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Jashon Cornell names MSU leader
continues into this week.../s
He's probably looking for a competent coaching staff.
Am I the only one that remembers that MSU was 7-6 two years ago?
My question --
If Jashon Cornell naming MSU his leader today means that life is horrible, we'll never win another game, and MSU has permanently surpassed us, does Chris Clark naming Michigan his leader today mean that life is wonderful, we'll never lose another game, and we've permanently surpassed OSU?
Yes but I also remember how they had back-to-back 11 win seasons prior to that one and then a 13 win season with a Rose Bowl win - something Michigan hasn't done since 1997.
We need to stop pretending like MSU's football program isn't in way better shape right now than ours
In char color to tie his dorm room together
I give up on sports. Seriously, wake me in September.
see what you did there? you said wake me up in *september*. you know, for football season? you HAVEN'T GIVEN UP! you still believe! 93Grad, we'll see you in the fall for some FOOTBALL!!!!
didnt need to go to class while at a party.
Wait until his mother finds out.
That'll make me even happier when our mature o-line he'll face by the time he's there will show him how football is played at the collegiate level.
Whatever you're smoking
but when the NCAA suspends you for a year you'll be singing a different tune.
The State thing is a bit of a surprise, but if anyone should be really bummed about this, it should be Notre Dame. We, on the other hand, are sitting pretty with Darian Roseboro and Keiean Lucier-South, who happens to be ranked a spot ahead of Cornell on the 247 Composite WDE rankings.
I needed that. God bless you maize and blue heart.
I will eat a plate full of hot dogs if we land either of those two. KLS is UCLA bound.
Which is why I said hot dogs. Eating a plate full of burgers wouldn't be that bad.
But seriously...I wouldn't really say we're sitting pretty or whatever with either KLS or Roseboro. Roseboro is probably headed to the ACC or SEC and while it would seem Michigan is #2 for KLS, I'd be really surprised if he didn't pick UCLA.
thats the joke . jpg
If by "sitting pretty" you mean we're among 25 schools vying for his attention, I guess so.
If you mean that UM is in some sort of advantageous position relative to other schools, you're going to have to back that up. Otherwise it's just whistling past the graveyard.
And for Roseboro, I haven't seen Michigan mentioned as part of his leaders, let alone in some sort of "sitting pretty" territory. All three crystal ball predictions on 247 have him slated to NC state FWIW.
Sam Webb just said this morning that the Roseboro family had a fantastic visit to campus, loved it more than they ever thought they would, and Sam says that in his opinion Michigan is "in the pole position" for Darian.
Darian is apparently going to be an early enrollee, and the decision is likely to be a summer decision.
Sam also confirmed the speculation I was reading over at Scout, that the UM coaches look at Cornell as a DT, and are concentrating their efforts on getting DEs.
yeah, well....Sam Webb also still believes the Wolverines lead for Malik McDowell
We've been the early favorite only to be a bridesmaid on signing day. We'll see then.
That's like Kate Upton naming me the favorite. Sorry Verlander.
Don't invoke the name of Upton. You'll get a disertation on how she's the Sloth's Cousin.
Looks like this may be the start of us losing more blue chips to msu.
Seriously though... leader now means absolutely dick. What happens if MSU tanks this year/we go 11-1 or he goes south and meets the bag men. Its fucking April
"What happens if we go 11-1?"
He's got high hopes. He's got high hopes. He's got high, apple pie, in the sky hopes.
He announced he is making his decision in late August so nothing on the field this fall will matter in his decision.
Yah because recruits never change their minds from that point to signing day, right?
I didnt say his mind wouldnt change this summer doofus. I said "nothing on the field will change his mind" between now and August. I know reading comprehension is a 300 level course in South Bend but child please. Whoever changes his mind has to make a case without any new football game results.
Might want to take a breather on this one.
Thanks for the insult. But lets recap what you said as it related to my lack of reading comprehension.
He announced he is making his decision in late August so nothing on the field this fall will matter in his decision.
Quoted text verbatim. His decision is late August. But nothing on the field this fall will matter in his decision. While true, I find it hard to believe that UM going 13-0 won't sway his opinion if he chooses someone else in late August? And you did NOT say "nothing on the field will will change his mind between now and August. What you DID say was "nothing on the field this fall will matter in his decision". Perhaps you should attend some sort of remedial reading comprehension course your self? I hear the "General Studies" program at UM is phenomenal.
Unless late August happens to fall right around August 30th. Though we'd never in a million years lose to App State, so we got nothing to worry about!
Help us out here KLS and D. Roseboro
This is probably an inside joke that I don't understand, but, just to clarify, one doesn't exercise demons, one exorcises them.
I d/l that didn't create it.
Heh. Meme grammar police.
the Cornell University Big Red hasn't recruited him. Seems to me to be a no-brainer.
Seriously, though, even though he supposedly just named MSU his favorite, this one is far from over. Michigan probably won't get him, but a total of 6 schools are listed as "warm" on the 247 list, including Ole Miss. "Bag Man" might eventually clinch it for them.
Lots of mopey folks salivating over anything that could possibly be bad news.
What else would you expect from some of our "fans" on this site?
For years I really disliked many of the negative ones.
Then -48 happened. Followed by running the ball two times in the row in the 4th quarter against Nebraska. And then the restuarant bowl happened where the players pretty much admitted they didn't give a damn.
Last year broke my spirit and I fear anything Football now. Only the team can erase my fears.
Dude, you're 17. You're not allowed to be that negative.
Close. 19 in July!
No offense but you're a pussy.
I know. I have been my whole life.
I just feel like this now-
Surely he has better options than staee. It is early. As long as we recruit someone good I am happy, and we seem to be doing well with several WDEs.
Long long way till NSD. Can't get to up or down at this point
"Wow if Dantonio can turn 2 star players into all-americans, imagine what he can do with a 4-star"
-every Spartan fan who calls in to 97.1.
Dantonio is such an overrated coach, it's not even funny. I'll give him the development of Dennard (who I think will be a great NFL Corner), but even then, their "great defense" with 2-3* gets away with so much crap during games.
They lost a 4 year starter and their heart and QB on defense and the backup who was a walkon came in and was named Rose Bowl MVP. Comon, give him credit.
To be fair, that former walk-on was a fifth-year senior and had played in every game for three years. It isn't like he grabbed some dude off the street.
If Dantonio gets credit for being an amazing coach based on the success of Ellsworth, what does that make Hoke for the success of Kovacs?
That might be taking it a little far.
So what does that say about our coaching staff then?
I know in response I'll just get called a clost sparty because that's how the world of tough internet guys works but the idea that the only reason they are a force on defense is because they cheat is beyond ridiculous. Coaches areamongst the most competitive people in the world. If MSU's schemes and defenders weren't elite and it was just clutching and grabbing every other school would be doing this. It's like the people that try to say Beilein and company aren't elite and we just jack 3s, Give credit to coaches who are elite at what they do. It's embarrassing to try to make excuses instead of tipping your hat.
The denial is strong with this one (and the 4 who agreed with him). He has done the EXACT same thing Beilein has done for UM basketball - taken a program out of the sewer, with mostly non 5 stars, built a system, has assistants who build players up in excess of their starz, and built an air of confidence in a program that was lost.
In fact you sound like the MSU peeps who say "Beilein is so overrated - all he does is have his dudes chuck up 3s all day - they play a gadget offense and anytime they miss 3s they are so beatable... and they get away with so much crap during a game, how come we get so many foul calls and they don't get any. Oh yeah Delaney!"
I also love the people who call out the 7-6 season where they had a tire fire offense outside of a RB and an elite defense. Their last 4 years are 11-2, 11-3, 7-6, 13-1. Can you pick out the outlier? Versus 7-6, 11-2, 8-5, 7-6. There are people who would worship at the feet of Hoke for 20 years if he had a 4 year stretch like that now.
So our three shit seasons were not an outlier, but their 3 11+ win seasons were. Ok makes sense. Get used to it - MSU is going nowhere and has raised the bar big time. Just as Beilein has in bball. MSU bball fans and UM football fans waiting for their opponents to "fall apart" are going to be waiting a long time i.e. the time when each coach retires. MSU will be favored in every game this year save @Oregon and is a likely double digit win team yet again. But yeah wait until next year - that's the year it all falls apart.
Proceed to downvote and wake me up when someone who is not part of the UM fanbase actually believes UM can go into Sparty stadium with more than a druken puncher's chance to win in any year. Hopefully it is 2016 but we have a lot of way to go - MSU was the best team we played last year and it wasn't close.
May not end up at MSU,
He'd be an idiot to go there.
im sure this kid is talented and hell have a solid career but theres no way he shouldve been listed at #1 in the nation, at any time or by any service. he does not jump out at you the way #1 prospects should. so wouldnt be the biggest loss ever. but still um needs help at DE desparately. and this kid is pretty talented and from the midwest so in that sense itd be a big loss. but hopefully the coaches reel in 1-2 elite pass rushers or better yet, develop some of their current players into pass rushers
to commit to U of M, why do you say "...but still um needs help at DE desparately. and this kid is pretty talented and from the midwest so in that sense itd be a big loss." ??
Truth be told, he's from St. Paul, Minnesota. I think he's a much bigger "loss" for that UM than for our U of M. He literally is just across town from the Gophers, yet is showing no love at all for the hometown team, a school that desperately could use an infusion of that level of talent.
Michigan will go after someone else if, as seems likely, Cornell doesn't commit to the Wolverines. Minnesota, OTOH, doesn't get many chances to land top talent.
It's not even across town. He's within a reasonable bike ride to the Gopher's stadium.
I wish Kill could get a few players like Cornell. It would be great to see what he could do with top end talent.
Also, Michigan doesn't have a deep pipeline into his high school. It is more of a connection to ND.
Let's just hope he doesn't become another Lawrence Thomas. Then we'd really be screwed.
There is something to this. Sometimes the coaches that are known for developing less heralded recruits do not have the same level of success with the blue chip guys. If you are looking for a school that has maximized the potential of blue chip recruits, MSU would not be atop the list, even for a defensive player. As someone said, they have not done much in the NFL.
Something is up with that MSU program. Not a single defensive player from these vaunted defenses is making an impact in the pros. Even Stevie brown, mike Martin and Ryan Mundy are doing something in the pros. That doesn't make sense honestly. Either it is an unbelievable system that is difficult to beat no matter how good you are or their get really strong, really fast and then some how in the nfl just aren't the same kind of strong or fast or athletic.
They've had some great defenses but you would believe those would translate into professional level players. I'm really curious to see what Dennard and bullogh become. Worthy? Jones? Gholston? Wharf happened to these guys?
But I remember the Mandarich era.
STEROIDS. say hello, bullogh suspension
Says every Sparty fan on 97.1
Apparently, he was at a party, peed off a deck and "broke team rules".
Now, if you believe that I've got some ski masks I could sell you.
To continue this obsession with State. Recent draft picks performance:
- Jerel Worthy played 2 games for Green Bay in 2013 and recorded 1 tackle.
- William Gholston played 12 games for Tampa Bay in 2013 and recorded 14 tackles and 2 sacks.
- Greg Jones didn't play in 2013 (injury?) and signed with the Toronto Argonauts for the 2014 seaons.
- Johnny Adams played 4 games for Oakland with no stats recorded in 2013.
- Trenton Robinson played 11 games for the Redskins and recorded 10 tackles.
So second year player with no meaningful impact, rookie with an Okay season on a bad team, bust, undrafted UFA didn't contribute much -- shocker, another undrafted UFA with a hit or miss career -- shocker.
Logical conclusion is of course steroids.
It's time we just realize that they are for real on the field and the recruiting trail. They have put out some really good teams and players under Dantonio and recruits are noticing. We need to step our s*** up on the field and put them back in our rear view. They are an exit ahead of us at the moment. .....
Eventually coaches who have the "I hate me and everyone around me" look on their face have a schematic advantage...
MSU has really capitalized on the past lull in our program. However, that also makes for more intense games, not ones where M is heavily heavily favored. While I would like to see them smacked down with great regularity, it also hints at the overall increasing level of competition in the B1G. Its not the Big 2 and Little 8 anymore...
Unfortunately the "increased level of competition" isn't exactly due to everyone raising their level to U of M. It's because we have lowered our level to them.
...or do you mean "evidently"?
Unless Hoke can pull off some serious magic this year on the field. Poor player development will do that to a program
Stop it with the player development argument. Hoke hasn't even been here long enough for that to apply.
If this is the "new normal" then it's time to bring in Les Miles or the equivalent.
every time a prospect that showed any interest in Michigan names another school leader, immediately after a visit?
He was at the UTL2 last year and for whatever reason he is preferring MSU over Michigan....just like McDowell and Gholston before him. MSU is no longer a doormat in regards to recruiting and Jashon is not just another guy. He is the type of athlete we need to start living up to the Michigan standard that we've fallen far from. So yeah....it's a big deal.
"for whatever reason"
Did you watch last year's 2 teams and compare?
McDowell the same went hot and heavy to MSU in November per his camp. What happened in November? Oh yeah MSU was accelerating to a BTCG, beat OSU, and won a Rose Bowl. Their defense was putting the icing on a dominant 4 year stretch where they finished top 10 every year and they were showcasing a 1st round corner, and a 2015 1st round DE in Calhoun. The same position McDowell (and Cornell) play.
Meanwhile, UM was playing patty cakes with PSU, NW, Indiana before waking up for 1 game vs our arch rival, finishing 8th in a shit conference behind a team (PSU) on sanctions with scholarship reductions... and on its way to getting bitch slapped by Snyder. ... with almost no defensive line pressure. Peppers soon was rumored to be looking around, at which time, our AD had to write a public blog post saying "dude, no one moved our cheese!"
Funny, Hand drifted away from us at the same time. And Campbell and Harris decommitted shortly after.
I mean, what could be the common thread for these? Oh yes - watching the football teams on the field. "For whatever reason" is very obvious for those who keep their head above dirt level.
Jashon is a great player but his affinity to MSU represents a swing in recruiting for MSU that is starting to directly hurt our program. He hasn't signed with MSU and it's early but there is a trend starting to surface.
With our record v. State and our lack of coaching "up" players recently and our overall W-L's it should come as no surprise that MSU is having some success in recruiting. Ebb n flow baby!
Momentum.......where are't thou
To this young man
Good things? Nope, we can't have them.
Naming a school the leader is like a coach getting a vote of confidence.
Just more evidence that we are now in the backseat in this rivalry. Time for Hoke to really earn his salary and beat MSU.
I REALLY need to know this...and hope someone can share any knowledge.. Because while I continue to see everything go wrong year after year, I need to know about WHY carr rebuffed harbaugh....ive heard it was due to insecurity, and if so, makes me even more pissed....but i wonder if it was Bo who blocked it, maybe thinkng jim wasnt ready yet for qb coach....because i truly believe wed be strong right now had harbaugh came....yah, hed have maybe gone to pros by now, but surely hed have a great successor on staff unlike carr.
Rather it was lack of roster size and total inexperience on the offensive side of the ball. It would have took a Herculean effort in '08 to continue the bowl tradition with the combination of things that occured. All those with 5th year eligibility took off, and even had they stayed we would have still been using an OL consisting of those that couldn't crack the starting lineup in their previous four seasons. Either way, with one returning starter or 5th year, less-than-stellar players, our team, even using a pro style offense, would have been hard pressed to be a legitimate force. And the defense, although returning many starters, was basically depleted as to numbers. I still do not understand how he could have left the roster with what consisted of basically minus one full class. When you normally have 44-45 defensive players, there is no justifiable answer for having half that number and is the primary reason our defense took a swan dive. Hell, when you have a converted h.s. RB playing matador at the MIKE and continuing to plug holes at a perpinduclar, rather that parallel angle, bad things will happen.
Coaches become great when they have great players. Even with the mass exodus in Bo's first season, that unit turned out more future AAs than any other five year group in Michigan history. Hell, he had a future NFL Hall of fame OL right side; McKenzie, Deirdorf and Mandich, and that's a damn good place to start. Hell the season he lost his starters on the OL and his qb suffered a broken arm, he ended 6-6.
This year Brady will have a semblance of experience, at least enough to show drastic improvement. Look what he was able to do with RR's players, and almost all M fans were disappointed with his recruits, even though when compared to Carr's last full class, the Rivals composite difference was less than a full percentage point. And RR had to recruit just to get enough players on defense to have a legit scrimmage. I agree with the OP that stated "this is the year BH" will have to earn his money.
State's recipe is not exactly new or even complex. They attack constantly, putting the pressure on the offense not to make a mistake. They create mismatches where our young or inexperienced rbs are unable to execute properly against a stronger DE or LBer. This normally results in their dbs not having to cover as long or even that well because the qb is normally under duress. They've simply been outcoaching us, and this is from a guy who didn't have that great of record prior to moving to E.L. Hoke got rid of one of the "apparent reasons," but I also am not certain Funk is doing that great of job either. Frey had much greater success with an OL equally as young and far less touted than the one we fielded last season.
Yes. We're now in the back seat in the rivalry because one random DE announced MSU as his leader 4 months before the season starts.
Or I'd up vote this with enthusiasm.
This is just urine icing
Is 2013 all over again.
Can't stomach Mark Dantonio for a second but this kid can do worse...The grench (Dantonio) is the best coach in the B1G and one of the top 10 nationally in my opinion.
This opinion is a dumb one.
The best coach in this conference and the top ONE nationally is Tim Beckman.
You personally asked Tim Beckman that question and that was the answer he gave you. Amirite?
The man dips with impunity. I can respect that.
Needed a good laugh.
You can tell things are not going well, when I realized I have checked in to the blog in over a week....
Michigan fandom is apparently about never giving your own teams credit. Mitch McGary left? We'll be lucky to make the NIT even though we have some of the best guards in the big ten. The football team? They'll lose every game by 50 even though we haven't seen them play a game yet.
Signing day is forever away! Let's just wait and see what happens this season first. Just because he made MSU his leader, dosent mean shit!
This is what is has come down to. Staee has taken over the rivalry. I never thought I would see this happen.
You intended an /s?
Until Dantonio starts selling MSU t-shirts in AA I will not consider the tide of the rivalry changed.
that Cornell is getting pretty big, and might be looked at as more of a future interior DL than a pass-rushing DE by Michigan's staff, and we're already pretty stocked on inside guys. If there's anything to that, it might explain why Cornell is looking more seriously elsewhere.
East Lansing is by far the worst place I have ever lived. I can't believe anyone would willingly choose to live there.
As someone who grew up in EL but went to Michigan I disagree on the "living there" part. We had a ball growing up and always felt safe. My best friends are still from ELHS even though half of them went to the local school for college.
Some people love it in EL. I was not one of those people. The pure lack of anything resembling a city was a major downfall IMO. If I had to move back to Michigan for some reason I would only live in GR or AA/Detroit Metro. To me there are really no other "great" places. EL is smack dab in the middle of nothing.
Surely you can understand that people differ in what they look for in a place to stay. For instance, having been to Detroit several times for conferences, you couldn't pay me to live there. Personally I like visiting cities but would never raise my family in one, though I wouldn't consider someone else to be crazy for choosing differently. People have different tastes...it's as simple as that.
Is this the kid with the top-10 list that keeps changing?
Honestly, I'll care about this when the season actually starts. Kids are fickle.
I'm not sure what you want us to admit about Mark Dantonio. He's a good coach and a douche bag who'll never be more than that unless he cures cancer. Do you want us to say he's God and a saint?
I mean he's a good football coach -- I don't need someone particularly nice, funny, or affable.
MSU taking over the football rivalry, meanwhile we're taking over the basketball one.
Yep, Bizarro World has officially been entered.
The stronger the Big Ten gets as a whole, the more respect the conference gets. Maybe it will help UM recruiting as well.
Good for them if they get him, but with a 5-star recruit, and considering MSU won't go any more extra lengths to land one than Michigan will, I wouldn't count an April lead for much.
I don't follow all the recruiting articles like some on here do, but wasn't this guy basically an ND lock before this weekend? He was always a long shot to come here, would rather keep him away from Sparty, but he was going to go to ND not UM.
"Lock" is too strong a word for what he was to Notre Dame. They've had success at his high school, but he has always maintained that he wanted to look everywhere.
We need recruits who look beyond the football field and can tell the difference between a great university like the University of Michigan and other schools. If they cannot be convinced over the course of a recruiting visit that what Michigan offers is what they want, then they are probably not going to be a good fit for our program. I like what Hoke brings in terms of character and appreciation of Michigan's values. To an ever increasing extent, I find the negativity of this board so difficult to fathom (and unacceptable) that it is hardly worth reading the comments, with the exception of a few commenters like Magnus and Space Coyote who actually do impart information. I would rather have Hoke with his human qualities than Dantonio with his 60 minutes of unnecessary roughness regardless of the outcomes.