further adventures in Jed York being unsuited for his position
Jamarco Jones Decision Date Set
Hopefully we can get Bars to make up for it. I haven't watched film on Jones, but he appears to be a good recruit.
Too bad for OSU is they're going to have so many blown assignments on the line when they figure out they have two Joneses though. Suckers.
Am curious how he "appears" to be a good recruit to you yet you havent seen video of him.
Offer list and of course 4 starzz. Offers include Arizona, Arkansas, Cal, Florida, Florida State, Michigan, MSU, Mississippi State, Ole Miss, Nebraska, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Tennessee, and Wisconsin, with several others. I'll agree he seems like a good recruit and I haven't seen any video either.
Being a top-50 national recruit might give one that impression.
A lot of talent has come out of Illinois lately, imagine if Illinois or Northwestern could capitalise
Seriously. More of it has gone to Ole Miss than to U of I.
I never understood why some schools don't spend a little extra money on coaching, What's a couple extra million to the millions that could be made by just winning
That's always been the problem at Michigan, actually. This is the first set of assistants we've paid top dollar for in Ann Arbor.
That might be true, but has this really been a "problem," as you put it? The assistants that have come out of here have gone on to have great coaching careers. Schools like Michigan are usually where assistants are developed, not bought.
Not to be the turd in the punch bowl, but which assistants have gone on to great coaching careers out of Michigan in the last 10-20 years? Montgomery to Oklahoma was the only one I can think of lately that moved up. Going back to Carr, Hoke has pretty much been the only one to amount to anything, right? Wasn't one of the big criticisms of Lloyd that he never had much of a coaching tree?
Ron English. Vance Bedford is the DC at Louisville now. Loefeller is Auburn's OC now I believe.
Loeffler's at Virginia Tech now.
I'm not sure how this stacks up to other schools, but I think this list that comes off the top of my head is nice: Les Miles, Greg Mattison, Bill Sheridan, Brady Hoke, Ron English, and even Fred Jackson.
Miles and Mattison are definitely the best, but you have to go back almost 20 years for their time as assistants at Michigan which I wouldn't consider recent enough to fit in the whole developing coaches thing. Same with Vance Bedford.
Ron English I wouldn't really count as a success since he went Michigan DC -> Louisville DC -> Eastern head coach. That's a downward path in my opinion. Fred Jackson has been running backs coach for a 147 years. Not a lot of developing their either (except in outlandish superlatives -- he's still the best at that).
Scott Loeffler is good example. And Sheridan and Hoke I'll give you too. But both were Michigan assistants 10-15 years ago. And going back to the main point of paying assistant coaches, since salaries have exploded in the last 10-15 years in college football, Michigan hasn't really "developed" anyone outside of Loeffler maybe Montgomery and he was only here for two seasons and its too soon to know if he's a success story or not.
First of all, with the exception of Miles, your math is pretty far off. Second of all, we're talking about recruiting. Historically, we've done just fine with the assistants we've had. We haven't had to pay "top dollar" for assistants to come in here in order to attract top talent.
You could count Lloyd too. That's less than 20 years ago.
in the Big Ten a few years ago. Being willing to pay doesn't guarantee getting top flight coaching.
Illinois has produced some high quality front seven players in the last few years (Mercilus, Liuget, etc.), so if I were a high schooler at one of those positions, I might consider U of I. But at most other positions, I would almost certainly go somewhere else.
Imagine what Illinois could do in basketball if they could at least do a passable job in recruiting the Chicago metro area.
it is very confusing, I wonder how Illinois fan base feels, I would be outraged
If Northwestern could finally do something to upgrade their facilities, they'd be perfectly positioned for Chicago-area talent.
But, as a Wildcat alum, I can confirm this will always be a problem until they get students to come to Welsh-Ryan and the basketball arena. Way too far off campus for that.
Welsh-Ryan is not that far off campus. Perhaps there's something I'm missing but from the southern most part of Northwestern's campus it's the same distance to Welsh-Ryan as it is from Michigan Stadium to the Hill Area (and Mary Markley residence hall). Sounds like lazy students to me.
Or Penn State if they could recruit Philly.
Somewhat different set of circumstances. There are several schools in Philadelphia with better basketball programs. St. John's in NYC and the University of Maryland are both closer than PSU and better choices for top recruits out of Philly. Georgetown too.
This is true. Plus, Philadelphians have no affinity for central/western Pennsylvania. They are far more culturally bound to the other east coast cities, like DC and New York. The thought of going out to the countryside in central PA is something of a nightmare for inner city Philly kids.
OSU recruits people who can block? I thought they just relied on their all-world speed to run around people. Are we sure this offer is comittable?
Depends on who he chooses.
Jamarco Jones - all conference name
This just means he has around 7 weeks to realize Michigan should be his leader.
If the consensus is right on only taking 3 OL, he might not have 7 weeks to decide
I was looking forward to seeing their 2014 O-line 2 deep consisting of 3 scholarship players and a lot of walk-ons. They still might get there with any attrition or flame-outs
Seems they may go the JUCO route to fill the holes in the OL.
This is exactly what people keep forgetting about when it comes to a position of any trouble for most schools. osu will just JUCO the shit out of his OL and it will be like having multi-year starters the entire time.
but if the JUCO players were so hot, wouldn't they have been picked up already/be heavily pursued by other schools too?
Doesn't necessarily mean "not good enough to get scholly", often it means "not smart enough/grades aren't good enough to get admitted" Nick Fairley comes to mind as does Cam Newton, but he was sitting a year out from D1 after transferring rather than the former reasons
But that's very much the exception. It's rare that top 250 type players go to JUCO, and of the ones that do, many of them don't make it out of JUCO.
Nick Fairley is a good example, but those guys are hard to find (and many times come with other problems). Cam Newton is not a good example, because he went the JUCO route just so he wouldn't have to sit out after transferring.
Getting a JUCO is fine if you want a stop gap, because you can get a 21 year old with playing experience instead of a true frosh, but it will likely not lead to an all-conference type player.
Those guys are good examples of JUCO gems, but they were also recruited, wanted, and signed LOIs on signing day, they didn't transfer in after spring practice due to need.
I don't think anyone is saying they can jump on the team whenever they want. It's the point of having experienced talent asap rather than a true frosh 18 year old kid with no playing experience or weight room time. Recruiting a quality JUCO is like getting a talented transfer with experience. It's an easy way for schools that take them (most) to shore up a position in one recruiting cycle rather than recruit, RS, develop/coach and hope.
Also, in Newton's case, his trip to JUCO was after some alleged criminal transgressions (if memory serves) at Florida, where he went after high school.
Kansas State under Snyder is the master of JUCO-ing up the lineup and they have found some success over the years, so it can be done. But recruiting JUCO when you normally build through HS recruiting may or may not work for a position of need in a given year like Urban's OL.
I have to feel like most times, the quality you're going to get out of the JUCO ranks just won't be up to par with big-time football. Now obviously sometimes that proves to be not true, and guys can turn out to be studs. My point is that if those kids were really so good, 99 times out of 100, they wouldn't be playing at a junior college level.
If Meyer JUCO's up his offensive line, he won't necessarily be getting quality linemen. He'll be getting bodies, which is fine by me. I'd very much look forward to watching our defensive line rip through them all day. But with guys like Charlton, Poggi, Pip and (hopefully) Hand under Mattison's tutelage, that might happen anyway.
All quality points but in the "good juco" pool you have to think most would have a strong interest to play right away at a major school by a big named and ex-sec coach who not only needs them ASAP but has used the route before. Then it's just my guess and point that their limited numbers/talent at OL can be cured at a place like osu right away with jucos.
If only we could be so lucky. I would pay a lot of money to see Braxton Miller get his ass drilled into the ground 6-7 times because his shitty offensive line couldn't protect him from Mattison's defense.
MSU is the obvious choice. That's where good offensive linemen go to be great. Just look at...umm...Flozell "The Hotel."
And lets not forget Tony "Have Another Horse Steroid" Mandarich....
Since this guy will be a buckeye, I no longer care.
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I think that's weird.
I know a few Illinois graduates. They don't give a damn about any of their sports. Mostly just resort to pro sports like da bulls and da bears.
For those that are paying attention, the dominoes are falling....
Doles to Northwestern, Jones to OSU, and Bars to Michigan.