Per the twitters. No Michigan offer and there really was no mutual interest. This kid hails from our Cass Tech pipeline that will likely be owned by our Little Brother in 2015.
Offered him? And if so, what was his interest level in us? Seems like a pretty good athlete
Borgess had ample time to evaluate him, and didn't pull the trigger. State saw something in him that Michigan didn't .
My impression is that MSU, for some time, has't run an offense that would be condusive to Jayru Campbell's playing style. Their new OC (former Ohio OC) Jim Bollman seemed really conflicted with dual-threat quarterbacks, such Pryor and T. Smith. Despite my personal negative impression of T. Pryor as a person, I certainly could recognize his immense talent. With the exception of the Rose Bowl against Oregon, where Pryor dominated, I always felt his talent was wasted at Ohio. For Jayru's sake, assuming Bollman actually survives long enough to coach him, he better hope Bollman is able to expand his mind.
I hope people on this site are positive for this kid, except when he plays us. No need to disparage him because he chose Sparty.
Jayru Campbell is a drop back passer who has the legs to eat up some ground so far at the high school level. He's not Terrell Pryor.
And Troy Smith won the Heisman Trophy.
Congrats to Jayru. I don't see him as a dual threat. What makes you say that? I'd say he's your typical drop back passer.
After watching his film again he reminds me a lot of Maxwell for MSU. THey're both good QBs.
Is he a dual threat QB? I think everything I've seen says he's a pretty straight-forward pocket-passer type.
EDIT: Whoops, not trying to pile on the commenter. Everyone else seems to type a lot faster than me. I've clearly got that Big10 speed in my fingers.
Black quarterbacks like Geno Smith are all dual threat.
My take, purely from watching his videos, as I don't live in Michigan anymore, is that Campbell has a great skill set that can be very effective, so long as he's used properly. This was my point. He's above-average athletic, has a proven track record of success, throws a decent ball, and he's listed at 6' 3" 190lbs. Pryor was taller at 6' 6". Troy Smith was shorter at 6" 1'. Neither of those guys were either pure dual-threat or pro-style, imo.
My only point, which maybe came off poorly, was that Jim Bollman isn't the most creative of OCs. I imagine every Buckeye fan reading this post just said, "Ahem!"
I certainly didn't mean to write a post that could be construed as racist. For that, I'm sorry, and somewhat embarassed.
Pryor is pretty much the definition of dual threat. He improved in his last year as a passer, but he averaged over 700 rushing yards per year at Ohio.
...and didnt offer.
No offer from Michigan.
Not even sure if Alabama offer was commitable one considering they got Ricky Town.
The Alabama offer was not commitable even before Ricky Town. No Bama QB offer is commitable when extended. It's just and offer to be evaluated in person. This is well known. I kind of think the early ND and Bama offers were "freshman starting for state championship game? Let's get our foot in the door." Not even sure the ND offer would be commitable at this point either.
Alabama and ND both offered him a year ago as a freshman, but Campbell didn't develop as much expected last year. No other high major has been recruiting him hard. He still has a high ceiling, but there are a number of better QB prospects in the 2015 class right now.
Maybe we were waiting to offer him? He was set to visit in November, I think.
I don't believe that they were ever going to offer him. Which isn't to say that he has no talent, he just doesn't come close to the skill set that they want at the position. They have offered one 2015 QB and shown interest in half a dozen others and he was not one of those.
but if hes a drop back passer like everyone is saying, then what skill set was he lacking?
He hasn't proven he's good enough to get an offer. It's as simple as that. He needs a better arm and needs to make better decisions.
Well the West Coast Offense is about timing and accuracy/decision making so you would start there when looking for qualities. I would say that biggest thing that he's lacking right now is foot work, which looks pretty poor. And his mechanics just aren't very good either. If you go to his highlight tape and watch the throw at the 0:53 second mark, he's rolling out and he throws off of his back foot and doesn't get any legs into it at all, he just kind of throws it like you would in the backyard. Obviously he's still really young and has plenty of time to develop, but he needs so much more work than a lot of other quarterbacks and there's no guarantee he'll get there.
There was an article back in March (HERE) which reported that Campbell was, if nothing else, at least paying attention to Michigan. Jayru himself said:
"I would like to have an offer from Michigan, but I guess they want to see my development," Campbell said. "I believe Mike [Weber] and I will attend the same school, but if not probably the same conference"
If that is the case, then the staff may have wanted to see another season of Jayru at Cass Tech perhaps. It doesn't seem like an offer would have been in the near future even by his own words.
He's a good prospect, from what I've seen (which is admittedly limited to the championship games). But he looks like an average athlete to me. Not a dual threat type of guy. He's a pocket passer. He has the same build as Devin in high school and the same funky "shot put" style of release that he'll have to change. He also has Gardner's calm presence in the pocket. He's pretty unflappable back in the pocket. But in terms of sheer athleticisim, he's not close to Devin in terms of foot speed, quickness and arm strength.
MSU has really been making an effort to get into Cass Tech. Looks like it's paying off.
With no one with a honest to goodness offer? I suppose you could count Finley, but that came way late after Dawson committed and I don't know how hard they actually pursued or if it was an exploratory offer.
I don't think he was ever very high up on our board, and we probably never going to get an offer from us. Still though, big pick up for State.
We're going to have to get used to other schools making inroads into Cass Tech, though I still think we will have first dibs on whoever we want to get.
Except Damon Webb
ever really panned out? We have yet to see wth Dawson and Lewis, but for the most part Cass players have been less than overwhelming at the collegiate level.
Great point. It's great to have an in state pipeline but it's not as if they've produced the same talent as say Glenville. Even the almighty V. Gholston was largely overrated
The All American?
I just wonder what BWC would have done if he was coached by Hoke and Mattison for his whole career.
And his teammates Curtis Greer, Tom Seabron and Roosevelt Smith.
Best of luck to him. I hope he succeeds at everything he does except for that one Saturday a year we play them.
So we should have offered a QB the staff clearly didn't want? We got commitments from three guys in the last class, so that should be enough to let them know we still value their program.
You lose a "pipeline" school when you are not genuine with a recruit or string him along. That certainly isn't the case here.
It's all good. This is a really good situation for both Cass and MSU. In the long run, I don't see this as being a big concern for Michigan going forward with re: to the recruitment of Cass Tech.
There were some tweets posted on the 247 board.
Based on those tweets he seems pretty upset about not getting offered by Michigan.
who has a chip on their shoulder because they feel slighted by Michigan? Shocker. In other news....WE LANDED ON THE MOON!!
It was all in a film studio. Look at the flag and how it waves in the footage!
Besides, why would anyone want to go to the moon?
If he wasn't even offered, who has Michigan offered for 2015 QBs?
Kind of disappointed but he wasn't offered so I guess there are better choices.
Just sucks that he's going to a team Michigan plays every year. Hopefully Alabi can come here and sack him a lot.
Josh Rosen is the only 2015 QB to be offered.
The only 2015 QB that Michigan has offered is California QB Josh Rosen.
Edit: sorry for the double post
What about Malzone? I've heard a lot about him.
"It's awesome in the sense that more and more big traditional programs are looking at me. Michigan even more because their process is usually very slow with quarterbacks so that's an honor in itself."
That was Rosen's reaction to getting a offer from Michigan.
I said something similar below.
There is a chance that we don't see another QB get offered until much later, maybe Feb of next year.
Wilton Speight got offered on signing day for the 2013 class.
Like Rosen said above, this staff likes to take their time with QB evaluation and offers.
Not to be a bummer but reading through this interview it doesnt seem like Rosen really has Michigan high on his interest list. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1698410-2015-5-star-qb-josh-rosen-talks-pac-12-schools-crazy-call-from-a-michigan-fan
Those of us who follow recruiting already know that. My point in posting that quote was not really about Rosen, but about how our staff likes to take their time evaulating QBs.
Rosen is most likely going to stay out west. If he doesn't get the Stanford offer that he wants, he is going to go to Cal.
Name one other high major program recruiting Campbell right now. The Alabama and ND offers were from his freshman year, but both of those programs have backed off recruiting him. There has been no other news of other programs making a move for him.
I think the story here is that Campbell is not on the board of prospects that Michgan was recruiting.
That's a good get for MSU. He's certainly a dynamic prospect from what I've seen of him.
I will look foolish if he becomes an All-American someday, but I just watched his highlight video and do not see an elite QB prospect. I've seen much better talent in the 2015 class.
If he's bent about not getting a Michigan offer, that's just too bad.
I haven't watched any highlight films of Campbell. Still living in Michigan I have watched some of his games on FSD and the like. In context, I liked what I saw of him.
God, I hope we never offer someone just to keep him away from MSU.
This. Every scholarship in the 2014 and 2015 classes is going to be worth it's weight in gold.
We just lost a solid Plan B. We can find a more accurate passer but the pressure is on now. I hope we keep the Cass Tech pipeline strong
Don't even know if he is a Plan B.
There is a chance Alex Malzone is higher on the board than Campbell.
As a brother rice grad I'd love to see Malone get some hype. We have a long way to go and QB takes longer to develop then most we only have 1 offer out now and it's a pipe dream offer
And I know the Malzone family his older brother is attending u of m and I'm sure Alex would love to be a wolverine
Malzone is higher according to steve lorenz im pretty sure. he laid out the qb board on 247 a while back.
Looks like recruiting matters to MSU fans now.
...until Michigan gets another big commit. Then it won't matter again.
A Mich offer to play with a lot of his boys might change things.
I don't know that it would be that easy. Late offers usually don't impress kids, they are smart enough to realize when they weren't a schools first choice, and set out to prove them wrong.
I hate recruiting now that not getting an offer before your junior year is a slight.
years past with Terry and now Campbell.
That's fine by me, we never lost against Stanton.
Will they play special teams too?
Oops. Here is proof that assumptions based on physical appearances can lead to embarrassingly ignorant statements.
So are MSU fans going to continue the narrative that Wilcher pushes his kids away from East Lansing?
Curtis Blackwell, the new recruiting coordinator. We may or may not have offered Campbell, but this is a solid pick up for MSU from a school that has been marked for years with a block M.
We really sound like our rivals when we say "we never offered him"
So you suggest that we say that he has an offer from Michigan.
That would just make us all liars.
But we never did offer him and didn't look like he was even a possibility.
I think Campbell would have been offered.
An offer. Saying anything else is a foolish attempt to give credit where none is due.
But the 2014 guys we offered had been in close contact with the M staff for months before the offers went out, and the top guys knew who they were. And the next group down were told as much as well. Campbell found himself in (at least) that next group down. That doesn't mean it's 100% sure he wouldn't be offered, but it's very fair to assume he was very unlikely to be offered.
In 12 we offered 1 QB. In 13 we offered 1 QB. Do you really think that Campbell was going to be that 1 QB that gets the offer in 14?
Except that we didn't offer him. This had nothing to do with Blackwell and everything to do with not getting an offer from Michigan.
I thought he would have been a good offer, but the coaches seem to be very careful and deliberate in their approach to offering quarterbacks and that didn't seem to mesh with his timeline. Good luck to him.
I get the feeling that Josh Rosen is so good that the coaches felt like we needed to offer him early.
Wilton Speight got offered on signing day for the 2013 class.
If the same holds true this cycle, we might not see another QB offered until Feb of 2014.
These kids have 2 more years of high school football to play before even getting a dorm room for cripes sakes. There is so much development ahead of them, especially as a QB that I really don't see how any UM fan could be upset we did not offer a kid just to keep him away from MSU.
If this was 1970 and we could take multiple QBs, then sure. Since we only have room for one QB in the 2015 class, why would this be a good offer? I must be missing something after watching his film.
I kind of feel like we just expected to offer and get him since he's a BCS level QB from Cass Tech, but I've never thought he looked like a high-end prospect. He'll probably end up a 3* or a 3/4* tweener and be fine, but I've seen no indication that we ever planned to offer him.
Couldn't get into Michigan and went to Staee instead? He'll fit right in.
Just kidding, wish the kid all the best except against us.
Good luck to Jayru, seems like a great kid from our pipeline school. I just don't see how he fits in with the offense that State runs?
Saw him play on numerous occasions last year. He is very raw at QB. Not surprised Hoke didn't give him a offer.
Good player from what I've seen and read and I'm sure they'll be a future Saturday where we regret he's not blue but... I think the lack of an offer (or even clearly demonstrated interest) is telling. The coaches have been very selective with their QB offers and probably could have landed him if they'd made it a priority given all their built-in advantages (Cass Tech pipeline, QB lineage at Michigan, the skill position talent already enrolled / committed that he'd play with, etc.)
Go away. Theres a spreadsheet for selling tickets go find it
My care level is low about this. Coaches didnt offer him and I didn't go "wow" after watching his film. Furthermore in 2015 Wilton Speight will be a sophomore and there's still plenty of time to land players we actually wanted at that position in 2015 in class. Not time to hit the panic button yet
but we weren't going to offer him unless we lost all our plan a,plan b and plan c guys. IF we wanted him we would have offered him earlier don't you think.
I've watched some Cass games. He pretty much never scrambles and takes off on his own. Are people just calling him a "dual-threat" because he's black? Not saying he's bad, I'm just saying he's a pro-style all the way unless I'm missing something.
Also state fans are claiming he chose MSU over Alabama and Michigan... I doubt Bama would take him after getting Ricky Town and Michigan didn't offer. But they can believe whatever makes them feel better I guess.
Bama was just letting him know they had interest. They already have two top 5 QBs verbally commited. Jayru isn't in that same neighborhood.
Just so you know, and I'm pretty sure this is well established at this point, but no Alabama QB initial offers are commitable. The initial offer is really an offer, or invitation, to be evaluated in person. I'm guess since it came so early, it was really a "freshman on championship team, get the foot in the door" offer. If Campbell called Bama, even before their last commit, he would not have been able to commit.
I know I posted this link earlier in thread, but I think Campbell's skillset is open to debate. This debate is not necessarily fueled by racism.
According to 247 stallworth also committed to state today.
Does anyone know if we ever planned to offer him? I had never heard of him before 'OMG MSU owns Michigan recruiting happened'. Seems like the O-linemen we're interested in right now are Sterling Jenkins and maybe Chuma Edoga
He seems like a better prospect than Jayru, but it also sounds like we had no interest in him either. No recent visits from him despite the proximity and no offer.
to visit Jayru? i know he got a bama offer, so that is a pretty good win for sparty.
It was an offer but not a real OFFER. Bama landed #1 overall QB Ricky Town. The end.
To add to that,
Sometimes, Bama's "offers" are basically an invitation to their camp.
Like Hoke/Borges, Nick Saban doesn't truly offer until someone has seen the QB throw at camp or in practice.
Good luck to the kid, but my overall reaction is "meh." No offer, wasn't going to get one and has not developed to the point he would have been on Michigan's radar.
Do you have some sort of power to tell the future?
There have been a handful of QBs M has shown interest in or have made a priority outside of the one they've offered. Jayru is not one of them, in fact he was upset about that. So now he's at MSU.
I'm not saying he sucks or anything, but it's unlikely he was going to get an offer because the coaches haven't wanted pursued him the way they have others.
It's possible that the coaches are not going to offer any more QBs until Signing Day, which means they will be able to watch him for his entire junior season before making a decision on whether or not to offer.
There's no way that anyone can predict right now if he will or will not eventually get a Michigan offer.
So it's impossible for the staff to let Wilcher know that they just aren't interested in Jayru and the kid should look elsewhere, which he just did?
It's not impossible. But the thing I described is also not impossible. That's why I'm dismayed at the confident "he wasn't going to get an offer" attitude.
OK, but what the posters meant was "unlikely to get an offer."
Have been saying that he wasn't in line for an offer, it's pretty safe to say that he wasn't going to get one.
that after his sophomore that is how people/coaches feel but he's got 2 more years to develope. Michael Jordan didn't even make the varsity basketball as a sophomore in high school. Two years is a lot of time for someone to grow and improve. Heck, if he blows up and becomes really good, there'll be a ton of coaches knocking on his door to see how solid that commitment is to Sparty.
This pickup will Keep Sparty interesting if they can continue to recruit/develop the way they have prior.
I think the bigger picture is if Narduzzi does leave after 2013, Sparty is going to ironically have to rest on this kid's scrambling ability to control games and run Denard-type plays instead of relying on their defense to shut teams down.
Mark Dantonio won a National Championship at Ohio State as the defensive coordinator and has been Narduzzi's HC since 2003. I wouldn't bet on a huge drop off defensively if Narduzzi leaves.
MAC level talent, probably 3 star, seen him play a few times not impressed.
MAC level talent doesn't get an offer (or whatever you want to call the thing he has) from Alabama. This is starting to sound like sour grapes people...
Try reading the numerous posts in this tread about the Bama "offer" before you start the sour grapes talk. There is also a good post explaining why Jayru is not a top QB prospect.
That's why I put the caveat in parentheses. The comment above refered to Campbell as "MAC level" and Alabama wouldn't be showing any interest at all in him if that were true.
How many times does someone on this blog talk about how different schools have "shown interest" in order to hype up an M prospect? That needs to go both ways and if it doesn't, it's sour grapes.
How can it be sour grapes if the kid didn't have an offer? That makes no fucking sense what-so-ever.
Did he have any other offers other then the bama interest? And furthermore your saying he turned down bama for lil bro? Ha
You're entitled to your own opinion, but this isn't an opinion that is shared by many people about Campbell.
have assumed Campbell was a scrambler when, as others have pointed out, he clearly is not. I have to say I am pretty embarrassed by stereotyping this kid because of his ethnicity. My apologies for being a lazy douche.
Kudos to you for admitting it.
rush end/lb tom seabron
rb harlan huckleby
dt curtis greer
rb clarence williams
don't remember if rb thomas wilcher played hs ball for cass or just coached there afterward
dt will campbell
rb roosevelt smith
Thank you, it is very hit or miss. And the hits are not "hits" if you know what I mean. It's a nice pipeline buts its no Glenville High, etc. I am hoping Dawson is the kid to change that situation of getting a real "wow" player from the school.
Hope he gets a terrific education and meets a nice girl.
Good for Sparty. It is good to keep quality talent in the B1G footprint. I wish him well in all of his games except when he is playing us. Hopefully this doesn't impact our pipeline status with Cass Tech.
Alabama, Wisconsin, Notre Dame and MSU on this kid's offer list.
Campbell has a powerful arm and is tall/lanky guy. I think it's a big mistake to underestimate or discount him. Watch. He'll probably have a blow out, kick-ass senior year too.
I wish him good luck of course, but hope that somehow Borges will see the potential and come 2015 Jayru can be turned over to the good guys.
After watching Tech play last year I honestly wonder if they aren't recruiting him as a running back with occasional looks as a wildcat qb, and only a situational passer. That's pretty much how he was used last year, more rushes than passes in the games I saw.
Campbell has great potential. His committment will mean a lot for MSU.
As for the ramifications it has for us, I'm torn. On the one hand, I think Rosen is a superior quarterback to Campbell. That being said it doesn't look like Rosen is coming here. That's not good, because I wouldn't have been disappointed to see Campbell in a U of M uniform at all.
The state of Michigan has two players I badly want in 2015 - Cole and Alabi. I would also like Weber, and I would have liked Stallworth, but those are second-tier needs. Campbell was probably a tier below that, although we can't afford to swing and miss at bigger QB targets in 2015.
Not much zip on his passes. They all seem to be you outrun the coverage and I'll throw it up really high and let you run under it. Still, it is tough to see the leader (read QB) of one of our pipeline schools commit to an instate rival. This plus Blackwell should make for some interesting Cass Tech recruiting battles in the next few years.
That's a fair criticism, but Campbell's strength is his accuracy and decision-making. He's had lapses before but they come rarely and seldom last for long.
Accuracy on your deep ball is alot different then accuracy on a slant or 5 yard out. I will say that he does seem to always find the open man but more times than not the open man seems to be 40 yards downfield. Big Ten secondaries will play better than DPS teams.
Edit: first double post
Edit: first triple post. It is a bad day on the internet for me.
People need to chill out about this affecting the pipeline. Even all the Cass Tech kids to come here did not sway Webb. Also, other Cass kids have gone elsewhere (mostly because they did not have a UofM offer but still). Kids will go to the school that is best for them in the end. Michigan just has had a head start in the past and maybe MSU and other school start to catch up a bit but Michigan will get a number of Cass Tech kids in the future.
Michigan got a couple kids from Glenville but I am no more confident than I was a couple years ago to get high level players from there.
UM will get its kids, for sure. That said, I can't help but think that the Blackwell hire is already paying dividends for MSU.
You feel it's paying dividends based on one guy committing who never got a UM offer?
They didn't lose him to Kentucky, so that's an improvement
Who cares if he didn't have an offer? My point is that I bet Blackwell is helping to steer more kids to MSU (they received another tentative commit yesterday).
Quote from Wilcher: "Me and Curtis have always had a great working relationship,” Wilcher said. “I think he’s already made an impact, cause all the kids are gonna gravitate towards him. I won’t be surprised if some kids you thought may go to Michigan or Ohio State might end up going to Michigan State.”
I'm calmer than you..
Woop de doo Basil, good luck to him, not exactly Michigan material anyhow. Nothing to see here.
Seems like a decent pick up for MSU. Rivals shows him with offers from Alabama, Notre Dame, and Wisconsin.
Alabama and Wisconin have both already taken commitments at QB for 2015 and ND has backed off.
we didn't offer him makes me unconcerned here.
RCMB is funny, a few of the guys on there now say "they're going to own Detroit". Good luck with that.
But here's my thought on that: we've basically owned Detroit for the last four years, but who do we have starting from Detroit? Thomas Gordon is one. Cam Gordon kinda (if we count Inkster), though even he's only starting because of injury, Raymon Taylor, though it sounds like be might not be starting, maybe DG too. That's not exactly crazy.
The worst case scenario: They will be happy with Campell at QB, and we will have plenty of good options too. Unless he wins a heisman and Speight/Morris/15' QB all are terrible, this is probably not a blow to Michigan. So, good for MSU. Now let's hope Campell goes the way of DatBull.
Good get for the Spartans.
Sam Webb discusses Campbell, Weber (SP?) and Blackwell on yesterday's podcast.
Does Brian Cole play for Max Ex? Is there some rumbling that there may only be one WR spot in that class currently (filled by George The Mayor Campbell)? Congrats to Jayru.
It sounds like Brian Cole is a pretty heavy Sparty lean as well, and that will be the tougher one to take, since he's an actual elite player. Let's see how Sparty does on the field the next few years and see if these top players stick around.
I hadn't heard he's a pretty heavy MSU lean, but yeah, things are trending their way. I read that UM may be changing their recruiting strategy with him I regards to recruiting him just as a WR.
Wolvin is right. Cole is an MSU lean presently. As more than a few folks have pointed out though, it's a long way to February of 2015...
No surprise here.
We get who we want when we want... most of the time. If we want Jayru in a year, we will get Jayru in a year.
Seems to me like he's going to be the 2015 version of Deshone Kizer.
I say Chance Stewart
My guess is that Michigan will get a better QB than Campbell in the class of 2015. I'm not really concerned about this one.
...they're going to take over the state.
A lot of people saying we will get him when/if we want him... I'm not so sure
But most people are saying we don't want him, which is evidences by the coaches' actions. So I wouldn't worry about it.
I don't get all the hype from Staee fans over Campbell. Shouldn't he be getting the same level of excitement as any other MSU commit since "stars" don't matter to them?
he wanted Michigan to be the school. Good get for sparty...