyce works the plate tomorrow, odds of Laird* conveniently missing the first high fastball delivery from Porcello: 1:5.
(*I'm guessing Laird will catch the day game after a night game caught by Avila)
With Don Dekinger's call in the 1985 World Series which cost the Cardinals the World Series over the Royals. Now i can sympathize with St Louis fans. Worst call I've ever seen!
Jim Joyce, BGSU Grad which must make a OSU fan by default. I wont forget that and neither should you.
Instant Replay. It's the 21st century and I think Cy Young would be okay with it.
Up until tonight I've been very anti reply. Now, what can you say to defend business-as-usual?
But really, MLB should determine it a perfect game. It didn’t affect the outcome of the game. Only 20 people EVER(!), dating back to 1880, have thrown a perfect game in the Majors. This is a life defining moment. This is something you tell grandkids and they tell their friends and everyone understands its significance. Go to anywhere in North or Central America, or East Asia, this feat is understood. This isn’t just a game at this point, it truly is a life defining moment for Armando. This isn’t even about me, or other Tiger fans, this is about Armando. If it is rescinded, and declared a perfect game, then if the player that got the ‘hit’ reaches an incentive at the end of the year because of this then the MLB should pay for it. This is outrageous, because this is something that should put his name in history, and his life defining moment was just taken away from him. That’s what frustrates and disappoints me the most.
There is no debate on 'should Selig do that', but can Selig do that?
the thing is, that would put an asterisk next to Galarraga's performace, maybe even more so than what we have now.
It would be there. Right now it's not even there. This wouldn't be an asterisk like steroids. At least he would still be the 21st person to ever throw a perfect game, and still give him the rights to claim the life defining moment, asterisks or not.
I think will put an asterisk next to Jim Joyce, not Galarraga. He did trow a perfect game, the call was wrong.
we need damn replay! I don't care if the game is longer. If you hire officials that can't make a 4th grade call...than take it to video you assholes!
I think Selig can still invoke a "best interests of baseball" clause here.
that was a pathetic call
his wiki page did just have this up haha
James A. Joyce III (October 3, 1955 - June 2, 2010
but Selig has to take that ball and put it in Cooperstown. Give Gallaraga and asterisk in the record books if you have to. That was a Perfect Game. Point Blank.
Who is an intern at Fox Sports Detroit- she was at the park tonight- and she just texted me saying that Joyce needed a police escort to leave the ballpark tonight.
Joyce will need a police escort to and from every Tigers game he ever does in the Motor City ever again- it is just a shame....
We still can't take anything away from Galarraga- he was fantastic tonight- 88 pitches and a CG- the first of his career- hopefully this will springboard him going forward!
"I just cost that kid a perfect game," Joyce said. "I thought he beat the throw. I was convinced he beat the throw, until I saw the replay."
About being confronted afterward: "I don't blame them a bit or anything that was said," Joyce said. "I would've said it myself if I had been Galarraga. I would've been the first person in my face, and he never said a word to me."
"It was the biggest call of my career," said Joyce, who became a full-time major league umpire in 1989.
At least he owned up to it.
H/T ESPN Recap: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=300602106
After the press conference, Joyce personally apologized to Gallaraga with tears in his eyes. It was a terrible call, but we should all take our cue from Gallaraga's gracious response, and recognize that Joyce deserves credit for admiting his mistake.
Can't just say "my bad I screwed up" with tears in their eyes and everything is okay. He should be fired he shouldn't get paid he should be done. Any other profession and he'd be ostricized by the community but since this is MLB baseball he'll probably get a fucking medal of honor for his honesty.
I'm a scientist and we get shit wrong all the time. I'm all about being upset from this, but lets not just make things up here.
well you know who don't make no junk? GOD!
You think that you've found the cure for cancer. You say we've found the cure for cancer. People are elated but then you realize that your cure for cancer will cure the cancer but will kill the host. You go on tv and say "dude my bad" and everybody just says "yeah it's okay".
This was egregious, it was completely wrong, and there's no way in flying fuck that unless he is for sure out should he make that call period. Just as you shouldn't report you've found the cure for cancer unless you for sure have the cure.
This just wasn't a missed call. Or a missed strike or a missed ball that's the last out in the perfect game that's only happened 20 times in over 100 years of baseball. This is hardly "just a mistake".
He should be done. Period.
That is the most ridiculous analogy I think I've ever seen on this blog.
Dude, I'll be the first to say how much it sucks to have the only perfect game most of us will ever see (if you play the odds) taken away. But comparing a MLB perfect game to the cure of cancer? Really? Finding a cure for cancer is not even close to a good example.
To be fair, one scientist has done something horribly wrong. The South Korean that claimed he cloned a human, but after months and months it came out that he did some horribly wrong and unethical things. Much much much worse than missing a call in a baseball game. And he wasn't fired on the spot. (But, he got blacklisted for ever getting funding).
There is no profession where one mistake results in termination, bouje. He owned up to it. It's all he can do - umps fuck that call up daily - just not always with a perfect game on the line.
You ever work in manufacturing?
"Oops. I welded that piece of equipment in the wrong spot."
"That piece of equipment was worth 3.5 million. You're fired."
I see it every. single. day. And I'll bet you anything Armando could turn a perfect game in his record into 3.5 million over the course of his career.
Perhaps, but it's also possible that the infamy this situation brought will translate into something as well. Furthermore, I think his show of class even after getting dongpunched shows he's a good guy and good teammate.
I'm pretty sure the guys that hold the pursestrings won't gloss over his one-hitter when it comes to contract negotiations.
An actual co-worker of mine this year made one bad move (he flipped out and punched another guy in the office) and was fired that day. No suspension, no warning, just let go. It was BS, but it can happen.
Wow, way to compare apples to road signs. If Joyce would have punched Galarraga, he would have been fired.
Read the post I was responding to before you neg.
I'm not vilifying Joyce or drawing an analogy to this situation, just noting that it is in fact possible for people to get terminated over single acts.
I didn't neg anyone.
Punching a co-worker is not a 'single act'. It's a crime. There is a difference.
Oops! I accidentally punched you in the face. Sorry, it won't happen again. I swear. Now if you will let me get back to my job.....
I'm sorry I brought this up, because this is someone I actually know and care about, but for the record, 1) he did not punch the other guy in the face; and 2) it was in the context of an heated confrontation. I did not witness it, but those who were present (including the guy he punched) felt that it was more deserving of suspension/counseling than outright dismissal.
Blowing a call is negligent, punching your co-worker is battery. That's why Joyce won't get fired and your coworker got summarily fired.
Given the great Stretchgate scandal, you'd think all of us Michigan fans would know how to distinguish between an act of negligence and a willful act of violence--you know, like a certain mass co-ed beatdown carried out at Rather Hall.
Come on people: the call sucked. When they showed the replay, I screamed at the TV and woke up my 11-month old son. But let's show some intelligence if not class.
OK, the two of you are misunderstanding me here. I'm not drawing an analogy between that situation and this call. I'm not calling for Joyce to be fired. I agree that he has handled this as well as he could. It's just that the statement above - "There is no profession where one mistake results in termination" - is not true.
And you are misunderstanding us. Punching a guy is not a mistake.
If someone punches a co-worker in the face, while on the job, they should be fired. No question, no excuses.
If a lawyer commits perjury he loses his license
If a doctor commits malpractice he can lose his license
If a police officer shoots an unarmed suspect he could be fired.
I'm not saying Jim Joyce should be fired, but there are are plenty of professions in which the "right" mistake will cost you your job.
Did I say everything should be "okay" for Joyce? There should be--and will be--professional repercussions for him.
My point is simply that sometimes you fuck up royally and the true test of your mettle is how you respond to the fuck up. I think Joyce has revealed himself to be a decent guy. No sugarcoat.
Meanwhile, Galarraga's response has been incredibly gracious and he deserves massive credit.
And considering the firestorm that was coming on him, he did exactly the right thing. And at least we got an apology this time. Did we ever get one after the Miami game? If we did, I don't remember hearing one.
Just heard abou this, didn't catch the game today. I need to see it
Yes, you do need to see it. And no, you won't believe your eyes.
I thought he was from Toronto after that bad call but nooooo ... OHIO
James A. Joyce III (born October 3, 1955, in Toledo, Ohio) is an umpire in Major League Baseball who has worked in the American League (AL) from 1987 to 1999 and throughout both major leagues since 2000. He attended Bowling Green State University. He wears uniform number 66 (he wore uniform number 6 while in the American League). His strike call is extremely loud and enthusiastic, similar to that of now-retired umpire Bruce Froemming. Joyce has u... More
Galarraga is one classy guy. If that was me, I'm not sure if any force on Earth could prevent me from going after that ump and unleashing an unholy string of curses at him. Galarraga just smiled, shrugged his shoulders, and went back to work getting the 28th out of the game
I'm mad at myself for not watching, because they've been on a losing streak. But I'm also glad, because I have no doubt I would've broken my TV.
This is tantamount to an Michigan running back rushing for a record number of TD's in a game, and then having the last one called back on a horrible, horrible call.
This is bs nothing bad happens to refs when they fuck up. It is these peoples jobs when other people fuck up at their job there are consequences. Unfortunately nothing will happen to this peace of shit.
Fuck jim Joyce.
to listen to the stuttering idiot Drew Sharp on ESPNNEWS and his "rage" over the call.
Shit, Griffey picked a bad day to retire.
EDIT; another thing, DS sits there and talks about what a great job Joyce normally does and what a stand up thing it was to accept responsibility and say he was wrong.
oh the irony.
The claims for death are exaggerated, but I'm legitimately sad over a regular season baseball game, in which nobody died.
That shouldn't happen. Whoever starts tomorrow better be gunning fastballs at Joyce's chest, show him what pain feels like.
Does replay seem like a good idea to anyone else?
NOOO! I hate replay. It ruins the flow of the game and sometimes gets the call wrong regardless. That doesn't mention it kills the purity of the sport.
I feel bad for the big cat (get it, galarraga) but frankly I'm anti-replay in all sports.
You're honestly not in favor of replay when we could have had the 3rd perfect game this season?
No. Where do you draw the line? The games are long enough. Now I gotta watch the 4 umps go into the tunnel wait 20 minutes to review a close call every inning!? The homerun review's a total joke. Hell, I don't even care for football replay (see: LSU - Bama from earlier this year).
Again, it sucks for Galarraga, but they shouldn't fuck the game up because the kid was close to a perfecto.
I would agree that not every close call should be reviewed, but they could limit reviews to the ninth inning and extra innings and perhaps allow one "manager's challenge" per game.
As for Joyce's call, that was the epitome of highway robbery.
Says you being from New York! If this happened to the Mets or Yankees or even Michigan, you would be as pissed off as we are!
Gimme a break. At least I'm rational enough to understand the ramifications of replay. The homerun replay already takes 15-20 minutes and it doesn't always get the call right. Given, it would've given this kid a perfect game, but it's not good for the game. You need to look at the bigger picture.
Are we going to review balls and strikes? Check swings?
What happens if there were other runners on base with less than two outs and there's a bothched call then all hell breaks loose on the bases? There are other factors involved?
the absurd thing is if this had been a called home run to end the perfect game it would have been reviewed. but it was a routine grounder so it's not.
give managers review flags and limited usage just to appease your ridiculous "review everything" claim
This is what we all want to see. Jim Leyland throwing out a red flag, take a stroll to the lead umpire, talk about the play in question. Watch all 4 umps go into the clubhouse. Wait. Wait. Wait. Then come out and make the call.
Of course this would only be for perfect games in the 9th inning.
You can't limit replays to the end of the game. The 3rd inning can impact the game just as much as the 8th inning.
What's your point? The NBA also reviews 3 pointers regardless of the time of the game.
Apples and Oranges
And no one watches the NBA because the replay has made the game too slow...er, or not?
My point was that the NBA has a special replay rule for end-of-game situations. Earlier in the game, shots taken as the shot-clock expires aren't automatically reviewed--even though if one of those calls is blown, that could affect the game just as much as a mistaken call on a buzzer-beater. How's that for apples-to-apples?
Bringing up what they do about 3-pointers is apples and oranges.
You're a fucking moron. Basketball is a timed sport. The replays are also unclear at times (see: Syracuse - UConn 6ot game)
Why even have umpires? Let's just have one guy in a booth with a tv.
You're all a bunch of sour pusses.
Now you're just being a jerk. Go away.
This is the biggest problem I have with Michigan fans, being an out of state student (and now alumn). People like you, UMxWolverines.
Somethings are better left untouched. Would you bitch and moan if the Tigers benefitted from the call? Tigers win the pennant on a botched call? No. You'd probably make some retarded pun or joke about it. Then talk about how great you are.
Give it a rest. There is no replay. And go back to yaking about the 2010 Michigan schedule.
Well, a lot of people would argue that making the wrong call there DID fuck the game up.
I would rather the flow be messed up a bit and the right call be made, versus horrible calls like this being made when a simple replay could have fixed it. And what "purity" of the game do you speak of - you mean the same sport that once allowed segregation, anti-semitism, illegal pitches, corked bats, and performance enhancing drugs? Come on - purity of the game disappeared years ago, if it ever existed in the first place. I want to see the right thing happen out there, not perpetuated fixable human error just because it gives 60-year-old sportswriters an opportunity to wax nostalgic.
NAME ME ONE SPORT THAT HASN'T USED PERFORMANCE ENHANCING DRUGS!!!!!
note your usage of the word ENHANCING
plenty of detracting drugs in that one.
So you are going to overlook anti-semitism, racism, and outright cheating by players, but performance-enhancing drugs is what you are going to focus on?
I'll give you that performance-enhancing drugs have tainted most major sports, but the fact remains that maintaining the "purity" of any major sport by ignoring modern technological advancements that would make the game better is a losing argument.
Racism existed in most sports during the '40's, '50's and '60's. Baseball just happened to have separate leagues. negro league players are also in the baseball HOF so at least they're trying.
Every sport has cheaters: Tim Donaghy, Bill Belichick, Floyd Landis
So STFU. You know i'm right.
this is twice in one year we screwed by umps last year when inge was hit by pitch. In which it cost us the game and playoffs and now this.
How much longer before baseball uses an "Instant Replay"? Tonight is a prime example of human error. I have to wonder, are they instructed to make calls even if they are not 100% sure they are correct? How do you become an umpire and blow a historical moment in a players career?
I really hope Selig takes notice, and impliments some form of review on disputed/ or close calls. For the sake of the teams, and for the sake of the officiating staff. Wow, what a travesty of justice here.IMO
If the MLB has any brains, and believe it or not they do, Joyce will be at second base for the remainder of the series and next time he comes to Detroit.
It will be the farthest from the crowd as he can be to prevent being berated and for safety in case some deranged fan runs on the field and he needs to be protected from violence.
EDIT: Supposed to be in response to a post on the second page.
I've seen some shitty reffing this past few years: Countless Red Wings goals disallowed, 10-3 in penalties in game 2 of the Sharks-Wings, Michigan goal disallowed denying them the Frozen Four this year, pass interference on Boubacar Cissoko when Johnny Sears tackles him, and on and on and on.
It was the 27th out in a perfect game. No other blown call could come close. End of discussion.
to the tsunami of outrage, disgust and sadness and award the perfect game.
It might not mean the same as the celebration that should have taken place on the field, but the history books could write that in an era marked with blemishes, the game did the right thing.
Is "Referee Pitman" ... The backstory: SNL, 1989. John Goodman is hosting (k.d. lang was the musical guest). Playing NFL referee, "Pitman", Goodman takes questions from the audience:
Rock Clark: Okay, Ref, last week you called the Bills-Oilers game in Houston. Let's take a look at some highlights.
[ clips are shown of the Ref's erronous calls ]
Okay, there you are making the call. There's an offsides.. there's a defensive holding.. and there's a too-many-men-on-the-field.
[ return to Ref and Rock in the studio ]
Okay. As you can see, it was an exciting game, and there were some controversial calls. I understand, Ref, that you were hit by a bottle after the game?
Referee Pitman: Well.. yes, I was hit, Rock. It was, uh.. it was actually a jar.. I believe, sort of a pickle jar. Well, inside the jar was a fetus. It was a pig fetus, not a human fetus like the one in Philadelphia.. and fortunately it didn't shatter, like in Philadelphia.
Here's the link to the whole skit:
Galarraga has a lucrative FreeCreditReport.com contract coming
"I thought I had a perfect credit score until I found out some guy named Tim Toyce made it not the case. If I had used FreeCreditReport.com I wouldn't need a replay from the credit card companies to know my credit game was still perfect. "
While nothing can change this travesty, I am delighted to see that Jim Joyce is truly realizing of what he screwed up.
Also, HUGE props to Galaragga for his reaction to the situation. Hugging the man that stole a perfect game from you? What the hell kid? My new favorite Tiger.
I know almost nothing about baseball, but from what I've seen and read so far this is what I've gleaned:
Joyce made a horrible call. He then proceeded to handle it in the most professional, classy way possible. Galaragga handled it in the most professional, classy way possible. Leyland also handled it in the most professional, classy way possible.
Reffing isn't easy, and mistakes will be made. All arguments on this subject should be directed at whether and when replay should be allowed, and not at how much Joyce sucks, because I haven't seen anything to suggest that this was a case of incompetence.
How did you feel after the Almo bowl game? It was a close enough situation that if you got upset, you could relate to this.
I'm not disagreeing with your post, just making a statement that directly after a crap call...it sucks to be a fan.
Oh absolutely, I was crushed. I stewed for days. I also never heard an apology from the refs though :).
For a little perspective, the World Series has been contested every year since 1903 except 1904 & 1994, so there have been 105 WS champions in baseball history. Only 21 people (including Galarraga - I refuse to recognize Joyce's call) have ever pitched perfect games.
The best other-sport parallels would be something like Michigan's 1901 season - unbeaten, untied, and unscored upon, a hockey goalie shutting out an entire playoff series, or a quadruple-double in basketball (only occured 4 times by official reckoning).
True. It took a lot for Joyce even to apologize for the error, which is a lot more than what any other ref/ump can say. The guys on MLB Network were discussing if the umpires know what is going on in the game, i.e. perfect game. They absolutely do. The thing is that 9.99 out of 10 people will say if they were in that situation, if it's THAT close, you have to give the pitcher the out.
He was trying to make the right call, but he also made an incredibly gutsy call in which he was wrong. He didn't even ask for help. It's incredibly frusterating, and I still can't help but wonder what was going on in his head.
I'm tired of seeing refs/umps take a game away from the PLAYERS and put it on themselves. Their job is to protect the game, not make a name for themselves.
He owned up to it, but wow. This one hurts more than any other recent Detroit/Michigan sports related game in recent memory. I haven't been this gutwrenched since the 2006 OSU game.
How you could see what happened and still argue that replay would be bad for baseball is beyond me
Edit: Just read post above me and couldn't agree more. Joyce shouldn't get the blame for this because mistakes happen and to not take advantage of technology and willfully deny the right call is stubborn beyond reason. It's sad that Galarraga has to be cost a perfect game to show MLB what they have to do.
Late to the party here, but obviously I am disgusted at the call. What a screwjob.
GoBlue1065 is a tool btw.
Is this the worst call in the history of sports? While it's most likely not going to directly determine a championship, I can't think of a single blown call with more historical significance on the line.
Denkinger may have cost the Cardinals the 1985 World Series, but the Cards have won other World Series, and there is a World Series champion every year. The National League started in 18-freaking-76. That's 134 years ago, folks. There have been 20 perfect games in Major League history. So, there is a perfect game once every 6.7 years.
Can someone nominate a worse call?
had plenty of chances to put that game away as bad as that call was. This was plenty worse and I have not thought of or been presented with a worse call in all the discussion I've had with friends and such in the last few hours. Nobody can come up with anything worse and I don't think they will.
And he pitched the whole game from start to finish in 88 fucking pitches
Armando Galarraga is the classiest classburger in Classville. What a champ
2 outs in bottom of eighth, 1-0 game. Damon hit grounder to short, throw to first clearly beat him. Joyce called him safe. Tigers then score 2 . Turned 1-0 game to 3-0. Joyce blew more than one call.
was at least a close call though. The last one was epicly bad.
That earlier blown call brings up an interesting point. Had instant replay been in place for that type of call, then that earlier call may have been overturned. There's no way to know how the ninth inning would have then played out. It almost certainly wouldn't have played out exactly the same way.
I wouldnt mind seeing him lose his pay for the game or some other penalty that would prompt him to think before he makes a game changing call...
With Matt Joyce having been traded from the Tigers a couple of years ago, there is an obvious conflict of interest here with Jim Joyce. MLB should allow him to recuse himself from the call which would then go to the home plate umpire. Galaraga gets perfect game, Joyce can save face, everybody is happy.
Seriously though, I usually am very harsh on refs/umpires, but I feel bad for Joyce, Galaraga, and all Tiger fans. It was really classy to apologize the way he did, and not hide from it.
Anybody listen to Galarraga on Baseball Tonight? It just gives me an admiration that's almost unparalleled.....the guy was just on the receiving end of what looks to be the worst blown call in sports history and he still seems to be keeping a very positive attitude the entire time. I admire him because I am some dude who really likes the Tigers and baseball and I am sitting here in my apartment steaming over it yet he is able to keep his head and basically take a positive perspective from it. Maybe I need to get my priorities straight.
...I am still disappointed by the call. I feel horrible for Armando, but strangely I feel horrible for Jim Joyce. He made a mistake, it happens. The rest of the guy's career will be defined by tonight; that's his punishment. Strangely if I was lucky enough to go to the ball game tomorrow I would cheer Jim Joyce. You could tell he felt horrible in his press conference, he apologized to Armando, it was a tough bang-bang play. Worst call in MLB history, let's at least say it is in the conversation. Is Jim Joyce the worst umpire ever? That seems unfair. Give the guy a break. Armando still pitched a perfect game to true Tiger fans.
JIm Joyce is lucky that it wasn't Verlander on the mound. Something tells me JV wouldn't have simply similed awkardly and hugged him after the game.
"Something tells me JV wouldn't have simply similed awkardly"
Would he have metaphored instead?
I found out he and my boss were roommates at BGSU.
Since we're within the six degrees of separation, maybe slapping ourselves silly screaming, "WHAT WERE YOU THINKING??!?" helps Jim Joyce feel it. Just a little bit.
let me say that I was as outraged -- and as disappointed -- as most of the posters before me on this thread when the call was made. I was in the stands when Tom Seaver lost a perfect game on a little flare hit by a career .220 hitter and I remember how deflated I was. But, as someone who writes about baseball for a fantasy baseball website, let me try to put some things in perspective. The ones who are most hurt by this are not Galarraga or the Tigers, but you the fans. The Tigers won the game, and twenty years from now, Galarraga will be remembered more than most of the 20 before him who threw a perfect game -- more baseball fans recall Harvey Haddix' 36 out perfect game against the Braves than most of the guys on the perfect game list. Do you think the Michigan legislature would be passing resolutions if Joyce got the call right? With regard to Joyce, not only does he get some credit for taking the blame, there may be an explanation -- albeit not a satisfactory explanation -- for how he missed the call. When there's going to be a close call at first, most umpires use the sound test. That is, they look at the runner and they listen for the slap of the ball into the first baseman's mitt. In this instance, Galarraga caught the ball in the web of the glove. Thus, it's possible there was no "thwack". That may be what happened to Joyce. Like I said, he made a mistake -- a bad one -- but aside from the timing, it's no worse than mistakes that were probably made in half the major league baseball games last night. Further, if baseball did have a replay rule, there would be very few calling for Joyce's head today. BTW, for a similar perspective on the imperfecto and Joyce, I commend to you Rob Neyer's column at espn.com.