Jackhammer or wet noodle Coach?

Submitted by wolverinebutt on

This relates to the JH interview and the talk of his personality. I played football for 10 years. Youth ball to three years of D2 ball. I had a lot of head Coaches because of the poor high school program I played in. I know this board has former D1 players, high school ballers, etc. What kind of Coach did you prefer or what is your preferred style? I had two jackhammer style Coaches and they were by far the best and I liked them the most. I would still suit up at 57 years old for and play for those men on my one good knee. Alex Boone is full of BS. Bring on the jackhammer and the winning begins.

This is my second thread ever - I'll not joke(wet noodle) and choose better terms next time.  Not the best thread, but a little fun and the jackhammer girl is 5 star talent.     

LesMilesismyhero

April 23rd, 2015 at 4:48 PM ^

Bill Walsh type who doesn't have to be an jerk just for the sake of being a jerk.  Plays within the rules but outside the status quo to give his team in the best chance to win.  It is not just about how much he knows, but also about how much he is able to get his team to understand and execute.

Richard75

April 23rd, 2015 at 7:05 PM ^

Walsh was an incredible perfectionist. He micromanaged everything, down to personally interviewing the secretaries. People like that aren't the easiest to be around.

Successful coaches are often considered jerks because they demand a lot of everyone around them. But that's how they win. It's not just being a super genius; there are plenty of smart people out there.



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BlueinLansing

April 23rd, 2015 at 4:48 PM ^

to make players want to play hard for them.  There are many ways to do thta, tapping into the 18-21 year olds inner fire is much easier when you show passion for what you are teaching.

wolverinebutt

April 23rd, 2015 at 5:13 PM ^

The "or wet noodle" part was a bit of a joke guys.  Excuse the poor joke.

I found the Teachers or Coaches I respected most always seemed to be the ones that pushed me.  

Not to beat up on Coach Hoke, but I didn't recognize it at first because the first year was so wonderful.  He looked weaker and weaker during his years.  Great guy, but we needed more fire.  

PurpleStuff

April 23rd, 2015 at 5:34 PM ^

He seemed to struggle with the pressure of dealing with an increasingly hostile media/fanbase as the losses piled up, but his coaching didn't get weaker.  Jake Ryan wasn't slacking off because Hoke didn't push him, he was playing fantastic football whether the team was winning or losing. 

The roster got weaker, not the coaching, primarily on offense.  Molk, Lewan, Omameh, and Schofield (award winners and NFL guys) were not replaced by players who were as good as they were.  The running game never found anybody as good as Denard or Fitz (two 1,000 yard rushers now in the NFL).  At WR, his first team had Hemingway (NFL player), Gallon (single season record breaker), Roundtree (3rd leading receiver in the B1G as a sophomore, huge catches against ND, OSU, Northwestern, etc.), not to mention a pretty good TE in Koger.  That is a much different set of weapons than last year when Funchess drew all of the D's attention and no one else was capable of making any big plays.

Hoke's failure wasn't in being too nice, but in failing to recruit offensive players that were as good as the ones he inherited.

gotohail

April 23rd, 2015 at 5:15 PM ^

I had both. What I liked the best was the hard ass head coach and the more laid back assistants. Best of both worlds. Obviously you don't want someone who won't help you improve regardless which style you like.

Vote_Crisler_1937

April 23rd, 2015 at 5:18 PM ^

I liked the coach who I could trust to be right. I don't care how you deliver the message to me. If you are right about what needs to be done and how to do it then I'm all in. I haven't heard Beilein described as a jackhammer but the guy knows what he's talking about when his players are saying "give him enough time to prepare and he will beat anyone".



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xtramelanin

April 23rd, 2015 at 5:44 PM ^

hockey coach, starting back in 1980, john giordano.  he treated us like crap and thought he was a tough guy.  he wanted to be the next herb brooks, ala 'miracle on ice'.  you might remember that the 1980 olympic team started out hating brooks, but of course by the time they got to the olympics they would've walked through fire for him.  giordano never got past the 'hating him' part.

we had a very talented hockey team (excepting me), particularly my freshmen year.  but our record sure didn't reflect that.   literally the only coach my whole life that i disliked in any significant degree.   he got canned at the end of my senior year, which was 4 years too late. 

mwolverine1

April 23rd, 2015 at 5:45 PM ^

In my experience, jackhammer coaches tended to perpetuate stereotypes, particularly relating to race. As the only member of my race in my chosen sport (lacrosse), I found that the jackhammers were more likely to draw attention to race. In general I think that jackhammers do more to create a culture...whether that culture is good or bad depends on the character of the coach.

UMgradMSUdad

April 23rd, 2015 at 5:48 PM ^

Either/or fallacy. My best coach (track--not football) was definitely not a jack hammer. He was laid back but was a great motivator. The croocross country coach was a jack hammer type and not nearly as successful.

Wendyk5

April 23rd, 2015 at 8:14 PM ^

Watching my kids' coaches over the years, I would say the best one was tough, yelled on occasion but used every mistake to teach, and not shame. He also had a great way of finding something positive to focus on, like telling my son that while he was pulling him off the mound because he had pitched himself into a bases loaded with one out situation, he had struck out the best hitter on the team. Why undermine someone you depend on for performance?