Deveon Smith is so underrated its ridiculous. The kid runs people over. He may not have that break away speed but I'll take him anyday.
Jaron Dukes and Deveon Smith Get 3 Stars from Rivals
He is a great addition to the team. Rivals isn't discounting that but merely stating they do not think he has elite potential as an NFL prospect. Remember Rivals does their rankings based on NFL potential and, although he might be able to truck kids at the high school level, maybe Rivals does not think that his size is valuable enough to overcome his lack of speed in the NFL. Speed has been becoming more of a commodity these days.
Also, he still has his entire SR year. As someone mentioned below, there is plenty of opportunity to rise just like Pipkens did (I don't think he is a 5 star talent though). Several Ohio recruiting guys are very high on him. He could be a valuable asset at RB for years but not be much of a contributor in the NFL, which is what Rivals attempts to measure. Plenty of kids have careers like that.
NFL potential is only one component of Rivals' ranking. It is a college recruiting service after all. I do agree that people are getting too worked up about rankings when there are 11 months til signing day.
So I wouldn't go so far to say it's ridiculous!
We have a few guys that, it seems, one or two sites love, but one or another just aren't that high on, which should make for an interesting senior season. I am guessing Michigan will have more guys be universal four stars, than universal three stars .. by signing day, and the fun for us, bein' our class will be basically full before the season starts, is watching the rise and fall - though I expect more to rise - of our recruits in said ratings. I read what scout.com has to say about Patrick Kugler, by the way, and it makes me think that 247Sports just doesn't get it or see it ---- yet, though I think they will. Scout.com isn't as high as the other two on guys like Taco Charlton, Jourdon Lewis, and David Dawson, just like Rivals and 247 aren't as high on guys like DeVeon Smith and Gareon Conley ... maybe they don't like kids with "EON" in their first name, I don't know, though I suspect these rankings to be more the same by signing day, one way or another. Signing Day for 2012 was last month, we have 16 commits now, and can easily be at 20 by the end of spring practice, no later than the end of summer/beginning of the season, that's ridiculous. I bet we have more that'll rise.
I'm not sure how Smith is only 3 stars. He already has the size of a D1 back and runs with some pissed off authority. His speed isn't bad either.
He's kinda slow.
Dont worry he still has his Sr year to show off his talents let us not forget how low Ondre Pipkins was rated then he became 5 star ...
hahaha deveon smith (-_-)
He is a scout 4 star anyway.
I know you can't judge someone just from his highlight tapes, but after watching all them, I don't know how this kid can be anything less than a 4 star.
Plus the way Dukes blew up OSUs prize recruit, how is he not getting any love?
When Jaron's team played Burrows team, he lit them up for 170 yards and 2 TD's. He's tall with excellent hands -- kinda reminds me of Hemingway ...
Except he's like 4" taller than Junior is.
He had 170 yards and 2 TD's on Cam Burrows this pass year in a game
Dukes is a good player, but really he didn't light any defensive player up in that game. I was there and Trotwood sent at least 8 guys into the box the entire game. Burrows was crashing on the run 90% of the time. Dukes was able to sit in the holes of the zone matched up against Bam Bradley (safety) for the majority of his catches. He was too tall for Bam to handle on jump balls, but the Trotwood coaches were obviously not worried about losing in the passing game. Duke's QB is not a world beater and missed on a ton of throws. Hence the reason while Trotwood still won even with Dukes going off.
This is also why Burrows is still considered a 4-5 star player on all of the services and Dukes is a consensus 3 star. He's a good player, but he doesn't light up any competent secondary. He doesn't have the speed or agility to be a real game breaker. Great red zone target or possession receiver.
My reaction to Deveons Smith's ranking:
It's obvious that Mike Farrell is just trying to screw with Michigan fans.
I don't know if they have an anti-Michigan bias, but I do think that Rivals and Scout dig in their heels big time over recruits for whom there is an early rankings discrepancy (e.g., Deveon). It's like they decide, "oh, Deveon Smith, he's Scout's boy." Each service has to create the impression that they're original and aren't following the other's step.
You are exactly right. Also if a player attends one of the combines hosted/attended by a recruiting service they tend to show him more love. ESPN has the sparq combines, and I have seen Ferrell promoting rivals combines on twitter. I think if a player attends then they become "their guy." They also base a lot of their initial rankings before the senior season on these combine results.
I'm okay with these guys getting high 3-star initial ratings. The difference between a high 3-star and a low 4-star on these sites isn't earth-shattering, the 5-star system is merely an arbitrary way to grade recruits. Not everyone Michigan recruits that has a nice highlight tape will be a 4 or 5-star, and not every impact player on Michigan is a 4 or 5-star. We've taken skilled players across the board (5-stars or 3-stars), and with the depth that we should have in the coming years, the top guys will rise to the top and Michigan will be Michigan again, period.
Gareon Conley's position hasn't been ranked yet, that's why he's still unranked on Rivals. Also, ESPN's Jared Shanker interviewed him.
Hopefully this isn't a Wormley situation where rivals chooses to give a monster talent who could step on a college field today a 3 star, but it very well could be
I watch smith I can't help but think of another similar rb coming out of high school named Kevin Grady. Physically dominating inferior athletes, but how will it translate? I think the wait and see ranking from rivals is prudent.
Is Rivals waiting to see whether Deveon develops a drinking problem? That seems kinda weird.
Kevin didn't show a whole lot of shake and between the tackles skill in his highlight. Just straight trucked kids with his size. I think Smith shows a lot more vision/shake/understanding of what he's doing. I still don't think that necessarily means definite 4 star skills, but he's hard not to like. Reminds me of a bigger Iowa back.
If you look at his videos and the comments by the recruiting analysts, Smith has (1) a great initial burst through a hole and (2) good lateral movement to avoid tackles. True, like Grady he doesn't have top-end sprinter speed; on the other hand, he has faced decent competition and averaged over 10 yards per carry as a junior.
Kevin Grady absolutely had sprinter speed, at least before his knee injury. I ran track against him in high school, and although he wasn't Denard fast, he was about as fast as any high school RB at 220 lb., which is likely why he was a five star back.
How many stars did THE PARTY ROOM give them?
Poggi is committing today, per TPR
Haven't seen that. And sorry but im not sure what TPR is?
Just read ur link, wow glad I missed that fun last night on the board!
DON'T feed the trolls!
Are you crazy? If you say his name three times, he appears (fresh off a conversation with the coaches in which they told him Jesus McAwesomebacker just committed to Michigan)
Mike Hart was a 3* that ran people over all day long. So whatevs.
Mike Hart was a 3-star who was in essence "trying to tackle water" in high school. Hes an entirely different RB
Both of those guys are relatively close to getting 4-star rankings when you look at their position rankings. Smith is the #32 RB and they have 26 RBs with 4 stars. Dukes is the #43 WR and they have like 35 WRs with 4 stars. Especially since Rivals usually increases the number of 4-stars over the course of the year, both of these guys could be in 4-star territory before it's all said and done.
Also, I feel like a RB with early offers from both M and OSU should get 4-stars on that alone. Especially in a year like this when both schools are so hot on the recruiting trail.
EDIT: Offers are a good way to determine which site's ranking to trust. Look at the last few 4-stars on Rivals' RB list and who has offered them. The last 4-star has one offer, from Arizona, and he's a SoCal kid from a school that pumps out talent. Another crazy one is the #21 RB, Alvin Kamara, barely a 4-star and not a Rivals 250 member, has offers from Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia and USC (Southern Cal), among others. He should probably be higher than he is.
The other thing worth mentioning is that both the M and OSU offers were obviously commitable.
I have been thinking about this for a while, but if we could ever get to a place in recruiting where we had 100% accurate data on who had what offers, it would be possible to put together some kind of ranking system that is based solely on the quality of offers.
Coaches are the best possible evaluators of talent, and that makes offers a better inidication of talent than the opinion of some guru for scout, rivals, etc.
You would have to find a way to quantify the "quality" of each offer. But it is something that I am sure someone on here *cough* Mathlete *cough* could probably pull off in a weekend.
Just an idea I had.
Heisenberg's Recruiting Uncertainty Principle states that the more precisely we can evaluate a player's talent, the more FAKES added to the 40 time.
Wouldn't that place Shane Morris down pretty low,? There is a strong correlation between offers and mutual interest. I don't know how you would factor that in.
Yeah, I think this is the biggest problem. There are other issues, too, like the fact that equally good recruits in two different areas won't get equally good offers. For example, a good recruit in Florida might have offers from UF, FSU, Miami, Alabama, Auburn, LSU, etc., while an equally good recruit in Colorado could have a really modest list.
I don't see the problem here, since even though the recruits would appear to the untrained eye to be equally good, the one from SEC country would actually be better. The bonus points for living in the south are already factored into the current system. You really can't have an accurate ranking system without this.
The ratings seem about right. Let's hope the recruits don't feel that way and it adds fuel to the fire. And that in turn pushes them to exceed said ratings.
I'm really glad that the 3 star mafia has gone into hiding with hiring of Hoke.
Yeah, now were stuck with the 4 star mafia.
MOAR 5 STAR RECRUITS!
I can't recall, how many stars did Denard get? He's rather talented
Here is the first part of his scout evaluation: "He plays quarterback in high school now and does a tremendous job of leading his team. He's a tremendous leader who flat out knows how to win. He has tremendous football instincts, regardless of what position he's playing." If only he was pointing in the picture.
Sounds like some serious bullshite to me
This thread is embarrassing.
i doubt they improve. wormley was a 3 star. everyone was outraged on here. he goes on to win the division 1 defensive player of the year award (the topof division in ohio) his senior year. his rivals reward for dominating everyone? stayed a 3 star
Hooray for small sample sizes!
does jaron dukes remind anyone else of randy moss? not saying hes what moss was coming outta high school, but similiar features/qualities
Tall and African American, so yeah, i can see the resemblance.
Not at all.
that we still haven't landed a 6 star recruit. Thisismichigan!
that CRAIG JAMES KILLED 5 HOOKERS WHILE AT SMU, with the candlestick, in a party room?
The stars are important, but what's more important, and where the true measure of their skill lies, is in the coaching they receive. A 3-star can turn into a stud (Mike Hart, Justin Blackmon, Sam Bradford) with the proper coaching, just like how a 5-star can turn into a flop w/o it.
I'm confident that Borges will be able to coach these kids up, regardless of what their Rivals ranking is.
The stars are fun to gaze at, but not important at all. The coaches know what they want and need to build the team. Mattison has coached more elite talent than any college team has ever assembled. If he, Gorgeous or GoldPooper recruit a high schooler, I think we can all trust that they know more about both fit and potential than the recruiting services. Recruited by RR, coached by Mattison...anyone remember Jake Ryan?
are two of my favorites on the team. Ryan seemed to turn beastly overnight. Made a big splash in last year's spring game and was a huge contributor over the season. As Brian pointed out in the UFRs, he got schooled a few times on the edge, but I'm excited that he's only a RS sophomore.
Mattison, Gorgeous and Goldpooper? Clearly Mattison needs a nickname. Get that started folks.
Hasn't Hoke, Mattison and the entire crew said repeatedly that they don't really care much about stars; and that it's the character and talent that they see that is important? 3 stars now, National Champions tomorrow. Whatever. I trust the coaches.
I just do not know how I feel about Smith. I know he is an absolute bull but in order to have a successful and nationally competitive offense we need a FAST and STRONG runningback. I know that Mike Hart was not the fastest player and he excelled but we also did not win a National Championship and that is the ultimate goal isnt it? I know this is somewhat of a far fetched comparison but I really think the focus should be speed and size if we are going to compete with the SEC on a national level. Isaac meets that criteria, which we may still get him but I am just not sold on Smith. It is a plus he is a Michigan Man but that does not translate to wins. Go Blue! EDIT: Smith is not as slow as I first thought and I embrace his committment but I guess I am just disappointed we have to choose between Isaac and Green. I trust our coaches opinion/evaluation over my own though. Either way I think he is a great addition and I love his running style and ability to break arm tackles and keep his legs moving through the tackles. If he can gain some speed he has the potential to be another great Michigan RB.
is a solid back. I'm still pulling for Ty also, but we should be fine regardless. Mark Ingram was only a 3 star if I recall correctly. It's all about the right back in the right system.