It's like every time we are involved in a national spotlight game we do this, Just stick to the basic, those are best !
alternate headline: man does job
It's like every time we are involved in a national spotlight game we do this, Just stick to the basic, those are best !
He's done more for Michigan athletics than any other person in the past ten years and you just want to drag him through the mud because it's the cool thing to do.
YOU stop whining about whining about Brandon.
YOU stop whining about him whining about people whining about Dave Brandon!
YOU stop YOU about you whining Brandon about you about whining winning whining Dominoes about Jenga. Stop.
Doesn't whining about someone whining cancel out to zero, a bit like charged particles or three lefts?
Preach it man!
I'm so sick of all the shit Brandon gets here. As far as I'm concerned he hasn't done anything wrong in his tenure as AD. He has succeeded in every conveivable way except in pleasing the mgoboard. Its really ridiculous how much shit he gets.
How has it been defaced? The team still wears the normal uniform more than any jersey. The special uniforms are only for big games.
The hate is foolish... progress happens.
Shouldn't we be wearing our best, most classic jersey during big games?
Absolutely, 100% THIS.
at one time we wore different jerseys all together, I wonder if that AD took as much heat for changing the uniforms back then. Get a life
I have yet to see an alternate uniform that is in the same league as our home unis. Most have been kitchy knock-offs at best.
Could not agree more. For all the talk of "The Brand", DB sure is doing his best to kill it. Creating the future indeed.
Special uniforms could increase the interest level and special-ness of games like Akron.
Our "brand" would be best maintained if during the big games (the casual fan drop-in games) the team was wearing the same uniform more than once in a row, so the casual person wouldn't have to guess if they were watching Michigan or not.
Have a game with 100k people watching that don't recognize either team
Have a game with 100k people watching that don't recognize either team
It is the traditional Michigan uniform that is classic and special. These different uniforms are merely marketing devices that should be eliminated entirely or relegated to games like Akron that are neither special nor classic but might benefit from a marketing gimmick.
I agree with this. If you absolutely have to wear lame uniforms, wear them against Akron. When's the last time an OSU-UM picture was taken that is identifiable as OSU-UM?
I'ts done for 1 BIG reason and I believe 1 other reason.
#1 It's about money. Alternate Jerseys sell when worn for a big games that Michigan wins. The last UTLs Uniforms were horrible. But those Jerseys broght in major cash flow for the AD department. We as a fan base wanted something from that game to remember and make us feel a part of it. Don't want alternate Jerseys? Stop buying the damn things.
#2 Recruits and the current players like them. As much as they give up terms of time to put a product on the field that we all worship on Saturdays it's really NOT that big of a deal. If one 5 star recruit commits to play for Michigan and he becomes that next Woodson it's worth it. I'm not foolish enough to believe Jersey's alone would bring a recruit to Michigan, but every little detail adds up to a whole package.
The money pays for coaches like Hoke and Mattison. Up grades for the Basketball team and coach B. If we as an alum/fanbase want a football team that can compete at the level of the Alabamas in football, Dukes/Kentuckys in basketball this is what we have to live with.
We shouldn't let the little things distract us from the bigger picture. Draw a line with the helmets and i'm sure DB understands that. I thought the matted helmets rocked btw.
You are incorrect about things.
I am to lazy to Google this right now but a major publication has dispelled the notion that licensing (e.g. jersey sales) really bring that much money into a U.
Alternate uniforms are only good for one purpose; marketing. Except for that little fact that Michigan has one of the most iconic uniforms in sports. Show a picture of pinstripes on a baseball unifrom; New York Yankees, a Star on a helmet; Dallas Cowboys, Winged helmet; Michigan Wolverines.
Wouldn't you hope that the iconic, excellent regular home jerseys would be the ones you see in big games? If doofy uniformz need to be in play, wear them for Illinois or Purdue. Classics are classics for a reason.
**EDIT: Right on, five other people who beat me to the punch.
We play in surprise uniforms for almost all our big games now.
we should be wearing the classic uniforms. Fail.
God forbid we roll out some different uni's once in a blue moon and get the players and recruits all fired up. Lets just keep doing shit the same forever. Refuse to ever do anything different. Yay.
This blue kool-aid sure is delicious! Care to share some more?
If your a season ticket holder like I am, that alone gives you enough to have a bad taste for him.
He's a great athletic director, but that doesn't mean it's not fair to call him out for making the few bad decisions that he has made, like this rumored one.
These alternate uniforms have a history of being terrible, and the idea that we can't play a big game in our regular awesome home uniforms needs to be stopped.
Fuck Dave Brandon*.
*except hiring Hoke. Everything else is the fucking worst.
What about the Crisler renovations, transforming the place from a dungeon into a first-class arena? Giving our coaching staffs much greater budgets to hire assistants (compared to Martin and his skinflit budgets)? You hate those things?
I don't care for the alternate jerseys, but when that's the main complain we have, we have things going pretty well.
If so, you've not been able to see the big house because it is obfuscated by a giant glaring digital sign advertising ticket sales. It's horrible.
You're grasping at straws. I live in A2 and drive by there on a daily basis. The stadium is still perfectly visible.
The athletic campus - and especially Crisler - looks beautiful now. I remember 20 years ago when the stadium had a cheap chain-link fence around it, and then they put up the halo. Anyone who thinks it's worse now than it was then is completely out to lunch.
I see that you did not respond to my point about Brandon dramatically increasing the pool of money available for assistants. I forgot to add that he's also increasing our recruiting budgets significantly. If you liked Bill Martin refusing to buy Tommy Amaker a freaking VCR and preventing RichRod from hiring the DC he wanted, I guess that's your prerogative, but I like having an AD who will commit to giving his coaches the resources they need.
I agree. Bill Martin was worse. But comparing Brandon to the guy who hired Rich Rodriguez--that's a pretty low bar, man.
He like many Michigan fans myself included are giving Brandon a pass. So many aspects are the program are improving. Yes, Dave Brandon is clearly attempting to maximize revenue but that doesn't make him a bad fit for GM. As long as he willing to alter his policies when the Michigan faithful object then I don't have a problem with him.
The seat cover issue is a perfect example, it was clearly a dumb policy objected by Michigan fans. The policy changed almost immediately.
"GM" was a perfect description. "Maximize revenue" was also apt. UM is becoming increasingly professional and decreasingly "Michigan." Kids can't go to the games anymore because it's too expensive. That sucks.
I think you have been mis-informed, or you are just making shit up. I saw kids at the game just last week.
If you like Crisler, you should be thanking Martin. The planning for that was done under his watch, not Brandon's.
I like the sign....I could see it when I was tailgating on the golf course last week. I think it is quite cool.
then why the fuck did he hire Al Borges
... Sorry, should have waited until after he has a horrible game calling plays this year... then again, that would be just piling on.
at least coaches didn't bolt because they were being underpaid so much. Canham was a REAL skinflint - at least when it came to paying coaches. Bo himself almost left because of it, but stayed because of his extreme loyalty to the program and school. People bitch at Brandon for being so pre-occupied with squeezing more revenue out of everything, then on the other hand want all our teams to be winning championships. In today's college sports world, it takes a lot of money to compete for elite athletes and top-flight coaches. Live with it folks.
And turning Crisler into a great basketball arena that brings in top talent, and getting Greg Mattison,....
The Rodriguez aftermath and "Practicegate"were probably the biggest crises in the history of Michigan football. With lesser leadership, Michigan would almost certainly have taken a step back. That window where recruits still remember Michigan as a great program was closing quick. Things could have gone very badly for us. But Brandon didn't turn belly up like Martin. He OWNED his challenges. And because of that Michigan football is as strong as it has been since the scholarship limit era began. And here you sit crying about butt pads and macaroni. Where is your appreciation?
no kidding. we finished 2nd in the director standings above many pac 12 schools which have like 8 more sports than us.
Hey that's your opinion, I'll choose Hoke or maybe even Lloyd. Literally not one thing that is on the football field that DB is responsible for has done is good. Unless I'm forgetting ike, one thing.
He understands nothing about the Micigan brand, not even about branding in general. He is good at getting money--if that is your definition then you are right, otherwise you are wrong IMO.
I just want one season where Michigan wears two jerseys all year. Is that too hard to ask?
The time has come. Maize helmet with blue wing. Checkmate Brandon
I'm so fucking sick of this
Email me. I'll spill
So Bryan, does it seem like a legit source?
Seems to be
No, not the govt one. My gmail. No access to govt
Or what's your email
The one your MGo account is registered under.
The government's involved?! Damn you Brandon!! Conspiracies!!
Replied to wrong one -_-
Chrome helmets, maybe. Wtf ....
You shut your mouth!
Thanks for the tip.
Seems legit, folks.
The fuck? You serious Clark?
Fuck this shit. Seeing our regular home uniforms in a big game would feel like a throwback at this point. Michigan: where the official throwback uniforms were never used before and the home uniform feels like a throwback.
... As long as we WIN.
The worst. Yet so predictable.
Well, better scalp my pair of tickets because we can't watch Michigan football if they are in a different home uni.
I just don't get the lament, DB has done great things for Michigan and I don't think an alternate uniform or two a year is terrible. Now, if it becomes NASCAR uniforms out there, then we panic.
Because this is Michigan, fergawdsake. That's the brand.
You just said "I don't think an alternate uniform or two a year is terrible," which is exactly why so many are up in arms. Sure, it's not terrible, but it's not great. Our regular uniforms ARE great, so what's the point? Alternate uniforms for the team who already has what is widely considered one the best jerseys in all of sports is just a pointless money grab. We sure as hell don't need gimmicks to market ourselves, and we're perfectly fine at attracting recruits without this nonsense. I'm not going to scalp tickets over this, but I'm certainly annoyed by it.
This is why Chris Perry never reads mgoblog.
Attention MGoPolice: this is not political, it is a meme.
Damnit. This is the first time I've truly missed the upvote.
We gave up our home uniforms (the best unis in CFB) in last year's bowl game for an abomination. Now, we give them up again AT HOME?!!!
This is BS, if true.
Why is everyone freaking out about random fan stating a rumor he has heard....I heard Texas was joining the b1G
But didn't you hear that Devin Gardner is wearing 98 in the thread below?
I'll withhold judgment until I see them but the home uniforms don't need to be messed with.
MDen just put these on its website a few days ago, so I wonder if this is the jersey change. The patch is a replica of Harmon's license plate. I think it's an interesting idea, but the jersey will look super cluttered with all the other patches on it (Legends patch, B1G patch, manufacturer's patch, etc.).
why not just put flames and spoiler on it too?
the wings on the helmet should be flames.
Just popped into the MDen in Crisler, they have both the home and away with these 9T8 deals right next to the Gardner 12's. Which probably means not a whole heck of a lot.
Is that comic sans? Holy shit, I didn't think it could get worse.
I’m not crazy about alternate jerseys, but I think this is something we are just going to have to come to terms with. Love it or hate it, this is the current landscape of college football.
Leaders and Best. We determine what the landscape is, not the other way around.
If there terrible, then I hate it. If there sweet then awesome!
They're is going to be an increase in uniform sales to the young, hip crowd.
Up to coaches and players to decide on uniforms and who wear what numbers and the rest! Just win baby!
Am I mistaken or did DB not say quite clearly there would be no alternate jerseys this year? If this is true so help me I will pen quite the angry blog post.
He said there were "no plans" at that time. He carefully left himself an out.
Everyone acts as if Michigan has worn the same uniforms for the entire history of the program. The uniforms are always evolving and one off Changes for a game should not cause such an uproar. Damn people, some of you live to whine.
We basically have worn the same home uniforms for, oh, about eight decades now. So, yeah, change is bad here.
Basically. There have been changes. Get over yourself, you are one of the constant whiners. 90% of your posts are complaining about something. Cheer up buddy, life isn't that bad. DAMMIT IT'S GAMEDAY!!!!!
But your argument here is weak sauce. Yes, there have been "changes". That's not even in the same ballpark of the UNIFORMZ we have been subjected to under Brandon's regime. Just ugh.
Tiny tweaks over several decades isn't the major changes we are complaining about here. And this isn't one change; it's 6 major overhauls in 26 games:
--UTL 2011 uniforms
--Sugar Bowl 2012
--Outback Bowl 2013 (which were illegal according to NCAA regulations)
Add in the changes to the helmets (Matte finish and added numbers) and that's an awful lot of change happening in a short period of time. My only hope is they truly do look like NASCAR uniforms so people such as yourself join our ranks.
Brady Hoke said there won't be any alternates this year.
BRADY HOKE WOULDN'T LIE TO US WOULD HE?
But seriously people, calm the hell down and let's just win.
I bet they go with Christmas tree ornament shine.
You would think we were wearing red jerseys and helmets without wings by the way people react to any news about the unis
If this is true, they should bring back the 2011 UTL ones. Those were definitely the best of the alternates.
Although the bar is low
FEAR THE BUMBLEBEE
The weekly list of someone's least favorite UM alternate uniforms!
Finally, the jersey ranking list has returned to....mgoblog
Disagree. I still cringe when I see those. I thought they were hideous.
I suppose I'm ok with alternate uniforms as long as they don't look like total sh*t which Dave Brandon has not proven to be adept at yet. After the bumblee debacle, I'll never trust again
If we live in a day and age in which we have to exploit every possible avenue to make more money, and, if our normal home jerseys are the best in college football, why don't we waltz out in our bee costumes against IU and Minnesota, and actually wear our classic uniforms for the classic games.
(Yes, I know that if we beat a big team while wearing uniformz, people will buy more of them.)
Ah well. Gotta push the brand in prime time.
Mark Harmon is in Ann Arbor so 98 legends is confirmed
Just win, baby.
"Turn back the clock" night in honor of Tom Harmon.
Basically the same as today's with all the bells and whistles and stripes and logos removed. And a block M on the socks.
Navy jersey with navy number outlined in navy. Wooded helmet. Navy pants.
This is not about Dave Brandon. Its about the Michigan uniform. The question is, are alternate uniforms an enhancement or a detraction. On the one hand, is the camp that really hates them. On the other hand is the camp that does not care (neutral). There are maybe three people that like them. Thing is, if they were tastefully done, that would be one thing. They are all inferior to the traditional uniforms.
Dave Brandon has been a magnificent AD, otherwise. He just has little fashion sense.
interested in seeing what they came up with.
I'm not a member of the "hate all changes to the Jersey" crew. get with it or get over it.
who knows, Adidas might get it right. /s
Which game did we wear the classic white jerseys last year?
Respect The Process guise. I really don't like DB at all anymore if this is true. He's done great in raising dollars, and expanding the athletic campus, but he's killing The Brand (ironically).
Is he? Seems a little overblown. Sit this one out Timothy.
Yes, he is. Have a seat scparks.
Yeah, I think he is. If this happens as suggested here, I think he's gone way too far. Again, if it happens.
And no, I don't think I'll "sit this one out". Explain to me why your opinion on the matter has more merit than mine...
They add nothing to the game and look really boring compared to the regular, modern uniforms. I don't have a problem per se with special game uniforms, but at least make them cool and modern somehow.
If true - and if it's not a completely subtle/trivial change...
Fuck you, Brandon. The only thing I don't like about seeing video and photos from UTL is not seeing Michigan against Notre Dame in each team's classic uniform. To me, those images would be much nicer if we had been wearing, you know, the best uniform in sports. This crap is so misplaced for a home game against Notre Dame.
Okay, rant over and time to calm down and get back to getting excited for the game.
I'm sorry that was so traumatic for you.
STFU. You are incorrect always.
Michigan in alternate uniforms is like the guy that buys a brand new Mercedes E class or BMW 5 series and then prompty goes and buys 22 inch spinners and adds wheel well chrome to boot.
These people never understand that subtlety is the mission plan.
And the away uni maize piping and number trim is like putting aftermarket gold pinstripes all over either of those cars.
Michigan's an S Class
Actually Michigan is an M5. A performance machine full of only purpose. An S class is for luxury buffs. Serious drivers want more performance.
Big games and special uniforms will attract the interest of our high profile recruits attending tonight. The direction of the program is trending upwards... so don't let an alternate uniform put a bad taste in your mouth.
The game will draw attention, the alternate uniformz are just distraction. That has become our culture. Get off my lawn.
Alabama doesn't need uniformz to recruit and we do?
Oh heavens! Better light my degree on fire!
What happens when a player goes off and has a stellar career wearing a legends jersey? For example, does it become Desmond Howard's legend jersey or George Campbell's?
I think it becomes a "double legacy". Likely hard to do with #21.
As long as we win, I don't care. I thought the UTL jerseys looked good and I'll gladly take some jersey changes and winning over traditional jerseys only and the RR era losing.
In the end, it's still all about winning and getting back respect for Michigan.
It will only be for one game.
At this point, I just hope we don't have highlighter colored jerseys and chrome helmets.
The highlighter yellow is reserved for MBB.
you must be OK with the idea of having a mascot, too.
Bring it on.
"There is no greater tradition in college football today than the uniform that you wear."
Just about to post this... Oddly, Bo was right.
Didn't Brandon promise there wouldn't be any more alternate uniforms? I don't mind as much as most folks but I really thought we were done with it.
I thought I read that too.
I dont hate alternate jersyes per se but there are certain programs that dont need that gimmick. Alabama is the prime example to me I suppose. Make winning your shtick and you'll be fine. I think Texas and Oklahoma would be on the list too. USC. The teams that have been premier teams for decades and decades. Michigan has the longest history of being a premier program so leaving the jersy alone is just fine.
M's uniform is consistently rated as one of the best in CFB, why mess with that?Tweaks are one thing, wholesale deviation is another. It'd be like Coca Cola changing to Helvetica or something.
The way the NFL has handled their logo evolution is pretty spot on, IMO.
If we're going down this road I'd propose we do it for 'new prime games'. Wear them against Nebraska for example. Wear them for the marquee OOC games...which leaves me conflicted here. Michigan vs. Notre Dame is so old school, I'd choose to keep the classic uni's if it were my call to make.
eh, its not though. I hope I like them.
Is there a link to this or something? A tweet? I'm confused
Why some are a little disappointed that Gardner is wearing #98 and lies with the fact that he really hasn't earned THAT right to wear THAT legendary jersey. Only six starts in which he has shown he can be inconsistent with his performance doesn't look like a sufficient résumé to wear a number made famous by Harmon
In truth I'm not sure who has really done enough on there resume to wear that jersey for an entire season. Maybe there hoping Gardner can earn wearing that jersey this season or it will motivate him to play at his best to do #98 proud. I have no problem with the legends jersey schtick as long as its earned, I like the idea although most don't.
Wrong thread. Does anyone have a link for what the alternate jersey looks like or is it buried in here somewhere ?
It's obvious. LEATHER HELMETS!!!!!!!
maize jerseys and blue pants brought to you by Brawndo "the thirst mutilator"
Maize jerseys and white pants. Wooooo!
I wanna see the alternative jerseys nowwwwwww...anyone got a leaked pick..this is the internet for god sakes!!
The players want it? I'm ok with it.
It may have something to do with chrome helmets. If it is, I will be PISSED. Mess with uni's if you want but not the HELMET.
Can we throw back to the days when teams wore the same jersey the whole season?
Since we are playing ND if we have to have alternative jerseys, I vote for Alabama's
Heheh. Just make them blue and maize.
Part of me hopes that it's shirts vs. skins just so everyone gets over this jersey nonsense. They could come out in neon polka dots for all I care.
no, you're not doing it right. You're supposed to say "I don't care if they wear pink tu-tus."
no you wont
Can I have your tickets then?
My bet is that they're the maize tops. Also, after reading through this thread it reminds me that regardless of us rooting for the same team, there's a good portion of you that I just don't like. Some of you just cannot stop complaining.
If it's any consolation, the feeling is mutual. There are probably only three or four posters here who make me cringe every time I see their avatars. You're in elite company.
Regardless, Go Blue.
Why because I'm generally positive and don't feel like I have to bitch about everything that I don't agree with?
You really have no idea what your reply looks like in light of what you're saying do you?
crap for posting this, but I like the atlernate jerseys, and my dad does as well. Other than not being able to see the numbrs in the bowl game, I've liked every jersey they've put out over the last few years.
Also, just my 2 cents, but isn't it really about what the players want? A kid from my high school was being recruited by d1 football teams, and I asked him about some schools, and one of the first things he would mention was "their uniforms are sick". So, if the recruits like it, and the players want it, they should get it. IT SHOULD NOT be about what a bunch of people on an online board want.
It's not simply about what the players want. Or what Brandon wants. Or what some people on an online board want, although that's a bit closer than the first two.
This is dovetailing with another almost-but-not-quite-off-topic train of thought I've been having about the university presidency and why I think Krislov would be an ideal choice, and it's this. His approach to his first presidency job has been to understand, and to make it clear that he understands, that he's just passing through, that the institution he's in charge of is much bigger than he is, even much bigger than the people that have, unlike him, dedicated their entire adult lives to it, and his job is to support and build on that tradition, not to simply impose some vision of his own. He has ideas of his own, of course, but he never throws his weight around to push them through.
I'm not opposed to any change whatsoever, that's not what I'm saying. But we're talking about a football program that's older than any of us and its traditions shouldn't simply be tossed to the winds and to the whims of a particular collection of 18-22-year-olds. Or an AD, for that matter.
who cares you people whine too much
If it is maize jerseys, I would really like that. I think that we should have three sets of jerseys - blue (home), white (road) and maize (alternative home or away jersey). Maize jerseys to be worn twice per year - once at home and once on the road. I always love it when the b-ball team breaks out the maize. They should make the jerseys consistent year to year, but have three options
I'd be okay with once every few years, kind of like Notre Dame with the green jerseys.
...it's gone! #MajorLeague'd
I can kind of semi-deal with the alternate uniforms as long as they're freaking BLUE. Also, they're not "alternate uniforms" when you wear them for every big national game. You now just have 10 different uniforms.
Nevertheless, I'll wait to pass judgment until I see them. Maybe they just added some stupid patch or something.
You guys sure do complain a lot, especially about inconsequential things. The kids seem to like it, let them have their fun -- stop acting like a bunch of whiney bitches for once!
As much as I disliked every alt jersey they have come up with so far, I agree with u completely. The mgobitching gets out of hand
Both sides of this argument have valid points. My thing is if you're gonna have alternate jerseys just make sure they look nice. I've only really been upset about the white bumble bee jersey in EL a couple years back.
What I just seen when the players were walking out they looked like the good ole normal home uni's to me !
Which makes me happy, FERGODSAKES!
Guess you guys got your panties in a knot for naught!
WOO REGULAR JERSEYS EVERYBODY POSBANG
Should have Rabacked it.