I like what I hear.
Jeff DelVerne's Tweets on the Scrimmage
well we should for sure be able to trust the analysis of the kicking game which may be the most important news we could hear. the off and def will continue to improve as the year goes on, but with the kicker either you got it or u dont.
I've always had high hopes for him.
Bad=Good in this case.
Damn kids with all their backwards slang and such
And you dang kids, get the heck off my lawn
Not sure if I believe it yet.
is still awaiting confirmation.
kinda like vunter slaush
Ahh beaten by a minute, well played.
...those tweets weren't from Coach Jackson?
Who is this Fitzgerald Toussaint you speak of? I was convinced he was a figment our collective imaginations?*
*except for when he won the Heisman for me in NCAA 11.
he is the best back on the team with the lowest rating but after a good year he becomes like a 97
will there be a madri gra sized party in A2?
EDIT: POST #500 WOOO!
it will be bigger.
If we go undefeated, there will be a Mardi Gras party in Hoke Arbor.
Festivities will begin on the corner of Hoke and Hoke, right outside of Hoke Auditorium.
That would be quite confusing...but it'd be worth it!
at Hoke Auditorium...memories, memories, memories...
Yspilanti would become East Hoke Arbor in the confusion.....
We already have a protectorate over Ypsi. /imperialism
This makes Saline, Dexter, Scio Township, Barton Hills, Pittsfield Township, etc....all vassal states of Hoke Arbor? I see potential here....
for "Hoke Arbor." That's got to be the funniest thing I've seen all week.
As for the vassal states, we should grant baronial titles to famous Wolverines and give them gold scepters to wave about as they rule over these communities with a maize-and-blue fist of justice.
Dan Dierdorf shall now be styled as "The Baron Dierdorf, Protector Of The Whitmore Lake And Warren Road Area"
Now that's just cruel to the residents of State Street.
Anyone else rooting for a 12-1 season now?
Must. Tame. Optimism.
But in all seriousness, gotta take these things with a grain of salt. Don't get me wrong, it's better than hearing "Team looked lost", but it was just one scrimmage.
I agree completely. It's always bitter sweet to here good things about the team, players, and recruits. It's awesome because they're supposedly doing well; it's no so awesome when they don't perform to their hype, your fantasy based on the compliments, or turn out to be a 3 star recruit who was suppose to be borderline 5 star.
Desmond Howard.... or Jeff DelVerne... Whose opinion should I listen to...
DelVerne. I want my delusions of grandeur to continue.
Now lets go win the National Championship!
Alright, well my decipherment of this post is that if we want to win the B1G on a consistent basis we need to develop elite-level consistency, but the scrimmage has shown that we can acheive elite-level play in flashes on both sides of the ball but need to get more consistent. We are a far cry from the middle-of-the-pack team we had last year. I'm probably taking it a lot more positively than he intended.
Damn...you turned 160 characters into that. Well played, sir.
Nah, you're not taking it too far. I'm 100% certain that if twitter allowed more characters this is exactly what Desmond would have said, verbatim.
It is the same thing I say on the Frank Borman Expressway every time we visit family in Chicago.
Less "ranting." Seems like this has been echoed by quite a few people so far in the fall and also the spring.
I've noticed that thread throughout a lot of analysis too.
If the difference between Hoke and RR is brought up so much, what was a standard RichRod practice like? I know from gamedays that he looked violently disgusted at times on the sidelines, so I imagine it was something like that, but probably worse since he wasn't on national TV.
i went to michigan coaches clinic back in 2003 and 2005. lloyd and staff were always polite and when we viewed practice he and staff coached them and they ran a basic practice. when i went to coaches clinic in 2008...1st yr on job...i thought it was a will ferrel saturday night live skit the way he and his staff screamed and yelled and cussed at all the players. i thought to myself if this is how he is in front of coaches tht might send players to him...whats it like when no one is watching. i gave him the benefit of the doubt becuz i herd bo was like that...but it did give me a bad vibe.
It's become increasingly clear that RR spent too much time berating the team. (Rosenberg got that part right, at least.) And, yes, RR's body language was too often negative.
I've not surprised to hear that RichRod had problems with impulse control. You alluded to his sideline demeanor, which was often unmistakably cloudy.
I don't mean to go all Section 1 on you, but did you have to give even a drop of praise to that @#$% Rosenberg? I'm at least 11% serious. Those articles went too far and hurt the program unnecessarily.
Those boys need positive encouragement! Bah. This meme wasn't legitimate when Rosenberg wrote it or now. Both styles of coaching can work, it depends upon coach and players. There is nothing superior in either approach- great coaches have used both.
You should read Martha Nussbaum's writings on shame. Destructive shame, which would be caused by too much negative reinforcement and not enough positive reinforcement, would have detrimental effects on a team. Constructive shame, on the other hand, has positive effects. That's what the current staff seems to be causing in the players. Long story short, just yelling at your players isn't going to result in anything positive. It may work in the immediate future, but will come back to bite you in the ass. I'm sure any teachers or coaches can back that up.
I believe Nick Saban yells like an asshole. I'd trust that his coaching methods work pretty well and don't "bite him in the ass."
I'm sure Nussbaum would have much to teach him.
To be clear, I'm not saying any yelling is good, just that a blanket statement like above that lots of yelling is counter-productive to player development is not correct. Great coaches can come in the yelling and non-yelling varieties.
I think you mean Positive Punishment instead of Negative Reinforcement. Negative Reinforcement is still reinforcement not punishment. Negative Reinforcement strenghtens a behavior because a negative condition is stopped or avoided as a consequence of the behavior.
Negative Reinforcement is often confused with Punishment because of the word "negative". However, they are very different.
Some coaches yell more than others. Bo Pelini yells a lot. Brian Kelly yells even more. Bill Parcells made grown men cry. It's a perfectly accepted and widely practiced form of coaching and motivation.
His problem wasn't berating players. And his problem certainly wasn't "negative body language;" there's no such thing as football coach feng shui. His problem was losing. But he's gone, so let's stop making comparisons and saying that the new way is better because the old way led to losing. Hoke is heavier than RR, but that doesn't mean that having a lighter coach was our problem. Mattison doesn't have GERG's flowing mane, but that doesn't mean that beautiful hair was bad for the football team.
There is a certainbody langauge though. I attended some RR coached practices during his last season here and whenever the defense messed up he'd get mad. The defeatist "We're so fucked" kind of mad, not the "light a fire under your asses" kind of mad. Also some unpleasant yelling between him and some assistants (including the one of the flowing mane). The players can tell when the coach has no confidence in them.
Mattison will definitely bark at people but it's much clearer he's doing to get them to play with emotion, not just because he's yelling out of frustation.
I'm just saying there's a chicken and egg problem. I'd bet most of my money on the idea that they were fucked and therefore his body language was negative, rather than the idea that his body language was negative and therefore the team was fucked.
Gotta believe before you achieve.
No developmental process is as black and white as you're painting it here. To think there's not a reciprocal, mutually reinforcing relationship between those two things is naive.
And if that was the impression I gave, it was wrong. But remember what Mike Martin said at B1G media week?
“We were all going hard, obviously,” Martin said. “(This) was our first impression on the coach.”
After the workout, Mattison pulled Martin aside and warned him: “That was terrible. That was completely terrible. You guys have to do much better.”
I'm merely suggesting that the way the last coaches did things weren't that far removed from what a bunch of other coaches (including, to an extent, these coaches) do, and that many of those coaches are successful in doing so. Some players respond to coddling, some respond to being screamed at, and some respond to having their talent/desire/cojones called into question. Hell, RR's personal style worked at WV.
Maybe it didn't work at Michigan. Maybe he misread the attitude of the team, and maybe his motivational techniques didn't work with this group of guys. But the problem was the losing (oh... the losing... so much losing...), which had a bunch of causes, many of which (I would argue) far exceeded RR's body language in terms of proximate causation.
I'm as big a Hoke/Mattison/Borges fan as anyone, and I think they are doing some really, really good stuff. But I get tired of hearing the "RR did X, but Hoke does Y. QED, Y>X," We all mocked Dantonio's countdown clocks, and then Hoke put up a bunch of them. Maybe they motivate players, and maybe they don't. But I refuse to believe that a winning season will make the use of clocks inherently better, or RR's clocklessness worse.
I'd just like to see an end to the preemptive post hoc/prompter hoc comparisons is all. Hoke Uber Alles.
Who didn't look violently disgusted at times? You should have seen me in my living room last year.
Did the 1's go against the 1's?
Figured Toussaint would be better this year without a Knee brace, and dropping a few pounds. Time will tell if he is going to be a big time back or not.
I don't know about "Madri Gra" but a Mardi Gras Parade is in the works...
wasnt really paying attention when i wrote that post, i didnt even notice it was #500 until i got an email about it
Yeah, that sounds way too positive to be realistic to me
WHAT??! The words "defense" and... "amazing" ... in the SAME SENTENCE TOGETHER?! eeeee I'm going to have wonderful dreams of Craig Roh eating quarterbacks tonight.
Remember saying "it is AMAZING how bad our DEFENSE is" several times last year
Wonder if Jeff is telling all or just being positive? I have heard conflicting reports about the defense.
Is it good or bad that the offense "got tore up"?
DelVerne says they looked "sharp" on both sides so I will take that as a good thing. Some other twitter posts regarding the scrimmage from some random dudes describe it as "legit" and "they defense is nicceee".
...in preparation for gameday. Hell no if they (O1) were dogged out by the 2's (D-second unit). But things should even out over the next 2 weeks. I'm curious to know if Coach Hoke heard "the sound of football".
than that if we're to consider you for Tim's job, mgojen
I do believe the OP likes himself some Fitz Tousaint. And I can't say that I blame him.
or amazing relative to "wheel routes open by 25 yards" ? Either way its a good sign I suppose.
I'm still seeing a counselor over those wide open wheel routes.
Rumor has it last guy Hoke pointed at, well let's just say we don't talk about Omar no more.
Keep drinking that Kool-Aid. We need posters like u. Stay tough Blue!!!!
....the bridge, of course. I had part of the project which put Edison facilities out of the way of the proposed demolition. What a pain.
The only problem with these kinds of observations is that it was Michigan vs. Michigan. How are we going to look against a non-Michigan opponent?
please please please...
I'm pretty sure this all means we'll be awesome.
The legend of the Toussaint...Rumor has it there was a sighting of him running like a crazy man against the bgsu falcons, but no one has seen him since. Could he be Chupacabra of the Michigan football team? The one that will be chosen to be a side kick to the Robinson?
I once beat del Verne in beer pong. True story. He beat me every other though. Despite the fact that he was a drink kicker, he still was an incredible athlete.
but someone with more technical savy than myself needs to re-work it so that it contains maize instead of red
If only I could figure out how to uploadd that as my picture.
Now THIS needs to be blown up as a poster for College Gameday. Everyone will get a kick out of it.
are my hero
Never wore red, my ass.
Trieu said that Wyatt Shallman was there today. Always nice to have him on campus.
Fred JAckson is going to get in trouble for hacking into DelVerne's twitter account.
Those reviews sounded downright effusive.
Kicking game looked solid!
Relief: I haz it.
If a former kicker says the kicking game looked good, and he likes what he sees with Matt Wile, then I am convinced we will be in good hands.
I'll believe the kicking game when I see it; practice is a different story from the real deal. But , positive notes overall.
This is true. I remember Rich saying Gibbons and Seth would routinely hit 50 yarders down the pipe in practice.
I'm gonna bet DelVerne is a little to optimistic and Desmond is a little more pessimistic...
However, if they meet the middle somewhere than that would be a nice team to watch this year. I dont have out of this world hopes but still think we are gonna be a little better than some people think.
I believe in Fitzgerald Toussaint.
i heard from the scrimmage down here in cbus yesterday. Still can't settle on a quarterback, but looks like 40 year old may be the leader at the moment.
I'll take a kicker who can do half of what Jay Feely was doing Friday night (30 yarders); here's hoping Wile is the guy on Main St.