The Rivals message board is blowing up with Harbaugh to UM hype. Seems like Balas and Helmholdt are convinced he's coming. I'm having Les Miles flashbacks from 3 years ago.
i refuse to even consider this a possibility
Have you heard from him since?
He was boarding a one-way flight...
The tamales in Cochabamba are to die for.
Good poop in the pants Jim!
If so, are they the Banditos Yanquis?
Like youve never pooped your pants before?
The tamales from Potosi are the best, they have hard boiled eggs in them.
My sister is dating Brady Hoke. He's definitely going to be Michigan's coach next year.
/snare drum rimshot.
My sister is dating Matt Millen and she says that Matt Millen will definitely be.....
Sounds like a Hokes to me
Advantage, Mr. 08mms.
/tennis umpire over PA system
FWIW, rivals radio is convinced jh is a done deal
Wasn't Rivals convinced that Zettel was a done deal too? Just sayin', it's not done till it's done.
Thus the FWIW...
If Hoke is the best we can do I want to keep RR
content in waiting. We learned three years ago that we did not have a clue as to what was going to happen.
Lets just sit back and watch and not try to be Pat Forde.
Brady is a Michigan Man for sure. He would fit right in. I prefer to keep RR but if DB wants him out then so be it.
of halftime on TNF?
(plz plz plz plz plz -115 on the over plz plz)
The idiots that keeps posting these every freaking 2 min!
from the seemingly endless supply of nukes, Jhackey sends out another salvo. Does he have enough to make it to 1 January? I am starting to worry!
I happen to know a rogue country trying to unload them in exchange for chicken fried rice in return. Win-win.
What's the win-win? You get the nukes, and they get the diarrhea?
Shouldn't it excite you?
JH to Michigan rumors?
I hadn't heard that possibility yet. Thanks for bringing this to our attention.
I swear to god I'm going to pistol-whip the next person to post a content-free CC thread...
Crunching up that cracker so that I can use it in my soup. Always looking out.
but you missed Picard
Littering and... Littering and... Littering and...
Sorry to throw you into such a tizzy. Just noting that the Mods on that site seem to be claiming it as a done deal, which I don't recall seeing before.
Like Charlie Brown trying to kick a football, I keep clicking on these threads. I know that there will be no decision announced before January 2nd, and yet I drink the sand of the CC-season-is-over mirage.
And I'm getting really fricking tired of the CC Desert.
Based on what? Sources? The only way JH is coming is if there is a deal already in place. Otherwise he will field offers from NFL teams and UM doesn't have time to wait for that. Fuck you David Brandon.
I think we know what side of that fence you're on, hmm?
I am on the side that supports our coach. You should join me, I assure you the grass is the same shade of green over here.
What's more important - to support our coach, or do what's best for the program? The people who lobby forJH aren't doing it to spite RR, they're doing it because they believe it's in the best interest of Michigan football. Whether that's the case or not, it's not exactly bad intentions.
I don't think for a minute wanting JH for a coach makes you some sort of trader. My problem with it is that after only 3 years our data on RR is still incomplete. I would like to see him afforded the same oppurtunity that I would if JH were hired and that is have enough time to see his recruiting classes become upper classmen.
Also I love Denard as the QB and leader of this team. RR has brought in some pretty good young guys to root for and I would hate to see any of them transfer. Hold the rope for one more year.
What exactly do these 'traders' trade? Iron ore? Wheat? The under-the-gun citrus crop?
I picked up some great wine at Traitor Joes.
Was a trader as well!
... traders gonna trade!
of an "importer-exporter" than a trader.
I like your Gerg avatar.
want to be my latex salesman.
Greg beat me to it
You wanna be my latex salesman...
OGODDAMNIT. Beaten twice already. Damn work.
"I don't think for a minute wanting JH for a coach makes you some sort of trader"
What does being a merchant have to do with anything?
Yes, it makes you a trader, since you are advocating trading our coach for another. It does not, however, make you a traitor.
Damn you all! Yes, I meant a traitor not trader. I was giving a hell of a speech there and I had to go and screw it up.
No worries. Not everybody is a perfect person in the world. Everyone does .... kills people, murder people, steals from you, steals from me, confuses trader and traitor, whatever.
Good luck, Jim!
based on what? His success at a perennially underachieving college program? And an 11-1 season that saw how many wins over bowl teams?
I think he will be competent, but I want to see more before I opine on whether or not he will be a success.
I don't follow professional football. But I just wanted to say something nice about Jim Harbaugh, because that's just the kind of guy I am.
Are you the Bill that called into The Michigan Insider the other day complaining about the station referencing the FreeP?
not me. sounds like a terrific guy, though.
that question would be answered by more of the JH advocates.
Both men have plenty to prove. Beating Rutgers and Oregon State is not the same as beating OSU and PSU.
The difference between the two is that JH has a signature win while Rich does not.
Jim harbaugh's "signature" win was followed by losses to 5-7 Washington, 5-7 Washington State, and 3-9 Notre Dame. I guess if a signature win makes you a good coach, giving a shitty team its 3rd and final win of the year makes him an awful coach, right? I just want to know if he was such an amazing coach for that signature win, how come he couldn't beat the worst Notre Dame team of my lifetime?
Stanford's ownership of a USC team and staff that coached circles around us in the 04 and 07 Rose Bowls despite at worst, equal talent (look at the NFL). Anybody who can make Pete Carroll lose his cool on the midfield handshake is doing something right.
You've really followed the draft during the 00's, and can really say with a straight face we've had equal or BETTER talent than USC? (or for that matter, anyone has).
USC - 69 draft picks, 15 1st rounders (1 of which came before 2003).
Michigan - 50 picks, 9 1st rounders (3 of which came in 2001 before we ever played USC)
And that's not counting superiority in 2nd and other high ranking picks.
Well, just this season he beat 3 bowl teams (ND, Arizona, and Washington) and really a fourth in USC who was 8-5. Not only that, he demolished those bowl teams 37-14, 42-17 and 41-0, respectively. Those teams weren't exactly world beaters, but they got smoked by Stanford. How many bowl teams have we beaten in the last three years? Just sayin'. In 2009, he beat both USC and Oregon. In four years, Harbaugh has beaten USC three times.
Whether or not you want RR gone, you can't deny that Harbaugh has done some impressive things in a short time in Palo Alto.
I understand where you are coming from. I like the beat down of bowl teams, but has he beat down a BCS bowl team. All numbers can be biased in certain ways.
I think either RR or JH will be a good coach for us. Heck, I even think BH can do well here. I jsut would like to get a move on for next year. A bowl victory is important but I would like to start working on a B1G championship with RR, JH, BH, or whoever.
So wait, only coached who beat down BCS teams are good coaches? Not a whole lot of those around this year. And although Stanford didn't beat any BCS teams this year (although they still have a chance in their BCS bowl) they beat Oregon in 2009 who went to the Rose Bowl and the 2007 USC team they beat won the Rose Bowl that year.
So if Stanford wins their bowl, they will have beaten three BCS bowl teams in four years, there are probably not a lof of teams in America who can say that.
So wait, only coached who beat down BCS teams are good coaches?
Did I say this? I don't think so. I was responding to your following post :
Well, just this season he beat 3 bowl teams (ND, Arizona, and Washington) and really a fourth in USC who was 8-5. Not only that, he demolished those bowl teams 37-14, 42-17 and 41-0, respectively. Those teams weren't exactly world beaters, but they got smoked by Stanford.
You were pointing out how JH beaten down 3 bowl teams this season. I was pointing out that so far he has not beaten down a BCS bowl team(UConn). I was trying to convey that making a statement about beating bowl teams can be misleading because who know what bowls they are going to and how good they really are. That's similar to saying, we beat a BCS team, so we must be top team.
I said I understand the point you were making about JH being a good coach.
Uconn is a GOOD team? They're just about terrible and its a joke they're going to a bcs bowl. They are not a god measuring stick.
I would agree that in comparison to anybody's idea of a supreme being, UConn comes up very short. Calling them "just about terrible" is a silly exaggeration, though.
Can we say the same thing about VaTech if Stanford beats them? I mean, they lost to what amounts to a a DII team so they can't be good. They are really lucky to be in a bcs game
I know the distinction, but I think people are confused because the name is stupid. They should just change Div I-FCS to Div II, Div II to Div III and so on. Before, when they were known as D1-A and D1-AA there was still confusion, as high schools in Michigan were at one point classified where Div 1-AA was higher than Div 1-A, similar to the baseball minor league system.
First, you didn't get my point. I wasn't saying Virginia Tech was lucky. I was saying if we aren't counting UConn as anything special even though they were playing better towards the end of the season, winning 5 straight, then should we just not count any wins against anyone who played badly at the beginning of the year? I wasn't trying to compare VaTech and UConn, I was saying it is ridiculous to just say "well, we can't count UConn because they sucked at the beginning of the year. What happens if they beat Oklahoma? Can we then count them?
And when I said "what amounts to a DII team, " I knew it wasn't DII, I was just posting from my phone and couldn't open another window to look up what it was actually called. I can easily make the distinction between them, but if you are asking me to name off every division in all of college football while taking a shit and posting from my phone, I can't do it.
I don't know about them being terrible. But I was arguing against profiling a team just because they are bowl bound or BCS bound. Just because you are bowl bound doesn't make you a good team, same for BCS this year with UConn.
Wolvinla was pointing out the fact that JH beat 3 bowl bound teams. I said that could be misleading, because RR beat a BCS team. Which would maybe seem more impressive when you find out who that BCS team was. Basically, I understood and agreed with his point but didn't like the analogy. Sorry, I guess I explained so poorly that no one understoond what my point was.
You don't need evidence to prove points, the Freep would be out of business!
So, now I know what it was like to be in the Peoples Temple of Jim Jones. Put the koo-aid down, dude. It will kill you. Come back to reality. People who think your Dear Leader is not the right fit for his current job are not evil and don't deserve to be cursed with vile words.
Should we take cover?
Also, please change title to CC: ...
Just a quick question...While searching through old friends from FB I saw your avatar. Are your initial DB? If not, no worries...just found it as a coincidence.
he is Dave Brandon
Nice. Damn't...Wrong guy.
No seriously Victor Valiant. Are your initials the same as the "chosen one" Dave Brandon (DB)?
That's why you don't do acid with Les Miles. I know, I know, he is very persuasive, but you gotta just say," No, Les, drugs are bad, M'kay." But, seriously, Harbaugh does tricky things pre-snap with offensive lineman, and that makes me believe he can beat OSU.
That Gremlin looks depressed.
I always thought the word "meh" was kinda silly. So yes, plz kill it.
Id say I joined heavens gate again, but I did that yesterday....hmm ill go with Al Qaeda today. Just as long as im dying from these CC posts.
I just can't imagine he would want to come here now if he can go to the NFL. His stock won't be higher than it is now. Further, I don't see why we would want a guy who clearly has a taste for the NFL.
Whatever. No energy anymore.
Yes his stock will be higher, after winning four straight national championships at Michigan.
There are a number of reasons a coach would want to coach in college when he can coach in the NFL. A number of coaches left the NFL ranks to be college coaches (again), sometimes because they got fired, and sometimes because they wanted out. Either way, it's not such a crazy thought that a guy would prefer to coach at the highest level in college as opposed to the league.
NFL coaches last about 3-4 years on average. Maybe Harbaugh wants more job security than that? If he has success at UM, we'll pay him close to what he'd get in the NFL, he would have a lot more autonomy, wouldn't have to deal with the NFL egos and could coach at the school where he played. These are not bad reasons.
I think the avg's are moving closer together and will continue to do so. The NFL will always have shorter avg's. And pay is moving closer as well, but the NFL will always pay more. If JH wants Carroll money, there is no way a college coach could come near that.
Curious, is it harder to coach in the NFL with the ego's or college, where you have to travel a lot more to recruit players as well as all the other aspects of having to deal with the NCAA.
I think it depends on the person. I wasn't really saying that the NFL is more difficult, just that there are certain things in the NFL that you don't have to deal with in college.
In the NFL you have big egos - guys who make way more than you do and think they're above the coach and the team. You have 16 games, plus the pre-season, plus the playoffs if you go. You have the draft and the salary cap making it harder to be good for many years in a row. And you have a GM who may or may not let you do a whole lot of what you want in terms of assistants or draft choices or what not.
In college you have student who need to go to class, and pass. You have to spend a lot of your off-season travelling and trying to sell 16-17 year olds on your school/team. You have to do a lot more teaching, as most of these guys aren't nearly as sound as the pros. You have alumni who feel a lot more of a connection to you your team than even the strongest NFL fans (this can be a pro and a con).
These lists are far from exhaustive, but what I was trying to say above is that there are a lot of reasons why a coach would prefer college to the pros.
No, you were not saying it. I was just curious as to what you and others thought would be a tougher job. I always hear about recruiting being a year round process. It would seem in the NFL, you do have an off season where you can plan or scout and may not travel as much.
I got the impression that college is more work for less pay, but a more stable position. But, then you look at all the firings this year in CF. I don't follow Maryland football, but firing the Fridge after 8 wins, makes you think CF is becoming more and more like the NFL.
"NFL coaches last about 3-4 years on average. Maybe Harbaugh wants more job security than that? "
I'm assuming this was some sort of joke... Please be some sort of joke.
Oh come on, I'm sure Harbaugh would coach longer at UM than he would at the 49ers or whatever team picks him up. If he went to the NFL, he's go to a team that needed a lot of help, and if he didn't take them to the playoffs in 3-4 years, he'd be out. Carolina and SF need a whole lot to get them there.
If he came to Michigan, he's the hometown golden boy. He'd be given more time here than in the league (and certainly more than RR was given) and with the parity there is in the NFL he'd have a much easier time producing a winner at UM than at either of those teams, at least on a consistent basis.
Well, I think that SF was only a game or two away from making the playoffs this year (albeit because of a terrible division), so I'm not sure it's such a hard row to hoe.
I also don't think the "golden boy" element is worth nearly as much as you suggest. If he were in RR's place, I think it would buy him an extra year. Also, you have to remember that in four or five years there is going to be another "it" coach, someone who we have to get NOW, or forever miss our chance.
Last, if he does have NFL aspirations, I can't see him committing to UM for more than 4-5 years. I just don't see someone coaching in college for 15-20 years and then going pro. Maybe I'm wrong, and this is not based on anything other than a hunch.
Right, SF wasn't good, they were just close to the playoffs because of a terrible division. They have the same record as the Lions, and one (1!) NFC team has a worse record.
Who says JH has NFL aspirations? If he comes to UM, I don't see him leaving unless he's fired, because I bet more than coaching in the NFL he would love to be the next Bo and coach UM for 20 years. He's young enough to do it, and unless he's not successful, we'll let him do it. If he gives us a decade of success, we'll pay him NFL type money, or very close. If he comes in and he's "meh" then he won't have the option to go to the NFL.
Ok, I don't know whether JH has NFL aspirations, but supposing he does (and supposing he also wants to coach at UM - otherwise it's all moot) what are his options? He could coach at UM, then go to the NFL, or he could coach in the NFL and then come back to UM.
I think the latter makes more sense. Coming here first would be problematic for a couple reasons: For one, if he doesn't do really well, the NFL will no longer be an option. If he does do well, he will be expected to stay a long time. Also, I think there will be a growing concern that he can only coach in college. As I said before, I think (personally) that a coach who has been in college for 15-20 yrs is unlikely to leave for the NFL.
Well, now we've completely changed the discussion from your original post to trying to guess what JH's aspirations are. If he wants to coach at UM, he has a shot now and might not again. If he goes to the NFL, coaches for 4 year and gets fired, UM might not have an opening and then he's stuck coaching a college team he'd presumably desire less than UM. Even if he wants to coach the NFL more than UM, it's a gamble. And if it's very possible he'd rather coach Michigan than the Carolina Panthers.
I think it's safe to say that JH has NFL aspirations considering that he interviewed with the Jets in 2009 (the job that went to Rex Ryan eventually). I believe he was also offered the Bills job after they got rid of Juron (he turned it down though), so there had to have been some communication there too. Does that mean he will go to the NFL even after her took a job here? I really have no idea, but it does give the impression that has a keen interest on it.
I guess that's what I meant. I'm sure all football coaches have NFL aspirations to some extent, but not all of them would prefer an NFL job over success at the college team of their dreams.
My gut feeling on it is, if UM is winning under Harbaugh, I don't think he'd leave that for an NFL gig that might be up in a few years. If Harbaugh isn't winning are UM, then either he won't get an NFL job or we're OK with him taking it. Either way, I'm not worried about the NFL poaching our star coach when we're winning Big Ten titles.
I'm seeing it the other way on that issue. My worry is that if Harbaugh has success (and I believe that he would) he would pull a Saban and bolt for the NFL, leaving us pretty SOL. Now I could be wrong because Michigan is more of a destination job, and he has ties here, but it still worries me that he has expressed interest in the past.
Yeah, I suppose he could pull a Saban, but Saban certainly didn't have the connection to LSU that JH has to M. Also, it seems more common for successful coaches to stay at their college team than bolt, at least for coaches in major conferences. For every Saban or Petrino there are more guys like Mack Brown, Stoops, Tressel, Ferentz, Bowden or Paterno who become beloved by their fanbases, get great paychecks and keep the ball rolling. I'm sure Urban Meyer would have been on that list had it not been for health issues.
The reality is, if you have 5 years of NCAA success, it's much easier to turn that into 10 years of success than it is to start over and last 5 years in the league.
Obviously, the fanbase here is torn over Harbaugh, with stalawart supporters for and against him. But I must respond to this post because it speaks to a segment of the fanbase that is about to place unbearable pressure on whoever is coaching here.
First off, your list of coaches is apples and oranges since most of those coaches never had NFL aspirations. We know for a fact that Harbaugh has at least entertained the idea with the interviews.
Second, the idea of a former players coming in and saving the day needs to be abandoned, especially with Harbaugh. This was the same Harbaugh who threw his alma mater under the bus by criticizing and questioning our academic standards. Those comments prompted an investigation into the "general studies" program that embarrassed the university. Make no mistake, this was not tough love from a caring alum. This was a selfish attempt to paint a recruiting competitor in a bad light, at the expense of an alma mater. Harbaugh made those comments to enhance Stanford's recruiting in CA. Since then, solid recruits have been offered, but none have accepted. You cannot argue that at least some of this has to do with Harbaugh.
Remember when those comments came out and everyone here was calling Harbaugh a traitor? Remember when people were saying "that's it, he's never coaching here." We were all understandably upset, united in our opposition with the way Harbaugh made those statements. If he really cared, he would have raised the issue behind closed doors. How did you feel at that time?
Now, the Harbaugh supporters are denying these recent truths and casting him as a savior. I think part of it has to do with a longing for the past, when Michigan played Big Ten style football with mostly local recruits. Now that Michigan has abandoned those roots and is recruiting nationally, certain segments of the fanbase (especially local media) get upset.
But lest you forget, it was the boring "Debored" style offense that EVERYONE critcized. Everyone was longing for more creativity on offense. We were concerned with the lack of conditioning on both sides of the ball. We were concerned that our defense was too slow to stop spreads. And yet now everyone longs for that past, even as we criticized it uniformly as we watched our program slowly slip into irrelevance.
There are no magic potions. There are no white knights. Harbaugh certainly isn't one, although I would support him if he keeps the offense and hires a strong and proven DC like Randy Shannon. Fact is, as the rivals, ESPN, scout etc... rankings clearly show, the best talent is in Florida, Texas, California, and SEC states, so we must recruit those states. Fact is, spreads are still predominant in the college football landscape. Almost every top program outside the Big Ten (including Oregon and Auburn), run the spread. We still need speed on offense. No one is critcizing Rodriguez for his offense, only his gut-wrenchingly poor decisions on defense. If we had a strong DC who recruited well like Randy Shannon, and kept the current offense, I don't think anyone would have a problem with that.
Maybe we went too far by bringing in Rodriguez and changing everything. But to completely go back to the past would be worse. I would support either Rodriguez or Harbaugh if they recognized the changes that need to be made defensively.
If Harbaugh leaves Michigan for the NFL, that can only mean that he will have succeeded greatly here. I can live with that.
I don't think Saban is a great point of comparison. Steve Spurrier is probably better. Spurrier is a UF alumnus and, while he harbored NFL dreams for a long time, was happy at UF for a long time (1999-2001) before finally leaving for the pros after he felt like he'd accomplished everything he could at the college level. If Harbaugh comes here, I don't think he'd be looking at the job as a temporary pit stop. He might eventually want to move on, but I think he'd want to establish a firm legacy here first.
If RR is only given three years, then why would JH be given MORE?
Doesn't JH HAVE to win more games each of years as compared to RR?
Of course, that shouldn't be hard. RR's record is hardly stellar here. So if JH doesn't have 8 or more wins his third year, he will be let go.
First of all, I don't know any decent coach who would come in and do worse over three years than RR has, not because RR is a bad coach, but because of the state of the roster now compared to 3 years ago.
But do you really think RR and JH would be treated equally? One is an outsider and the other is a former star QB under Bo. Not the same in the eyes of much of the fanbase.
Any site that allows drunken "golphers" such as Anison to blacklist acual contributingmembers isn't worth a fuck any way. So take what you read from that site with a "wait and see" if they know what they're talking about attitude.
Been proven over the years the members to the site have much more knowledge re: UM football than do the monitors.
If RR is only given three years, then why would JH be given MORE?
David Brandon did not hire RR and in fact, back during the AD search, he was rumored to not be a fan of RR's at all (Brian wrote about this a year ago). If he hires Harbaugh, that's his guy. He will have a personal stake in his success in a way that he doesn't right now.
If Jim's really interested in job security, he should apply for this Calibration Engineer job at Bosch. They're a private company, so they never lay people off.
Title: Calibration Engineer
Req Number: 15051 / 30014332
Location(s): Plymouth MI
For 100 years, Robert Bosch LLC has set the standard for quality and innovation in North America. Bosch is known worldwide for developing and manufacturing the best in automotive parts.
Major Job Duties Include:
* Calibration, Verification and Validation of ABS/TCS/ESC Brake Modulation Systems.
* Technical interface between customer and internal technical project teams for ABS/TCS/ESC Brake systems.
* Evaluation of the customer specifications and coordination of tracking system within technical project teams.
* Coordination of test vehicles and necessary test equipment to perform tests.
* Calibration of ABS/TCS/ESC Brake Modulation Systems (in vehicle testing).
* Participation in vehicle test sessions in different locations (summer and winter).
* Project handling and project documentation according to specified processes.
* Performing release procedures (verification and validation) for ABS/TCS/ESC software for different sample stages as well as final production software.
* Customer support and meetings on a daily basis.
Minimum Job Requirements Include:
* Bachelor's Degree in Engineering (ME or EE).
* A minimum of 2 years in automotive or control systems
* Knowledge in automotive techniques, vehicle dynamics and control theory.
* Experience with planning and conduction of tests as well as evaluation of test results.
* Strong verbal and written communication skills necessary.
* Vehicle driving experience (willing to learn operating a vehicle at the physical limits).
* Team oriented working style.
* Flexible, in order to participate in test sessions in different locations (in and outside of the U.S.).
* Past experience dealing with OEM customers strongly preferred with strong negotiation skills necessary.
Okay, so he doesn't have a BSME, automotive controls experience, or knowledge of vehicle dynamics, but with a bit of a fudged resume, I think he can at least get his foot in the door. Plus, the Stanford name and Michigan undergrad degree won't hurt at all.
A major reason. In college, if you don't succeed, it's probably your fault. You get the talent, you keep the talent, you coach the talent. Most guys don't think they'll fail. You go to the pros, unless you're a proven commodity, you coach the talent....and....that's it. I guess you also pray you don't have Matt Millen doing the other two. Because Millen fired 3 coaches and hired 3, but he got to stick around. In college, you're GM and Coach. So if you think you're good (and who doesn't?), you feel a lot more confident about succeeding. No cap, no draft...if you can recruit the best players every year, you get rewarded for being good, not penalized for parity's sake.
I just can't imagine he would want to come here now if he can go to the NFL.
It's pretty simple: there are 32 NFL jobs, and several come open every year. There is only one Michigan job, and it's come open four times in the last half-century. If he wants this job, he'd better strike while the iron is hot.
I don't know why John Harbaugh would want to leave the Ravens. I mean seriously guys, can we give it a rest? This guy is coaching an NFL team that keeps competing for the Super Bowl every season he's been coach. No way would he leave that for Michigan.
This is me saying nothing, just like my momma always told me.
Is this before or after your grandparents tell you to sit down? I would just skip the pleasantries and tell your tall skinny ass "DOWN IN FRONT" :)
Michigan football is getting better than my stories I watch on daytime TV.
You're a woman!!!
Espn is reporting it now.
Wait, no their not.
Their? There? They're?
seems at all out of the ordinary for that board. That's what it's been like every day for a month.
Need a great title for this new daytime soap opera that is the state of Michigan's Head Coach
Only three outcomes left:
1 - If DB has already decided on JH he will look like an ass after Denard puts 35+ on MSU and we win the game.
2 - If DB has already decided on keeping RR he will look like an ass for not endorsing the coach and help smoothing the waters.
3 - If DB has already decided on JH and we lose to MSU bad he will look like a freakin genius.
Ooooooo....i like clusterfu*k!! Sums it up in a nice neat little package!!
for your scenario of a CC Soap.
actually i think the word you seek is fubar
What if Dave Brandon hasn't made up his mind yet?
and you still get the same results. Ass or genius.
However, if he hasn't decided then you get option #4: WTF are you doing DB?
This is a complex decision, and I think to break it down so simply, is unfair.
but since I live in Houston I have not been in the UM bubble and what does that mean anyway?
Sorry but as an Ex CEO of a large corp. and now AD of one of the largest sports budgets DB has had 4-5 months worth of data so he should have a good idea of what direction he is going.
Also, there can only be a finite set of outcomes, I think he made a mistake with his hardline approach to 'Evaluate at the end of the season' mantra.
Instead of us sniping at each other. Happy New Year!
Whatever his plan is, I hope is somehow ends with him bringing about Ohio being stripped of its statehood.
Or, the more likely possibilities:
If we crush Mississippi State, Brandon brings Rodriguez back.
If we get crushed, Brandon makes subtle inquiries re Harbaugh. If he can get Harbaugh he does so; if not, he brings Rodriguez back and makes the expected statements about continued improvement, giving him time, etc., and keeps the fact that he approached Harbaugh under wraps.
If its a close game, Brandon does one of the two preceding options, but we don't know which way he's leaning.
By acting now, Brandon runs a greater risk of being second-guessed to smithereens if the MSU game is a blowout either way. By delaying, he can take the results of that game into account in making his decision.
Or Dave Brandon isn't going to base his head coaching decision on one game because Dave Brandon isn't an idiot.
You are correct cbus, DB is not going to base his decision on one game, no way in hell. He would look very stupid bringing RR back, and losing all these recruits right and left.
I never said his decision was based entirely on one game, but if it's a close call (which it certainly is, otherwise a decision would have been made already), a blowout loss or victory in the final game can tilt it one way or the other. Especially if you're trying to determine how much progress has been made for next year.
8-5, ending the season with a blowout win over a ranked team, looks a lot different than 7-6 with a crappy offensive performance and a blowout defeat to end the season.
It seems that almost everybody on MGoBlog must be very decisively (rash?) in making their decisions. Why can't the bowl game make the decision? Every heard of overtime?
I think RR is in overtime. The bowl game decides it.
base it all on one game, but he would put a lot of consideration into it I would think... but I am not DB. The game is very telling in that MSU played well in a strong conference, is ranked, and has a great defense. The team is healthy (or at least more healthy). They have had time to work on tackling (please God, pretty please!). The break appears to be what they needed desperately in order to reboot and refocus.
It appears the game would have a decent bit of weight for DB, but again, I'm not DB. I wouldn't want to be DB.
What if DB is actually telling the truth and hasn't made any decisions yet? The cynic in me says he has made a decision, but that naive part of me that attended my first Michigan game when I was a kid in 1960 wants to believe that DB is being honest and forthright when representing the University of Michigan in public.
Maybe he is used to making business decisions on fiscal or calendar year results, and wasn't savvy enough to realize the recruiting shitstorm that he is risking by tabling a decision until after the bowls. If it wasn't for the recruiting uncertainty, I would be in support of him not making a decision until after the bowls. It would reflect sound business principles.
Sadly, though, he has made the job of whoever the coach will be a lot harder with his insistence of sticking to his timetable and not adjusting or evolving it to the market, which in this case is recruits.
I hope this is all a moot point by next year.
What if Dave Brandon books an hour on ESPN on Jan 2 for a show called "The Decision" and after 59 minutes of stalling he just flips a coin at the end between RR and JH.
Then I'd probably wheel a torch stand and a pitchfork stand right next to West Quad and make my fortune.
Let me know if you're looking for investors
This is very telling!
Balas and Helmboldt are on bended knees praying for this to happen, so of course they will be convinced of it. It would be good for their business if the band got back together.
...knows anything. Including DB. This talk is all nonsense until after the New Year.
check Josh Grobans tweets, twitter or facial network? He's the only one to confirm this
Who cares...its a message board and its not from Dave Brandon.
should I start my own CC thread?
I would thoroughly enjoy the fanbase shitstorm that would ensue. The RR supporters would of course be enraged, the keep-RR if he makes defensive coach changes-crowd would be angry, and the fire-RR/Harbaugh is our savior crowd would be absolutely apoplectic.
The only groups that would be happy are the Fire-RR/a ham sandwich would be better-crowd and the microscopically tiny segment that actually wants Brady Hoke.
To be fair to MSU and OSU fans that troll this board:
Definition of APOPLECTIC
1: of, relating to, or causing stroke
2: affected with, inclined to, or showing symptoms of stroke
3: of a kind to cause or apparently cause stroke
— ap·o·plec·ti·cal·ly \-ti-k(ə-)lē\ adverb
That it would be the death of our program? The last 3 years weren't, so does ANYONE really know if Rich, Harbaugh, or Hoke would actually field the best results? Everyone thought Rich was 2 years and National Championships, and it hasn't worked out that way.
I know you say that you'd enjoy it, and maybe on some level I would as well, but you don't really mean that do you?
Yes, I am that black-hearted. It's not a personal trait I'm proud of, but what can I say?
I worship at the altar of the Law of Unintended Consequences, or more colloquially, the altar of Be Careful What You Wish For. The coaching situation is rife with the possibilities therein. Those who I am most suspicious of are those fervent true believers who are absolutely convinced that their favored candidate or approach cannot fail. When those folks get their pet theories rudely shoved back in their faces I get all schadenfreude-y.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to somehow have all of the nay-sayers have their "ghost of Christmas past" moment, so they could see just what they'd get if they got their way, but at this point I just want RR to succeed. That, in and of itself will shut them up, and that's enough for me.
The team, and started winning? Or do the results only make you happy if it's Rich?
I heard that Dave Brandon might poop soon. Still, he's not telling anyone that it's a definite thing. According to inside sources, he ate at Chipotle yesterday, which is very telling. Furthermore, the poop wants to get out of his butt, and the Chipotle is just sweetening the deal. He won't tell the toilet though, and is just leaving it hanging in the wind.
little dude gett'in some faux-tang.
NSFH. Commencing hard-drive formatting to insure no fragments of this salacious picture survive.
That's what you get for marrying a data-recovery expert.
Mom is SOOOOO proud!!
since they are just trying to generate subscriptions with criptic info that isn't based on the only person who knows the decision (obviously DB).
Honestly, those guys aren't any better than rosenberg and the freep. They all just want eyeballs and money.
Really? Jim Harbaugh? Michigan is pursuing him? Wow, thats some breaking news. Never saw that coming. Thank gawd we have insiders keeping us informed
What the hell, two weeks is enough to get the ole cardiovascular muscles back in the game, right?
Our new OC....
I've been hearing about BH. Watched the San Diego State game. Kinda liked what I saw. Let the drama unfold and Jan.1. I still think give RR can pull this off
I don't see how DB has made his job harder if JH is his man (which is probably the case). He can't get the guy until next week. And, anyway, this road saves DB a load of cash. And we're in a dead recruiting period. And he wants to let our team play their bowl with this year's coach. Makes perfect sense. I'd be calm, too, if I'd already made the choice.
Speaking of JH talk blowing up on message boards, 110 replies and counting...
+1 just for the blue lime-cat.
comparison of W-L records as a HC. You have to look at the circumstances around each schools's season. You can make convincing cases for each coach to be here based on their individual situations, Where I lose interest in someone's argument is when they say JH hasn't done any better than RR in their current coaching situations. RR has had no signature wins in his three years and has struggled mightily against the better teams in the conference. There are circumstances that have contributed greatly to those results, but they(the results) are still there.
JH has had several signature wins in his four years in Palo Alto, and they did not all happen in year four like some RR supporters attempt to point out. winning on the road at USC while a huge underdog was a big deal and having an 11-1 season is huge regardless of what school or conference. I think overall the comparison of the two coaches is a fair one and JH seems to have the edge for several reasons. Mainly it's because he has mad a solid defensive team despite having several DCs over the last three years and he turned that prorgram from a perennial loser to a tough opponent for every team, every week.
In year three, Harbaugh's defense finished 9th in the Pac 10 in total defense and 8th in scoring defense. Only in year four did his defense become solid. In year three, Harbaugh beat three bowl teams (UCLA, Oregon, and USC) the same number that Rodriguez beat in year three at Michigan (UConn, ND, Illinois), though Rodriguez still has a chance to add a fourth. In contrast to his signature win in year three over Oregon, Harbaugh lost to a 5-7 Wake Forest team and blew a shot at the Holiday Bowl and a second place Pac Ten finish by losing to archrival Cal at home. Would Rodriguez's critics really be happier if he lost to Indiana but managed to spring an upset somewhere along the way?
Stanford is not a perennial loser by any actual measure. Historically they have won 59% of their games (Harbaugh's winning percentage through four seasons is 57%). During the period of the Ten Year War, Stanford won twice as many Rose Bowls as Michigan and Ohio State. Combined. Among their competitors in the Pac 10, only Washington and USC have been to and won the Rose Bowl more times than Stanford. By any measure they are the third best program in the Pac 10 historically. Prior to the bad five year stretch with Teevens/Harris, Willingham took them to the Rose Bowl, Dennis Green went 8-4 in his third season before leaving for the NFL, and Bill Walsh had a ten win season.
So, it's not so hard to win at Stanford, go figure.
I'd gladly take a loss to IU this year or last year if it meant we would have beaten either MSU or OSU this year or last year.
I wouldn't want to lose to teams we are supposed to beat. We are better than Indiana and I'd hope Stanford was better than Wake Forest. Getting lucky against a team that's much better means nothing. To me it says more about the lack of execution on the team that was clearly a better football team. If MSU or OSU loses to a team that is starting a large portion of freshman then I'd be outraged if I was on their side of the fence.
RR has done a better job with what he was left than Harbaugh. Stop looking at the schools they coach and look at the rosters they were left. Stanford was left with a lot of young talent and depth. They didn't have a chance to develop under Walt Harris because he was fired before many of them were even sophomores. Stanford had a much deeper team by year 3 of Harbaugh's tenure. Many of the players left behind by Harris were starters for Harbaugh's team in year 3 including Toby Gerhart. RR did not have the luxuries that Harbaugh was given.
The Pac-10 as it is today has only had 10 teams since 1978. Since then the only Pac-10 schools to win the Rose Bowl are USC, UCLA, Washington and Arizona St. Stanford only has one appearance in the Rose Bowl since they expanded to 10 teams. Oregon has more appearances so since they expanded to 10 teams Stanford is in a tie for 5th with most Rose Bowl victories - 0, and is 6th in Rose Bowl appearances.
The Pac-8 wasn't formed until 1964. Previous to 1964 a lot of these schools were in the Pacific Coast Conference from 1915 to 1958 - members are various times included Cal, Stanford, Oregon, what is now Oregon St, Washington, Washington St, USC, UCLA, Idaho and Montana.
From 1959 to 1964 Stanford played in the AAWU which was comprised of Stanford, Cal, USC, UCLA and Washington. Washinton St joined in 1962.
interested in. Nobody ever tests the waters to find out where they stand , but may not have the aspirations at that time. /s
No one but JH can say if he really wants to be an NFL HC some day. I believe he has the Michigan HC job next on his list of goals to accomplish. That is not to say that he may want to be an NFL guy some day, but I doubt that time is now. If RR stays and succeeds here, JH will probably got to the NFL sooner, but if UM calls, I thnik he'd take the call and if he's ready to leave Stanford, he takes the UM job.
Dave Brandon was quoted as saying, "I don't listen to the radio; don't read blogs." That caused Brian Cook to express a minor, "Ouch."
In fact, I can confirm at least one small bit of evidence that Dave Brandon does occasionally read MGoBlog, but threads like this make me think, conversely to Brian, "Ouch," if this is the kind of stuff he sees.
Mark Snyder, writing for Freep.com, has just posted an article headlined, "Rivals.com weighs in on Rich Rodriguez' future." In which Snyder does nothing, other than to pull several quotes from the Rivals transcript of an online Q-and-A with Tom Dienhart. That Freep.com story, by the way, is Number 1 or 2 on the Freep.com realtime/running "Most Popular" stories list. Nothin' sells the Freep like "Michigan." Michigan is money, baby.
And yes, this is all a self-fulfilling prophecy. Tom Dienhart reads some stuff about Rich Rodriguez. (Has Tom Dienhart ever been in Ann Arbor?) Tom Dienhart talks about what he's "hearing." A few of the MGoBloggers get excited. The Free Press reports on the Rivals excitement. Rinse, and repeat.
Without one, single, named, credible source with any real authority saying a-n-y-t-h-i-n-g.
What you have just accurately described is nothing more than the journalistic equivalent of a circle-jerk. Snyder, Dienhart, et al have a very firm grasp of one another, giving it a twist, as it were.
Is TD considered an unreliable reporter? I don't know. He does have sources, doesn't he? Reporters can't always name their sources. The key is whether those reporters have credibility. Does he? Or no?
I suppose Mark Snyder can, too.
But Mark Snyder has editors, and those guys sort of pride themsleves (unjustifiably) on being real journalists. With rules. And the Free Press Ethics Policy on anonymous sourcing says this:
We name our sources. The use of unidentified sources in published material requires the approval of a managing editor or the highest-ranking editor available.
In this case, Mark Snyder quotes Tom Dienhart. Who, for his own part, quotes... no one.
We wil see what happens and live with it when, and if, it happens.
if there is a coaching change? Short of some deal already cut, I doubt a new coach would be in place that quickly.
Do the assistant coaches take care of it or does the visit get cancelled/rescheduled?
Personally I hope this is just theoretical and Rrod is retained.
Well that seems rather dumb. Get millions of dollars or sit out a whole year lose draft stock, then play 12 games in the winged helmet. Come on man ( insert ditka/keyshawn voice here ) get real.
Edit: well this post is now stupid considering that old school wolverine's is no longer posted. Sry g-reaper
I see your point. I definitely see your point as it pertains to columnists -- the ones who never leave their livingrooms. But beat guys like TD are out there in the shit. They're only as good as their reporting. So, over time, TD's got a lot to lose if he's wrong. And, yes, everything has become a cluster-fuck at this point. At the same time, though, basically every reporter who has ventured a prediction about the cc has predicted RR's demise (and confidently). Few have predicted that DB will keep RR. What are the odds that they're all wrong? It's certainly possible. But seems unlikely. Directly or indirectly, they seem to know something.
These are the same guys that were calling Les Miles to Michigan. Dave Brandon's word is law, and for better or worse, he has not spoken yet. Until I hear an utterance from the ivory tower. There is nothing to discuss, the end period.
Like all those people here and elsewhere who were 100% confident (or 95%, depending on the commenter) that Anthony Zettel was coming to Michigan?
I don't recall reading here or anywhere else a prediction that he was going to Penn State.
Wow, 192 replies on this thread.
All by people not named Dave Brandon.
And nothing new, just the same rehashed speculation that was rampant a few weeks ago... now I remember why I haven't been visiting the board very much lately.
See you guys after the bowl game.
How do you know that Dave Brandon isn't posting here?
they were constantly overshowed by Rogers and Hamerstein.
I am shocked Harbaugh would leave Maryland so soon.