Just watched today's College Football Live show on ESPN where they discussed Brandon and our scheduling App State 2: The Revenge. Jesse Palmer took the position that it was a no win situation, that a 77-0 victory does nothing to erase The Horror, that there was no reason to re-schedule them, and that we should "put our bags down and move on." Not sure what that last thing meant exactly, but I get the gist. He finished with (paraphrase) "Michigan is above this and above App. St, sorry." Pretty much the exact Brian position.
Jesse Palmer says we are above scheduling App St.
Jesse Palmer's opinion matters to me why?
Everyone is going to have their own opinion on this and few people are going to be open to changing their opinion. To say it another way, I'm sick of this topic already since we are never going to reach a consensus.
the national MSM has M on television as a topic, whether you are tired of the topic or not. Or is your weariness the standard for whether it should be mentioned on mgoblog?
Other than our coaches or players, nobody in the media's opinion REALLY matters to any of us. Except if it is something good about us lol..just saying
You like Jesse Palmer?!? I figured there must be people out there who do - because why else would ESPN have him on - but I didn't realize that I actually interact with any of them.
App St scheduling on a Michigan blog is like Brandon Inge on a Detroit Tigers blog. Everyone just ends up upset and with a stomach ache.
BTW, I agree that the topic in general is newsworthy. I just don't see how hashing and re-hashing everyon's opinion is going to do anything other than cause more stomach aches.
If your standard for what is worthy of discussion is that it should ultimately to lead to consensus, then I think you have a pretty boring world in mind.
How does "I just don't see how hashing and re-hashing everyon's opinion is going to do anything other than cause more stomach aches." lead to "your standard for what is worthy of discussion is that it should ultimately to lead to consensus,"?
Couldnt be more right. This horse hath been beat to death so many times its crazy. Its like the dejected guy who gets drunk and always brings up his ex girlfriend he cant get over. No win all around and the best play is to just leave it in the past but some people just cant leave the past behind. Will we really feel better if we win 50-0? No, and our current AD just had to get one more shot with ol Sarah.
Edit: Huge picture of Jesse Palmer redacted because M-Wolverine beat me to it 20 minutes prior.
We should no be playing App State again no matter what happens we still lost to them the first time. Why revisit?
Because he was The Bachelor.
Ordinarily, I'd say it's a good thing that Dave Brandon doesn't care what people on ESPN say. But on this one, I wish DB would listen.
Well we are talking about the same guy who oversaw the creation of the HAIL student loyalty program so... yeah
I get it. It's like if that blonde-haired prick from Karate Kid walked into school the week after losing the Karate championship and just kicked Daniel-son right in the face.
He still lost the fight that counted..... and everyone knows it.
is best. Except for the prick part.
But we're certainly not above losing to them.....
Will they be a conference USA team by then? Will there even be one of those then?
Who the fuck is Jesse Palmer? even if he is right...
Maybe we shouldn't have sceduled them in the first place. lol.
He's a less attractive/intelligent Kirk Herbstreit.
Are you ready for an unanswerable question: Who had the most memorable college football career.... Jesse Palmer or Kirk Herbstreit?
For me, definitely Kirk Herbstreit.
I remember us kicking the crap out of him. Definitely memorable.
Forget about the personal attacks about why JP sucks... he's wrong
1) We need a cupcake game, and at least App St. will get the media talking. Is it more interesting to play Eastern?
2) Not playing ASU doesn't erase the Horror either
3) I believe there is a bit of healing (fanbase wise) to beating ASU, and we all know Michigan will not take them lightly (which we may have if it were another FCS team).
I agree with you for all of the reasons you stated. Michigan and Appalachian will be linked forever. It's not going away so why not embrace it?
Michigan will beat them in 2014. It won't erase 2007. It's not supposed to. It's another "filler" game on the schedule that will generate more excitement than anybody else they could have scheduled in that role. It's a sign of respect......and it's throwing a HUGE financial bone to a team that might not otherwise get one.
Back to Jesse Palmer.....
He also said that Michigan would be better off focusing on Michigan State who they've lost to four years in a row. Jesse is a moron if he thinks that MSU isn't a primary focus in Brady Hoke's mind. I'm sure that Hoke was embarrassed by the loss to MSU last year. They've got his attention and Hoke will get is payback.
The Michigan-Appalachian State game was your classic David-Goliath story; and unfortunately for us, Michigan was Goliath. But there are some important differences. No one was permanently vanquished. There have been and will be seasons to come.
That game was a big deal for a football program and a university. Rather than take the attitude that the game diminished the University of Michigan's football program (sorry detractors, it didn't), it elevated Appalachian State's. Lloyd Carr, being on the losing end and knowing that an enormous amount of criticism was coming his way, was gracious in defeat and, IIRC, addressed the Appalachian State football team in their locker room after the game.
Huge upsets happen. That is what makes the game interesting, perhaps even great. Michigan, being the winningest team in football history, practically by definition is only going to be on the short end of the stick when they are involved in these upsets. That is life at the top of the heap.
But rather than slink away in defeat and humiliation, trying stupidly and in vein to blot the game from the annals of college football, perhaps, Brandon is not seeking "revenge" (which as everyone acknowledges would be ridiculous) but rather graciously marking a historic event that occurred at Michigan Stadium.
Like it or not, Appalachian State football has a strong link to the University of Michigan. Another upstart about a century ago, Notre Dame, did likewise. Instead, Michigan's administrators and greatest head coach, chose not to schedule upstart Notre Dame for something like 50+ years. I'm not saying that Appalachian State is the next Notre Dame, but avoidance is not necessarily an ideal solution.
Perhaps the re-scheduling of the Appalachian State is a celebration of the game, and its uncertain outcome. On any given day...
Not in vein.
scheduling the Citadel or all the other cupcakes they scheduled while he was there..Really?
I dont think Michigan needs a SEC guy telling them what they need or dont need..thank u very much
We are above listening to what Jesse Palmer has to say.
Even more than Michigan, I'm surprised that App State wants to do this.
That win defined their program and put them on the map. I work with a guy that went to App State. He told me that he used to be embarrased to admit that he went to a school called Appalachain State. But not anymore after the Michigan win.
It was the greatest win in their history. Why risk diluting it with a subsequent blow out loss?
Because they can't live off one game forever. They're looking to move into the FBS and want to become a legit program, not just a little trivia answer. If you're a current App St player, you probably get tired of hearing about the 2007 Michigan game all the time, which would have happened before anyone on the current roster arrived.
Jesse Palmer says a lot of things. That doesn't mean his opinion matters.
Eh, it's Jesse Palmer. His opinion on this topic definitely doesn't deserve it's own thread.
I also don't agree with the idea that because we lost to App. State once we should never schedule them again. Are we scared of App State? Do we fear them so much that we never want to play them again? No.
If we're going to schedule a cupcake, why not App State? Yes I know, that "The Horror" will be brought up every time we play them, but maybe if it's brought up every time we play them, it'll make the players on that work that much harder not to let it happen again.
"The Horror" will never have not happened, and it will always be there as a loss in our record books. Nothing will ever erase that horrible feeling. But if we scheduled App. State 100 times, and beat them 100 times, I wouldn't mind.
I have to agree with Jesse & Brian on this one. Beating the bejeebus out of them 10 years in a row would do nothing to diminish the importance of their one win against us. It's a little like the 69 victory over OSU, no matter what happens in the continueing series between the bitter rivals that victory will always stand alone as something special. I guess the word is shadenfreude??
They got theirs from us, we suffered for it and nothing is ever going to diminish it for either side. In which case its just a national div 1. power taking on a patsie. Happens every year countless times. Its nothing special.
I agree with the second paragraph. Which is why I disagree with the first sentence.
I totally agree with Palmer on....stops....takes long shower....where was I? Oh, yeah, I actually agree with Palmer on this one.
If Brandon did this to "get revenge" on Appy State for humiliating UM a few years ago, this just seems petty. If he did it for the reason I think he did it (i.e. there is NO such thing as bad publicity), then he is wrong. I think it took three years before people stopped mentioning the Appy State loss and I cringed every time I was reminded of it. Now that the furor over that loss has finally died down, Brandon wants to resurrect the memories simply because it will get UM a few extra minutes of face time on ESPN. Dumb....Dumb....Dumb.
How many other FBS vs. FCS matchups will get bumped up to network TV? There will be more pregame hype for that game than many FBS conference games, and instead certainly more than any other teams playing FCS oppenents whose games will be relegated to the Big Ten Network (or regional equivelant).
That being said, I'm not sure if ABC/CBS/NBC picks up the game how we financially benefit from it since we are already tied into our TV contract via the Big Ten Network. I suppose the BTN gets a nice pay out to broadcast the game on the network and we might potentially get a bump along with the rest of the Big Ten schools.
If nothing else, it certainly gets us more national exposure than any MAC school, and probably as much exposure as playing a middling BCS team without as much risk of loss.
Because I get lost in his dreamy eyes.
Here. As a bonus, it takes a well-deserved swipe at the FREEP.
People who are criticising Michigan for scheduling Appy St for the "revenge" factor would also be the ones criticising Michigan for being afraid of Appy St if we were to never play them again. You can never win when it comes to people who criticise for a living.
if you criticise 1 thing it must mean we are hopelessly fated to criticise all things? Thanks for clearing that up for me.
It would be silly to seek revenge on App St. & I don't think thats why they were scheduled again.
They were scheduled again as a futile attempt at creating "Wow Factor®".
Just another show by the Ringling Bros. and Brandon & Bailey Circus.
Of all the cupcake teams in the country that could use the $ and provide a worthwhile tune up game for Michigan, DB decided to schedule one that had "Buzz". I prefer the Alabama game buzz instead thanks.
What I am saying is that people who criticise Michigan football will always find an angle, my statement was not a specific to Palmer's comments. Playing Appy St again can be looked at two ways, one way is to think that we are bitter about the loss and want to exact revenge, the other way is to assume that we have accepted the loss and will not avoid playing them again due to sour grapes and the embarrassing memories of the first game. Obviously the former makes better head lines.
Personally, I don't think we should be scheduling any FCS teams, but that is another matter all together.
...Ah, it's fun to joke and laugh. I like to laugh.
Don't believe anything from a person who endorses eating at Applebee's.
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How do you feel about Applebees now?
Crap, if Jesse Palmer feels that way, then perhaps I need to reevaluate how I feel about it...
He does realize that it takes two schools to make an agreement, right? App St. seems perfectly fine playing the game again.
We lost to app st. once, (two head coaches ago,) therefore we should never play them again, because we're better than that? Thank you, Jessie, for such valuable insight.
that parphrase wasn't exactly insightful, nor does it give credit to what actually is (regrdless of whether we agree or not) a very good argument, made by many very smart people, that agree with him. That doesn't mean they are right, just that it's not exactly an open and shut case
Name another college football game being played in 2014 that's being talked about right now. In fact, when was the last time people were talking about a game that was 2+ years out ever? That was Brandon's whole reason for scheduling it. It's a game of interest. People watch games of interest.
Palmer also compared scheduling App State to us rescheduling Colorado in 1996 and 1997 after losing by the hail mary in 1994. He said there was no point because the damage has already been done.
Umm, I know it's hard to believe now but Colorado was a top 5 program when this series was scheduled. Plus wasn't that a 2 for 1 series anyway? We still had to finish those games.
The hail mary may have been painful, horrible, awful...but I certainly enjoyed the FAIL mary game in Boulder in 96 and kicking their asses at the big house in 97.
next to him was the one to say that, and I agree with you it was the wrong analogy.
2 for 1 scheduled before '94 (of course).
In 1997, The Sporting News had Colorado as their preseason number 1. Beating the crap out of them got us (#18 preseason, IIRC) some invaluable early-season national hype. To go one step further, that game is always the counter argument to the "we need more baby seals to club" scheduling debate. That game really set the tone for the season. Hopefully we get the same sorta catalyst next Saturday night.
Hey Jesse, should Florida schedule App St.? Shut your face.
Well, Palmer was on "The Bachelor," so his opinion on all things manly is irrelevant. However, he's somewhat right in that this is a lose-lose for us. We win and it doesn't erase what happened in '07 and people will just go, "yep, that's pretty much what should've happened." We lose, and it will create The Horror: Part 2. I personally am against this high risk, low reward scheduling. No good will possibly come of it.
Was he really on The Bachelor? I thought people were just saying that because of the pic that looks Bachelor-ish.
... That's too funny.
That's EPIC! I thought he was a clown before. I need a scalding hot shower now... But it was worth it.
He can't even pick the right girl. The other one was hotter AND let him do "inappropriate" things.
I am somewhat in agreement with Palmer. Beating the crap out of App. State does nothing to erase the fact that The Horror happened. I'm sure, from a personal standpoint, it'd feel good to beat them, and beat them bad, but to the rest of the nation, if you win, no one cares. You beat a team that has no business of winning. And if you lose, not to mention for a second time, you're a national laughingstock. You become the new Notre Dame, but probably worse. You could win 10 more national titles, but will still be remembered for losing to the same FCS team twice.
Michigan has little to gain by playing this game, but I respect Brandon for scheduling it. It takes guts to schedule a team that absolutely humiliated you and scarred your program. It won't matter if Michigan is the preseason #1 that year. There will be a ton of pressure on the team to win. Would not be surprised to see Gameday show up.
Palmer was handed the keys to a Rolls Royce in Florida, and drove it like a Hyndai Accent. He could never quite grab and keep the starting job for any period of time, and even lost his job to a freshman at one point.
He continued his career path of "close, but no cigar" on The Bachelor.
I don't think "close, but no cigar" qualifies him to tell other schools how to run their programs.
OK, not actually hilarious, but I would enjoy seeing DB squirm.
Ehh . . . winning the game would be a lot more fun.
(Besides, the guy who'd inevitably be raked over the coals in that scenario wouldn't be Brandson; it'd be Hoke.)
Jesse Palmer may be a total knob but he has a point. If we had won that game, we probably wouldn't be playing them again. By playing them, we seem insecure, like we have a chip on our shoulder. I know there's money involved and all that stuff, but still.
I just don't want to watch the replays of that game for an entire week. Ugh
I am sick of our university giving their stupid school MORE free publicity.
I don't know who Jesse Palmer is and care even less, but he's right on the money here. If he is a clueless nozzle then... sunshine, meet dog's ass.
As someone cleverer than I pointed out, 2007 App. State game was Michigan's shameful sex tape where we managed to get both blueballs and erectile dysfunction and then inadvertently hit the 'send' button trying to fumble the condom on.
The 2014 App. State game is us taking the same girl out on a legit date and renting a tux+limo and springing for bottle service to impress her and her friends. But no matter how awesome the date goes, what do you think they're going to be talking about before and after the date?
I have to disagree with his statment that we're "above them". They beat us. That simply puts them on our level. They will never ever be what Michigan is, but they had their shot and they won the game. Therefore, they are, by default, worthy competition. It beats the heck out of another Eastern Michigan beatdown, and that is how you GET history between schools.
Also, no one remembers VA Tech getting pasted by James Madison, and who would have anything to say about it if they made a home-and-home outside of hokie land? We aren't the only ones to lose a game like that. It ONLY mnatters because it was Michigan. If it wasn't Michigan, no one would remember 2 years later.
As an aside, Im always tickled by OSU fans bringing that up, as they forget their annual single digit scrapes with the like of OHIO (the bobcats) and Toledo and Cincy. One of these days.....it'll be them. Navy beat Notre Dame, Ohio will beat OSU, it's just gonna happen.
I think Jesse's underlying assumption is that had we not lost the first contest, we probably would not have rescheduled App St., or at least it would have taken longer for them to find theirselves back on our schedule. He's probably right.
I don't disagree with Palmer if App St. was scheduled as some form of "revenge" - this is Michigan, fergodsakes. You don't need to bash in the head of a DII school to get your mojo back. That said, they were scheduled because UM wanted a cupcake, and that is what they'll be. If UM had scheduled, what, Delaware St. instead, would that be below them as well? So for that reason, Palmer is making a mountain out of a BCS mole hill.
Jesse Palmer is the most obnoxious commentator on ESPN . He uses a set series of hand motions and facial expressions over and over while blathering on about the same old who cares material. Watch him closely and you'll see it. It distracts from the subject matter and focuses the attention on HIM.
While I agree that you guys are above this, I will also add that you should not qualify for a BCS game or the future playoff if you play 1 FCS team, let alone 2 like FSU.