I heard they have a kick ass field hockey team.
I heard they have a kick ass field hockey team.
UVA was given a non-acceptable invite
UNC and UVA would be about as good as you can get. Given that though, I'd still rather go back to 12
Late last year, Adam Rittenberg came up with an interesting blog entry on "getting smart" about Big Ten expansion (LINK), and it mentions four points which he considered part of the Big Ten's reasoning.
The one that is interesting, but it does put the notion of adding UNC and UVA in a more interesting light, is population and demographics as a driver, not on-field performance in revenue sports necessarily. I would imagine that the Big Ten would love to expand in the Midwest, but following the population (and a considerable number of its alums and fans) makes much more financial sense. He also mentions AAU membership as a key consideration as well. It's an interesting entry and does help make sense of expanding in a southeasterly direction.
I have to wonder if anyone in the ACC even considering leaving is wondering where the ACC / Maryland lawsuit will go. The judge in North Carolina refused to throw out the suit today, I believe. I have to believe that any school would be hesitant to leave until that is sorted out.
UNC wouldn't be a bad addition. Weakening the ACC is good for America.
So, when we go to 20 teams we could pretty much have Big Ten (Old) and Big Ten (New) as our divisions.
...where does ND wind up? Big 12 or do they come crawling back to BIG?
I can"t decide if the response should be "who cares" or "that ship has sailed."
Given the way they unceremoniously dropped Michigan from their football schedule, probably both.
happens in a vacuum. What we are hearing is limited to the Big Ten, but what about the other conferences? What are they doing?
The SEC is also at 14 teams. Are they sitting on their hands? Is it possible that they are courting, say Florida State and Miami? They seem like natural fits for the SEC.
And if FSU and Miami bolt for the SEC (they AINT going the the Big 12, that is an absurd notion), what is the effect on the ACC, and particularly, UNC, UVa, Duke, Wake and VaTech? It would be devastating, to varying degrees depending on school. What is holding Miami and FSU to the ACC? History with the conference and natural rivalries? Got to be kidding.
I hate what is/has been happening to the ACC, but the schools mentioned (UNC, UVa, etc) are stuck between a rock and a hard place, left hoping the FSU and Miami stay put.
How the hell would you like to be put in that position - hoping that Florida State and Miami stay true to the conference? I sure as hell wouldn't hold my breath.
No SEC member wants to add more schools from their home state and they are looking at expanding their footprint too. VT and NCSt are far more likely to end up in the SEC. They would give the SEC a presence in every southern state.
I don't know if having the University of Florida in Gainsville delivers the entire state. FSU in the panhandle and Miami are totally different markets, and much larger than those of the schools you mention.
Didn't we just have a thread discussing fans of MSU or UM not being fans of the other? Why would fans of Florida be interested in Miami or FSU games? Would delivering the Blacksburg market bring more than Miami or Tallahasse (nobody in northern Virginia cares about VaTech)? Really?
Oh, and nobody really cares about NC State down in North Carolina. The Big Ten certainly aren't courting them, are they? Nobody is courting NC State, now or ever in the history of everything. There is a reason.
I wonder what David Glen is going to do with his crappy ACC sports journal. I like that guy the least of all the terrible 99.9 personalities.
The BTN is on the standard cable packages statewide in every state they have a team. That's how they make a lot of their money and it's driving them into new states. That's why Pitt was never going to get invited. Dollars to doughnuts the SEC network is going to aim for the same kind of deals. Adding FSU and Miami would boost ratings a bit, but it wouldn't add significantly to their subscriber base. Adding NCSt and VT would. I think the SEC would prefer UNC and UVA, just like the B1G, but VT and NCSt are the obvious second choices. Aside from that, UF would be dead set against adding other Florida schools. USC doesn't want Clemson and UGA doesn't want GT. Those schools would almost certainly vote as a block against adding FSU and MIami.
for several years, it is crazy to watch the conference unravel at the seams. It is a direct effect of taking in Miami. They are a cancer.
I would love to have a reason to road trip down to Chapel Hill to watch Michigan/UNC matchups in football. Hearing the Dukies bitch would be icing.
Whats going to happen with the conference name? Is it going to stay the same no matter what?
What's in a name? That which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet.
A Rose... presented by Citi
They can't even revert to calling it the Western Conference if they add a bunch of east coast schools.
Intercollegiate Conference of Faculty Representatives.
If that doesn't say athletic prowess, then nothing does.
If the B1G goes to 20, the name still applies. It would be the 2 Big Ten Divisions. Maybe this is why they didn't give up on the name. They knew it would be relevant again soon enough.
UNCand UVA also increase B1G access to key talent areas.
Delany cares about TV but the B1G coaches certainly want mid-coastal access.
It was only 3 years ago that the NCAA implemented the rule that spring sports could no longer fly. If the Big Ten continues to add East Coast teams, I would think that the NCAA would have to lift that rule. I know West Virginia and Missouri would appreciate it.
Spring sports absolutely fly places. I dropped a couple softball players at the airport last week and picked them up Sunday night.
I know for a fact that Olympic and other spring sport teams are required to travel by automobile.
The baseball team just played 3 games at Cal. Needless to say, they flew. They are not spending 4-6 days on a bus in February driving across the country for a weekend series.
They have a game in Tampa on March 4 and a game in San Diego on March 7. They will not make that trip by bus.
I'm looking at AD (D1, but non-M) paid tags on AD provided baggage as I write this, dated 2/13. For my girlfriends trip to a softball tournament this weekend, they paid for parking at the airport, a certain number of pounds of luggage, airline tickets, food at the airport and transportation from the destination airport to their hotel, and then all of that stuff for the return home as well.
Schools like Michigan do this for every trip over a certain number of hours/miles; she doesn't get to fly as much as Michigan baseball does, and they do travel long distances on buses, but they definitely get plane tickets for their furthest conference games and every tournament.
Florida Leaving the SEC would be like Mattison leaving Michigan.
This happened in 1997.
I can't see UNC going anywhere without Duke. FOr those saying that "it wouldn't be a big deal, just do out of conference games," no. Would you be ok with Michigan and Ohio State being in different conferences? Of course not. No amount of OOC games would make that ok. Michigan-Ohio State is the biggest football rivalry in sports, but the UNC-Duke rivalry is transcendent onto another level. They are 8 miles away. We share the same dry cleaners and apartment complexes. They're private, we're public. The basketball rivalry speaks for itself. It would be a HUGE deal to lose UNC-Duke. They are the yin to our yang.
It would be a huge loss, but isnt that what happen to the ND rivalry? I know its nothing like Michigan vs Ohio or UNC vs Duke, but its still (*was) a pretty big deal... it goes to show you that for the right price schools are willing to kiss tradition bye-bye
There, fixed it for you.
is Syracuse out of the question if the conference expands to 20?
Something about this NC to B1G deal feels like an unsubstantiated rumor to me.
The internet is abuzz over a tweet. Various websites and forums are repeating the tweet, and it's as though an announcement from the school and the Conference were made.
It may be that I'm wrong but it just doesn't have the feel of real news.
I can tell you that every UNC grad I know is praying that its not true
UNC and UVA are the crown jewels of the ACC. If they go the league falls apart. People down here seem to be ignoring it, though. Which is probably best as it hasn't been substantiated yet.
My wife and her sister, both UNC alumni, hate the idea of it. More because of Southern pride than anything else I'm afraid - carpetbagging and all of that. Yeah . . . they still take that shit seriously. I always tell them if they had the talent down here then they wouldn't need us yankee's to do it for them. I am not a popular guy at times.
Even Ermann has tweeted that he didn't say NC was coming to the B1G, though he insists they have an offer.
I really don't see this happening. It might be fun if it did, but no.
From what it sounds like, they were given an offer. Ermann isnt the only one reporting this.
UNC has to be interested in leaving... I seriously doubt an offer was given without having some sort of conversation with school officials
Swofford is a UNC alumnus as well. Living in the triangle you have to be aware of the criticisms the NC State people (and others) have for him - being UNC-centric. Its hard for me to believe UNC isn't being transparent with Swofford. He's too well connected to have an end-run like this upset his empire, even as weakly as it seems to be put together today.
Why can't we have Duke and UNC. Yeah Duke sucks at football, but so does Virginia?
For divisions we should do what I did on PS3, legends and N00bz. All the newbies, Maryland, Nebraska, Penn State ect vs Michigan and Ohio and all that.
Having North Carolina in the B1G for Basketball would be awesome...and taking them away from Duke would make it even sweeter (Hate Coach KKK by the way).
Speaking on behalf of Syracuse, screw UConn, let 'em burn.
We've had some good games with them but they're not our rival.
Why isn't UCONN ever mentioned as a partner? Northeast, Boston/NY tv market.
Just a heads up, Rivals says the B1G needs a Florida school. I can't read the article but it has a picture of Miami so speculate away