fair point that
Per Jeff Ermann (inside MD sports), UNC offered spot in B1G
Well, we all knew expansion wasn't stopping at 14 and UNC makes a lot of sense in a lot of ways. Academics, athletics, the new geographic footprint...my guess is UVA is next.
UVA would make a lot of sense, but I feel like UNC won't go anywhere without Duke. They might follow soon after.
Not much overall in the way of adding to football, but getting the basketball programs would be huge. Plus adding the academics and recruiting footprint would be nice, too.
I don't know that would be true. Why do you think they're connected? The "powers that be" might say NC State is tied @ the hip to UNC, but I don't think a private school is "tied" to UNC. Of course Duke is AAU so it isn't out of the realm of possiblity, but I just don't see it. The B1G now wants flagship schools that will bring in the whole state (& between Charlotte and the triangle, that would be a lot of people)
Also, chief rivalry has not been important as far expansion has been concerned recently. Nebraska-Oklahoma, Texas-TAMU, Missouri-Kansas, 'Cuse-UCONN, Pitt-WVU, Rutgers-...OK you got me there, but you get my point.
Cuse's biggest rival was and always will be Georgetown.
UNC-Duke is much more "chief" than all of those rivalries...one of the biggest in sports, period.
Well, that would be true if anyone gave a F$&@k about basketball, which Pitt and Syracuse recently proved no one does. Again, No one cares about basketball!
I don't understand the fascination with UVA. I appreciate that the school has top notch academics, but I'm looking at TV markes. Maryland already gives you Baltimore-DC, which includes the densely populated northern Virginia area, Strictly from the TV market perspective, UVA adds little.
Seems to me that NC and Georgia Tech would be a better fit if TV markets are your overriding goal. The other possibility is that 16 teams is not where it is stopping.
I know it is a long shot, but does anyone here see a school in Florida that the B1G might be able to sway? Florida is an AAU school, but I highly doubt they would ever leave the SEC.
The state og Georgia is Georgia's territory, GT (great academic school) offers little in terms of market or fan base. UVA has been mediocre in terms of athletic results, but it is a good academic school and has a very strong alumni base across the north east. I think with Rutgers, Maryland, PSU, Michigan and UVA the B1G definitely takes control of the Northeast US (yes, people there do pay less attention to collegiate athletics). I am still pissed about ND, f'em
GaTech is a strong academic school as well, and yes, Georgia is definitely the school, probably followed by Alabama/Auburn in the state of Georgia. However, what exactly did Rutgers add in terms of fanbase? Georgia Tech is a strategic location... pretty much the capital of the south. If the move for Rutgers/Maryland made sense to B1G officials, I'd say the move for Georgia Tech makes sense.
which is average, is that basically one school will not get you the NYC market (i.e. Rutgers), but many schools, such as Michigan have large alumni bases there. I know UNC does, and if UVA does as well, it might increase the number of people in the area demanding the BTN. That and lacrosse. Always lacrosse.
I would love to see USF join and play in Michigan's division. Michigan would get a trip to Florida every two years, the recruiting footprint would be bigger, and USF would make a great tomato can.
Sadly, USF Is too new for the Big Ten. Old money only need apply.
Are you serious? No, no... you can't possibly be serious.
UNC would be foolish to chain themselves to Duke. Meeting them OOC in hoops would be easy to arrange.
Besides, Duke getting left high and dry in some ACC / Big East remnant of a conference is one of the most desireable outcomes in all of this.
You guys are funny. UNC would be foolish to chain themselves to Duke? That makes sense. Their rivalry is equivalent to Michigan and OSU, just in a different sport. Would we all be ok if osu left the Big Ten and we only played them in an OOC game? Didnt think so. UNC will never leave Duke. The ACC just added Lville, Syracuse, ND and Pitt. Do you really think UNC, a true hoops school, would leave that conference? The ACC conference will dominate hoops in years to come and I dont care if all this realignment is fueled by football and money, UNC will stay put. Those schools will help generate enough money for everyone to be happy.
Michigan-OSU has no equal. Anywhere.
If State wins, it could be #2 MSU vs. #7 Michigan. Hopefully a 2-7 matchup is not already another rivalry. It would be Uh-Oh.
the M-ohio rivalry is the best in all of sports.
ACC will dominate huh? Just like this year? ACC is perpetually middling, any school is following that sweet football money to the B1G.
Who said the ACC was suppose to dominate this year? Nobody. The ACC is bringing in Lville and Syracause, which are two great programs. The Big Ten has not been consistently dominant in bball like this year, and they bring in Rutgers and Maryland. I say advantage ACC. Could the Big Ten continue to be this good? Absolutely. But in my opinion, I think the ACC will be the best hoops conf in the years to come. The whole point to this is that UNC will stay put. I dont really care which bball conf dominates, I just dont see UNC ever leaving the ACC.
They won by 2 on a bucket with 2.5 seconds left.
If Michigan, UVA, and UNC and Georgia Tech joined, the Big Ten would have 5 of the top 10 ranked public undergraduate schools in the country according to US News, the others being William and Mary and some University of California schools.
pretty sure michigan joined in 1896. Did you mean duke?
Billions in research dollars. Very timely diary by MosherJordan
If we go to 20 teams look for FSU to be in the mix. Delany wants: NC, FSU, Virginia and Georgia Tech. NC and the state's TV sets are the main prize.
There is almost no chance that FSU would be invited to the Big Ten. It's not a good school, isn't in the AAU and is a distant 2nd banana to Florida in their own state.
B1G just took nebraska a truly mediocre school, an academic wasteland.
In that case Basketball just became even harder...
Unc and UVA would be fine with me. I like them better than md and Rutgers, that's for sure.
What? You're not impressed with Rutgers' shining tradition of winning in sports, preeminence as an academic institution, and strong fan following in their home state?
Why is Rutgers in the Big 10 again? WHY?!?!?!
Maybe someone has a beef with you and wants to send you to the grave.
I kid; I kid.
As the traditions in college football go to the grave, so do I. Mr. Brandon and Mr. Delany are just expediting the process.
You have to admit that pulling in a UNC, UVa, or Duke would be an amazing move by those two, though. I'm probably biased being down here in Carolina but it would be great to see any or all of these three in the B1G, if only because of the academics.
Rutgers has many graduate programs with similarly high rankings as Michigan.
Maryland on the other hand....
Apparently you are NOT taking into account the MOST important factor. Rutger's new football helmets are WAY KOOL. Total win. That alone is worth having them in the conference. If you don't know what I mean, google image them... I'd add a link or pic here but what do I know about fancy computer things.
UNC, UVA, GT, VT, whatever. At this point, the B1G should just go for world domination.
Might as well poach the whole ACC while we're at it as a gift to Notre Dame
GT & VT > Maryland and Rutgers, in all regards. Boy, I am sure glad we added those two powers first to get all that "TV money"... if the cable model still exists the next time a Big 10 TV deal is signed.
Jim Delany: "Cable money is much more important than either football relevance or academic prominence."
I wish I spent all day reading your comments regarding Rutgers joining.
Might as well poach the whole ACC while we're at it as a gift to Notre Dame
Although this constant expansion is annoying. I actaully like adding UNC a lot. They're a great academic institution, new area/market, great basketball tradition, they have a football team. Plus it would annoy the hell out of Duke. Which would be entertaining.
I agree. I kind of like the idea of adding UNC, and since the most important thing to me is adding good football programs, I've felt weird about liking that idea.
I think UNC has potential as a football program, and it's one of those programs that probably really would improve if it joined the Big Ten. There's also a good amount of talent in that part of the country, so it'd be nice to open up those recruiting areas a bit.
I added UNC and UVA to my NCAA dynasty custom conferences last year. This is old news.
Interesting. I'm curious about the timing if this is true. I wonder if UNC just got that offer or if they've been sitting on it for awhile.
If it happens (and boy does it look like it will), let it be Carolina blue! (Add UVA and we have all the great state schools not in Cali), plus actually good sports
Is "boy does it look like it will" based entirely on that tweet above? If it is, I'm not sure I follow.
Ah I should clarfiy. The writing seems to be on the wall that the B1G will not stop at 14. So if there is further expansion (which I think is more when than if) I would want it to be UNC
Got it. Thanks. I buy that.
UNC & UVa would be nice additions to get us to 16.
Any chance would push the envelope to 18 teams? Wouldn't mind adding NC State and Duke to the mix of the B1G.
Yes, Virginia, NC, GT, and one more. Does VT come with Virginia? Will the state legislature allow them to separate.
If the Big Ten expands to 16, my guess is the SEC also expands, and VT is almost assuredly #1 on their list. I think they'd be ok if the two teams are in separate conferences if those two conferences are the most powerful in the country.