awesome considering Jawan is still playing professionally, and Jalen has his thing with ESPN NBA basketball. Getting Webber, though, would be absolutely legendary.
well that's just, like, your opinion, man
awesome considering Jawan is still playing professionally, and Jalen has his thing with ESPN NBA basketball. Getting Webber, though, would be absolutely legendary.
3.0 all the way
80% is a B- or 2.7 all the way.
In some of the engineering classes I took, that's an A. Thankfully none of those were civil engineering. 80% correct on a bridge is bad news.
If you are going to get the crew together, get all 5...otherwise, it may cast a slight pale on the evening....by slight, I mean microscopic...nevermind
No one should have to beg someone to show up. If he comes, he better be wearing gear similar to Jalen! That head was classic in the video, and he was genuinely fired up and proud about Michigan basketball! Come that way, or don't come!
Tonight is about this year, and anyone from the past who wants to celebrate and cheer on this team would be welcome!
Huh. No threads on Rob Pelinka, Tim McCormick, or Gary Grant's attendance. Weird.
You can go ahead and make one. I am just reporting what Jalen Rose said. Also, while we love that all those guys will be there, none of them is as polarizing figure as Chris Webber. His possible attendance is a hugely significant event that will have huge reactions on all sides if it happens.
How does one unconsciously choose to do something?
and don't expect or need an apology from him. But I do think he needs to finally own what he did and admit that it was wrong. Until then, I have no desire to see him reassociated with Michigan.
"Not a Webber hater and don't expect or need an apology from him. "
"But I do think he needs to finally own what he did and admit that it was wrong."
You think those are contradictory statements? Admitting what you did was wrong is not the same as an apology. The University (Fisher, assitant coaches) was just as culpable for the Ed Martin scandel by allowing Martin to go unchecked for years and granting him special access to the team. Therefore I don't believe an apology of sorts is necessary... but Webber did lie to the University investigators and the grand jury, and has played the victim card ever since. He needs to own what he did and admit it was wrong... I believe that would go a long way to mending the relationship between Michigan and Webber.
Regretful being the key word in that definition... there's a difference between owning up to something and expressing regret or sorrow for that action. Like I said, he doesn't need to say he's sorry, but he does need to finally own his mistakes.
You're right, those are the kind of apologies people really love to hear...
Which is why it's not an apology... and why I said originally (due to the culpability of the University itself) an apology is unneeded. Glad we got that all worked out.
Stop. Just stop talking.
Ha. This reminds me of when I apologized to a girl for calling her a bitch by saying, "I'm sorry you were being a bitch."
Chris Webber: "I'm sorry people thought that I was wrong for taking money."
Then, all the Michigan fans can be united in loving him.
Fair enough... I would much rather be celebrating this current team then rehashing the past. I love Jalen, love the Fab Five and want nothing more than for every Michigan alum/fan to be celebrating a long overdue NC late into the night. Go blue!
Didn't he refuse to appear in the documentary "The Fab Five" too?
Yes he did, and i doubt if he will even show up tonight and he lives in Atlanta now.
If the blocker at work didn't get to youtube, I'd post "Apologize" by Timbaland.
Jalen should take the tweet Chris made to heart. "It's your time now!" with a picture of Trey Burke, GRIII and THJ.
You aren't the only one who has posted things like this so it isn't directed entirely at you, but have you guys who aremaking these comments about the fab five attending being a negative thing actually watched any of the tournament? Almost all the big schools have had their famous alumni attending the games (Syracuse especially). I don't think it is much (if any) of a distraction and in fact I think it is the opposite.
Look at football games as well. In the big games the former big time players often come out to support the teams. The idea that this would be a distraction or take something away from the current team is beyond laughable. I mean, they already reference the fab five every five minutes anyway.
Also, what about THS and GRII...is their presence a distraction or taking something away from the team, because you can bet every broadcast shows and speaks about them at least 20 times.
I just think this whole thing is ridiculous. The fab five are probably the most well known alumni from UM and if they want to attend a game to show some support for their university then let them do it. Trust me, the current players would have no issue with it, so why should we? If anything, I would think it would provide extra motivation knowing some alumni are in the house cheering you on.
Edit: I just want to be clear that I wasn't the one who negg'd you though, I just disagree with you, but don't think you were trolling necessarily.
It would create a media circus if Webber showed up.
Come next year during a game or something. Like Boston did with Bill Buckner. They didn't invite him back/he didn't show up for the World Series.
The only people said media circus would bother are people caught up in the Fab 5: good or evil? storyline. It won't have any impact on the game, unless you think THJ's going to be plaintively looking into the stands to see if CWebb came to see him play.
If he does come, though, we may not see any of the game, with the broadcast switching back and forth between reaction shots from Kevin Ware and CWebb.
If Webber shows up that will be what the media talks about. If he doesn't show up they'll talk about why he didn't. It'll be a story either way.
I think the difference is that if he shows up the story is over after tonight. If not it will continue to be something the media focuses on in subsequent years.
Personally, I think it would have been much better if he would have gone to, say, the Florida game. Then this wouldn't be a distraction now.
Almost all the big schools have had their famous alumni attending the games (Syracuse especially). I don't think it is much (if any) of a distraction and in fact I think it is the opposite
Why is everyone who makes this sort of statement ignoring the fact that Chris Webber was the focal point of NCAA Violations that led to vacated Final 4s, probation, and utterly embarrassed our university? Yes other teams have famous alumni attend their tournament games. How many of them were responsible for their schools sanctions?
Hell, why not furlough Rumeal Robinson and get him a courtside seat next to Vaught, Pelinka, and Rice? At least his crimes didn't lead to vacated wins.
it is only the select group of UM fans that still give a damn about that 20 years later. I mean honestly...do you think just because the fab five haven't attended a game that the announcers haven't mentioned them? I have watched all the games and believe me, they have been brought up. How many times do you think they mentioned the sanctions? The final four banners being taken down? All of the other crap you STILL hold against Webber after 20 YEARS?
See, most everyone else on the planet that once cared about the fact that Chris Webber took some money from a guy 20 years ago has moved past it, why can't you (and the others who continue to hold onto that). This isn't a murderer, a rapist or child abuser...it's a guy who made a mistake 20 years ago by taking something that was offered to him (and decided to lie to cover his tracks). Was what he did the right thing to do? No, but it also isn't something that people should be holding against him 20 years later either.
Perhaps you're taking the distraction caused by their presence too literally. The Fab Five change college basketball and until there is someone better I believe most college teams will be in their shadow. Now we could look at them being there as passing the torch but I feel Webber may believe that the Fab Five will take away from what THIS team is doing and it's their turn per his tweet.
That's a little too deep for my little brain.
Listen...I played sports at a pretty high level my whole life and when we had players of past teams come to cheer us on it was anything but a distraction. It instilled a motivation in us to live up to the expectation that they helped to build during their time with the team. Did it always work and propel us to a win...not always, but it never distracted us from the task at hand, nor did it take away from the attention we received as current players by shifting the limelight to those of past years.
Again, maybe this is just too deep for a lowly person like me to understand, but I can't see the issue.
I too played football at a high level, and I'd like to think I am being consistent with the opinion my esteemed former football coach/AD would have taken. A lot of people consider this old coach one of the best ever, and many of his former players refer to him as a father figure.
My old coach, we'll call him "Bo" would remain steadfast until the offending player came to him directly and apologized. Then the old coach would likely have marched that player into a conference room so he could apologize to the assistant coaches and AD. He'd also probably stand that player up in front of the current team and have him apologize to them.
Finally, in quintessential Bo fashion, he would stand by that player's side as he addressed the media and gave a public apololgy.
HOWEVER, I am confident this old coach would NOT do any that on game day, be it the 1997 Rose Bowl, the 2006 "Game", or the night of the National Championship for Basketball.
This isn't about the fab five attending. The issue is that Jalen is making their attendance into a big deal. It isn't ; it wouldn't be; it shouldn't be. They are not relevant to this team's accomplishments ; in fact, this team got where they are despite the fab five. But that's another story.
I would expect members of the fab five, and other successful teams to attend this and other games. Why wait until the Final? Why conjure media drama beforehand? Unnecessary. Irrelevant.
Come to the game. Wave to the camera when it's on you during a time out. Let the kids have their spotlight.
If everyone else of the Fab 5 are celebrating with the team after the game and Chris Webber has to stay away because of the 10-year ban.
You know when parents try to make a wedding all about them instead of the bride and groom? And it's really sad and annoying?
That's what this is. This isn't about the Fab Five, this is about the current team. If they had been around the program for years, I would have no problem with this. But since this would be a first time thing, they need to step out of the foreground.
That can do a lot more for M basketball than a reunion of the fab 5.
I believe in redemption and hope and believe Webber can become part of the M family again. However, his attendance at the game isn't going to fix anything that this year's team cannot fix with a win, other than some personal relationships.
Go Blue! Beat Louisville!
exactly what people were objecting to in the "Fab Five Reunion" thread yesterday. I love the Fab Five but this is not about them. Why is this the top story on my MSN browser right now. Jalen: come to the game and have fun, that is all you have to do. Enough with this stuff from him. I love Jalen but he is turning into an attention whore about this.
The Fab5 are absolutely not making it about them. Take what you feel about this run, as a fan, then multiply it by 100. That is what I imagine ex-players, who were so close to the finish feel. What did CWEbb tweet the other day? Something to the effect of "It's Your Time." Doesn't sound selfish to me. They have every right to be there, and I think it would be more of a snub if they weren't there.
Also, considering the parallels between the two teams, and the timing of the ban expiring and whatnot, how could you possibly be surprised it is a top story on MSN or any other news outlet?
Ask yourself this question. Why does he need to talk about whether they are going or now? Why can't he just go?
Jalen? He can totally just go, but there is no way around the hundreds of interview requests during this last week. Like it or not, it's a story.
Edit: From the bits I've read, it seems the Fab5 are doing a good job of deflecting the attention back to the team.
Four of the Fab Five will show up. That's still an Elite Eight's worth of talent.
But I could really care less if Webber is in the stands, and I am getting annoyed by Jalen pushing the issue. I love Jalen and think he's a decent (Decent..not great) ambassador for our University, but I would prefer if the Fab Five not be a huge story tonight.
I care much more about guys like Zack Novak, Stu Douglass, Manny Harris, CJ Lee etc. being in the stands than I do Webber.
Either way it's about the 5+ guys on the court wearing maize tonight.
1st) It is Jalen's job to push the issue. It is what he gets paid to do. Especially being part of the group. I wonder if he would be employed in the same position if he had never been a part of the Fab 5.
2nd) The Fab Five is a huge story, at least for the media to focus on. Michigan hasn't been to Final Four since the Fab Five. If, in football, we were going to the national championship game, they would undoubtedly talk about the 1997 National Championship team at Michigan.
3rd) I don't care who is in the stands. If you don't want it to be a big deal that the Fab 5 is there, how can you let it matter if other past players are there.
4th) Correct, it is about THE TEAM. Everything else is just media hype, and expected.
Just an FYI, I'm guessing you meant "couldn't care less"
Be nice, early in the morning sometimes people are a little careless
I'd much rather have Glen Rice and Terry Mills there for their good luck than the Fab Five. Rumeal Robinson teaching the kids Free Throw pointers in the shoot around.
Rumeal is doing 5-6 right now.
But I get what you mean and agree. A story came out a couple of weeks ago he is watching from prison.
It's not that he's in prison, it's what he's there for and what he did to his own mother. Unforgiveable.
But Glen Rice, hells yes. He should totally get his sweet-shootin', Sarah Palin-banging, epic tourney MVP self over to the game.
Thanks to Mgoblog for perpetuating this initiative into my head. I had a dream last night that I facilitated the reunion by hanging out w/ Webber the day of the game. We were supposed to meet the other 4 at Blimpie Burger (maybe they opened an ATL location??), but their delayed schedule led to the reunion at the court.
No way.Time to focus on the new kids.
Whether you're for or against a Fab Five reunion, let me just say: if I'm a kid on the current team and I hear there's a chance that one of the greatest Michigan basketball teams of all time will be there congratulating us when we win... well, I'm gonna be pretty damn excited, controversy or no.
Stay home, C-Webb.
Are you trying to say Webber is not a gentleman? Blasphemy! He is a gentleman and a scholar..
..and kinda seems like an egotistical jerk. But he's a grown man and makes his own decisions. If he doesn't want to support his teams( fab 5 and the current team) on the biggest stage they've been on since he was at Michigan, then so be it. We still have the other 4 who will support them and the school forever, along with millions of other loyal fans, alumni, etc. Go Blue. Beat Louisville.
He doesn't have to say a word to anyone...just enjoy the game with your friends, congratulate the team after the game and get in your car and drive home.
You're CHRIS WEBBER. You can get in and out of an arena without talking to media. Hell you ARE media!
It doesn't matter whether or not he goes. And it doesn't matter what you or I or anyone else thinks about the issue.
I do believe that Webber is kind of in a no win situation. He upsets some by being there, and others by not. He himself has acknowledged this is not his day, but the current team's day in the sun.
The best option, in my mind, would be for him to come, sit with his friends, enjoy the game, cheer on the team, and answer every single question with "Today is all about Michigan's victory . . . not about me. Comments on myself can wait until another time. Let's all just enjoy their great win."
When Rumeal Robinson would be mentioned in a better light than C-Webb. You guys can be complete hypocrites and unreasonable at times. Rumeal is a complete dirtbag of a human being and should be disassociated with Michigan forever for what he did to his mother alone. Not to mention his other transgressions...
I am not sure that it will be much more than a distraction. They seem to be doing quite well without needing any special appearances around and then of course the comparisons if the worst happens.
Personally, I'm looking forward to the sanctimonious crap Jim Nantz will spew the moment they show the four or five of them on TV. Still boggles the mind that CBS gives their worst CBB play by play guy the final four.
Separate question: Will Coach Fisher be there? I know he's no longer associated with Michigan (he's the Head Coach at San Dieg State) but it would be cool if the whole gang was there!
so I would have to assume he'll be there again tonight
I find it impressive that 20 years later Jalen is STILL the leader of this group. He's running the point on media exposure, travel schedules and tickets for all five guys. Leader and Best
Terry Mills is quietly getting as many 1989 guys as he can to get to the game. I don't see him on TV begging for Sean Higgins to show up, or publicly lobbying for Demetrius Calip's attendance. And those guys all have rings!
The Fab Five needs to realize this isn't all about them. This isn't their moment. This isn't their spotlight. Jalen has had a consistent problem coming to terms with that over the last decade. When you don't have rings to cling to, when the only banners you put up can't hang anymore because of one of your own, I guess the next best thing is clamoring for attention and waxing poetic about your "legacy" and "impact on culture."
There are 12 guys on this team trying to win a championship tonight. A coach who has waited his whole lifetime for this moment. A program that is finally free of the shit the Ed Martin scandal brought on this program. And we're worried about if Chris Webber is going to show up?
Why do we need this distraction?
Well put. I find this whole PR stunt to be in incredibly poor taste, and have lost quite a bit of respect for Mr. Rose because of it-- and am quite disappointed in many of our fans, as well, for taking the bait.
After M beat UF, a friend texted me right away, wondering if C Webb would show up at the Final Four. Honestly, i wanted to punch him. How freaking...
The key thing is when you say "why do WE need this distraction"
Who says this would distract the team? The only ones that seem distracted are fans, who, last time time I checked, aren't playing in the game.
Just my two cents
I would rather see CBS focus on Chris Webber's return than the Kevin Ware's broken leg, Louisville motivation thing!
Webber is not going to show so it doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter either way
Who cares if Webber goes or not, and this whole Fab5 is getting old now days, in 10yrs they gona be talking about Trey Burkes team and their crazy journey to the final game not Fab5....so if they show up good for them, will put the kiss cam on them and see if they will kiss.. Yes those guys made a difference but come on this is getting redicoulous talking about them when the current team has some crazy talent
I can live with four out of the five. Next time.
Serious question here guys, help me understand. Is there any particular reason why you choose to celebrate a team who didn't win it all and was involved in some pay to play type stuff over a team that actually won it all?
I am not knocking or criticizing. I just think it is odd that it happens to be this way.
Here's the thing about all the showboating, arrogance,and self-puffery that helped define the fab five: it works.
For one it wasn't the whole team that committed the violation, just webber. The fab five changed the college game forever. There's a lot of people still on the fence about this. Im all for them showing up tonight and any answers to any questions should be about tonight's team.
Jalen took money, he just did not lie to the grand jury about it.
But once again, WHY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THIS!? Why am I talking about this? I so bad did not want this to become about the Fab Five.
I am conflicted about this issue, if it really is one. I loved the Fab Five when they were at Michigan. But in the aftermath of their careers here the tarnish wore off a bit. It would be nice to see all 5 of them there but more important is to see some of the players from the "lean" years early in Beilein's tenure or even those that played under Tommy Amaker. Those are the guys who were most affected by the actions of at least some of the Fab Five.
Even better what about the guys from the 1989 championship team? Those guys won the only NC we have. They've been there when they weren't expected to be, much like UM this season. We were written off as being the biggest upset prediction for the 1st round and the 2nd round. After that we were supposed to lose every round as the other team was supposed to be the better team. I'd rather see Glen Rice, Rumeal Robinson, Terry Mills, etc than the Fab Five who played in a game they were expected to but with all that talent just couldn't win it all.
Just one fan's opinion.
If this year's team wants them there then im all for it.
Chris Webber almost single-handedly ruined our program. It took how many years to get to this point? Why the worship? And why is it okay for our fans to love him but look down on OSU for welcoming Tressel back to campus? I hope he stays home and stays quiet. This isn't about him.
a seasoned coach who knew exactly what he was doing by covering up all his dirt. He was a grown man who had everyone tricked.
Chris was a 19/20 year old kid!!! Who fucked up and made some poor choices. Unless you walk on water you shouldn't judge either of them however it's been enough time for everyone to move on.
It's not like OSU who waited all of what not even 2 years
We are gonna win!!!